13 Demerit Points in 2025

LBigfellaborham on 21/04/2025 - 19:19
Last edited 23/04/2025 - 16:28

Thirteen demerit points in NSW is increasingly unfair in today’s context, where speed cameras are virtually on every corner. With such dense camera coverage, even minor, unintentional infractions—like being slightly over the limit for a few seconds—are heavily penalised. This creates a system that punishes frequency over severity and disproportionately impacts safe drivers who make occasional human errors. The system should reflect intent and danger, not revenue-raising through constant surveillance.

On top of that, the amount of police who just park with their radar gun at a spot where the speed limit randomly changes from 80 to 50 to catch people who don’t reduce speed on the spot, which seems more dangerous. Oh and let’s no forget those speed traps they setup in areas where the speed limit changes dramatically all of a sudden. Just saving lives, I guess.

EDIT: interesting feedback. The general consensus among our friends is that everyone is cruising around with about 10 demerit points from picking up the kids and driving to work. All professionals with families holding down good jobs. The OzBargain feedback seems to be tough bickies, you criminal.

EDIT 2: interesting cross section of society we have here on the OzBargain forum. Never met real life people that act so righteous. Curious to know if you’re just like this online or if in real life someone says ‘oh 13 demerit points doesn’t seem like much considering there’s speed cameras on every second block’ and then in real life you guys just launch into a big ol spiel about being the best driver in the world.

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Comments

  • SBOB on 21/04/2025 - 22:07
    +1

    Thirteen demerit points in NSW is increasingly unfair in today’s context

    So, what fine did you get this long weekend?

  • AustriaBargain on 21/04/2025 - 22:14
    +1

    You could just not speed? Traffic cops had this one simple trick!

  • mskeggs on 21/04/2025 - 22:19

    Could you try and sit 5km/h under the speed limit?
    Plenty go slower than that on double demerit weekends.
    I’ve only ever been caught speeding when I have been travelling over the limit, so now I routinely drive at or below the limit.

    I have other life hacks if this one is of interest.

  • Euphemistic on 21/04/2025 - 22:20

    The points are an important addition to the fine system. If there were no points, fines would disproportionately affect less well off people. For someone with a lot of free cash a few hundred for a fine is a non issue and theyll keep reoffending.

    Was guilty of copping a few fines in my younger days. An occasional 15over ticket was wortb it when doing bulk country kms. Over time I learned its voluntary, and aside from one brain fart recently, have not contributed to stafe revenue or gained points for 20y.

    Not getting speeding fines is perfectly achievable.

  • Parentheses on 21/04/2025 - 22:21
    +1

    who don’t reduce speed on the spot, which seems more dangerous

    This says you and your friends have the mindset of 'must go the absolute speed limit all the time'. You don't have to reduce your speed on the spot when it changes from 80 to 50. You have to change it before the spot. And yeah, that means going 70 and then 60 even though the speed limit there is still 80, so you cross that 50 sign going 50. It's a 'you must be doing 50 now' sign, not a 'start slowing down to 50 now' sign.

    I've managed to get a whole 0 demerits in the last 10 years, because it's so freakin easy to not speed. Unless you feel like your peepee shrinks when someone overtakes you and so you have to go faster I suppose. Driving from Sydney to Melbourne going 108 instead of 110 adds less than 10 minutes to the entire 8 hour trip, but I don't have to act like some twitchy methhead looking at the speedo every 3 seconds while I'm doing it. People who rack up demerit points earned them - hopefully you try and learn from yours.

  • pegaxs on 21/04/2025 - 22:35
    +1

    lol, cry harder… surprised you didn’t break out that old “rEvEnUe rAiSiNg” nugget.

    Speeding fines are a toll on stupid, dangerous and inattentive people and if your friends are all driving around with 10 or more points, may I suggest they either re-sit their license or take up some driver education lessons… or, you know, stop driving like cunce.

    On a side note… all these “friends” of yours… don’t happen to also drive Rangers as well, do they?

    • randomusername2017 on 21/04/2025 - 22:59

      rEvEnUe rAiSiNg

      Collusion with big insurance.. CTP quote nearly triples with 13 demerit points.

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 21/04/2025 - 23:08
      +1

      Was waiting for a Ford Rager reference.

  • Wiadro on 21/04/2025 - 22:36

    lol i have 14 points coz old professional driver, i reckon people should have less points

  • CaptainJack on 21/04/2025 - 22:42
    +13

    Honestly, this is the worst place to post such a topic, way too many people here get a lot of pleasure in other's misfortune, probably because they don't have much else going on in life.

    The driving standards in Australia in (profanity) abysmal, and there's no incentive for people to get better because we're too busy fining people for going 5 kmph over, rather than policing the truly dangerous shit like not indicating when changing lanes/turning, not doing head checks, using mobile phones and so on. I see this shit every day and frankly it scares me.

    Not to mention all the other incompetent shit like not pulling over to let faster drivers through, staying in the right lane of the freeway when not overtaking, and so on.

    Now if you're going more than 15kmph over the limit, or regularly getting fined, that's on you. But for an occasional slip up, yes the punishment far outweighs the 'crime'.

    • burningrage on 21/04/2025 - 22:47
      +6

      I was going to say don't post such things at Ozbargain. You will be laughed at (and to be honest, I know how you feel but this is just the wrong forum for this sort of thing).

    • johnno07 on 21/04/2025 - 23:38

      Now if you're going more than 15kmph over the limit, or regularly getting fined, that's on you. But for an occasional slip up, yes the punishment far outweighs the 'crime'.

      How you would enforce "14km over the limit is fine, but 15km is not"?

      • CaptainJack on 22/04/2025 - 04:49
        +3

        Do you mean how would I punish it? Lower fines for minor slip ups.

        Here in Victoria we give a $250 fine for being more than the 2-3 kmph tolerance over the limit. Way too high.

        I'd also tell the police to focus less on speed and more on bad driving. In Europe I saw this.

    • justworld on 22/04/2025 - 00:32
      +8

      I don't agree with OP, but I agree with you that our punishment for minor offences (speeding <15km/h) is disproportionately high while we completely fail to police other things (tailgating, staying in the overtaking lane when not overtaking) which are just as dangerous.

      It's also ridiculous that you can cause an at-fault accident which injures another person and you get nothing more than a fine, with no demerit points. That is clearly worse than minor or even moderate speeding.

      You should lose your licence if you have, say, 3 at-fault accidents in 5 years or less. You should get demerit points for at-fault accidents. It's ridiculous that when it comes to speeding or drink-driving, we rightfully accept that driving is a privilege, but then you get stupid people causing property damage and personal injury from their bad driving and we just let them go. We don't even force them to take out third-party property insurance, meaning dumb people cause the rest of the insurance pool to have to ensure their risk.

    • ozfool on 22/04/2025 - 10:50

      I agree that 5-10% over shouldn't be penalised too harshly, and it'd be good if other dangerous behaviours like tailgating and failure to indicate could be frequently punished, but I am glad that speeding gets tagged frequently.

      Frequent, expectable punishments are better for influencing behaviours, and are generally fairer, than speeding like a demon for a whole decade and getting fined once if a cop is having a bad day.

    • Baghern on 26/04/2025 - 19:41

      or regularly getting fined

      Which is what the Op is…

      how many people do you know who has 13 points or even lost their license for having too many points… my self I know no one

      I havent had a point in 3 years and I live near the heaviest fine road in Sydney

  • cashless on 21/04/2025 - 22:53

    So you’re one of those assholes I see on my daily commute? Congratulations on your high score

  • THICKnSLOW on 21/04/2025 - 23:13

    The more crappy drivers use public transport instead, the better.

  • JimmyF on 21/04/2025 - 23:24
    +4

    With such dense camera coverage, even minor, unintentional infractions—like being slightly over the limit for a few seconds—are heavily penalised

    Fun fact, the posted speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed limit you can go, not the recommended.

    Maybe try aiming for 5kms under this and you'll be fine.

  • Bammers on 21/04/2025 - 23:25

    Wish there was a red light camera at every intersection. Sydney drivers seem to think that RED = GO these days.

    • jmsu on 22/04/2025 - 18:30

      Wait do you want people to go, or to stop? Genuine question, not sure how to interpret your comment

  • payless69 on 21/04/2025 - 23:58

    Sydney busses have an around a 1 in 4 chance of a broken card reader.
    Respect to its drivers who still somehow find the way around them ever increasing potholes.
    Mate! Change your name to Sing and drive under extended privacy…..

  • hobo123 on 22/04/2025 - 00:11
    +1

    If 5km/hr is a negligible amount then why don't you try to drive 5km/hr under the speed limit then?

    It's also called a speed LIMIT. Look up what the definition of 'limit' is.

  • justworld on 22/04/2025 - 00:29
    +2

    I agree it's easy to momentarily go a few km over the limit, but there are tolerances for this and even if you get fined, for <10km/h it's only 1 demerit point which is trivial. And at least in VIC if you haven't had an offence in the last 2 years you get it downgraded to a caution and 0 points.

    If you are regularly caught speeding 11-20km/h over the limit you need to drive better. It is not that hard to avoid. Once you factor in the tolerance and the fact that car speedos are ALWAYS 2km/h or more above the actual speed limit, you would need to be driving an indicated 15km/h over the limit to lose more than 1 demerit point and that's not a minor matter.

  • Save 50 Cent on 22/04/2025 - 01:05
    +2

    Just use Waze mate. Saved me heaps of times from going 5 to 10 over when there is a sneaky cop at the bottom of the hill or when speed limit changes and I miss the sign.
    I set up a shortcut on my iphone (probably something similar on android?) to just launch Waze when my phone is connected to Carplay.

    On a side note, it is amazing how 99% of people on ozbargain forums are perfect human beings..

    • Maq on 22/04/2025 - 13:54

      Yep, lots of righteous people here who always drive perfectly and expect the same from everyone else

  • moggyx on 22/04/2025 - 05:53

    You talk about the increase in monitoring, camera usage, etc but on the opposite side of the coin, you now have radar cruise control and apps like Waze to literally warn you about all the things you complain of.
    Some would say, you have more advantage now than since radar detectors were made illegal. Unfortunately, I think you need to take responsibility for your own actions and if you are not using Waze and cruise control to avoid getting booked, start using them.

  • ForkSnorter on 22/04/2025 - 06:53
    +1

    Been driving for 20 years without a speeding ticket. Always got to my destination in a timely fashion.

    • jmsu on 22/04/2025 - 18:34
      +1

      Nah that's impossible, with the number of speed cameras and cops anywhere, there's no way to get anywhere without speeding and copping a fine! /s

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:36
      -3

      Classic forksnorter.

  • smartazz104 on 22/04/2025 - 07:25
    +1

    With such dense camera coverage, even minor, unintentional infractions—like being slightly over the limit for a few seconds—are heavily penalised

    Slow down then.

  • tabitha731 on 22/04/2025 - 07:45
    +3

    it only took me 7 demerit points to realise that it was time to stop the casual speeding (thankfully slowly getting my point reduced).. if 13 demerit points isn't enough to deter you from losing more points.. then you really shouldn't be driving! you are the reason we have the demerit points system!

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:37
      -4

      Tabitha learnt. Was like me. Now like ozbargain herd.

  • jacross on 22/04/2025 - 07:49
    +1

    I think I lost some demerit points around thirteen years ago. I was between 10 and 20 over Nd got a fine. I assume I must have.

    That's the only time though. But I don't live in NSW.

    I'm not really sure what to tell you. You sound like a bad driver. This sounds like a troll. In any case, you should reflect upon the weight of those who stand against you and reevaluate your position.

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:38
      -1

      ‘The weight of those who stand against me’ you speak like this in real life 😳

      • jacross on 23/04/2025 - 20:35

        Yes. It's consistently poorly received but I'm not intelligent enough to communicate with a simpler clarity.

  • fredz0r on 22/04/2025 - 08:17

    Should be 5 less points if you drive a Ute or a BMW :p

  • Odin on 22/04/2025 - 08:29

    Should just be less fines and less focus on traffic.

    You know what I'd like to see enforced instead of speeding?

    Keep left unless overtaking

    Man Australian drivers suck at that

  • AdamFury on 22/04/2025 - 08:36
    +1

    15+ years of driving. Travel around 40,000ks a year these days. Still haven't lost any demerit points (NSW).

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:39
      -1

      Fury by name, not by driving style.

      • AdamFury on 23/04/2025 - 17:16

        Correct. Keep it off the roads!

  • roguescholar on 22/04/2025 - 08:37
    +1

    Well, if all of us on Ozbargain are professional… drivers… you get 14 points!

    NSW - Professional driver demerit points

    At least in NSW there's warnings before speed camera's, I'm pretty sure that some other states have hidden speed camera's, like REALLY HIDDEN, like sneaky camo at the bottom of the hill hidden.

    On top of that, the amount of police who just park with their radar gun at a spot where the speed limit randomly changes from 80 to 50 to catch people who don’t reduce speed on the spot, which seems more dangerous.

    That sounds to me like there are drivers out there who are oblivious of speed limits, or willingly choose to ignore them, that as a driving habit sounds more dangerous to me.
    Oh and speed limits are not randomly changed, there are reasons why that speed limit is chosen for that stretch of road.

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:40

      Rogue scholar doing his PhD on road speed zones. Onya rogey

  • gromit on 22/04/2025 - 08:37
    +3

    With speedo's over reporting speed, and the small leniency on the cameras nowadays, you have to be clearly exceeding the limit on your speedo before you get a ticket. If you are briefly ranging 10+km's over the limit by your speedo (what it generally takes) often enough to risk 13 demerits then you either have a driving ability issue or are intentionally pushing the limit.

    My mother still drives in excess of 50k a year and even she has not come close to losing her license and she has a bit of a lead foot sometimes.

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:40

      Gromit’s mum putting in the big hours

  • BHR on 22/04/2025 - 08:44
    +4

    25 years of driving, no infringements, no points, so can only assume you're driving like a lot of (profanity) I see on the road.

    If you're not seeing the speed signs, maybe get off your mobile phone.

    If you struggle to maintain speed, maybe try cruise control.

    It ain't that hard.

    • UltimateAI on 22/04/2025 - 10:42
      +1

      Actually good suggestion, I am always using cruise control. Only downside is Muppets see the gap and always jump in.

  • Lachy2437 on 22/04/2025 - 08:49
    +1

    I'd suggest driving more slowly. I drove too fast and got a bunch of fines in my late teens, early 20 including a licence suspension on my P's. I'm mid thirties now, always drive to the speed limit and haven't had a fine in almost a decade. The biggest positive is that I find driving a lot more enjoyable and relaxing not having to watch like a hawk for spped traps or police.

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:41

      True dat

    • ozfool on 24/04/2025 - 12:35

      Yeah honestly it's a shift in mentality. You can speed a little bit every day, always trying to get ahead of the pack, pop a vein everytime a granny does 10 km under in front of you, and complain about demerit points for the rest of your life. Or just relax, stop being in a rush all the time, and be fine hanging at the limit.

  • dylanando on 22/04/2025 - 09:01

    An observation based on my own observation. I find that many who do under the speed limit are the ones who are distracted. Either on their phone or talking to someone in their car.

    I’d much rather someone do 5km over the speed limit drive past me than a distracted driver around me.

  • MS Paint on 22/04/2025 - 09:07
    +4

    I put this down to OP having a complete lack of situational awareness while driving.

  • imurgod on 22/04/2025 - 09:14
    +3

    It's honestly not hard. I have had 1 low range speeding fine in my 33 years of driving and I drive high performance cars.

    Just get into the habit of driving relaxed, at a legal speed and think of others' safety on the road. People have families in their cars.

    It may have helped that I used to do trackwork here and there. Might've got my fix on the track.

  • ronnknee on 22/04/2025 - 09:14

    If you're not paying attention to speed camera warning signs, speed cameras or the police, then you're not paying attention to your surroundings. If they were hazards instead like cars reversing out or children about to dash out, then you would've missed them.

  • Juice-Wa on 22/04/2025 - 09:21

    We need to hurry up and bring in self-driving to get all the elderly, raptor drivers, drunks and every other idiot off our roads. People talk about moral trivialities of potential fatalities like human drivers aren't killing people with their cars every day (average of 3.5 people/day in Australia).

    The general consensus among our friends

    Also seems that these braindead liabilities tend to group together in a way that self-sustains their stupidity

  • Morphio25 on 22/04/2025 - 09:22
    +1

    Try not speeding and driving like a responsible adult. I honestly don't remember the last speeding fine I got but my best estimate says it was easily more than 10 years ago now.

  • prodrome on 22/04/2025 - 09:22
    -2

    The focus in every other first world country is dangerous driving, not revenue raising.

    The smug commenters here do very little driving and their inexperience, infrequent driving has led to an increase in accidents, not speed.

  • GordonD on 22/04/2025 - 09:24

    You can drive so badly you crash into another vehicle, and providing no-one is injured the police don't come so you aren't booked. And you can keep doing it. But if you commit a technical offence like speeding or picking up your phone you get the book thrown at you.

    I used to be in road safety, I was there at ground zero when a lot of the measures now in place were introduced, and the penalties do not correspond with the risk. The whole traffic law enforcement and penalty system has been distorted by the easy automated enforcement of some offences, whilst ignoring bad driving that results in crashes because that would require police time to deal with.

    Doing a lot over the speed limit is very risky, in some circumstances. But the research that said even a few km/h over the limit is risky, and is now used to punish large numbers of drivers was debunked, But the police and governments just ignore that, and point back at that original research. The tight enforcement of speed limits is not based on science and it is not fair. After their maths were corrected by someone who was better at it than them, the original researchers had to admit that about a 10% enforcement margin at all speeds would be fair.

    The science was done and it said drink driving becomes risky at .10, so the researchers said it was prudent to set the limit a little lower at .08. Then along came the politicians and set it at .05, with huge life-changing penalties, not because drivers in the .05-.08 range are much risk, but to make people scared to drink anything then drive. So large numbers of drivers are being seriously penalised for something that is in fact low risk. Small penalties, would be fair for .05-.08, rapidly escalating over that to very serious penalties for over .10 would be fair.

    And don't get me started on phone use detection cameras. Maybe it should be enforced, but the penalties for that are just pure unadulterated revenue raising.

    • gromit on 22/04/2025 - 09:39

      Soooo all the studies that show even .05 doubles your chance of an accident and .07 drivers are severely impaired is all wrong? including some of the most recent studies like those from monash University. Perhaps you would like to cite this research that says it isn't till .1 that it becomes risky.

      • GordonD on 22/04/2025 - 10:23
        -2

        and .07 drivers are severely impaired

        I was there when a colleague in road safety went through all the road deaths over the previous number of years, and could not find a single one where the primary cause was a driver who was under .10. He challenged the people who were pushing for a lower limit to. They couldn't either. The .10 limit was openly promoted in the road safety community to scare people into not drinking at all if they were going to drive. Which may have been an effective strategy but its not fair on people who aren't much of a risk.

        And a doubling of risk is nothing. There's a huge range of risk even just across cars and sexes and ages and a whole lot of factors. You more than double your risk by driving when you are late, or after you've had an argument, or after you've been stuck in traffic.

        • gromit on 22/04/2025 - 10:29
          +1

          So your science isn't science but anecodal lol

          • GordonD on 22/04/2025 - 10:37

            @gromit: I think the term used in things like emissions is "real world".

            • gromit on 22/04/2025 - 10:45
              +1

              @GordonD:

              The science was done and it said drink driving becomes risky at .10

              your statement claimed the science was done. So I gather you now admit that was just a convenient lie?

              • GordonD on 22/04/2025 - 10:52
                -1

                @gromit: The science and the look at the real world that said no road deaths could be found resulting from a BAC below .10 confirmed each other.

                • gromit on 22/04/2025 - 10:53
                  +1

                  @GordonD: https://www.nrspp.org.au/resources/fact-sheet-drink-driving/
                  https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/drink-driving-statis…
                  https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

                  really sounds like you were there when they had very poor data to back up their decision and likewise you had no data to support your hypothesis. however science and data collection completely disagree with your view now and NO doubling the risk is not a small amount.

                • Muppet Detector on 23/04/2025 - 09:58

                  @GordonD: Perhaps there were no deaths identified where there was a BAL under .01, but how many accidents occurred where the driver's BAL was under .10?

                  How many deaths or accidents occurred where the BAL was under .01, but the interaction of prescription drugs with any amount of alcohol resulted in the impairment that caused the incident?

                  IMO, there should be a zero tolerance of alcohol for anybody who is operating a piece of heavy equipment.

                  It's one thing we can measure, monitor and control out of all the other contributing factors and substances that when combined with any amount of alcohol can impair a person's ability to be in control of a piece of heavy equipment.

                  Interestingly, the BAL laws also apply to persons riding horses and bicycles.

      • prodrome on 23/04/2025 - 04:53
        -1

        The studies all say 0.1. No idea what shill said anything less.

        • gromit on 23/04/2025 - 08:17
          +1

          Then go ahead and cite them or are you just like Gordon where your "studies" consist of what a mate told you back in the 70's.

          • prodrome on 23/04/2025 - 11:17
            -1

            @gromit: You're the one disputing reality.

            • gromit on 23/04/2025 - 11:43

              @prodrome: I am sure it is reality in your mind. thankfully the real world doesn't work that way.

    • Protractor on 22/04/2025 - 09:54
      +3

      If your driving is anywhere close to your attitude, you're a high risk driver.

      • GordonD on 22/04/2025 - 10:31
        -2

        Haven't been booked for anything for 35 years. Never had an at-fault insurance claim. How about you?

        My attitude is that its fair to punish people who are guilty of something that isn't just trivial. But its not an acceptable policy to punish people severely for trivial offences or to create innocent victims to deter other people from committing serious ones. Unfortunately in Australia our colonial origins seem to have resulted in a certain attitude on these things.

        • Protractor on 22/04/2025 - 10:51
          +1

          So far I've managed to dodge the stupidity you seem to endorse and stay alive,fine and demerit free,no prangs ( bar the odd kiss of the odd roos tail) , and not once have I had to scream past a single vehicle (like a moron) to safely overtake. This "as fast as you can" pass manoeuvre is a common angry white male talk back radio crock of shite.
          Look at the re-runs of highway patrol (TV show) for the DH the cops pinged for your classy act. It's a laugh a minute as this guy even fakes a call to his lawyer.(after the usual 35 excuses why he's the good guy, and the guy he passed is the real danger).

  • DingoBilly on 22/04/2025 - 09:35
    +2

    I don't know, I drive pretty regularly and haven't been fined in decades.

    It's not hard if you don't drive over the speed limit.

    To be honest, I wish they policed speeding more sometimes. I see plenty of idiots driving recklessly on freeways/highways daily.

    • UltimateAI on 22/04/2025 - 10:28

      Agree, it is the LIMIT and they already bake in tolerances for older cars. So if your over in a modern car, well no excuse really.

  • Protractor on 22/04/2025 - 09:52
    +1

    The age of victim-hood continues apace.

  • Hirolol on 22/04/2025 - 10:02

    yes, cameras are for revenue raising, we all know it and 5km/h over the limit is most likely not going to cause too many issues.
    if they seriously wanted to do something about it they should have more police on the road catching people in the act, no point sending something in the mail 2 weeks after it happened.

    anyway, if you are racking up too much points might want to just slow down in your BMW.
    don't try to buy points from elderly neighbors because that's illegal.

    • justgooddeals on 22/04/2025 - 16:49

      Elderly neighbours won’t sell them to you. Backpackers however ;-)

  • churningNburning on 22/04/2025 - 10:06

    :D

  • 91rs on 22/04/2025 - 10:12

    I mean if you're a bad driver just say that bro.
    5kms is unlikely to be your undoing, even in VIC they give you a couple km credit and say you have to be 3kph over the limit after the 2kph credit before you get done usually.
    I'm guessing it more getting done for red lights that might be your issue?
    The standard of driving has dramatically dropped around Australia though, VIC I still believe is the worst, all those lockdowns with only tradies on the road driving around like they're in some third world country (or home) and then when everyone came back it just turned the roads in to battle grounds, especially with the influxes of people from places that have terrible roads and driving skills anyway.

    • Bigfellaborham on 23/04/2025 - 16:46
      -1

      Little study going on here 🤓

  • jugsy on 22/04/2025 - 10:15
    +1

    Fun fact, when speed limit is reducing, you need to hit the lower speed before you hit the sign.

    • Muppet Detector on 23/04/2025 - 10:02

      Because it's never recommended to hit the sign.

  • tikei on 22/04/2025 - 10:21

    If it really is a momentary mistake that occurs rarely then you can ask for leniency and it'll be waived. Both of mine had been waived.

  • UltimateAI on 22/04/2025 - 10:22
    -1

    Mixed feelings, right now it's clear revenue raising.
    I've been daily driving almost 30 years and until recently never lost a point. In this recent incident I wasn't the one actually driving, took it on behalf of my L-Plate daughter.

    Under my poor guidance\direction, for less than 5 meters, partially went into a bus lane, then returned back. Poor timing as a camera got her. I told her too early that we were turning left ahead.

    So I think the system is rigged, and only the honest ones play the fines. In other groups with certain demographics who never pay the fines, no license, no rego.
    When the law catches up they get charged, go to court and the judge reverses the fines on some BS excuse. Two tier courts, that's the real issue.

    I may be hated here, but I do get beeped a bit, because I view the speed LIMIT as the "LIMIT" and hence drive a few km/h below.
    I drive long distances, and driving 10% faster does NOT save you time, just creates stress, adrenalin, increases fuel \ tyre wear.
    We all need to slow down, and that's not just our driving speed but the pace of life.

  • mreddie on 22/04/2025 - 10:30
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    Stop speeding champ

    • Protractor on 22/04/2025 - 11:02
      +2

      Easy tiger. The last time I used the word champ I was howled down by a hyper sensitive type( they are on WPool too) , that such a word emasculated him. When I rebuked the connotation, the ensuing response had me side lined.Go figure.
      Apparently the word has been redefined by the 'young and the restless' generation, who frequent the gym with their selfy sticks gripped firmly in hand.

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