I think its great price for 10kwh battery.
Prevous deal was offered by Voltx in NSW which is now expired https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/860904
Anyone from NSW wanna share their usage experience on this battery.
Thinking of installing one
Yes. Its approved by CEC.The link is here https://cleanenergycouncil.org.au/industry-programs/products…
Nope. Rebate is for an installed and connected battery, not just buying the hardware.
I'm not sure if buying this and finding your own accredited sparky would be enough - even if they could, a sparky might not take the job and pass on the rebate.
thats what I was gonna ask. I think the only approved installer can apply for the rebate.
Terrible idea. Don't cheap out. I wouldn't touch any product not listed here: https://www.solarquotes.com.au/battery-storage/comparison-ta…
Why? Huawei arent on that list but their batteries are better than some listed ones.
Local support for warranty? Supported by VPPs? Will you spend the money on a good installer who takes pride in installing it safely if you're already cheaping out on the product itself? Gonna find an accredited sparky who even wants to touch a brand they're not installing every other day?
There's literally 0 mention of warranty on the Kogan page.
Would not go any where near it.
Teh battery covers everything you asked. I'm installing 2x of those under the new scheme. Just choose a good installer.
I was talking about Huawei which isnt on the list. Plenty of good brands not mentioned there.
@iMagoo: That list doesnt mention this and only lists it working with the istore inverter. That being said it does appear to be a rebadged Huawei . There are also batteries on the list that dont make their recommend list?
I'd much rather deal with Huawei direct than istore thats for sure.
@Spendmore: Except they are on the list, which is now moot anyway as they've transitioned to the OEM for iStore. And i'd rather deal with iStore any day of the week. You can get a reply from a real person or just go down in person and talk to someone.
@liam2040: No mention of Huawei on the list. The list is crap. As for istore they have some guy on FB who rubbishes the opposition at the drop of a hat, I bet if I mentioned Huawei they would say their battery is better 🤣
@Spendmore: You can even choose Huawei on the filter list so i'm not sure where you're looking …
I've been hanging out for the new S1 gen battery but it's still going to be next year before they arrive, so i'm happy to go with the S0 but just starting to think about sigenergy as an alternative since they seem so damn popular right now.
@liam2040: Im must be looking at something different to you, the drop down just shows more istore options. Yeah sigenergy seems to have a lot of features for the price. I think they can take power from your EV and use it in the house. It is a saturated, confusing market thats for sure.
@Spendmore: iStore batteries (and I think inverters) ARE HUAWEI MODELS. They slap their own logo on it and sell it in Aus. iStore = Huawei product
Terrible idea. Don't cheap out. I wouldn't touch any product not listed here: https://www.solarquotes.com.au/battery-storage/comparison-ta…
Your website is biased and only includes products/brands they pay to be on the website.
How does SolarQuotes make money?
SolarQuotes makes money by charging the companies that are part of the SolarQuotes network (who have been heavily vetted by me personally) for referrals to website visitors like you.
Installers, not products.
The problem when people post without looking or reading.
https://www.solarquotes.com.au/battery-storage/reviews/bytew…
Read: OK on paper, feel free to roll the dice and let us know how you go - there's not enough feedback to recommend.
Good bit of kit and can add on extra batteries (to 5kW inverter). Under normal operation (100% to 5.2%) this does us all day until bed. Starting to fill the battery up at 8c rate before getting up in the morning to crank the aircon. Had it for about 9 months now, good install via VoltX and app works well both for functionality and monitoring.
Lithium batteries only have a limited number of charge-discharge cycles in them before they wear out and have to be replaced. If you are cycling it between 100% and 5.2% EVERY DAY its going to wear out so quickly that it will have cost you more to buy it than you will have saved by getting all your power at 8c/kWh.
Lithium is the wrong battery technology for that sort of (ab)use. You need a sodium battery with 10 times the life and a lower manufacturing cost, but not widely available yet, or a flow battery
CATL is saying they expect sodium batteries to be 50% of their business in the future. So there is hope.
Warranty on BYD home batteries is 10 years/7300 cycles. That covers 20 years at one cycle per day.
“Limited charges” and “wear out faster” is marketing scare tactics. LiFePo4 is fine. Other chemistries could be better, but show me 5 approved sodium based batteries I can buy today.
Battery chemistry and tech is getting interesting, but don’t hold off because lithium isn’t perfect.
@GordonD
Lithium batteries only have a limited number of charge-discharge cycles in them before they wear out and have to be replaced.
This number is in the thousands.
If you cycle the battery every single day for a decade, that's only 3650 cycles.
If you are cycling it between 100% and 5.2% EVERY DAY its going to wear out so quickly
By "so quickly" do you actually mean 15-20 years ? I don't class that as quickly at all - in fact, I'd be very happy if my battery still held 70% charge after 20 years 🤷
Does anyone know the battery size required to practically run a duct air conditioner (~10kw) for at least a few hours?
You literally need 10 kWh for every hour it's on full boar. 30 kWh is probably good for 3+ hours, but assuming a heat pump AC, they don't always run at peak.
At full power, a 10 kw unit will use up a 10kwh battery in an hour. You'd probably need a 20kw battery for 4 hours. I've been setting the unit to use the last hour (5am-6am) of the 8c rate, allowing me to use the ducted for about an hour at half power in the morning. Just remember the inverter size will limit the amount of power consumed from the battery and fed in to the battery.
Ok, so a couple of things. I had my ducted running this morning and can confirm an extra 3kw was added to my usage when it was on (it gets cold where I am). So yes, my maths was off. After charging for 1 hour before 6am, I was able to run the aircon (single phase) with the battery going from 50% to 20% when running it for just on 1 hour.
Secondly, this is an LFP battery and capable of running a cycle (full to 5.2%) with little battery degradation.
I recommend this
10kw is the cooling capacity that it can output it would use less than that but without knowing the efficiency and brand its hard to say. Once you work this out, say it is 6kw running on max then you can work out how long the battery will run it. Just be aware that some batteries cant output that kind of power and may have a figure of 3 or 5kw max output.
This is correct. For example, a ducted Mitsubishi "10kW" 1-phase uses 2.4kWh. You can also get "10kW" 3-phase models, which won't work with a single-phase inverter/solar-system. And if your air-con actually uses ~10kWh, you must have something like a "25kW" 3-phase (which still only uses 8kWh).
Look at the nameplate on the outside unit. Most likely it consumes about 3kw at full tilt. So, call it 10kwh battery required.
If your ducted aircon is 3 phase, they will eat up a lot of power. You want a proper 3 phase battery inverter and many batteries to run your 10kW AC. I know the AC doesn't run at full power all the time, but if it was running at 7kW average, then a 10kWh battery would power it for just over an hour. You need a lot of battery capacity to power a power hungry aircon.
3 phase are more efficient than a similar sized single phase unit. Or do you mean they are less efficient running through a single phase inverter?
If you look at the Mitsubishi models I linked previously, the 10kW and 14kW 3-phase models use a bit more power than 1p. And you can't run 3 phase off a single-phase-inverter, because it needs 3 phases, lol. Our electricity is 50Hz; so 1 phase is like "50 pushes per seconds", whilst 3 phase is like "150 pushes per second" - not "3 simultaneous pushes done 50 times".
And I don't know this for sure, but a 3 phase inverter is likely less efficient than a 1 phase, because there are effectively "3 inverters" (so there's 3x base-rate losses). But if you have big power draw needs, then spreading it out across 3 wires is easier than doing it all via 1.
This is not much of a deal, only a few months ago I inquired directly with Neovolt and they offered only $5600 for this package, including installation in nsw. Now with federal rebates of about $3500 for this size you'd expect this to be less than $3000 including installation. In fact there are installer now offering less than $6000 for 20kwh package (not Neovolt but Growatt) in NSW so better check for more quotes.
It is useless to buy just a battery and inverter. The installation is what makes it a successful install or a paperweight. And installers are likely not to touch a battery that a consumer sourced on their own as they will not sign off the paperwork needed for safety etc as they didn't source the hardware through official channels.
Don't bother mate, the mob think they've found a unicorn. Let them play roulette.
I bet there are a ton of people on here have a sparky in their family or who is a mate that would do it. Then you have the usual tradie that will do anything as long as they get paid, all they sign off on is the install not the product.
Can you get the upcoming battery rebate on top of this? Also Vic battery loan? It's expected to be $330/kWh, almost covers the cost (minus installation)
Edit: Has to be capable of joining to a virtual power plant, unsure if this one is?
It's compatible with at least one (Amber Energy)
https://help.amber.com.au/hc/en-us/articles/35473591066125-E…
Should likely be eligible then, I would wait for rebates. It would be an expected ~$3300 off
Yep. I have a deposit down on one of these, pending rebate specifics. Who knows if the govt is going to turn around and select particular models though, as opposed to the vague “vpp compatible” criteria.
I got one of these installed 3 months ago.
No complaints so farz i also got blackout protection for 1 circuit.
Im with Ovo Energy and set the battery to charge overnight for 8c then run off it until 11am and the set it to charge for free for 3 hours.
If I don't run my aircon the whole day is covered and the only time I pull from the grid and pay is to charge over night.
Could switch to one of the free 11am-2pm power plans and really make use of it, 10kWh should be enough for all use except for water heating lol
That's what I have, Ovo energy
It should charge in the 3 hours shouldn't it? 5kWh charger, 10kWh battery, 3 hours should be just enough
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can we get the rebate is we buy from Kogan?