Those Who Don't Drink Coffee or Trying to Stay Away from Coffee, What Hot Drinks Do You Buy outside?

meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:11
Last edited 22/06/2025 - 21:04

I'm an avid coffee drinker. I have like five different methods of brewing coffee at home.

Lately, I've been wanting to reduce caffeine intake due growing sensitivity towards coffee (maybe due to age). But I love the taste of coffee. I love it so much that I don't even drink it with milk. It's always long black, or various forms of filter coffee (pour over, percolator, syphon, cold brew, etc).

I have been noticing in the recent colder months that if I go out and want to buy a hot beverage on the go which has the same texture as a long black, I find there isn't much choice.

I can enjoy hot chocolate, but its too milky and filling so it won't be my first choice especially if I'm drinking it with food (sweet pastries for example).

At home, i have various options such as decaf coffee, chai, 'proper' tea (such as indonesian tea, pu-er tea or T2), ginger drinks, etc but outside, many cafes don't even have 'proper' tea. Like it's annoying that when you buy coffee you get it made by trained barista's but when you buy tea, you pay the same price for a tea bag!

It's kinda funny that maybe many years ago during a trip to China i was complaining about how there are too many places serving good tea but not enough places serving good coffee that sometimes all you had back then were Starbucks. Now, i'm complaining about the opposite in Australia (specifically Melbourne).

If you have other suggestion of hot drinks (that don't have sugar) to buy on the go to keep warm in the colder months, I'd also love to hear it!

Food & Grocery

Comments

Clear on 22/06/2025 - 20:12

Cereal coffee?
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:16
  
  where do you get them when outside? this sounds very niche even i havent even heard of them haha
  - Clear on 22/06/2025 - 20:27
    
    Yeah niche. Sometimes vegan/alternative cafes will have them.
    - Scrooge McDuck on 23/06/2025 - 01:20
      
      +1
      
      Roasted barley tea. It's called mugicha in Japanese. Can be purchased from most Asian grocery stores. I would carry just the bag with me, obtain a free cup of water from McDonald's before microwaving it in a Parent's Room and finally adding the tea bag.
      - Lastchancetosee on 23/06/2025 - 08:45
        
        @Scrooge McDuck: Genmai cha?
      - meong on 23/06/2025 - 09:42
        
        @Scrooge McDuck: yeah but that involves bringing something from home and i already do have options for that.
        
        not that im against the idea but sometimes i maybe unprepared or don't have a bag with me to carry stuffs like that.
  - jv on 22/06/2025 - 22:04
    
    +1
    
    where do you get them when outside? this sounds very niche
    
    https://www.coles.com.au/product/nestle-caro-extra-instant-b…
    - meong on 22/06/2025 - 22:12
      
      +1
      
      does it auto brew itself
      - jv on 22/06/2025 - 22:14
        
        +4
        
        @meong: I don't caro…
- jv on 22/06/2025 - 21:59
  
  +2
  
  Cereal coffee?
  
  🥣
  - Clear on 22/06/2025 - 22:11
    
    +5
    
    You know they'd probably be pretty good. Which one do you rate better? Magpie flakes or jv flakes?
    
    I hear it's part of jules verne's foods and I gotta say your new meat pies will go down well at the footy.
dtc on 22/06/2025 - 20:12

+5

Decaf coffee?
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:15
  
  do most cafes sell decafs?
  - Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:21
    
    +57
    
    No Decafes, do.
    - Muppet Detector on 22/06/2025 - 20:23
      
      Very good. I liked that one.
      
      You have a very quick, clever and witty mind.
      - Muppet Detector on 22/06/2025 - 20:32
        
        -7
        
        @Muppet Detector: Why did I get a neg for saying that? FFS!
        
        Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:40
        
        @Muppet Detector: Clearly someone who doesn't like me, and now you, (for complomenting? me).
        
        Or the OP negged you?
        Anywho FTFY +
        
        Muppet Detector on 22/06/2025 - 20:49
        
        @Protractor: Sometimes I get quite overwhelmed by some of your posts, but you always make up for that with these witty one liners and play on words you seem to have at the tip of your tongue.
        
        I wish I had that ability.
        
        Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:51
        
        +2
        
        @Muppet Detector: Drink more strong tea, grasshopper.
        
        meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:05
        
        +1
        
        @Protractor: oi, i upvoted the joke
        
        Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 21:09
        
        @meong: bless
        
        smartazz104 on 23/06/2025 - 12:03
        
        +1
        
        @Muppet Detector: Some people are just bitter.
  - Muppet Detector on 22/06/2025 - 20:21
    
    +4
    
    I haven't come across one that doesn't.
    - meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:31
      
      i dunno why i never asked… but ill be alternating to these moving forward, thanks!
      - Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:43
        
        @meong:
        
        i dunno why i never asked…
        
        Because that's step 2.
    - skittlebrau on 23/06/2025 - 16:52
      
      A lot of cafes I've been to don't grind decaf beans fresh, so you're getting pre-ground decaf coffee. It also probably doesn't have regular turnover from usage. I'd rather just order something else and have decaf at home.
  - dtc on 23/06/2025 - 11:00
    
    My wife only drinks decaf; there have been a small handful of places that dont do it but they are usually specialty / snobby coffee places. She says its often weak so going double shot decaf sound weird but thats her suggestion (although she has it with milk, which sensibly you do not).
    - Cheap Cheep on 23/06/2025 - 16:50
      
      That's like the opposite to the place I go to. The barista seems to be worried that it won't have flavour so he burns the hell out of it.
- zfind on 25/06/2025 - 12:28
  
  As an aficionado, you may not like the flavour change in decaf. In my experience it’s always noticeable and not for the better. Decaf offerings have definitely improved in recent years though and most now use the safer Swiss water or sugarcane methods.
  
  Weirdly enough I’ve found the moccona instant decaf most palatable.
  - johnno07 on 26/06/2025 - 00:11
    
    After doing a side by side decaf vs not decaf (same roaster, same bean), my takeaway was that any perceived difference in taste is mostly due to the beans/roasting rather than the lack of caffeine, or the decaffeination process. Not that decaffeination has no effect, just markedly less than the other factors. Not an expert and this is quite IMO, so take grain of salt/bean of coffee.
    - zfind on 26/06/2025 - 10:24
      
      Interesting, thanks for sharing. I wouldn’t mind doing the same as the taste difference is pretty stark to me but I haven’t done same bean / roast side by side. I’d have guessed it was the decaffing that did it.
      - johnno07 on 27/06/2025 - 08:29
        
        @zfind:
        
        I haven’t done same bean / roast side by side
        
        This is very hard to do. I've only ever once encountered this situation and it had to be manufactured at some fairly extreme level of organisation by James Hoffman: https://youtu.be/2t7Ba8Vr9HY?si=6iKqUH6QN5hYsTXA
        
        It was a really cool opportunity to do some blind tasting! To my palate I actually preferred the Ethyl Acetate method over Swiss Water - which I was pretty surprised about. Suffice to say, as a long time normal coffee drinker, there is some great decaf around but you need to find it!
Muppet Detector on 22/06/2025 - 20:20

+1

How much does a cup of hot water cost? If cheaper than ordering tea, just order the hot water and sneak in your own tea bag when nobody is watching.

If you like hot chocolate, but don't like the milk, just ask for it to be made using hot water instead of hot milk.

Witnessed people taking their own preferred beverages from home, transferring them into a baby's bottle and then asking the service staff to heat the baby bottle.

Not too many places charge to heat up a baby bottle, yet.
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:30
  
  i think this question is not a hack about bringing in your own drinks… if i'm bothered to bring something from home, i already have a lot more alternatives at home.
  
  this question is mainly for those situations that you are not prepared or don't have a bag to carry your stuffs from home, or some places where it may feel awkward to sneak in your own drinks.
  
  btw, i don't like most teas that come in tea bags. i usually buy loose leaves these days. i rate tea bags like instant coffees now so if i need to bring my own it's gotta be coming in my own cup that has built-in tea strainers (like Frank Green and many chinese tea travel cups).
  - Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:45
    
    Red Zinger tea
    - meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:03
      
      do they even sell them outside?
      - Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 21:07
        
        @meong: Probably in health food cafes at best. I think that's a teabag you could justify BYO and get the hot water (at some stupid price probably?)
        If you like a zingy refreshing, citrussy, tamarindy, rosehip taste now and then , these are the way. Try them at home. Maybe with a bit of honey in the early tastings to adapt the palate.
        
        meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:10
        
        @Protractor: ill get to that later… im on my pu'er tea streak now at home that a friend recently visited from hongkong and brought some from LockCha😁
  - AussieDaddy on 23/06/2025 - 12:30
    
    What are your favourite loose leaves tea? I searched specialty ones on Amazon in the past, as well as T2, and they're expensive, so I just buy Dilmah, Madura or Twinings loose leaf tea from Coleworths. Not the most flavorful, but better than teabags.
- Embaloo on 23/06/2025 - 21:39
  
  Great hacks!! The hot water requests got me through uni days.
Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:20

Coffee all day, psyllium husks all night?

Strong tea for me, please.
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:48
  
  i mean, at night i don't have issues as at home i have various alternatives…
  
  some places, such as when you don't have much options (rest stops at highways, etc) that when you ask for strong tea, they just give you 2 bags of lipton 😅
  - Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:50
    
    Yeah roadhouses aint my go to food source unless I'm desperate.If I was planning ahead maybe I'd take a thermos etc
    - meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:53
      
      where do they sell them outside? (not carrying them from home)
      - Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:53
        
        @meong: wut?
        
        meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:23
        
        @Protractor: i forgot i think i was replying to the wrong comment
Hybroid on 22/06/2025 - 20:45

+3

Some of us don't drink anything hot at all. It's just a matter of getting used to it.

Loads of energy drinks though. Sugar-free, but still far too much that I should.
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:48
  
  +2
  
  yeah, but energy drinks mean i will have to deal with the caffeine sensitivity again…
  
  of course, if i can get used to anything really the best one is water…
- Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:49
  
  -2
  
  Half the coffee culture is like the whole influencer culture. Born of 'trendy'. Sheepism.
  Imagine the terror if coffee tripled in price overnight. Peoples heads would explode.
  - meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:52
    
    well, i grew up on coffee culture, born and raised in a country which was one of the top 10 coffee exporter in the world… i grew up drinking coffee with my uncles, aunties, etc
    
    although i guess my multiple ways of brewing coffee came from those sheepism trendy coffee culture…
    - Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 20:52
      
      'half'
      - meong on 22/06/2025 - 20:55
        
        -1
        
        @Protractor: i wasn't disagreeing, right? even on my strong coffee culture, i was still 'half' affected by the sheepism
        
        Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 21:00
        
        +1
        
        @meong: Nah, I'm just saying there's a whole lot of bandwagoning that happened in a set timeline, and it coincides with the rise in social media. Then it moved to everyone had to be a barista at home, and here we are.It is what it is.
        
        meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:03
        
        @Protractor: well, yeah, my breville 920 that i bought in 2017 didn't stop me buying siphon filter, kalita and even a kickstarter coffee cold drip maker 😅
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 22/06/2025 - 21:29
        
        @Protractor: That’s not true at all. Coffee culture has been massive here in Australia long before the rise of social media. Greek and Italian immigrants who migrated to Australia after World War II introduced Australia to espresso. Around 2008/2009 when the GFC happened Starbucks closed up most of their Australian locations, they lost over 100 million dollars in our market. At the time it was a multi billion dollar industry here in Australia. Australia was the first country in the world that Starbucks failed in, because we are spoilt for choice here for good coffee, and we actually like that taste of coffee and not the sugary American drinks that Starbucks tried to serve here.
        
        Protractor on 22/06/2025 - 23:20
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: It was def in those Melb migrant culture areas. But exploded after social media and online shopping and gadget collecting took off.You do know how long before 2008 this was?
        Your gap between WW2 and 2000's is decades mate.
        
        https://qmediax.com.au/the-rise-of-australian-coffee-culture…
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 22/06/2025 - 23:28
        
        +2
        
        @Protractor: You’re so wrong, you clearly need to read up and educate yourself on the subject, if you do then you’ll learn how long before 2008. There is nothing factual in what you’re saying, you’re just saying nonsense that you have made up from what you believe to be true from your own poor subjective observations. Australian coffee culture and the Australian coffee industry was huge and popular for many years before social media and influencers became a thing and existed. For example, Starbucks launched here in 2000 when coffee culture and the Australian coffee industry was already a big thing, Facebook didn’t launch until 2004. Social media and influencers aren’t responsible for creating significant growth and the success and popularity of Australian coffee culture.
        
        kiitos on 23/06/2025 - 10:05
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: And Gloria Jean's was in Australia and reasonably successful before Starbucks.
        
        morse on 23/06/2025 - 02:20
        
        +1
        
        @Protractor: Coffee culture, comparing notes on the best place to buy coffee and discussing favourite coffee type, beans etc was well and truely alive in the 90s.
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 02:29
        
        @Protractor: A quick furthermore to the response I’ve already given to this, as I previously mentioned in my first post Australian cafe coffee culture was already a multi billion dollar local industry at the time in 2008 when Starbucks closed many of it’s Australian store locations after losing over 100 million dollars in our market and failing here, do you think cafe coffee culture became a multi billion dollar industry here in Australia over night, how could it have been a multi billion industry at that time if it wasn’t already popular and well established?
        
        Also, it wasn’t until 2007 that Facebook launched on mobile phone devices, and it was around the same time for YouTube too. The first iPhone also didn’t come out until mid 2007. Not only that, social media influencers as we know them today weren’t a thing in 2007 or 2008 either. So your entire argument is really just silly/stupid.
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 10:08
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: I'
        "In 2025, Australia's at home roast coffee market was worth around 1.34 billion U.S. dollars. In comparison, the out of home roast coffee market revenue amounted to just over 10.1 billion U.S. dollars that same year. By 2029, the out of home roast coffee market in the country was expected to be worth almost 11.8 billion U.S. dollars."
        
        What was it in 1970/2000/2010?
        
        The beverage (tea,instant coffee,barista,home coffee machine) an consumption timeline in Straya is state,ethnicity and timing related. And it has exponentially exploded as a social contagion due to peer and social popularity. The amount of people drinking 'real coffee' now compared to 20 years ago is massive.
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 10:48
        
        @Protractor: You’re obviously not very good a reading and researching, your numbers are way off. Based on a very quick google search AI displays the following:
        
        “The Australian cafe and coffee shop industry is valued at $14 billion in 2025. This represents the total revenue generated by cafes and coffee shops across the country. Additionally, the broader Australian coffee market, including at-home consumption, is estimated to be worth $12.86 billion.”
        
        “The specialty coffee shop industry is experiencing growth, with a separate market value estimated at $8 billion”
        
        You’re not going to argue because you can’t, you don’t have an argument and can’t contend with the points of my argument that are objectively factual. Everything I have said is a fact, however there is nothing that supports your claim objectively, what you have said is not true, and if you don’t want to look continue looking like a fool, then present statistically data to back up your claim that social media and influencers have generated twice the amount of interest in Australian coffee culture and has significantly increased the market revenue by anywhere near up to double/100% more, otherwise concede.
        
        Maybe you should watch the debate in the link below, because the way you make claims, present arguments and argue points reminds me of Australian feminist Deborah Frances-White/aka the Guilty Feminist, she thinks she is an intellectual but really she is an absolute idiot, that says a lot but says very little, watching her get destroyed in debate by Konstantin Kisin and Francis Foster of the Triggernometry podcast was absolutely hilarious:
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgO2G4_F4EQ&pp
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 10:52
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: Australia's at home roast coffee market was worth around 1.34 billion U.S. dollars
        
        Apples and oranges. *and**(last time) I'm talking about the massive exponential expansion of coffee *post ,*social media.If you want to deny it's a thing, then maybe hipsters never existed,either, and I guess I can live with that
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 10:59
        
        @Protractor: Try to keep up. It’s not apples and oranges at all, you made a claim that’s wrong. Yes, I’m aware that you have been talking about “massive exponential expansion of coffee” in Australia, and again no objective facts support what you have said about social media and influencers being responsible for significant industry growth of coffee culture in Australia, so unless you can provide facts with statistical data to back up you’re claim, then admit that you have a subjective view that you have just made up, concede to the facts I have said, and shut up.
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 11:05
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: Okee, so? we were all coffee junkies, at home baristas, across Australia way before the 2000's, and social media hasn't exploded the uptake.
        
        Nowhere do I read any deals about coffee machines, nobody I know has one. Nowhere have I seen this trends./s
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 12:51
        
        @Protractor: My god, you can’t be as stupid as your comments are. So your metric of measure is your social circle, OzBargain, and coffee machine bargains posted online 🤣. Maybe that has something to do with the advancements of affordable home technology over the last 20 years that people have turned to for a cheaper alternative than paying $4-$8+ for espresso options from a cafe.
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 17:12
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: No, and luckily not as stupid as your comments, either, which believe me is a great relief.
        
        Notes to self: The popularity and uptake of coffee has never accelerated in Australia. It has always been huge. History is wrong. Social media plays no part in setting trends.None of these previous tenets may socialise
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 17:35
        
        -3
        
        @Protractor: Whatever you say Deborah Frances-White/Guilty Feminist… You put words in peoples mouths just like a left wing feminist, and some of the things you do say on this site makes you sound just as crazy as Deborah Frances-White. She is a 57 year old single woman, maybe you should ask her out on a date, you sound like you’d be a perfect match for her.
        
        I haven’t said that social media and influencers haven’t played any role whatsoever, just that there’s no objective evidence that it’s played a significant role in increasing Australian Coffee Culture and industry revenue by up to double like you have claimed but can’t back up and prove to support yourself.
        
        You seem to like arguing for the sake of it, kind of like a woman, is it too hard for you to just say you were wrong and leave it there, rather than making yourself look foolish by continuing to argue when you have no argument, and are unable to contend with my factual points and arguments. You lost the debate mate, it’s as simple as that.
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 20:53
        
        +4
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: You seem to like arguing for the sake of it, kind of like a woman
        
        Spotlight shining right on you right wing misogynist. Give my love to Onion Man.
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 20:59
        
        -2
        
        @Protractor: I’m not far left or far right. Nor I am a feminist or red pill manophere activist, both sides as bad as another. Feminism doesn’t get a pass from stupidity and the mistakes it has made though just because modern society tells it should. I fall in the middle, maybe a little left or right with somethings.
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 21:01
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: Your language says different. It's all there in black and white. In all it's inglorious bigotry. Which you don't even stand behind. I've blocked you so enjoy talking at yourself
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 21:04
        
        -3
        
        @Protractor: I merely pointed out that you argue with female and left wing traits. If you’re not either, and don’t want to be associated with that, perhaps you should reassess how you post and argue on OzBargain if you don’t want to be viewed that way.
        
        dtc on 23/06/2025 - 11:04
        
        @Protractor: Is your argument that the reason people have gone from instant roast to espresso coffee due to social media?
        
        I'm 55; I have been drinking espresso coffee since I was at uni in the 1980s. I dont live in Melbourne. None of my peers were drinking instant coffee - yes my parents did (and still do)
        
        Or is your argument that people are drinking more coffee due to social media?
        
        As opposed to people just liking coffee more
        
        Muppet Detector on 23/06/2025 - 17:44
        
        @HuzzahIndeed:
        
        The Australian cafe and coffee shop industry is valued at $14 billion in 2025. This represents the total revenue generated by cafes and coffee shops across the country.
        
        Ever been to a cafe or coffee shop that sells coffee and food?
        
        The specialty coffee shop industry is experiencing growth, with a separate market value estimated at $8 billion”
        
        Again, food? Other beverages? How about ones who are licensed and sell alcohol?
        
        You’re not going to argue because you can’t,
        
        Bet I can.
        
        On another note, we probably drink more coffee these days because we have a larger population AND we have to pay to drink water these days so that's not even an economical choice in most cases, so people probably figure they may as well have a coffee now because it's costing just as much as a drink of water.
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 18:00
        
        -1
        
        @Muppet Detector: You said in another thread on OzBargain the other day that you think your kids are going to be just fine in life based on the stupid comments you regularly see on here. Maybe if their father stops wasting his time regularly posting online trying to demonstrate that he smarter than he really is, and trying to one up people, they actually might have a chance.
        
        Go back and reread what you have quoted from my post that was quoted from a Google search about the Australian revenue statistics and data. 8 billion dollars is the revenue for espresso drinks, adding in food and other items takes the figure up to 14 billion dollars.
        
        “The Australian cafe and coffee shop industry is valued at $14 billion in 2025. This represents the total revenue generated by cafes and coffee shops across the country. Additionally, the broader Australian coffee market, including at-home consumption, is estimated to be worth $12.86 billion.”
        
        Regardless. The other member was wrong though, so why are you bothering trying to defend them?
        
        Muppet Detector on 23/06/2025 - 18:25
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: I only responded to the information that you provided.
        
        Maybe it is you who should monitor your online contributions, eh?
        
        Regardless, I am so sorry that I dared to engage with the content of your contributions. I really deserved to be subject to your hostile personal attacks.
        
        Thank you for putting me in my place.
        
        I swear on the Bible, that I will ask for your permission to engage with the content of your posts in the future.
        
        The Australian cafe and coffee shop industry is valued at $14 billion in 2025. This represents the total revenue generated by cafes and coffee shops across the country.
        
        THAT was the content of your post. If you quoted incorrect content, that's on you, but don't get all butt hurt when somebody makes a comment about it.
        
        Or are you inferring that we can't rely on anything that you contribute so we have to fact check everything you present as fact before engaging with your contributions?
        
        Regardless. The other member was wrong though, so why are you bothering trying to defend them?
        
        So what? I wasn't commenting on his contributions, I was commenting on yours.
        
        I was not trying to defend anything he said.
        
        If you can't regulate your emotions and engage in social interactions any better than what you have done with me and others on this thread, perhaps it is you who needs to step away from the keyboard for awhile and get yourself under control, eh?
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 18:45
        
        -1
        
        @Muppet Detector: The only person that appears to be butt hurt is yourself. Who hasn’t regulated their emotions? My comment was fair, it was in response to your own comment in another thread where you were insulting the intelligence of a portion of the demographic on here, I just pointed out the clear hypocrisy.
        
        I’m sorry if you feel offended. But the mistake is with you not me, the information I provided is perfectly fine. It’s you who obviously needs to work on your comprehension skills, you simply misunderstood the context of the quote taken from Google, I provided 2 quotes, 1 for the 8 billion dollar espresso drink revenue, and another for the 14 billion dollar total revenue. How does the following quoted from Google clearly not include food and other items in the description that you’re disputing? Key words :”Total Revenue generated”:
        
        “The Australian cafe and coffee shop industry is valued at $14 billion in 2025. This represents the total revenue generated by cafes and coffee shops across the country.”
        
        Muppet Detector on 23/06/2025 - 19:04
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: Maybe revise what we both wrote, eh?
        
        Apart from your miscomprehension of my post in the noisy apartment thread, just revisit the content of your post that I commented on.
        
        This represents the total revenue generated by cafes and coffee shops across the country.”
        
        It was you who claimed it to be total revenue of cafe's etc.
        
        it was in response to your own comment in another tv insulting the intelligence of other members on here, I just pointing out the hypocrisy.
        
        Show me this comment and hypocrisy. Go on.
        
        Show me anywhere that I've insulted somebody's intelligence, for that matter.
        
        You do know that disagreeing with somebody else's post is not insulting their intelligence, don't you?
        
        You were rude (not just to me, other posters too), and I called you on it.
        
        Suck it up and do better.
        
        But the mistake is with you not me,
        
        Apparently not.
        
        Key words :”Total Revenue generated”:
        
        I understand the key words, do you?
        
        What does total revenue (of coffee shops), mean to you?
        
        The Australian cafe and coffee shop industry is valued at $14 billion in 2025. This represents the total revenue generated by cafes and coffee shops across the country.”
        
        Here is your entire post again. Clearly says total revenue generated by cafe's etc is $14 billion.
        
        I commented that total revenue includes all revenue including food etc.
        
        You did not claim $14 billion was revenue generated solely from coffee sales/consumption.
        
        I don't care where you got the information you posted, but a) you gave no link to source, and b) the part you did care to share with the class doesn't say what you want it to say.
        
        I questioned your post and you responded with that rude, unfounded personal attack.
        
        I really want to make a comment here about your proctologist finding your head, but that may be considered rude…
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 20:55
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: Mate get help.The coffee has fried your brain
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 21:24
        
        @Protractor: Is this where we are at, insulting one another, because you can’t argue the actual debate topic providing facts and evidence to back up your outrageous false comments about how Australian coffee culture hasn’t been mainstream for decades and that social media and influencers are what has made Australian coffee culture so popular.
        
        I guess we have something in common, you’ve left a digital footprint of many comments on this site that are quite silly, that also suggests your brain isn’t very healthy.
        
        Muppet Detector on 24/06/2025 - 03:41
        
        @HuzzahIndeed:
        
        Is this where we are at, insulting one another, because you can’t argue the actual debate topic providing facts and evidence to back up your outrageous false comments
        
        Are you serious?
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 24/06/2025 - 05:49
        
        -1
        
        @Muppet Detector: Yeah I am serious. Because both yours and member Protactor’s arguments have been wrong in this discussion/debate, you also entered the discussion midway through to argue something that is wrong, and both of you have had serious issue with being able to admit when you are wrong, so insulting your intelligence was justified and perfectly reasonable when both of you aren’t willing to acknowledge when you are wrong about things, and don’t argue from a position where you are progressing the debate by addressing the factual points and arguments in what has been said with your owns actual facts in counter arguments if you disagree with what my fundamental argument has been.
        
        Muppet Detector on 24/06/2025 - 07:05
        
        @HuzzahIndeed: I haven't made any arguments.
        
        I asked two questions about the content of one of your posts and you launched into a tirade of hostile personal attacks and insults.
        
        You started with telling lies about a post I made in another thread.
        
        You even took a shot at my husband who has never been online in his life and has never had anything to do with you, yet you implied that he was a lousy father.
        
        You followed this up with a bunch of insults, name calling and derogatory comments.
        
        THEN, if that wasn't enough, you make derogatory comments about how I parent my children!
        
        I mean, I know that helicopter parents are a thing these days, but since my YOUNGEST kid is 25, I think I can take my foot off the pedal a bit these days, don't you think?
        
        Now I know what made Julia Gillard coin the term "internet nut job".
        
        She was talking about you, wasn't she?
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 24/06/2025 - 08:36
        
        @Muppet Detector: That’s right, you haven’t made any arguments.
        
        And you asked 2 stupid questions which were - “Ever been to a cafe or coffee shop that sells coffee and food?” and “Again, food? Other beverages? How about ones who are licensed and sell alcohol?”, because you didn’t comprehend what I was actually saying from the information I had posted, and you stupidly and wrongly thought that I wasn’t aware that the 14 billion dollar total revenue generated figure included food.
        
        What lies have I told? All of the points I made in this thread about the topic that was being discussed are objectively factual. After you stupidly injected yourself into the conversation, I wrongly used an example from another post you made in another thread to emphasise that just like in this thread, and just like member Protactor, that many of your comments on this site do demonstrate a level of stupidity. Yes I was wrong with that particular example, and I apologised for that, but that doesn’t change that many of the comments you post on here do make me question your intelligence.
        
        No, I didn’t take a shot at your husband at all. I was talking about you, I assumed you were a man. My apologies, it sounds like you are saying you’re a woman, I didn’t realise that you are in fact a woman if that’s what you are.
        
        Thanks for finally admitting that you do pointlessly go around this site wasting your time quoting people when it’s not necessary, for the purpose of you saying something for the sake of it, and that you jump into arguments with people simply to try to one up them, which you failed at in this thread.
        
        Now are you going to finally present an argument? Or are you going to continue wasting so much of your time pointlessly arguing with people online for no reason when you could be spending that time doing something much more productive, don’t you have anything better that you could be doing with your time?
        
        HuzzahIndeed on 23/06/2025 - 22:41
        
        @Muppet Detector: Note: Reposted correcting a few spelling errors.
        
        What’s the problem with the 14 billion dollar total revenue generated claim? Do you dispute it? Your problem seems to be that it was me that said it? It’s not me saying that 14 billion dollars is the total revenue generated, the data states that, it’s not my subjective view that I have just plucked out of thin air. Yes I did give a source, I said to the other member that AI displays the information at the very top of the page by doing a quick Google search, and there are links to the information there. Are you too lazy to spend 5 seconds doing that and actually want me to post links? Here is a couple of screenshots of the cafe revenue data info on Google I took earlier:
        
        https://ibb.co/dJ2VB6y4
        
        https://ibb.co/DD1j7YtZ
        
        Why did you need to comment pointing out that the 14 billion dollar total revenue includes all revenue including food etc, when I already knew that? That’s where you have gone wrong here, you seem to think that I didn’t realise that. Yes I did make the claim that the 14 billion dollars is the total revenue including foods and other items, because that’s exactly what the quote from the Google search states, and that was the point of posting it, to separate the 8 billion for espresso only drinks revenue from the 14 billion total revenue generated which includes food, as I thought it was necessary to do this since the other member had posted incorrect figures. Don’t you understand that that was the purpose of posting both the 8 billion and 14 billion figures, clearly you don’t realise that if you’re arguing the point. You did misinterpret the meaning of my comments but for whatever reason you want to keep arguing that you didn’t. Here is a link to a screenshot of the original post below where I make note of the other members poor research attempt after they had posted much lower inaccurate figures, and clearly provided 2 separate quotes regarding the data taken from doing a Google search, 1 quote for the separate 8 billion dollar espresso only drink revenue, and 1 quote for the 14 billion dollar total revenue generated, only a moron wouldn’t have understood the context. Are saying when you read those 2 quotes you couldn’t comprehend what I was saying, that the 8 billion means espresso drinks only, and the 14 billion means total revenue generated including food and other items?
        
        https://ibb.co/Txytwjmh
        
        Moving on to the other issue. Ok I went back and had a look at your post in the other thread, and you’re right, you didn’t insult the demographic here, I remembered incorrectly. I apologise.
        
        https://ibb.co/q3F2hvcz
        
        But you see what I did there, the very first post after it was pointed out to me that I have made a mistake I am not proceeding to argue continuing to defend myself as being right, I acknowledged my mistake and apologised for it. You on the other hand haven’t, and you have continued trying to argue that you’re right and what I said was wrong in the quotes regarding the Australian cafe revenue statistics taken from Google, telling me that it means something different from what I meant and what it clearly states. It’s quite clear that you have simply misunderstood the context, but refuse to admit the flaws in your comprehension. So what I said to you was really still the truth wasn’t it, because you originally quoted me when it wasn’t necessary, therefore you have proved right my observations of you on this site that I feel I often see, that you try to present yourself as being more intelligent than you really are, and you often show it by wasting your time online being so quick to jump into arguments simply to try to get the better of people, when what you should really be doing is spending your time much more wisely actually being a parent to your kids that you’ve mentioned you have.
        
        Muppet Detector on 23/06/2025 - 18:33
        
        @HuzzahIndeed:
        
        You said in another thread on OzBargain the other day that you think your kids are going to be just fine in life based on the stupid comments you regularly see on here.
        
        FURTHERMORE
        
        That is not what I said at all.
        
        I referred to the situation and the many decision making processes that professional people were paid to do and yet they STILL ended up with a situation like that causes such significant problems for regular people.
        
        NOWHERE did I state or even imply that any comments on that thread were stupid etc.
        
        Seems like your comprehension skills need a bit of work eh?
        
        I am only responsible for what I write, but I cannot fix your kind of stupid and I never said that I could.
        
        Protractor on 23/06/2025 - 20:57
        
        +1
        
        @Muppet Detector: You are arguing with a long term rugby player. Concussion has a lot to answer for. But it's no excuse.
        
        Muppet Detector on 24/06/2025 - 03:49
        
        @Protractor: I guess that makes sense. Cheers.
        
        Trust me to find the muppet, eh?
  - morse on 23/06/2025 - 02:16
    
    By that measure all culture is sheepism. It’s literally the definition of culture - shared ideas between a group.
Muppet Detector on 22/06/2025 - 20:58

Caffeine is on the narcotics and addictions periodic table.
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:02
  
  sure is, because you can get withdrawals symptoms
djones145 on 22/06/2025 - 21:22

+4

whisky
in a flask or brown paper bag, depends how classy u wanna be
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:24
  
  +1
  
  ive never drank hot whiskey
  
  although i never say no to mulled wine
  - eddyah on 23/06/2025 - 20:15
    
    +1
    
    Some Japanese places have warm/hot Sake.
    
    Though you'll go broke is you drink too much (and probably worse for your health than coffee)
hasher22 on 22/06/2025 - 21:36

+4

I hate coffee just the taste makes me gag.

If I wanted a hot drink, it's hot choc but you have tried most likely all the 'hot' drinks out there. There's not many choices for hot drinks, especially when you want to buy it, and you want to reduce the sugar intake too

The only option for you is warm water with lemon or lime then.
- meong on 22/06/2025 - 21:42
  
  yeah, hot choc has similar milky texture like latte… i usually drink long black hence i was looking for something that is equally non-milky like tea, chai, etc
  - Muppet Detector on 23/06/2025 - 17:45
    
    Ask for hot chocolate to be made with hot water, skim milk or half milk/half water if you don't want the latte milky taste.
- ForkSnorter on 23/06/2025 - 08:19
  
  -4
  
  I hate coffee just the taste makes me gag.
  
  That sounds like the reaction people have as a kid, especially black coffee. You just have to make it the way you like it or try it a few times at different cafes until you find a coffee that you like. Try a few cappuccinos.
- randombrick on 23/06/2025 - 09:25
  
  +2
  
  I don't quite gag but I don't like coffee - it also makes me feel dehydrated pretty quickly. And na, it's not something I want to train myself to like :-D
  
  So it's usually hot choc or a "chai latte" for me. Can't get myself to pay $$ for a tea bag and hot water.
  - supersabroso on 24/06/2025 - 16:09
    
    Agreed, paying for tea is a rich person's game lol. Such a scam when I can get 100x lemon ginger teabags from Woolies for $7 on half price.

Those Who Don't Drink Coffee or Trying to Stay Away from Coffee, What Hot Drinks Do You Buy outside?

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