This is in Hoppers Crossing, VIC.
Car A, cruising through, following the traffic light when arrow is green.
Car B, doing a U turn on the same road, also following traffic light when arrow is green. No sign like "No U turn in traffic signal", so U turning here is valid.
So who has the right of way? Car A or Car B?
Even if B did have the right of way, how is A mean to know B is doing a u-turn and not just indicating a regular turn?
thats why B does not have the right of way. The rule is there so the person turning (car A) does not need to guess if car B is doing a right turn or a U turn
By using their eyes.
This is a tricky one. Because the U turn is further up than where car A is merging into the oncoming traffic, Car B has the right of way - B has already made the U turn and is part of the traffic that A has to give way to.
This is the correct answer.
I would also double check that there isn’t a no u turn sign for A.
No it is not a tricky one at all. It is the same intersection as such Car B has to give way.
Car B is just driving down a straight road in their lane minding their own business. The fact they did a u-turn earlier is irrelevant.
Car A is merging into car B's lane from a slip lane. The fact they had a green light earlier is irrelevant. They need to give way.
This isn't a tough call at all.
Car A isn't merging, they are turning onto a new road where they have a green light.
The car doing the U turn is entering a road where it is a red light for people travelling in that direction.
https://transport.vic.gov.au/road-rules-and-safety/u-turns
When making a U-turn:
give way to all other vehicles and pedestrians, including vehicles turning left from a slip lane or side street even if they are facing a give way or stop sign.
The fact they did a u-turn earlier is irrelevant.
You're talking about mere seconds, not 20 minutes earlier.
I was taught that you should abort a u-turn in this situation. Some teach it here too https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/confusing-right-of-way-u-…
In that example the blue car must give way because as far as they can tell the yellow car is just making a right turn. Yellow car must also give way because it must give way to everyone when doing a u-turn. So it's a stalemate where blue car should go but they don't know they should go because they can't tell that yellow car wants to do a u-turn. Which is why I was told to abort the u-turn.
This example is no the same as OPs because it looks like car B is indicating to turn into a road that doesn't involve car A at all. There is no stalemate, car A should go and car B should abort the u-turn because car B should not obstruct traffic while attempting a u-turn.
The other reason, the practical one, other than the legal one that the morons here have succeeded in getting hidden by negging it, is that if B didn't have "right of way" cars exiting the slip road would be faced with the situation where they would have to give way to some cars coming from their right, but not others. At a busy intersection with traffic lights they would have to have kept track of where ever car approaching from on their right had come from to know whether they'd have to give way to it or they could rely on the other car giving way to them.
If the other car had come straight along the main road they'd have to give way to it. If the other car had just made a right turn they'd have to give way to it. But if it had made a U-turn it would have to give way to them. It'd be a recipe for disaster. If that was the way the law worked, it'd cause crashes and fights about who was responsible.
No, cars exiting that slip road have to give way to EVERY vehicle coming from their right. Just the same as they do at every intersection. Its simple. Its clear. Its black and white. People here are confused because they don't understand that where the slip road meets the main road is another intersection to the one where the U-turn was done.
Here's what the Google AI says:
Yes, the point where a slip lane (or dedicated turning lane) meets the main road is considered a separate intersection, even though it may not be a traditional four-way intersection. This is because the slip lane essentially creates a separate area where vehicles can merge or diverge from the main flow of traffic.
Here's why:
Definition of an intersection:
An intersection is generally defined as where two or more roads meet.
Slip lanes as separate areas:
Slip lanes are designed to allow for turning movements without directly merging into the main traffic stream.
Merging and giving way:
When a slip lane meets the main road, vehicles exiting the slip lane must give way to traffic on the main road, indicating a separate point of conflict.
"Give way" or "Stop" signs:
Slip lanes often have "Give way" or "Stop" signs, further emphasizing that they are separate points where traffic must yield.
I would very strongly warn the OP to not rely on the "democratic" opinion here.
Car B is wrong because this is in Victoria and U turners must give way not only that OP already stated that the intersection Car B is on has a sign that even states U Turners must give way. If they arent giving way to people like Car A who are they giving way to?
OP has already stated both cars have a green arrow to turn. Car A is on a green arrow so why would they give way to car B? Car B has a green to turn ONLY not to U turn and as above U turners must give way anyways even if that wasnt the case
Road Safety Road Rules 2017 - Rule 69 (3A)
If the driver is turning left using a slip lane, the driver must give way to—
(a) any vehicle on the road the driver is entering, or turning right at the intersection into the road the driver is entering (except a vehicle making a U-turn at the intersection); and
(b) any other vehicle or pedestrian on the slip lane
Rules are clear and explicitly state that U-turners must give way to vehicles using a slip lane in Victoria.
At non-signalised slip lanes (not this post) you'd probably check and give way to the U-turner, but if there is a crash the U-turner will be at fault.
I have a similar situation I frequent. Entering from the slipway, I approach cautiously and would give way, but there's a couple of lanes to merge into.
Sweet jesus people have voted Car B has right of way…
You always give way if you're doing a U-turn. ALWAYS.
Mate why are you making sense this time round. I had to look at this again to make sure I'm thinking straight
Whichever one is the Mercedes/BMW/Audi is in the wrong… /sarcasm
U turn has to give way right
I do not ever need to drive in Vic, so I do not update on their Rules.
But like everything everywhere …there will be written Road Rule on this I am sure.
It is easy to find and easy to comprehend the U Turn Rules in Qld….so Vic should be similar.
Then there is always default Road Rule NO 1.
Do everything in your power too avoid any Road Incident, regardless of who, what, when or where and leave your ego at home.