Hi all, just wondering if anyone else has noticed that there seems to be a lot more road trains and long vehicles on Victorian roads at the moment.
Has there been any changes in terms of transportation of goods?
More Road Trains & Long Vehicles on VIC Roads
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If that was the case you'b be the 1st one out. I reckon QLD would be your Nirvana.
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@Protractor: Waste of money. He’d still be on here every day, just complaining about the heat and blaming everything on when Annastacia was in government.
Does it matter?
After long 7 years, OP finally dropped his first post. Let's go.
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Has there been any changes in terms of transportation of goods?
More ppl = more impacts on everything. Stop counting or you're in for a disappointment. Sadly we are too stupid a country and missed the opportunity to have a fit for purpose rail network.
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Without trucks Australia stops
And with them it crawls to almost a stop…
Catch public transport
wouldnt matter if there were no trucks, shit road design and planning decades ago, no investment in public transport since Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem caused gridlock
Yes, I travel on the Hume every day. The average truck size has significantly increased over the last few years.
It was uncommon to see a b-triple, or even a full double road train a few years ago - now its quite common.Better economies of scales = cheaper transport = cheaper products.
Covid also created some challenges in the industry because there was a lack of truck drivers.
Increased truck sizes reduces the number of truck drivers needed (It also probably increases their salaries also).
Covid also created some challenges in the industry because there was a lack of truck drivers.
Was a small but noticeable percentage that lost their job at that time due to their stance, many never came back.
Likely added to the driver shortage pressure.
(It also probably increases their salaries also).
Nothing amazing for the driver… maybe a dollar or two an hour more or 5c per km more if trip rate if they lucky.
Many probably no bump in pay for running bigger combos.
“Frequency Illusion” or “ Baader-Meinhof phenomenon”
Is it just me or have I seen comments like this a lot,lately?
The more you notice them, the more you've noticed them - and the more you notice them, confirming that you've noticed them.
Youll notice theres more cars the same as yours too, but not notice how many cars arent the same as yours.
There are some you notice. There are some you don't notice.They are some you don't know you notice. There are some you notice, you don't know you notice. Then there are some you don't notice, that you're not noticing.It's pretty straight forward,really.
This is true even if the thing you're noticing has actually become more frequent or common.
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I bought an uncommon model of car once. After buying it I noticed it wasn't so rare anymore. Maybe my car was a magnet for others like it.
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Hence the reason just about all Victorian roads are stuffed with potholes and undulations from the weight of these things, the worst offenders are these huge sand trucks with dog trailers attached that completely stuff the road surface up.
Also I do believe we do not have any contractors in Victoria that can lay a road surface that lasts. The road surface is stuffed out come the signs road hazard 60kph or 40 kph for months on end before they look at it…. I think they are waiting for the bridge at Koo Wee Rup to collapse before fixing the join between the road surface and bridge surface….or possible 1 or 2 fatals.
Victoria the stuffed state.
Hence the reason just about all Victorian roads are stuffed with potholes and undulations from the weight of these things, the worst offenders are these huge sand trucks with dog trailers attached that completely stuff the road surface up.
I agree that large trucks damage the road more than regular traffic but they also pay 10-20 grand a year for registration (depending on the combination).
If the government used the money wisely they could easily manage, maintain and build decent roads…
Not to mention to fuel excise…
Registraion is a State tax which goes straight to the Suburban Loop contractors LOLZ Jacinta's Folly it's called
More consumption equals more transportation of consumables.
No alternatives available (like train) other than roads => more truck on roads.
Happens mostly everywhere in Australia. Including and in particular Queensland.
Always gets me how some complain about trucks but the ones complaining forget without trucks you wouldnt have roads to drive on, wouldnt have food, wouldnt have clothes, no public transport, no railway system etc etc.
without trucks you wouldnt have roads to drive on
I'll say is the other way around.
We have trucks because we have preexisting roads; before the road it was the railway.instead of the truck.No trucks means safer, easier to maintain and better roads for cars.
I'll say is the other way around.
We have trucks because we have preexisting roads; before the road it was the railway.instead of the truckWe are not living in ancient Rome, the roads we all use today had all of the necessities needed to build them transported by truck.
Rail is not viable for all situations.
No trucks means safer
While not all truckies are angels and there are a few bad ones around, statistically they are the safer drivers as 80%+ of accidents involving a car and truck are deemed the fault of the car (feel free to check that stat online).
Rail is not viable for all situations
Not "all situations" but "all situations were roads are" in use.
Remember: railroads are an enhancement to transportation. Your ancient Rome had lots and lots of marvelous roads but not railroads.
Try "driving" long distances versus lounging in a high speed, full comfort train (overseas, of course …)
While not all truckies are angels
It is not (necessarily) the truckies but the actual multiple tonnes monster truck ensemble damaging roads, using more space and blocking more of a driver views.
@LFO: TWU = political power. They have massive clout on decisions around our road networks,laws etc.
Trucks (more/bigger/more frequently) on roads is now a permanent burden. So we'll never see an intelligent rail system in Straya. As we populate more the road toll will grown exponentially, as will trucks , as will autonomous vehicles. That mix is going to create a lot of mayhem and the govt has no idea how to deal with it. Much like the whole personal e transport , worry about it later, cluster fkThe 'if we din't have truckies' is just a hollow mantra. Like the one export farmers use to convince us they feed us first.
The 'if we din't have truckies' is just a hollow mantra.
I mean… tbh its true.
I am by no means against another way of transportation, but there is not one that is viable to replace them. Yet, anyway…
So the mantra is true 😂
Not "all situations" but "all situations were roads are" in use.
Surely you can’t believe that…
Rail is so limited for Australian needs. It has its place but can’t replace road transport with our population, city locations and meet the demand for speed and efficiency.
Plus if you go down that “all situations” aspect are you saying it should deliver your groceries to the store, raw materials to buildings and have the odd rail platform at a farm?
Try "driving" long distances versus lounging in a high speed, full comfort train (overseas, of course …)
What is the correlation between a truck delivering goods, the road being damaged and a person being comfortable over long distances? Lol
Serious question.While not all truckies are angels
It is not (necessarily) the truckies but the actual multiple tonnes monster truck ensemble damaging roads, using more space and blocking more of a driver views.Fairplay, i myself misunderstood the above statement and took it for safety from a driving perspective, not a damage to the road perspective. My bad.
But as stated above, the ludicrous money trucks pay for rego, permits and excises should easily be covering any damages they do.
Surely you can’t believe that…
Clearly you believe the opposite, so not much could be said.
Not much except a reminder that previous consumerist civilizations did exist well before trucks and trucking was a thing.
Think about it.Not much except a reminder that previous consumerist civilizations did exist well before trucks and trucking was a thing.
If we want to go back there then the old shanks ponies (legs) or horse and cart was the versatile option for those times.
Why? Because it made the most sense and was the most practical method available.
Back in the ye old days, people dug out huge water channels to allow faster shipping through previously land locked routes, but they didn’t think that was an option for every situation…
Not sure about you, but I can’t ever foresee a world in which we replace our roads with intersecting train-lines to every store, farm etc.
It’s not practical.
Thus the question. Are you seriously suggesting that rail can completely or majorly replace trucks - especially in Australia?
Thus the question. Are you seriously suggesting that rail can completely or majorly replace trucks - especially in Australia?
The issue here is less trucks (or a lot less trucks as stated bellow.)
And not what will the replacement be.Is it rail?
Whatever it is if achieves less trucks in public roads, roads shared by cars, motorcycles, pushbikes, pedestrians, the lot.Whatever it is
It’s a pipe dream.
But going along with protractors point below and supposing the supply chain could cater to it…
Any reduction in trucks would be interstate and out of city. And as someone who drives those routes, i can tell you it means bugger all for 99% of people in Aus if those roads had less trucks.All products moved by train get to rail and go out from those rail yards on… you guessed it, trucks 😂
So where does the reduction in trucks in areas that matter (cities) come in to play with rail?
It’s a pipe dream.
Nope.
It is called lateral thinking.Nothing will change, nothing will improve unless something changes.
The current status quo on trucks and trucking means doing noooothing about it …
Head-in-the sand syndrome??It is called lateral thinking.
I don’t believe there is a lot of thinking involved in your argument as the only thing you keep repeating is: trains or something else…
Put some explanation as to how that would solve the issue or come up with another idea and express it.
Head-in-the sand syndrome??
I understand the supply chain and issues involved with making changes to it.
As i said above:
I am by no means against another way of transportation, but there is not one that is viable to replace them
So explain to me how trains or other methods could reduce trucks in Australia and completely revolutionise the Australian supply chain.
@LFO: The meaning of Explanation as per the oxford dictionary:
a statement or account that makes something clear:
a reason or justification given for an action or belief:You said:
The issue here is less trucks (or a lot less trucks as stated bellow.)
And not what will the replacement be.
Is it rail?
Whatever it is if achieves less trucks in public roads, roads shared by cars, motorcycles, pushbikes, pedestrians, the lot.That isn’t really an explanation. It’s more of a general complaint, similar to protractor, which also fails to show any actual understanding of how the Australian logistics chain operates and simply answers: trains, not trucks.
So, before suggesting something like this with a mildly condescending tone:
It is called lateral thinking
Perhaps try engaging in it yourself.
@LFO: And yet your full reply was:
Clearly you believe the opposite, so not much could be said.
Not much except a reminder that previous consumerist civilizations did exist well before trucks and trucking was a thing.
Think about it.…All good that you wish to bow out of the conversation you have no answer for, just don’t be so smug about it 😂
The End.
Not no trucks, less . A lot less. This country has zero visionaries. We allow Olympics but can't use the money better on another section of inland rail,intra state or national rail.Let someone else have the fkn Olympics FFS. Nobody here can afford to go to any decent events,any more.
While I do understand about road-trains / long vehicles … ultimately it is upto the local council to enforce.
+++ future planning of state government.EG. here in WA …
some councils have banned B-doubles on certain roads (certain parts of SW comes to mind).
then other councils have also banned trucks (with air-brakes) after a certain time of night == built-up residential area.then lastly the decade long debate of trucks on Roe highway / Perth Freight link.
unfortunately … trucks are a part of the equation … how else are we going to move the food that you eat / or the furniture,doona,blanket for your home … or even the car that you drive (all of which would have been on a truck at some point).
ultimately it is upto the local council to enforce
OMG councils get rid of them.
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The biggest sloth trough and burden on society is local govt. Ppl whinge about the NDIS. Local govt is a far bigger,more expensive rort in every way, than any scams ripping off the NDIS kitty.
some councils have banned B-doubles on certain roads (certain parts of SW comes to mind).
Can run a B double into most parts of the SW but no full size road trains between Bunbury to Augusta.
Usually just excludes the town centres for b doubles nowdays.That said, if companies have deep pockets (eg: Qube) they simply just pay for a permit and are allowed to run short triples smack bang through built up areas in the city and the SW 😂
@Rattta, any chance the trucks have hay on them?
People moving interstate to escape all the taxes ???