Ubiquiti UniFi Cloud Gateway Max 2.5GbE Router $483, Dream Router 7 $502, Express 7 Router $379 Delivered ($0 C&C) @ Centre Com

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Ubiquiti UniFi Cloud Gateway Max 2.5GbE router $483.

Specs
Quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 1.5GHz Processor.
3GB RAM.
Default WAN Ports: 1 x 2.5G Ethernet RJ45.
LAN Ports: 4 x 2.5G Ethernet RJ45.
IDS/IPS Throughput: 2.3Gbps.
Can run all the UniFi apps (Network, Protect, Access, Talk and Connect).
Built-in 512GB NVMe SSD for Protect (supports up to 2TB).

Note: Ubiquiti wireless access point(s) sold separately.

Full list of tech specs.


Ubiquiti UniFi Dream Router 7 $502.

Specs
Quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 1.5GHz Processor.
3GB RAM.
Default WAN Ports: 1 x 10G SFP+ and 1 x 2.5G Ethernet RJ45.
LAN Ports: 3 x 2.5G Ethernet RJ45 (1 x Ethernet RJ45 port has built-in PoE with a 15.4W maximum).
IDS/IPS Throughput: 2.3Gbps.
Wi-Fi 7 tri-band with 6GHz.
Coverage Area: 160m².
Can run all the UniFi apps (Network, Protect, Access, Talk and Connect).

Full list of tech specs.


Ubiquiti UniFi Express 7 Router $379.

Specs
Quad-core ARM Cortex-A53 1.5GHz Processor.
3GB RAM.
Default WAN Ports: 1 x 10G Ethernet RJ45.
LAN Ports: 1 x 2.5G Ethernet RJ45.
IDS/IPS Throughput: 2.3Gbps.
Wi-Fi 7 tri-band with 6GHz.
Coverage Area: 160m².
Only runs the UniFi Network app.

Full list of tech specs.


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Comments

  • +6

    If you're planning on getting the UCG-Max, you may as well pay a bit more for the UCG-Fiber

    • Get the UCG-Fiber if you use 10G ports. I have no use for 10G (save $48).

      Note that the UCG-Fiber is a router and doesn't replace the nbn fibre NTD.

      • +1

        The thing is the UCG-Max runs the same chipset as the Ultra, so it's pushing 2.5Gbe speeds using the same hardware and can get quite hot.

        The Fiber uses a Quad-core ARM® Cortex®-A73 at 2.2 GHz.

        • UCG-Max and Ultra may not have the same chipset as IDS/IPS Throughput on UCG-Max is 2.3x of Ultra.

          I have both UCG-Fiber and UCG-Max. So far, not impressed with UCG-Fiber in terms of speed. The chipset / CPU is meant to be a lot faster, yet the bootup for UCG-Fiber is about the same time as the Max (I turned both on at the same time). The migration from UCG-Max to UCG-Fiber was a pain for me (backup and restore didn't work, so I had to re-do everything). 10Gbps switches, cables, SFP+ modules are expensive. The m.2 SSD tray price here is still a rip off.

          • @netsurfer: Spec sheet says they are the same.

            You can't really add SFP+ modules to the price, because that logic means you'd add the price to anything with an SFP+ port.

            If you have access to a 3D printer, you can print the SSD tray for little to no cost.

            • @P1xellat3d: IDS/IPS throughput is different (2.3 Gbps vs 1Gbps). UCG-Max supports Protect and Access. There is also PCIe support (for the SSD).

              Of course you need to add SFP+ modules. When I recommended someone on OZB to get UCG-Fiber, that person asked me about the SFP+ modules. You need to decide on DAC and/or SFP+ module(s) for ethernet or optical fibre. You also need to decide whether you do a 10Gbps switch or go with 2.5Gbps switch (probably with 10Gbps uplink to UCG-Fiber via DAC (costs less)).

              Ubiquiti is smart about releasing UCG-Fiber. That entices people to go for 10Gbps gears which Ubiquiti can make a bigger profit. 3D print the SSD tray, that's assuming most people have a 3D printer.

              • @netsurfer: Couldn't the different throughput just be imposed artifically through software? Aside from the SSD slot, I really do think that the Ultra/Max are running the same underlying hardware (one is just being pushed to its limit).

                • @P1xellat3d: No, IDS/IPS throughput is a good measure of overall processing power. UCG-Max's IDS/IPS is below Dream Machine Pro (3.5 Gbps). UCG-Fiber is above UDM-Pro (since it uses the current gen Qualcomm network chipset). UCG-Fiber has a fan inside.

                  Ubiquiti did hold back UCG-Fiber (by giving it less RAM than Dream Machines). With no extra RAM added (compared to UCG-Max), the memory usage is the same as UCG-Max (which is on the high side). Sure, the CPU usage is 2x lower (percentage wise), but UCG-Max's CPU usage (same setup) isn't high. Both UCG-Max and UCG-Fiber are far more memory bound / limited. I have a 10Gbps switch that I plan to connect to UCG-Fiber on the weekend. However, once that's added, it will be doing most of the 10Gbps switching for LAN, so UCG-Fiber CPU will still be heavily under utilised. UCG-Fiber's total switching capability is ~10Gbps combined (whereas my 8 port 10Gbps switch's backplane has 160 Gbps). That's why I mentioned a 10Gbps switch is something people would consider once UCG-Fiber is purchased.

      • Does UCG-Fiber work with HFC PPPoE?

        • Yeah it does.

          nbn NTD box —- UCG-Fiber router WAN port. Configure PPPoE in the Ubiquiti settings.

          • @Twix: Do any of their wireless APs offer similar signal coverage to the Asus RT-AX86U Pro?

            • +1

              @ShadowSaver: I don't know. I haven't tested both side by side.

            • +1

              @ShadowSaver: You need to go for UniFi E7 or U6 LR to get similar coverage. Given that RT-AX86U Pro is WiFi 6, technically U6 LR.

              U6 Pro, U7 Pro, UX7, UDR7 etc… all have inferior range (from specs and real life testing) and I assume you are talking about the 5GHz band usable range. I run mixed UniFi and non-UniFi (OpenWRT, OPNSense, TP-Link Omada) setup and my non-UniFi access points (I have cheap routers running as access points) consistently provide better range than U7 Pro and UX7 (I run UX7 in access point mode). I setup Asus RT-AX86U Pro for a relative so I know its range quite well.

              • @netsurfer: Yes, the 5GHz covers the entire 3 bedroom home, including the backyard

                • @ShadowSaver: Not easy to beat RT-AX86U Pro's range.

                • @ShadowSaver: Asus RT-AX86U Pro still performs good. Do you want more 2.5GbE ports?

                  • @Twix: Nope, just checking to see if there's a better option to upgrade to.

                    • @ShadowSaver: Asus RT-BE86U is available. The main benefit is more 2.5GbE ports and Wi-Fi 7 with 2.4GHz and 5GHz (no 6GHz).

                      I would keep the RT-AX86U Pro a bit longer.

                      • +1

                        @Twix: Yeah, I'll probably keep it a bit longer and upgrade to the BE92U if I stick with Asus.

              • @netsurfer: Interesting that you got a mixed of UniFi, OpenWRT, OPNSense. I assume each one handles one task ie. Opnsense routing, UniFi firewall, cheap OpenWRT routers as APs.

                • @ShadowSaver: I didn't want to buy UniFi access points ($$$), so I went with OpenWRT options. My OPNSense box isn't really just for OPNSense, it is also a DIY NAS (it has 10Gbps ports).

                  When I setup my UniFi network, UCG-Fiber, UX7, and U7 Pro XG weren't available, and I wasn't impressed to U7 Pro. So I setup WiFi 6 with OpenWRT (WiFi 6 so didn't want to overspend). I did get a second hand U7 Pro recently. The OpenWRT setup stays because the range is better than U7 Pro and UX7. I have UniFi APs only servicing WiFi 6 & 7 clients. The 3 nodes I paid for the OpenWRT setup is cheaper than 1 U7 Pro second hand and each one provides better range than U7 Pro. However, U7 Pro can do 6GHz being WiFi 7.

                  I upgraded to UCG-Fiber and the migrate (backup / restore) didn't work (so I had to pretty much re-configure everything). The OpenWRT setup was quite helpful (since those configs are not managed by UniFi, those still worked, giving me working WiFi access while I reset / re-adopt / re-config my UniFi switches, APs etc…). When my UCG-Fiber failed to bring up UniFi network after the initial migration, it was scary. I think I will continue with mixed setup and will do more OPNSense. I now want the ability to have a backup option should UCG-Fiber goes @#!@#!@.

                  When UniFi devices work, they are really nice and cool, but when things go pear shaped, you just don't have sufficient control. It wasn't fun that I had to physically reset every UniFi switch and every UniFi AP.

  • If you're planning on running separate Unifi access points and you've got something to run the management console on, then the UXG-Lite is only $69 https://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts?id=42950 or $59 for the next few hours https://www.ple.com.au/products/664078/ubiquiti-unifi-gatewa…

  • ASUS Routers vs Unifi Routers, which ones are better?

    • +2

      I like unifi ecosystem's building block approach which allows your network to scale with you. They do access points if wifi isn't making it to the opposite end of your house, PoE switches if you have security cameras or other devices powered by ethernet, they even do the security cameras themselves if you want everything integrated seamlessly.

      The router specifically has a useful UI showing the topology of your network where you can alias devices to make them easier to identify, lock them to a specific AP, limit their bandwidth etc. If you have other unifi devices it'll also keep them up to date for you. It's fairly feature rich in there.

    • +1

      The Ubiquiti gear is much more on the pro side of prosumer gear than Asus.

      If you want to build it out in future with more APs, Switches etc then Unifi without a doubt, also if you like to mess around with configurations and see plenty of stats.

      Asus as a single all in one is more plug and forget, and in my exp has slightly better wifi range as a single unit compared to the E7.

      I recently switched my set up to an E7 and will never go back to consumer grade gear…

  • Anyone know whether their 'premier' Centre Com Club gives a better price on these?

    • +1

      Not for these.

  • Brains trust, please recommend to me what would be a better value for my use case: UDR7 or UX7.
    - I'm planning to install a POE doorbell + 8 Reolink POE cameras + a few POE smart devices around the house.
    - The house is 120sqm double brick, I assume a single router should work..

    I'm a rookie, have done some research but still a bit vague. I wonder if I should get UDR7 or UX7, or if I need to get both. I understand that UDR7 is the better device, but if I can save some money, that would be great. Also what POE switch would suit my use case?
    Thank you.

    • +2

      Go the UDR and a PoE switch. Be careful which switch as some ReoLinks draw more than 8-9W so make sure they’re powered adequately. (USW pro will be fine, but lite will work)

      • Thank you!

    • +1

      You will get a Reolink NVR right? If so, those 8 Reolink POE cameras will be connected to the NVR.

      Generally, UDR7 is a better choice as those extra 2.5Gbps LAN ports do come in handy and it supports UniFi Protect so technically you could try to see if UniFi Protect would be able to manage the Reolink cameras (but not recommended as you will most likely lose all the AI related features (unless you buy an UniFi AI add-on product)). Also, microSD card to store all the footage for 8 cameras isn't ideal. You do need to decide whether you want to get an UniFi PoE switch or you want to go the cost cutting route and get a 3rd party PoE switch.

      WiFi range, UDR7 and UX7 range isn't that great (not quite on par with a mainstream router, but better than U7 Pro). Also, WiFi 7 6Ghz only really works in the same room as the router / access point (because you want really high speed). If you have a mainstream WiFi 6 router, do bear in mind UDR7 and UX7 WiFi 5GHz range is a tad less (so if your current WiFi coverage is excellent, then it is fine, but if it is a bit shaky at the edges of the house, expect the range to be slightly inferior). UniFi has products with longer WiFi range. UDR7 and UX7 range sits between U6 Pro / U7 Pro and those long range ones. Another thing is that a lot of smart home devices use WiFi 5 based chipsets and some of them won't work when you enforce WiFi 7 mode (WPA3), so once you make your WiFi network compatible with them, you will end up running WiFi 6 like setup (you could do that just for 2.4GHz band I guess).

      UX7 can operate as an access point / repeater / bridge. Under that mode, it is kinda like an U7 Pro XG. UDR7 only operates as a controller / router.

      • Thanks for your detailed input.
        I'm going to start from scratch, haven't had anything at all at the moment.
        I will likely grab a Reolink NVR too. If I get the UDR7 and a NVR, do I need to also get a POE switch for the camera? I use Home Assistant and to use Frigate.
        I'm assuming buying UDR7 and a Reolink NVR (plus cameras) is enough to get it running.
        I was considering a Wifi6 router (UDR) to cut cost but its price is not that low..

        • +1

          With Frigate, I think you don't need to have a Reolink NVR (I have no experience with Frigate). Don't go UDR (WiFi 6), NBN September upgrade means you need to aim for at least 2.5Gbps WAN support (you don't have to upgrade to 2Gbps plan, but at least a new setup should let you have the choice should you choose to do so later on). UDR7 has a more powerful chipset.

          Reolink NVR has PoE ports for the cameras. Reolink NVR isn't cheap though (so it is an extra cost).

          Assuming you don't get the NVR (because you want to use just Frigate), then you are looking at ideally a 16 port PoE switch (cleaner) because you have other PoE devices. If you intend to go UniFi with that switch, the switch will cost more than the UDR7. For cost cutting, 3rd party PoE switches are much cheaper, but you lose running a clean UniFi network setup.

          • @netsurfer: Thanks! I will definitely do some more research about NVR/Frigate and how they integrate with HA.
            Another noob question, I saw you mentioned that UDR7 can operate as a router, can you confirm if I can get the internet access (and HA setup) if I only purchase the UDR7 for now?
            A bit of context hopefully to make it clearer, I'm currently running HA at my rental and will be moving to my place soon. I will bring all HA smart devices with me, but none of the network devices (modem/router).
            Thanks again.

            • +1

              @xdh: Sorry about the confusion. UDR7 can only operate as an UniFi controller (essentially kinda like a standard router, except unlike a typical router, which tends to offer you the ability to operate in access point point if you want to, you can't do that with UDR7). Essentially, you would connect your NBN connection to UDR7. While you technically could connect it to another UniFi controller (i.e. UCG-Max, UCG-Fiber or Dream Machine Pro), UDR7 still has to operate as a controller (i.e. managing its own site) and you will be doing double NATing for IPv4 and the IPv6 subnetting will be restricted if you chose to run multiple controllers.

              In your case, since you are only planning to get either UDR7 or UX7, it's fine, as you must have an UniFi controller in an UniFi network setup. You will have Internet access (because you will connect your NBN to the UDR7) and HA will work fine. Your place will have its own NBN NTD / modem.

              • @netsurfer: Thanks for your prompt replies. I just purchased the UDR7 and am ready to fall into the rabbit hole lol.

  • +1

    $10 cheaper for the Express 7 with ebay Plus code SSPLUS https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/185749571930

  • what about the Ubiquiti UCG-Ultra Cloud Gateway Ultra?

    that will replace my router? i already have an Ubiquiti UniFi U6 access point for wifi

    i dont need to host anything like the Lite?

    • Yeah swap your current router for the UCG Ultra router. The controller is built-in and you don't need to host anything. UCG Ultra only runs the UniFi Network application and the ports are different.

      1 x 2.5GbE RJ45 WAN port.
      4 x Gigabit RJ45 LAN ports.

      Purchase the UCG Max or UCG Fiber if you want more 2.5GbE ports and be able to run all the UniFi applications.

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