I noticed a bunch of recent releases don't come to Stream or Rent/Buy on Apple TV in Australia.
can't remember them all now but two would be "Bring them Down" a story about masculinity and violence on an Irish farm.
and "Sometimes I think about Dying" with Daisy Ridley. I like these types of movies, will they be banned forever?
there have been like at least 5 more. and I focus on new release movies.
I have nfi what that means. 😭
oh sorry you snuck in a edit. ok so you mean artistic freedom, from other countries, also gets filtered through?
Artistic is different. But generally, you cannot just say or do what you want (you can be sued)
ok. just wondering why these movies made in foreign countries aren't allowed for viewing.
I just remembered one more. Siberia with Willem Dafoe.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Why are you assuming that these films are banned here just because they're not available. I looked up "Sometimes I Think About Dying" on the Classification website and it doesn't look like it's ever been submitted for classification. It's possible none of these films have a local distributor.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: The higher likelihood would justbe that no distributor chose to pick them up here, likely because they didn't see it being ffinacially viable rather than any censorship reasons.
nah, p0nrhub is not censored here. all good.
If there really is a water fall in Hell, why hasn't somebody put out the flames yet?
It's the tears from the fallen soldiers of political discontent.
@Muppet Detector: Ironically they burn,burn, burn. Like a ring of fire. Or like Bill Shortens zingers.
Australia is the most over-regulated country in the world
Have you seen the UK?
Almost.
I think it has the most angst driven right wing loud-hailers, that make us believe we are over-regulated. And those loud-hailers cherry pick the regs they don't like, and ignore the real problem regs as per NT & QLD.
Nothing more than that. In fact we are under-regulated by way of zero policing and accountability on all major irreversible environmental issues
Lol so how is being underregulated not just from "left wing loud-hailers"?
@Nebargains: Because (pay attention) who (which side of politics) is it who is always making the rich richer, 'cutting red tape' (sleaze speak for anything goes for developers/miners/loggers). 3 guesses. Clue> L & N & P. The only time the right add more regs , it is about shutting down justice and whistle blowers on corruption and corporate criminality. Or signing us up to more wars. Or approving toxicly divisive money sucking operations like Adani during an election caretaker period. (How much has that nightmare cost us?)
Do you think we have such pathetic environmental and social justice outcomes because that's what the left wanted?
Do you think the left demanded a free for all for property investors and their tax perks?
Ppl spend way too much time being brainwashed on RWNJ echo chambers and believe the same baseless shit American idiots believe. Cut and paste conspiracies to Straya
@Protractor: Remind me, which party has been in government federally and across most of the states for the past 4 years (at least)?
@Protractor: Like wasting 342 million on the Yes vote (to which Australia voted No)
Or 50 billion (and increasing year on year) on NDIS
EV fringe benefit taxes
Home battery and solar subsidies (which businesses just increase the RRP and pocket the difference)
Wasting tax payer dollars on housing that never gets delivered and lining the pockets of their developer mates.
Or how bout we go back a little bit.. failed home insulation scheme
Fibre to the premise NBN (that we still don’t have to most homes)
Too far back? Or maybe we just do this week. Here’s one from today.
These are just what immediately comes to mind in 60 seconds. ALP is corrupt and incompetent as are the government workers underneath them. The LNP are no better (but they’re not in power)
@[Deactivated]: Sure, that's why they established a body that investigates all corruption, (one the LNP fought tooth and and nail to avoid) and one that you have clearly not contacted with your reams of empirical evidence of this widespread corruption.
I wonder which corrupt PM duped the world,the country and the people by hijacking 5 portfolios with zero notification, as per constitutionally required?
We're (by which I mean the (profanity) in charge in Vic) literally banning people from using national parks, using fabricated evidence, and you're stupid enough to claim were under-regulated.
@Protractor: Initially, yes, until most of them realised virtue signalling wasn't going to get them anywhere with a bureaucracy that hates them.
@CaptainJack: Wrong?
Some people shit on,wreck,cut down,vandalise,pollute,set fire to,disrespect ,plough down ,and generally ruin the access we all have to special places, by feral behaviour. Sometimes a govt acts. Most times the worst offenders whinge and moan and eventually get their way and get on with doing what they do best.
I think it's great that there are bureaucrats who have a long view over important issues, despite the fact I think they are fighting a losing battle.
Example: Almost every small local govt with 4x4 beach access is having to review the access because as usual fwits abuse the access. Then the respectful cohort pipe up. In the end the local govt has to reduce or limit access to try to undo/reduce the impacts.
Dare I mention angle grinders?
@Protractor: The bureaucrats are the ones doing the damage and you think its a good thing? How cooked are you?
It's hard to see how the parks are being protected when they are bull dozing massive trails for commercial walkers. But that's your brain on bureaucracy.
@CaptainJack: One bolt hole. You got me, there..
Collectively the worst small % fwits in 4wd do more damage your so called 'bulldozing' for walking trails. Feral horses ,protected by DHs for decades have obliterated vast swathes of NPs. Feral pigs bred and released,ditto.Feral deer running amok. Domestic cats dumped in the wild.Idiots with campfire escapes.Arsonists.And even some of the more stupid of recreational walkers,climbers etc, also contribute to shit outcomes. Even the over the top frequency, so called fuel reduction fires, that have escaped have caused massive irreversible damage. They aren't bureaucrats .These days most of them are private contractors in a burgeoning & lucrative fire industry. Billions of $$ to 'cook' the landscape.
This is what bureaucratic vandalism looks like>
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-08/nt-gunlom-falls-kakad…
But even that (above) isn't the same level of brainless, disgusting, deliberate type done by morons with spray paint and angle grinders, with regular frequency all across Australia.
But hey, you keep blaming the least harmful side of the matrix. Regulations are not over-regulation, especially if there is nobody exercising that regulation.And nobody gets held to account for the breach.
@Protractor: Way to conflate my point - have you considered a career with ParksVic? The damage isn't the bolt hole, it's the fabrication and lies used to ban legitimate user groups, user groups that care more for the park than Parks Vic themselves.
I could go on, Parks Vic employees also got caught hiring their mates do an 'independent' study of the imaginary damage. Trust the experts.
@CaptainJack: What particular actual incidents or events caused Vic Parks to act as per your scenario? I mean, was there any damage done, sacred sites damaged, vegetation damage,rubbish dumped,graffitti? Anything that triggered the reaction?
. Please don't BS about 'we was all doing the right thing and being respectful' & 'none of us ever did a fing wrong*
Funnily enough I haven't considered a job with Parks Vic. I like to keep active.Not vegetate.
Some people see things differently>
https://www.bushwalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29428
@Protractor: Ironically, the bushwalking forums changed their tune when they realised Parks Vic were going after them as well, by banning wild camping so people are forced to use the over-priced and commercialised trails. Some bush walks even got labelled as rock climbs. BANNED. Sorry bushwalkers, you have the wrong skin colour.
https://www.bushwalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=38659
https://bushwalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=39077
https://bushwalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=38659&start=…
In terms of what led to the bans, historically where Aboriginal artwork has been found, climbs that are near that artwork have been closed, and everyone's happy. Over the last 5 years, Parks Vic have decided that if 'artwork' (I use inverted commas as they have included rock chips from possible quarrying as artwork), all climbs within a several kilometre radius get banned. That was with no consultation, new bans released 4pm friday before a long weekend, lies, fabrication etc.
The good news is most (all?) of the bans aren't legally enforceable, the Parks Vic CEO is gone and the department is under review.
@CaptainJack: The point I am making, and which is likely to not have changed, is that(thankfully) there's ppl in your 'special' community who admit to the shit behaviour that leads to closures, and that those closures don't impede the past time in all locations. So it's selective outrage. My pity goes to the rest of the community who do the right thing and always pay the price for the disrespectful AHs. And how does your imagined over-regulation affect / impact you if the ban isn't 'legally enforceable'?(your words)
As to consultation, it's often a 2 edged sword. Stacked meetings,vested interests and also lies and fabrication
Gladly you don't get to be the judge as to what is significant to indigenous ppl culturally. Find somewhere else.
@Protractor: It's not selective outrage. I have no problem with closing climbs that are on or near aboriginal artwork or other sensitive areas, so long as 'near' isn't defined be a several km radius. I have no problem calling out people that would damage those areas. I also have no problem complying with bans, even if they have no legal basis, so long as their sensible and consultation isn't a one way street.
You're probably not particularly informed on the significance of these climbing areas, which is ok, but to get you up to speed - these are truly world class areas, attract tens of thousands of visitors domestically and internationally (or they did) and thanks to the economic activity, local towns are growing in population, unlike almost every other rural township.
I'm not asking to be the judge, I just want some honest consultation and sensible outcomes for all user groups. I know you're a bit of a cooker, but I genuinely cannot understand why you have a problem with that.
@CaptainJack: I'm informed enough about the pace of enviro damage across the board, and the efforts a few of the worst offenders ( not necessarily climbers) go to to express a visceral hate of anything indigenous.And destroy it accordingly.
Also I've just been reading up on a site called 'Save Grampians Climbing". Plenty of cookery comments there.
Ever since covid the human mind has devolved.The signs are everywhere.
I'm convinced you borrowed this from the traditional owners>
*You're probably not particularly informed on the significance of these climbing areas, which is ok, but to get you up to speed *
@Protractor: These bans started before covid, as I said I doubt you're up to speed, and that's ok, but it limits what could otherwise be a useful discussion.
@CaptainJack: My point stands. Covid made brains fall out of ppls arses.
Given that <2019 time frame?
Why did the climbers not cut out the middle man and negotiate directly with the traditional owners?
I have to say though, that the site I referenced indicates those sort of meaningful discussions would require a steep learning curve for some of the viewpoint owners.
@Protractor: Your point can stand (you're proof of it) but its not relevant.
Climbers tried, the aboriginal groups weren't interested as from their POV they're already getting their demands met. Not much you can do in that situation. Next question?
@CaptainJack: As I pointed out after visiting that climbers site.What I saw was pretty dismissive.
Some disrespectful,closed minded , poo-pooing and ignorance too.Maybe some TOs saw the same thing.
You could be right though, a missed opportunity. Maybe you could have cut out the middle man.
@Protractor: No shit. As I said this have been going on for like 7 years. At some point you realise you the other organisations aren't going to come to the table in good faith, and being dismissive is the appropriate reaction. Ball was in their court and they dropped it.
It's funny because climbing was a fairly left wing community, but the way that VicParks and the aboriginal groups put an end to that. Perhaps call the climbers racist bigots a few more times, I'm sure that'll work.
@CaptainJack: Not sure why you think your climbing groups would not be as % representative to racism as the broader community. Anyway as is often the case, one side of the story is a good start,eh?
I think I can can see why the boat got missed.
Not sure why you think your climbing groups would not be as % representative to racism as the broader community.
Where did I say this?
@CaptainJack: You didn't . But you mentioned someone being called racist bigots, So I mentioned there's racists everywhere. Why would your group be immune form that ?
@CaptainJack: Did I say you did ? Are you stuck in a loop, or incapable of re-reading what you, yourself wrote, or just confused?
Last sentence. You threw it in the ring>
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16771126/redir
Also for context around the discussion afoot>
https://savegrampiansclimbing.org/author/orangeoverhang/
@Protractor: It's well known that when left wing cookers don't have a good argument they fall back on the racist card. Of course, there's not necessarily any relationship between being accused of racism and being racist, so it can be safely ignored if the cooker in quesiton doesn't provide evidence, as in the present discussion.
@CaptainJack: There you go, admitting race baiting, and turning the spotlight on me. Embarrasing. No wonder you failed to negotiate a thing. You also said your community were mainly lefties.
@Protractor: No, you kept asking why climbers wouldn't be racist. No need to bring it up multiple times, you really just proved my point.
No shit sherlock, they were lefties. Not any more.
@CaptainJack: LOL.
Actually you've twisted it again. I pointed out there are racists everywhere, even in your cohort as per society generally.
they were lefties. Not any more.
These Are My Principles. If You Don’t Like Them I Have Others
@Protractor: Define everywhere. Just because there is a non-zero number of people that might be racist, doesn't make playing the racist card a valid argument - espcially when you have no evidence), nor does it justify the lies or lack of consultation. And by your logic there are racists in Parks Vic, so the accusation is meaningless (which we both know).
And yes, of course most lefties are in it for the virtue signalling and moral superiority not for the principles, hence why so many give up upon receipt of their first pay statement. Is that really news to you?
@CaptainJack: COAB, you brought it up mate. Now you're using terms like lefties,virtue signalling etc. It's not accusation it's an observation. There is (pro rata) as many racists in your group as the broader community. (yes even in PV) Or do you have a climbers policy I could read, that definitively weeds them out. UN would like a copy.
@Protractor: Its entertaining seeing you try to come up with an argument and dig yourself deeper. Go read your earlier comments, you're the first to bring up the left and right side of politics.
And great, we can agree that there's no more or no less racists in the climbing community as in broader society. So? After all this waffle, you still haven't made a point.
Bottom line, we have lying bureaucrats that can't engage in good faith. You think that's ok, and you're welcome to your views, but thankfully others have more sense and Parks Vic is getting sorted out.
@CaptainJack: Not as entertaining as looking back the other way, and reflecting honestly on the narrow minded viewpoints at the site that aligns with your language.
You must define good faith as preserving your preferred status quo.
Or your small stakeholder group assuming some sort of special status as a stakeholder. Just because.
And you (hypocritically) conflating my view as somehow supporting lying bureaucrats is noted.
If I was going to beat up on corrupt bureaucrats in Victoria, Vicforests would be my first port of call. Now that's a scam.
they were lefties. Not any more.
Makes sense. If they kept turning left they would have continued going around in circles.
Much like this "discussion" you two lads are so spiritedly engaged in :)
Kim Jong Un Would disagree
LOL then how does the US have the most laws, prisoners per capita, and police per capita on earth? Get off X
They've been conned about having "freedom".
You need to visit the US if you want to see over regulated and censored.
"The Castle" got an R rating in the US lol. All because Darryl swears twice
Ok Dr Phil.
Let's pretend it is in the presumably"democratic" world…
Switzerland says hold my beer……
Are you lying deliberately or just dont know better? https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/free…
I guess you never came across the High Court case of Momcilovic v Q (2011) where the justices ruled that any rights not Constitutionally protected could be read down.
Something about the courts being required to interpret laws in a way that are compatible with Human Rights, "so far as it is possible".
Might be worth mentioning here that it is true that Australia signed the ICCPR in the early 1970's and ratified it in 1980, with a few very minor exceptions, Australia still hasn't adopted it into domestic law, meaning it's not directly enforceable in Australian courts without specific enabling legislation.
Whilst examples are limited, off the top of my head I can think of
Human Rights (sexual conduct) Act 1994,
Racial Hatred Act 1995 (Article 20), and
Torture Prohibition and Death Penalty Abolition Act 2010.
Not a lot of compliance considering that Treaty is about 50 odd articles in length, but only one of the nine which make up the entire body of international Human Rights Laws.
The major players for Aust are
ICCPR Article 20 (prohibits war propaganda and racial hatred).
We do acknowledge Articles 19, 21 and 22 (collectively addressing public order and discrimination) but only kind of absorbed them into Article 20 because we've interpreted them to already be represented in pre existing legislation.
ICCPR Article 19 (Freedom of Expression) - essentially a watered down legal fiction that sounds good but doesn't really exist. For example, legislation such as Racial Discrimination Act 1975, blatantly contradicts and over rides the Article and is only one example, which collectively, creates an over arching framework that imposes strict limitations on those implied freedoms that we incorrectly believe that we have.
So, want to have a shot at choosing alternatives
to "deliberate lying" or "don't know any better" that have even a small semblance of truth because it seems that on this occasion, you're looking a little bit silly right about now and Alex knows more about this than you apparently do.
FFS, if you didn't turn up the day they taught law at law school, at least have the courtesy to have a go at Google before your brain lets your fingers loose in public!
LMAO that's a lot of words to prove we do in fact have common law freedom of speech, and to prove you have no clue that nowhere on earth is freedom of speech absolute. I guess youre just a detector made of muppet.
I essentially agree with all of this.
But I would also note that every Explanatory Memorandum must contain a "Statement of Compatibility with Human Rights" which includes the ICCPR. However, as an almost completely dualism state it is the prerogative of the parliament should they wish to breach it.
So compliance with the treaty for new laws is assessed frequently. As you point out is frequently openly breach where there is a self determined higher good that comes from the bill.
FOS is about speaking to power (typically the govt) without reprisals.
Seems to be plenty of that in Australia.
Although, it would nice to have some decent whistle blower protections.
ok. well I actually watched a movie on a "censorship worker" once.
so bunch of people have to sit around in a room and watch them 1 by 1 before they discuss whether if/what to censor or not. great yeah it will be awhile.
I mean here's an idea. maybe put a popup warning after you tap and before the movie streams "the following contains horrific depictions of agony, brutality and abominations of a sexual nature and is not recommended for viewing" and "are you sure you want to proceed?" to protect the sensitive people??
I was able to watch "Antichrist" btw. which wasn't exactly great, idk over the top violent, just dragged out and was so obscure. so not sure why that was fine. I like movies like Martyrs. which I also was able to watch.
I remember watching stuff when I was growing up in the 70's that would not be allowed on TV now.
The classification varies over time and appears to be at the moment very very conservative to the determent of the public as we do not get to see some content that is normal in Europe.
Games have had the same classification problems.
Gilligan's Island?
"The classification varies over time and appears to be at the moment very very conservative to the determent of the public as we do not get to see some content that is normal in Europe."
Such as? Name one movie recently denied classification that we are missing out on.
You might want to find a more authoritative source than the notoriously inflammatory John Kehoe and the heavily right-wing biased AFR before drawing any conclusions.
That isn’t a conclusion it’s a fact based on empirical data.
The AFR is an independent media source.
@[Deactivated]: The reason for your downvotes is not based on anything but your own assumptions.
At least Kehoe had some basis to his statements, even if he's a partisan hack who clearly writes his opinion before looking for statistics to support them.
@klaw81: Have you ever done anything with the government that you thought? Gee, that was efficient.
As someone that your tax dollars pays for maybe I do have some first hand experience with the government and multiple government departments. But sure, blindly spew what you want.
@[Deactivated]: The biggest tax payer money parasites and sponges in the public sector are the contractors.
@Protractor: You have personally paid my wages through your taxes and doesn’t that just make you smile?
You’re part of the solution where everyone is supported.
@[Deactivated]: Yes, I know. You've already admitted it on the forums multiple times,now. You're but one of many contractor parasites, feeding off the public service carcass. But in your case you spend a lot of time condemning the model. It's a lot like fiscal necrophilia.
@Protractor: Admitted to working? Hardly a parasite.
Yes, I do condemn the spend. Have a look for yourself, there’s bargains to be had everywhere.
@[Deactivated]: No you can't keep hiding under the same rock. You have admitted to being a contractor who works (????LOL) within ( and profit from) tax payer money in a public service environment.You're on the teat,bro. In fact if you were to believed, you spend all day watching other people workHow ironic..
Would you like to cut and paste a half a dozen examples of your appraisals? (Silly me. No that won't do. That would be you getting someone else to do your work. Or an act of non productive repetition)
@Protractor: I admit I work and earn money.
Rock? Appraisals?
You’ve dropped your crack pipe sweetheart
@[Deactivated]: Nah, you're a burden on the tax payer.. You've admitted yourself you happily and proudly bludge on tax payers. You even brag about it. It pleases you that you get away with it.
You've admitted it multiple times, now. Then (pfft) you resort to your usual infantile slurs. Predictable.
Like I said the biggest parasitic cohort in govt , are the bludging contractors. Well done, you.
Stream or Rent/Buy on Apple TV
bro its easier to just pirate anything then stream it these days
this might surprise you but I know nothing about gaming or computers.
I have never had a purpose for a VPN as some say. and that requires subscription too.
also to the idiots who keep telling me "you can make your own VPN for free" NO YOU CAN'T.
I looked it up a VPN at home, and a VPN app with subscription are two different things. one (which is not free btw you need a mini PC) is for accessing your Wifi from anywhere in the world. the other one that everyone says you need, allows you to "be anywhere in the world" from home. two different things.
I have no purpose for a vpn either, yet I pirate like 5-10 shows a week.
if you don't have a vpn (although google does offer one for pixel devices for free and there are other ones but remember your internet data is going through these, so please only use trusted ones and for legitimate, legal purposes and do not use for your banking or other sensitive purposes), what might work is using a free web proxy - it's a site where you enter the URL and it routes you through to that site in the chosen country.
So, for instance, you might want to look at something in the USA on mubi and you might find https://www.croxyproxy.net/ - I had to go through about ten different proxies before I could find this one that would work with mubi though, and that's the problem - free web proxies have problems with sites, and often don't work.
Anyway, enter mubi.com into the search bar on that page and you might after about 10 seconds get the US login to Mubi… however when you try to log in, you might get an error message… so it's really frustrating. and if you don't know a lot about how the internet works, it's going to be even more frustrating.
Speaking of which, I've just tried to log in using my vpn - mubi won't even load as it detects the VPN prior to login. So you're going to have to do a lot of research to find out about Mubi and VPN's etc if that's a path you choose
ok thanks. I mean it's not really a huge deal.
it's just I don't have the time to play games, and my youtube recommendations has turned into slop (I take responsibility for this) just offensive meme video after meme video, car crashes and law enforcement bodycam videos.
so movies are the only decent form or entertainment I have right now.
it's ok I'm willing to wait and see, like some suggested it's just a licensing issue.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Apple is pretty protective of their image, and I wouldn't be surprised if they censor what's offered on their platforms.
I wouldn't call anything that allows data to go through Google, truly free.
I noticed a bunch of recent releases don't come to Stream or Rent/Buy on Apple TV in Australia.
I have never had a purpose for a VPN
Well now I think you do..
Use the public library WiFi, download droid torrent and watch that movie download, or you can just use obs to screen record it that's just crazy 🤣
i remeber when they censored left 4 dead 2
had to hack it for blood
lolz
I imported my physical disc from from the UK. My how times change.
Yes there is no bill of rights in Australia. So there is no “freedom of speech” in Australia