I noticed a bunch of recent releases don't come to Stream or Rent/Buy on Apple TV in Australia.
can't remember them all now but two would be "Bring them Down" a story about masculinity and violence on an Irish farm.
and "Sometimes I think about Dying" with Daisy Ridley. I like these types of movies, will they be banned forever?
there have been like at least 5 more. and I focus on new release movies.
I have nfi what that means. 😭
oh sorry you snuck in a edit. ok so you mean artistic freedom, from other countries, also gets filtered through?
Artistic is different. But generally, you cannot just say or do what you want (you can be sued)
ok. just wondering why these movies made in foreign countries aren't allowed for viewing.
I just remembered one more. Siberia with Willem Dafoe.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Why are you assuming that these films are banned here just because they're not available. I looked up "Sometimes I Think About Dying" on the Classification website and it doesn't look like it's ever been submitted for classification. It's possible none of these films have a local distributor.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: The higher likelihood would justbe that no distributor chose to pick them up here, likely because they didn't see it being ffinacially viable rather than any censorship reasons.
If there really is a water fall in Hell, why hasn't somebody put out the flames yet?
It's the tears from the fallen soldiers of political discontent.
@Muppet Detector: Ironically they burn,burn, burn. Like a ring of fire. Or like Bill Shortens zingers.
Australia is the most over-regulated country in the world
Have you seen the UK?
Almost.
I think it has the most angst driven right wing loud-hailers, that make us believe we are over-regulated. And those loud-hailers cherry pick the regs they don't like, and ignore the real problem regs as per NT & QLD.
Nothing more than that. In fact we are under-regulated by way of zero policing and accountability on all major irreversible environmental issues
Lol so how is being underregulated not just from "left wing loud-hailers"?
@Nebargains: Because (pay attention) who (which side of politics) is it who is always making the rich richer, 'cutting red tape' (sleaze speak for anything goes for developers/miners/loggers). 3 guesses. Clue> L & N & P. The only time the right add more regs , it is about shutting down justice and whistle blowers on corruption and corporate criminality. Or signing us up to more wars. Or approving toxicly divisive money sucking operations like Adani during an election caretaker period. (How much has that nightmare cost us?)
Do you think we have such pathetic environmental and social justice outcomes because that's what the left wanted?
Do you think the left demanded a free for all for property investors and their tax perks?
Ppl spend way too much time being brainwashed on RWNJ echo chambers and believe the same baseless shit American idiots believe. Cut and paste conspiracies to Straya
Kim Jong Un Would disagree
LOL then how does the US have the most laws, prisoners per capita, and police per capita on earth? Get off X
They've been conned about having "freedom".
You need to visit the US if you want to see over regulated and censored.
"The Castle" got an R rating in the US lol. All because Darryl swears twice
Ok Dr Phil.
Let's pretend it is in the presumably"democratic" world…
Switzerland says hold my beer……
Are you lying deliberately or just dont know better? https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/rights-and-freedoms/free…
I guess you never came across the High Court case of Momcilovic v Q (2011) where the justices ruled that any rights not Constitutionally protected could be read down.
Something about the courts being required to interpret laws in a way that are compatible with Human Rights, "so far as it is possible".
Might be worth mentioning here that it is true that Australia signed the ICCPR in the early 1970's and ratified it in 1980, with a few very minor exceptions, Australia still hasn't adopted it into domestic law, meaning it's not directly enforceable in Australian courts without specific enabling legislation.
Whilst examples are limited, off the top of my head I can think of
Human Rights (sexual conduct) Act 1994,
Racial Hatred Act 1995 (Article 20), and
Torture Prohibition and Death Penalty Abolition Act 2010.
Not a lot of compliance considering that Treaty is about 50 odd articles in length, but only one of the nine which make up the entire body of international Human Rights Laws.
The major players for Aust are
ICCPR Article 20 (prohibits war propaganda and racial hatred).
We do acknowledge Articles 19, 21 and 22 (collectively addressing public order and discrimination) but only kind of absorbed them into Article 20 because we've interpreted them to already be represented in pre existing legislation.
ICCPR Article 19 (Freedom of Expression) - essentially a watered down legal fiction that sounds good but doesn't really exist. For example, legislation such as Racial Discrimination Act 1975, blatantly contradicts and over rides the Article and is only one example, which collectively, creates an over arching framework that imposes strict limitations on those implied freedoms that we incorrectly believe that we have.
So, want to have a shot at choosing alternatives
to "deliberate lying" or "don't know any better" that have even a small semblance of truth because it seems that on this occasion, you're looking a little bit silly right about now and Alex knows more about this than you apparently do.
FFS, if you didn't turn up the day they taught law at law school, at least have the courtesy to have a go at Google before your brain lets your fingers loose in public!
LMAO that's a lot of words to prove we do in fact have common law freedom of speech, and to prove you have no clue that nowhere on earth is freedom of speech absolute. I guess youre just a detector made of muppet.
ok. well I actually watched a movie on a "censorship worker" once.
so bunch of people have to sit around in a room and watch them 1 by 1 before they discuss whether if/what to censor or not. great yeah it will be awhile.
I mean here's an idea. maybe put a popup warning after you tap and before the movie streams "the following contains horrific depictions of agony, brutality and abominations of a sexual nature and is not recommended for viewing" and "are you sure you want to proceed?" to protect the sensitive people??
I was able to watch "Antichrist" btw. which wasn't exactly great, idk over the top violent, just dragged out and was so obscure. so not sure why that was fine. I like movies like Martyrs. which I also was able to watch.
I remember watching stuff when I was growing up in the 70's that would not be allowed on TV now.
The classification varies over time and appears to be at the moment very very conservative to the determent of the public as we do not get to see some content that is normal in Europe.
Games have had the same classification problems.
Gilligan's Island?
"The classification varies over time and appears to be at the moment very very conservative to the determent of the public as we do not get to see some content that is normal in Europe."
Such as? Name one movie recently denied classification that we are missing out on.
You might want to find a more authoritative source than the notoriously inflammatory John Kehoe and the heavily right-wing biased AFR before drawing any conclusions.
That isn’t a conclusion it’s a fact based on empirical data.
The AFR is an independent media source.
@alexdagr8: The reason for your downvotes is not based on anything but your own assumptions.
At least Kehoe had some basis to his statements, even if he's a partisan hack who clearly writes his opinion before looking for statistics to support them.
@klaw81: Have you ever done anything with the government that you thought? Gee, that was efficient.
As someone that your tax dollars pays for maybe I do have some first hand experience with the government and multiple government departments. But sure, blindly spew what you want.
@alexdagr8: The biggest tax payer money parasites and sponges in the public sector are the contractors.
@Protractor: You have personally paid my wages through your taxes and doesn’t that just make you smile?
You’re part of the solution where everyone is supported.
@alexdagr8: Yes, I know. You've already admitted it on the forums multiple times,now. You're but one of many contractor parasites, feeding off the public service carcass. But in your case you spend a lot of time condemning the model. It's a lot like fiscal necrophilia.
@Protractor: Admitted to working? Hardly a parasite.
Yes, I do condemn the spend. Have a look for yourself, there’s bargains to be had everywhere.
@alexdagr8: No you can't keep hiding under the same rock. You have admitted to being a contractor who works (????LOL) within ( and profit from) tax payer money in a public service environment.You're on the teat,bro. In fact if you were to believed, you spend all day watching other people workHow ironic..
Would you like to cut and paste a half a dozen examples of your appraisals? (Silly me. No that won't do. That would be you getting someone else to do your work. Or an act of non productive repetition)
@Protractor: I admit I work and earn money.
Rock? Appraisals?
You’ve dropped your crack pipe sweetheart
@alexdagr8: Nah, you're a burden on the tax payer.. You've admitted yourself you happily and proudly bludge on tax payers. You even brag about it. It pleases you that you get away with it.
You've admitted it multiple times, now. Then (pfft) you resort to your usual infantile slurs. Predictable.
Like I said the biggest parasitic cohort in govt , are the bludging contractors. Well done, you.
@Protractor: I am definitely proud of what I earn at your expense - it’s hilarious!
You personally paid my wages! Thankyou protractor :)
you’re not intelligent enough to realise that you’ve also made my point for me.
@alexdagr8: Then (pfft) you resort to your usual infantile slurs gutless trolling. Predictable.
You can eat the bikkie now.
@Protractor: better than someone that contributes nothing and tries to find flaws in everything - I at least have a viewpoint.
Almost scientific in your formula - forgettable
Stream or Rent/Buy on Apple TV
bro its easier to just pirate anything then stream it these days
this might surprise you but I know nothing about gaming or computers.
I have never had a purpose for a VPN as some say. and that requires subscription too.
also to the idiots who keep telling me "you can make your own VPN for free" NO YOU CAN'T.
I looked it up a VPN at home, and a VPN app with subscription are two different things. one (which is not free btw you need a mini PC) is for accessing your Wifi from anywhere in the world. the other one that everyone says you need, allows you to "be anywhere in the world" from home. two different things.
I have no purpose for a vpn either, yet I pirate like 5-10 shows a week.
if you don't have a vpn (although google does offer one for pixel devices for free and there are other ones but remember your internet data is going through these, so please only use trusted ones and for legitimate, legal purposes and do not use for your banking or other sensitive purposes), what might work is using a free web proxy - it's a site where you enter the URL and it routes you through to that site in the chosen country.
So, for instance, you might want to look at something in the USA on mubi and you might find https://www.croxyproxy.net/ - I had to go through about ten different proxies before I could find this one that would work with mubi though, and that's the problem - free web proxies have problems with sites, and often don't work.
Anyway, enter mubi.com into the search bar on that page and you might after about 10 seconds get the US login to Mubi… however when you try to log in, you might get an error message… so it's really frustrating. and if you don't know a lot about how the internet works, it's going to be even more frustrating.
Speaking of which, I've just tried to log in using my vpn - mubi won't even load as it detects the VPN prior to login. So you're going to have to do a lot of research to find out about Mubi and VPN's etc if that's a path you choose
ok thanks. I mean it's not really a huge deal.
it's just I don't have the time to play games, and my youtube recommendations has turned into slop (I take responsibility for this) just offensive meme video after meme video, car crashes and law enforcement bodycam videos.
so movies are the only decent form or entertainment I have right now.
it's ok I'm willing to wait and see, like some suggested it's just a licensing issue.
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm: Apple is pretty protective of their image, and I wouldn't be surprised if they censor what's offered on their platforms.
I wouldn't call anything that allows data to go through Google, truly free.
I noticed a bunch of recent releases don't come to Stream or Rent/Buy on Apple TV in Australia.
I have never had a purpose for a VPN
Well now I think you do..
Use the public library WiFi, download droid torrent and watch that movie download, or you can just use obs to screen record it that's just crazy 🤣
i remeber when they censored left 4 dead 2
had to hack it for blood
lolz
I imported my physical disc from from the UK. My how times change.
The censoring really ruined that game for me on PC
How do you know they have the rights to sell or rent these titles?
Bring them down was "Coming to Mubi on May XXth" but a few days before it was pulled from release.
not sure what you mean "they" I am talking about all streaming services. some that never come to stream, are still available to rent/buy on Apple TV. but in this case none of them ever become available anywhere.
And don’t even get me started on not being able to stream The Room anywhere! Blasphemy!
I wouldn't dare, given that you can watch it from the Internet Archive - https://archive.org/details/theroom2003
pretty sure I found that one on youtube without ads.
it's all about timing on youtube though because they regularly take them down.
I'm not sure about your question but I know that OzBargain is known to be heavy on bargains…
@n3ck3ntry8bort0rgasm ..
Prob more due to licencing rights - eg. Why available on Apple tv, and not on others.
Money talks … Sadly.
And with that FTV - is dying a slow death (even terms of sport).
This is the correct answer. Nothing to do with censorship, everything to do with geo-restricted distribution rights, copyright, commercial decisions.
This will only get worse as distribution of content is more concentrated in the hands of a few multinationals like Netflix, who can also revoke access at any time. A simple Google search will reveal how many titles used to be available in Australia via Netflix but they have removed for commercial and other reasons.
ok so netflix out bids all others, and pushes back release date for 6~12 months, got it.
there is DEFINITELY some censorship, just look at Steam and Itch.io
plus EVERYTHING else Collective Shout (Christian Australian Womens Org) is going after
Spot on with the last part.
Collective Shout ( screaming banshees) are just a bunch of parasites on weak minded ppl and predators of tax payers money. A bunch of interfering southern baptist types, wanting to control everyone elses lives. They have tentacles into govts and use their influence to drive policy.
They do their best to hide as much as they can about their roots and agenda to fly under the radar of ppl knowing their church /religious affiliations. That way they can dupe more ppl.
Is Australia Known to Be Heavy on Censorship
If Australia is heavy on censorship and they censor that they are heavy on censorship would we even know if Australia is heavy on censorship? We live in our own little bubble of "she'll be right, mate" (it's the only part of the Australian identity left after 40 years of open flood gates and mindless brainwashing).
Lets put it this way, we didn’t get Mortal Kombat 9 on release because we didn’t have an R18+ rating.
In terms of video games, yes. The South Park games all had censored scenes, which the devs replaced with images of a crying koala, didgeridoo sounds and a text description of what was happening on screen.
https://youtu.be/2C8QK3yr8OI?si=OLUi92vQWPeTUWmz
A number of other games were banned in Australia.
You think that because a movie isn't available on a streaming service in Australia it has been banned. Get a grip.
"Sometimes I Think About Dying is a 2023 American romantic comedy drama film directed by Rachel Lambert."
Romantic comedies - they are the worst. Ban them all!
Never would I have associated a movie called "Sometimes I Think About Dying" with a romantic comedy.
Sure, I'm familiar with dark humour and the notion that "romance is dead", but I was really thinking that movie was going to be about suicide ideation.
dont judge a book/movie by it's cover/title.
If something like the Terrifier and Midsommar is allowed in, I'm sure the movies you mentioned aren't streamed because it's banned. More likely to do with distribution rights and $$$.
art the clown has rizz though. 💀
Meanwhile, cannot buy Japanese made mayonnaise 'cause it have too many eggs in it.
Then censorship, why not.
The ones from Coles and Woolies made in Thailand.
Go to Asian Groceries
https://syd.jfconline.com.au/products/kewpie-mayonnaise-mild…
Made in Japan.
Thanks, I knew that.
Unfortunately I cannot read Japanese so not sure what "Mild" actually means.
Regardless, it is rather obscene the government decides what mayonnaise we can consume.
Suspiciously there are not restrictions for grog … just labels …
Like you said, it's restricted because of egg content.most likely restricted for the same reason why you can't bring meat, fruit etc into Australia.
100% nothing to do with censorship!
Streaming site have to pay for bringing particular movies or shows here.
There are shows that are family oriented, kid shows or foreign that dont come here that have nothing controversial in them at all.
Its about money thats it.
It's not censorship, they're just not licensed to your preferred streaming services in the Australian market.
depends on what you mean by censorship and compared to what other countries…
but if we're talking about movies and viewing them, it used to be that the Australian Classification Board (and its review function) maintained a very tight leash on what was allowed to be seen, and sold. It also has a huge influence over what can be made - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Australia
So, no X rated films can be legally made in Australia, R rated films (and video games) have to be very… careful not to mix sex with violence - hard core violence is fine, but the moment anything erotic is added, the ACB is likely to get involved. If something gets an X rating, it can't be sold in most states (I think) and R rated media is often precluded from sale in places where kids are likely to frequent. That said, go to a JB's and you'll find a lot, but I imagine staff are trained in asking for ID because the penalties are similar to selling cigarettes to underage people. The ACB was also highly political, especially about 20 years ago, when the Howard govt depended on the votes of a few arch-conservatives in Tasmania; they would often refer movies to the board for review and for review of its review. Margaret Pomerantz was famously arrested for trying to screen Ken Park in the early 2000s - there's a loophole where films can be shown at festivals without having to be submitted for formal rating by the ACB, but the Sydney Film Festival (I think) withdrew Ken Park after it started getting tabloid attention. You will also find that most adult sites are not hosted in Australia due to huge pressure to shut down financial transactions (so censorship by other means), and that has recently occufred with Steam - https://leveluptalk.com/news/steam-censorship-80-games-austr…
The internet has changed a lot of this; you were talking above about Mubi. I don't know if Mubi can advertise films… the ACB itself has said that the laws it works from are out of date - they were last reviewed in 2012 - https://www.gadgetguy.com.au/australia-national-media-classi…
The board would like the power to change its ratings as well - https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/straight-out-of-or…
Mubi is based overseas; I would think that the only way pressure could be applied would be by shutting down its servers here in Australia, but a VPN would get around that easily and you will often find different movies listed for different countries - using a VPN to look at the UK's or USA's offerings on MUBI often shows a completely different range.
As for specifics, Bring Them Down doesn't appear to be available for streaming in Australia, but that could be due to distribution issues. It screened at the Sydney Film Festival, and it's fairly recent, so whoever gets rights might be planning a small release in the arthouse cinemas before it goes online. The DVD is available via amazon but it's an international version.
It's quite difficult to find out what's been refused classification because the Board itself can be cagey about releasing the list, given that it may encourage people to seek out the materials in other ways. This list shows what films have been refused or have been reclassified - https://www.refused-classification.com/censorship-timelines/…
TLDR - if something has been refused classification and reviewed and refused again, it's unable to be sold, screened, or hosted in Australia but that doesn't necessarily prevent someone from viewing it. It would take a completely different explanation to discuss the differences between laws regarding production/sales/screening/promotion and laws regarding viewing, and some of them are very nuanced.
As for specifics, Bring Them Down doesn't appear to be available for streaming in Australia, but that could be due to distribution issues. It screened at the Sydney Film Festival, and it's fairly recent, so whoever gets rights might be planning a small release in the arthouse cinemas before it goes online. The DVD is available via amazon but it's an international version.
ok thanks didn't know any of that useful. likely just licensing issue. delaying the release. I just expected Sometimes I think about dying to be available by now, at least to Rent on Apple TV.
Neither of these films are banned.
Both are easily watched with a search on my tv.
Neither of these things have been censored, the streaming service likely doesn't want to pay for the rights in this country as they don't believe there is a business case for it.
Not sure why you have given me that link.
Aimed at your comment - yes, Australia bans some content (inline with the original post)
For those interested, those are some of the films banned in Australia and refused classification.
There are also books (the anarchists cookbook 1971 and specifically chapter 18)
And music records as well.
@alexdagr8: I think you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said that the two movies OP mentioned were not banned. I didn't say Australia doesn't ban movies.
These kind of discussions always suck because you end up having to stick up for degens and paedos if you give any sort of a damn about individual rights.
Are we suddenly talking about the Rc church again?
Well, it makes a change from talking about the other billionaire paedophile club.
Yes there is no bill of rights in Australia. So there is no “freedom of speech” in Australia