ATL (by 99c … but this is OzBargain) on the 8 core 4 bay with 32GB RAM Pro unit - other specs appear to be similarly discounted
Features include 4 SATA bays, 2x M.2 NVMe PCIe 3.0 x1 SSD slots, 2x 2.5GbE LAN ports, USB-A & USB-C 3.2 Gen2 10Gbps ports and HDMI 2.0b (for command input on TOS).
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Me too, love it. Running Unraid.
i have a QNAP TS-433 works well at 2.5g speeds how much better woudl thsi one be?
Normal IT tech gets cheaper over time. That doesn't seem to happen for NAS, they're going up if anything…
these were $1099 at release
hmm, I wonder why. 🏴☠️
What do you guys think, this or QNAP TS-464?
I would get the QNAP as a turnkey solution or this if you’re happy putting a different OS on it like Unraid or TrueNAS.
I’ve heard Terramasyer OS/TOS is getting better, but I wouldn’t trust it with my data.
I have a 464 and have zero complaints about buying it except that it requires a little bit of technical knowledge to set up containers, but today is the 3 year anniversary of a deal I posted for it: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/719610
You struggle to buy one for under $1k these days… Bit surprised it hasn't been bettered yet,
Here's a discussion about QNAP doing very little in the consumer market in recent years.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBXbv5ZXUnw
Around the 10m mark ot says a follow up to the 464 should be released in the first half of 2026.
LOL. just get an aoostar wtr max or n5 NAS pro if you have a little more cash- up to 11 drives, has a CPU that you can actually do stuff with (double as fast), can expand the memory.
(though i admit that these do cost closer to that 1K mark with no RAM and OS.) - i still think these units are somewhat over priced…
If cost is a concern build your own.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16734667/redir
or
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16719282/redir
again far more powerful
heck attach one of the mini PCs to a USB 4 enclosure… will still be half as much.
No one in 2025 should be wasting so much on a i3-N305, with only 4 bays when for less than half the price you can build your own and purchase unraid which basically removes the plug and play of these NAS units.
the time of qnap, TerraMaster, synology is over. They are crazy expensive for what they offer.
this is ozbargains, these units are not bargains by any stretch.
A Mini PC + DAS sounds like the cheapest way to go, but I've read a DAS over USB can mean big trouble if there's a power outage or dodgy USB connection, versus a NAS (whether custom or pre-built) in the same scenario. Have you got any info or experience on that?
Some of the RAID cards have a battery which can help here, there are also safeties built into ZFS.
best bet is to just get a ups though, which is what i have.
funny i was literally just reading a comment here for that.
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/16735102/redir
but yes, as per above, I agree. mini PC with some type of storage, these things (brand name NAS) are crazy expensive for what they offer, and just no flexibility.
If I was going to do a mini pc + DAS, I'd grab a mini pc with oculink, run that to the enclosure, then either use a splitter cable directly to SATA/SAS, or attach a regular HBA via PCIe adapter.
That way you're avoiding extra protocols like USB and should have JBOD exposed directly, with 4 lanes of bandwidth.
My orico usb disk array pisses me off because when it loses power it defaults to the off state,
So you have to press the pesky power button to turn it on :(
A little thing but was so annoying when i was travelling and wanted to access it.
I wouldn't call that a little thing, can you set the power in bios so it turns on daily?
@wisc: doesnt have bios just a hardware device switch for jbod and array no more config a very basic thing
Any recommendations for a DAS? Currently have a nuc as a mini lab and need more storage. Terramaster D2?
This obviously isn’t a product for you, but not everybody wants to build a NAS. These are clean, minimal, and simple to set up. You don’t have to buy a pc, configure it, attach various parts, setup software, etc to save a few bucks. Also these look nicer on your shelf as opposed to budget hack NAS!
ahhh, so i see you didn't look at the aoostar, n5 pro nas or the JONSBO N4 case…
you can buy the aoostar and n5 pro completely configured with hardware.
yes, I am not the target audience, as i want a machine that offers value and features i guess.
Any recommendations on DAS if you already have a mini PC running everything? I worry USB will not be fast enough for certain media streaming etc.
I was a loyal Synology guy for years, onto my 3rd NAS from them but it's the end of the road, not only because of their HDD policies but look at the competition out now, hardware blows them away for half the price and the big brands no longer have that software edge they once had, at least the gap has closed or not justified by the price difference.
In short, 100% agree with you.
I'm trying to implement this and only thing that stops me whether to have USB connector in the middle or not
nice deal!!
Does anyone have advice for a smaller setup? I was looking into replacing my aging Nuc 11th Gen with a 2bay NAS but seems like CPU's are quite outdated on most NAS setups except for the higher end models.
I was looking into Asustor AS5402T with a N5105 with decent expandability and a few hundred cheaper than this. Other option was ugreen with N150's, but I don't think they would have decent local support.
will be used for Proxmox with a few VM's and containers (HA, Omada controller, Immich, Frigate etc)
quite a few mini PCs with a decent amount of hdd slots:
https://www.amazon.com.au/AOOSTAR-WTR-PRO-Support-Interface/…
here is the aoostar list of NAS which may be suitable depending on how many hdds your after/
https://aoostar.com/collections/nas-series
if running vms and proxmox, i wouldn't get one of the N class chips. unless its only very light loads your running.
Thanks for that, at this point im not sure how willing I am to trust those brands. I've had minisforum/beelink/GMKTec before - but always worry around 24/7 reliability.
yeah, thats fair enough, i guess thats why i'm looking into a great backup strategy.
I see your point though, my hp gen 8 microserver has now lasted about 12 years and still going (2013). It will be interesting to see what lifespan this unit provides… specially considering how much more expensive it is than a micro server. The amd chip should be ok, however, with a custom motherboard, this does introduce some of the unknown.
@wisc: Would love to hear more about your backup strateg please. I currently run a very primitive homelab on a busted old laptop, but planning on upgrading to the WTR Max, and use it as pathway to get out of paying for cloud storage subscriptions, but I would also need to come up with a satisfactory backup strategy.
@poppingtags: 1) so i have my current HP Micro server, that will be used as a main backup server moving forward.
2) I will also plug a USB drive into the aoostar server, and back some things up there.
my main PC will also host all my photos.
for offsite I was thinking about plugging in an 8TB USB drive into NUC at the inlaws down the road… either that or just have 2x 8GB drives and rotate them offsite.
that should do it really.
so pretty simple in the grand scheme of things.
i was thinking about azure glacier, but the pricing seems complex. moving things into the cloud, moving things out of the cloud, monthly storage, retreival costs.
If you want a substantially smaller device and have moderate storage/compute needs perhaps an nvme-only nas would be worth a look?
F6-424 is also on sale. This unit is more than capable with more storage space, best for raid 5.
Please be careful - their products don't work properly and their support is useless
I recently bought a basic F2-212 NAS (two bay, 1GB RAM, 1Gb/s ethernet), for light home use and backing up to OneDrive. I installed brand new drives.
1) installation was a mess. It wants to download its OS during setup, but installation failed catastrophically when the download timed out. It did not recover from that. I had to muck about to reset everything and eventually did a manual install from a USB drive.
2) Drives would never spin down. Ever. By my calculations, this was going to cost me at least $60/year in electricity, since most of the time it wouldn't have anything to do. I contacted their supposed "24/7 support". Sure, you can contact them 24/7, but have to wait for days for a technician to be available. I had to stay at home for them to diagnose remotely. He was late. He spent an hour mucking about, before issuing a command to force the drive to sleep, saying "see, the drive can sleep, there is no issue". Yeah, except your OS doesn't trigger this, so the head_fly_time equals power-on time.
3) After upgrading my internet connection, I tried setting up OneDrive. It failed. I did some research, and saw others had the same issue. I contacted support. They said "Our lab has not replicated the issue you describe". I pointed them to the forum showing others had this. They asked "did you follow the resolution provided there?". "Uhm, you did not provide them with a resolution". They asked me to organise another technician appointment, but I said before I waste more time with them and hand over all my passwords, can you check whether this version of the OS actually supports OneDrive? The answer: "That issue is not resolved yet. Please consider updating to the newest Beta version". Yeah, I'm going to run beta software on a new NAS.
So in summary: does not work properly, advertised features not available, and useless support who can't solve issues but pretend they did.
I returned it to Amazon.
Most people who get a TerraMaster often change the OS to TrueNas or Unraid. So we only get the NAS because it's cheap for what it offers. If you're looking for more turnkey solutions, you'd probably stick with the well known ones like QNAP or Synology
That's a fair comment, though it doesn't change the fact that the product should do what is advertised, and that their support should know what they're doing. If people just want cheap hardware, I'd argue there might be better options.
Nobody with a brain is buying synology anymore. This coming from the owner of 3 synology nas's
Yeah, I did consider Synology, but newer models require Synology drives. The older models just aren't good value for money anymore, and don't go on special much.
I just replaced my Terramaster with an Asustor AS3302T V2, and for a little bit more $ than a Synology DS223J, it seems to provide a lot more bang for buck, including 2.5Gbit ethernet and twice the RAM.
Ah, missed it. Out of stock.
Good! Get an aoostar wtr max or minisforun n5 pro nas. They are so much better than this junk.
I mostly want it as a Plex server with media transcoding. The AMD processors that both of those have are much more powerful than the N305, but seem hit and miss transcoding. And their extra power is largely wasted on my needs. Most of my connections aren't even wired.
I've had a QNAP with 4*3b drives installed for about 12 years. It's worked fine as storage, but can't do some of what I want, and is limited to 16tb max. I'm sure I could work out how to set-up Unraid or TrueNas, I've built my own PC's. But it sounds like a hobby to tinker with, when what I want is an appliance.
that's actually a pretty good argument… I have read that there shouldn't be much issues with the AMD, but yeah, if the intel/nvidia is better supported, then its better suited for your needs. Just urks me that they are practically the same price, and they are worlds apart in terms of performance.
if you did get one of the AMDs, seeing as you have the power, might as well make a home lab, and do a few more things, couch potato, few other useful aps perhaps? Immich phot backup, google home assist, get rid of your router and make a pfsense router.
but yeah, fair point.
I have this NAS and rate it