Member deal + 15% today.
For those who love peated smoky Scotch whisky.
Thanks to @sssboi for pointing this out
Member deal + 15% today.
For those who love peated smoky Scotch whisky.
Thanks to @sssboi for pointing this out
Did this pop up in your search alert for 'smokes'? 😄
I guess the logic that OZB are using is that alcohol advertisements are allowed (on TV etc), while cigarette ads aren't. That still doesn't make it right.
Everyone's moral compass differs. But ozbargain needs to abide by the law of the land and its owners' moral compass.
Feel free to PM me any legal cigarette deals you may have.
Absolutely, avoid unless you like drinking whisky that tastes and smells like smoke - this is one peaty dram!
Would be pointless anyway as black market ciggies are going to be <25% of the price of anything legal.
Not to mention dildos and vapes. All the good stuff in life.
Ridiculous that sex toys are banned due to being 18+ but liquor is also 18+ ?? Where's the logic?
Sex toys are banned? That explains the condom threads.
Wait.. do smokes go on sale?! We can start our own smokes bargain website and cash in the profits!
I still don't understand
Don't bother too much….
That is what all of society is and does. I think of a society as a group of people united in an agreed upon collection of values, with most of them being completely arbitrary, inconsistent, and illogical, and the adherents of which are usually unable to coherently explain why they espouse said values. All of us are hypocrites.
I can't remember the source, reddit probably, but I copied it to my proverbs collection the moment I saw it.
I guess i'll answer your question in a serious way, which will address the claim that they're "just as bad as each other" which will be my point of contention.
So I'm not misconstrued I'll openly admit that alcohol, especially excess consumption of it can be very detrimental to your health. So please don't think i am saying otherwise, yes, it's poisonous and yes it causes a wide range of social, mental and physical problems for a lot of people world wide. That being said…
Cigarettes offer almost zero (yes there are some rare outside cases in very specific purposes were this isn't the case) health benefits what-so-ever to humans, and the list of problems it causes is exhaustive.
Alcohol, in certain dose and of certain types can offer many different health benefits, keep in mind this is very dose and type dependent. Red wine for example in moderation can be good for antioxidants, lowing stress and bloody pressure amongst other health benefits.
Alcohol has been an important social lubricant in human society for over 5000 years. Beer was produced in the middle each 13,000 years ago, wine over in Georgia somewhere along the lines of 5000BCand other variants in China around 7000BC.
Alcohol, when consumed responsibly and not too excessively can help people relax, help people interreact, help with peoples social anxiety, be a fun pastime as a hobby (making your own beer, wine etc) and is generally considered a fun social pastime. When consumed in low doses it also has very limited negative health impacts in the long term (vs smoking commercial cigarettes)
So without going into a full blown thesis on the subject, i would certainly argue that they are not "as bad as each other" particularly when consumed in the appropriate recommended dose.
Should there be a 18+ verification on OzB for the display of anything that is age restricted? probably, but that's a debate for another place and time i guess.
Newer studies show red wine doesn't have real health benefits.
Care to link the study please?
I'll link one of many i have here that show the opposite.
"Contribution of Red Wine Consumption to Human Health Protection"
pubmed id : PMC6099584
link to study : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29997312/
So, smoking has a long history too. I'd also argue that drinking alcohol other than wine has almost no health benefits. If you want to be pedantic, you could argue that smoking suppresses appetite, and increases metabolism and can therefore cause some weight loss (a good thing for most people). If you want the benefits of antioxidants why not drink grape juice or cranberry juice etc.
It kills me how people tout the health benefits of alcohol. Like stoners touting the anti-cancer properties of weed.
I like having a drink (or six) but my I'm not kidding myself it's not poison.
@fantombloo: Nor am i, i clearly stated it was poison right from the outset. My entire argument was that it's not "just as bad" as smoking.
My argument was NOT that alcohol is healthy. I thought i made that abundantly clear.
I was simply showing that alcohol has multiple benefits alongside it's negatives, which in my opinion outweigh the number of benefits smoking gives you in comparison.
I find it bizarre that people are unable to see nuance anymore, something either has to be black or white, there appears to be less ability for people to discuss the details of a topic at length.
Part of me things it's short form content social media consumption and the reduction of face to face interactions.
I find it bizarre that people are unable to see nuance anymore
I contended with a single and specific point in your post. I said I like having a drink or six. I don't know how nuance plays here - enlighten me please if you care.
@fantombloo: sure, why would it "kills me how people tout the health benefits of alcohol."
when there are objectively some health benefits to alcohol.
It seems bizarre that someone saying something that is objectively true would "kill you" when people do it.
Perhaps i am misunderstanding what you mean when you say that, in which case I'm happy for you to clarify, and feel free to be specific.
@Slipstream: Smoking tobacco is linked to prevention of Parkinsons.
Noone smokes to prevent Parkinsons. Noone drinks to prevent cancer. With regards to health the damaging aspects of each far outweigh the beneficial.
@fantombloo: Ok, just so I'm clear on your stance as i don't want to misrepresent you.
Are you saying that you agree with the initial statement, that all things considered "drinking alcohol is just as bad as smoking"
because that is what this is all about from my position, i am simply saying that yes alcohol is bad, but no it's not as bad as smoking because when taken in appropriate dosages it offers far more health wise than smoking does, whilst simultaneously still being bad for you overall it's just not as bad as smoking, because there ARE some health benefits that can come from drinking certain alcohols in certain situations. Including but not limited to the social benefits it can give to some people.
Are you saying that you agree with the initial statement, that all things considered "drinking alcohol is just as bad as smoking"
No. They are different.
Since smoking is most often a chronic addiction its negative health effects are usually much clearer and seemingly more deterministic. Alcohol consumption can most often be straddled in a different mode making detection of health consequences much more difficult. Chronic alcoholics all suffer very clear negative health consequences but I understand you are not arguing against that.
Health aside, I would say that alcohol is worse than smoking in its greater damaging effects on society. But this is a wide topic. Sure, alcohol provides some social benefits but this is because society has normalised them - i.e. we live in a drinking culture. When you say "Including but not limited too the social benefits it can give to some people" that's because those people are (some of) the exact victims subjects of that drinking culture. I know tee-teetotalers / straight-edgers who have told me how confrontational the seemingly innocent "Let's catch up over a drink" mentality is to them; to you and me it is normal and beneficial because we are part of that drinking culture. Brings us back to health - so are most doctors, scientists, shamen, and so many others, part of that culture. They are the same ones who study the health benefits of alcohol because their default setting is that alcohol must be considered. If we lived in a "let's eat turds culture" we'd find the health benefits of turds amongst their stench too.
Even though I see the many maladies of drinking culture I don't see alcohol as an open-and-shut-case - there's plenty to consider here. As it stands I am part of the majority group, I enjoy drinking and I enjoy letting it get to my head. It's a lot of fun when it is. But in another version of society consuming alcohol would be something I don't even think about - maybe something else would replace it, maybe something a lot less damaging to my health and society. In that society any health or social benefits of alcohol would be scoffed at.
There was an excellent kurzgesagt video on this exact topic just recently. I'd encourage you to watch as it has a lot of overlapping points i was trying to make.
Try and consider the nuance of the issue if you can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOwmt39L2IQ
in response to "If you want the benefits of antioxidants why not drink grape juice or cranberry juice etc."
sure, that's a great idea, but that's not what we discussing is it? We're talking about the fact that there are health benefits to certain types of alcohol, vs no discernable health benefits to smoking.
It's like arguing that going for a ride on your bike is pointless because you could go for a run instead and reduce the risk of falling off your bike when the initial argument is "are there potential benefits to riding my bike?"
I’ve learnt not to have opinions on everything.
And when I have formed an opinion I’ve learnt that I am not required to share it.
Agreed! I often do this to family members who try to troll me or to get me to say things that they want to hear. I keep my expertise to myself and just learn from others. I need to do more here as well. Just absorb and not giv anything back.
Alcohol has a safe level of use
Not true, every drop of alcohol does damage. It's a poison - there's no such thing as a "safe" level.
Ron Swanson has entered the chat.
Good drop, but I'd swear it was better a few years back.
Was also cheaper a few years back. I can't forget those eBay First Choice liquor deals in 2017. Balvenie was going for $55 a bottle after 20% off with eBay code.
There's 43% bottles and 40% bottles. The former apparently quite a bit better than the later.
Code/promo won’t work on top of the member price/discount?
Why not? It did for me. I bought 3 for $226 including delivery.
Same here, 3 for 226. Great price. Thanks OP!
It didn't work until I signed into my Dan's account.
Found that gc can't be combined with PayPal/CC. Price doesn't deduct the gc applied with PayPal or CC selected to pay the rest. So had to top up gc to cover the full amount.
Worked for me, because they wouldn't let me cover the full cost with gift card and leave delivery unattended so I paid $0.01 with PayPal and the rest with gift card.
Just needed to select 'check balance' when adding the gift card, then 'apply' the balance amount.
I wanted to pickup, not sure if that made any difference. Yes gift card is showing applied but total changes to full amount just as I select PayPal or CC to pay the rest. It didn't let me go to pay the balance without selecting one. Strange I know!
It's because anyone can buy a gift card (so they could be leaving unattended for 10 year olds). Paypal you need to be 18+ but I'm sure you can have a debit visa / master card for any age (as opposed to the traditional credit card) to get around that as well..
A friend recommends the Aberlour 12 yrs double cask, on sale for $98 from $122.99, less the 15% =$83.30
Grabbed 2 for $141.30 after the $10 Amex Dan Murphy cashback - thanks heaps OP!
Sick deal, got two bottles of Chardonnay also
This is a good deal for a great drop.
Those who don't drink or want to believe alcohol is poison go for it. No one is forcing it down your throat.
None of the comment matters, not after a long day at work.
1 bottle left at Kew.
I hope it is still there
OOS…😐
4 bottles here we come. Surprised this didn’t get more love.
Islay malts aren't everyone's cup of whisky 🙂