Yes it’s pricey, but my original Oracle was $2,000 and it’s more than paid for itself over the past 8 years.
This Oracle Dual Boiler is a brand new model. Features auto dialling in as well as standard oracle features like auto tamp and frothing.
JB Hi-Fi and a number of other stores have it for $4,299 but I though the price at The Good Guys commercial was worth posting as close to $1,000 off RRP seems decent for a model that is only a month old.
There’s manual mode too.
It’s for people like me I guess. I wake up and get Barista coffee automatically in the morning. No stuffing around. And hopefully it lasts close to 10 years like my last one.
I find these Oracles awesome when entertaining. A few minutes and you can smash out 4 coffees.
What do you mean stuffing around
I have a dual boiler and a grinder. All up cost less than 1500. Same process every morning for coffee that's better than most cafes
They could also get an auto milk frother in the Bambino plus for much less too.
Legitimate question
If you want something that is no stuffing around and you're willing to spend this kind of money why not just go for an automatic coffee machine like the Jura E8
superautos are on a whole different tier of bad coffee
I showed my daughter to make coffee on my original Oracle. She enjoys doing it. Win win!
Theres way too many people with too much money to spend on their first foray into a hobby. I'd say this is a good one to automate your mostly manual espresso journey without actually having the knowhow of espresso brewing.
If they've got the money to throw at it, I say let them.
too many people with too much money
I say spend it now before Albo takes it from you…
Home office expense?
No way it's worth this money. Just buy a lelit bianca and a time more sculptor if wanting to invest this much into a machine
Completely different machine
Yes it is and completely different build quality as well, completely different coffee output, completely different level of coffee in your cup… All playing in favour of the lelit.
The only thing you get is convenience at the cost of everything else
My home setup is better than most cafes and whilst I wouldn't buy an oracle, I probably would consider one for my parents/grand parents.
There are a group of customers for whom this machine is a good fit, and this is a deal for those customers.
Lelit Bianca is almost 5k on its own now isn't it?
Nah it can be had for sub 4k on a good eBay deal ..
Not currently available but only saw it around 2 weeks ago
Wow.. at 4k, how deep is it into the zone of diminishing returns in your honest opinion? Every now and again I think about upgrading my BDB, but then I talk myself out of it thinking how much /more/ better could a cup of coffee actually get.
@afayd: Bdb is fine.. this deal is not. From a bdb there is hardly any reason to upgrade if you enjoy your coffee. Many people have BDB with high end grinders making amazing coffee. A BDB with a mazzer philos will still cost less than this. And I would recommend that any day over this machine.
@afayd: I'd say invest in a better grinder as a good grinder with BDB is better than a lelit with a bad grinder. The gains are mild from a bdb to a bianca.
It comes with a rotary pump and has flow profiling, e61 take a while to boil (30 minutes or so) but are really consistent with successive brews.
The only thing is the lelit with maintenance will last forever. The BDB may not. I had a BDB and it lasted me 10 years. It was a good machine.
When i was looking at the Bianca last year it was selling sub $3500. The price jacking has hit it hard it seems, some stores even jacked it up above 5k in the last few months
@johnnytran: Ohh have they gone up again since 2 weeks ago?
I literally recommended it to my friend 1st week of August and I could get the LE white version for $3986
@maverickjohn: I might bite the bullet and order one from espressocoffeeshop when they have a sale and try stack it with one of their coupons, if i can get it sub 3k. Bit risky if there's any issues though. Unfortunately I don't have a physical store anywhere remotely close to me that sells it.
Some eBay listings that were sub $4500 a couple weeks back are now closer to 5k with a 'free' gift. Some websites have it listed above 5k. Not sure if they've jacked the RRP as well.
@johnnytran: They probably have. I see one eBay listing for $4300 right now. If that stays the same and an eBay coupon comes out, it might make it go back there, but noticed the white and gold now 5k… I just told my mate who I recommended it to. That the price jumped over 1k
I was seriously waiting for Breville’s next Dual Boiler and although it’s a fantastic machine, I am slightly disappointed that it costs so much.
I wish they’d give us a grinder-less modern dual-boiler.
What's wrong with the current dual boiler? That recent reviews racv deal was epic.
They don’t last long have had 2
I doubt a new model will offer anything vastly superior in terms of longevity.
Internals on the Breville DB have been upgraded/fixed over time (compression fittings), just can't see these improvements on the outside that's all.
They're less unreliable with the compression fittings, but we still see plenty of DBs with excessive rust and corrosion. The probes still leak. The leaks still kill the triac. The triacs still blow the thermal fuse. Suddenly you're up for a $500 repair. They're pretty poorly designed & built machines.
Get it repaired as soon as issues arise, people!
Agree they aren't perfect but I think a lot of 'major' problems occur when people don't bother to have them serviced.
For their cost they certainly punch above their weight.
Agree! Reliable as - if you replace every broken part every 6 months.
Whats the warning signs to be on the lookout for?
@Jay-rad: check some youtube videos on them and triac board replacements. Often the temps will start to exceed setting, top may get hot, heat up when off, and sometimes not heat up. Basically heat regulation goes fubar. All can relate to issues.
If you get it early, turn off and unplug, try to open up and check the board for a replacement.
Ours just failed after <4 years with little regular use. Won't be buying another Breville.
@Wimma: Thanks for the headsup and sharing, have been absorbing yt before I buy the BDB. Sad to hear that you won't buy again, I'm on Breville positivity side. My Bambino Plus going 5 years strong, regular cleaning/descale on my own schedule
Eyeing an upgrade to do proper espresso since bambino struggles to pull proper shots with specific roast levels. BDB is next up, was looking at Profitec Go but the featureset and repairability of BDB kinda wins me over
@Jay-rad: They're pretty consistent machines, so basically check it out (or have it checked out) if there's anything out of the ordinary, particularly temperature or pressure issues.
The BDB is definitely more feature packed, but the Go is far more reliable and repairable - I'd probably expect 20 years from one, and probably 5 for the Breville. The Profitec Move is probably a better comparison in terms of features, but obviously not within everyone's budget.
I though this was a water heating unit for the house, at this price
Crazy price for Breville.
7/11 coffee is $1.3 each if you factor in the freebie every 7 visits, while making coffee at home costs me 70 cents in milk and beans.
For a $3799 machine, it would take 17.5 years before break-even if you have one coffee every day, or 8.8 years if you have 2.
But for a house of 4, each having 2 cups a day, you'd break even in only 2.2 years, not too shabby. Although I imagine you'd want fancy beans for this, otherwise it'd be like listening to Spotify with ads on a $6000 headset.
takes a lot of time to go to 7/11 4 times a day though
It also takes a lot of time to drive home and back from the office to use your $3799 machine, YMMV
7/11 coffee is borderline ok, you'd easily get better coffee even from a basic Breville.
Best deal recently was $700 for a refurb bes980 Oracle direct from Breville, if you wanted a super easy workflow.
I have a Barista Max machine, with coffee beans from whichever mob is running deals on here when we run out, currently Lime Blue.
It makes a perfectly good cappacino, especially after I learnt how to use and configure it properly from a coffee snob friend who couldn't believe that our beans were months old and stored in the pantry (I've gotten better I promise).
But it doesn't make a better cappacino than the 7/11 near my office. I mean it's a fully automatic coffee machine, I'm sure it cost them significantly more than $2799 to buy, and the beans would have to be fresh with how many they'd go through each day.
No doubt worse than a proper Barista coffee, but as far as standard machine coffee goes, I've never had anything better. Maybe if you drink black/magic coffee it would make a difference, or maybe I just have an uncultured palatte.
7/11 coffee lol
Those machines are like $35k according to Google's AI, and the beans would be super fresh considering they're making hundreds of cups a day each. Other than using higher quality beans, I don't know how you could get a better coffee from an automatic machine.
Our Oracle was $1,690 2 years ago, would do 30 coffees a week, work from home, only buy coffee on holidays, do the math lol
@Stealtho: Assuming it costs you $0.7 per coffee with milk, beans and electricity, then you save $0.6 per coffee vs 7/11.
You have made 3120 cups of coffee at home in the last 2 years. This would have cost you $2184 in supplies, but you would have spent $4056 at 7/11.
Your machine has paid itself off in 1 year and 10 months, you've been ahead for 2 months, so you're $182 better off now than you would have been otherwise.
Makes sense for a family of coffee drinkers.
This machine with Aldi coffee beans would likley be vastly superior to what you get at 7/11.
Those machines at 7/11 are like $35k according to Google's AI, and the beans would be super fresh considering they're making hundreds of cups a day each. Other than using higher quality beans, I'm sure Aldi is on a similar level as 7/11 beans, I don't know how you could get a better coffee from an automatic machine.
I have a considerable amount of first hand knowledge courtesy of my employment background that informs my opinion. 7/11 coffee is very good value for the price, however, I feel reasonably confident that the comment I made is correct.
@Bargain Slut: If you have the same quality ingredients, how can the $3799 machine outperform a $35000 machine? Other than skill I suppose.
@Jolakot: Is this a serious question?
These are quite different machines ultimately, 7/11 beans are also lower quality than Aldi realistically (depends to a degree on dates and what you get from Aldi, but true in general). Assuming you're having a latte etc, milk quality also has a pretty big impact on the final result too.
Skill, these are automatic machines?
Whilst I am happy to answer questions to a degree, I am not sure you are trying particularly hard to get to a logical answer.
@Bargain Slut: Skill, as in knowing the right settings like coarseness, temperature etc to get the best result for the beans and milk you're using, setting a coarser grind for a dark roast for example. I'd guess that a poorly setup machine would do worse than a cheaper but well calibrated one.
To be honest I didn't realize this machine wasn't automatic, just assumed given the price. I wouldn't make a better coffee with this machine than 7/11, I'm sure you probably would though.
Anyone dropping this kind of cash on a coffee machine isn’t sitting there doing the math on when it’ll pay for itself.
disagree, even wealthy people still justify their purchases to themselves.
Cheaper to get RACV Bike Assist then use the 20% off Breville products coupon via RACV member benefits and the Oracle Dual Boiler at 20% off ($4,499 -> $3,599 + $47 for bike assist).
& stack with 6% cashback on amex offers
Commenting to say I bought an ECM Mechanika Max recently for $3600 but I expect it to last 30 years because it has a rotary pump.
I love it and it's my baby.
Great purchase. It's one heck of a machine. And rotary pumps are far superior to these vibratory pumps for making consistent coffee.
Also that's one heck of a price good job
@Niko123456 Serious question for a high end coffee machine owner, how often will you be servicing the machine and what do you expect a service will cost?
I don't know.
I have a two year warranty (but frankly it's disappointing - it doesn't include labour or circuit boards).
I expect the first things to go will be seals and hoses, but I feel some comfort that the machine has high quality parts and good craftsmanship so I hope it will be roughly every two-five years or so. Budget for service I don't know.
I'm not an expert but I've been told that some of the more expensive items, like the pump (which is the thing that failed more often than not in owning a BDB for 10 years), are pretty rock solid.
learn to do it yourself- basic maintenance is not that hard- just need a few spanners- search on YouTube
I am reasonably certain that servicing, repairs and maintenance for me have averaged out to less than $100 a year.
I know I wasn't asked but I have a la pavoni Botticelli Speciality which costed around $240.
Honestly it's not too bad. How frequent you do this depends on how well you maintain your machine.
I agree. For example I only put filtered water in and back flush regularly. That should immediately help keep the boiler and group free of funk and gunk.
I bought oracle jet for 2799
I got the delonghi la specialista touch for $500. You dont need a bloody dual boiler. Also if you dont like the inbuilt grinder you can get the breville grinder pro 2nd hand for like 150. Paying 4k is insane
If you entertain a lot then yes, you need a dual boiler
scam, $3500 and the internals use plastic tubes. The internal wiring and seyup is a mess for repairing.Idk if the boilers are stainless. get a italian one for this price.. like Lelit Bianca
The internals look messy but easy for DIY repairs. I have serviced my oracle and changed seals every few years myself
Where's this made? For $4k+ RRP I'd hope it's not PRC…
I have had the oracle touch for the last 7 years. All 4 of us in the family love coffee & this machine does a great job! This is the same machine except they have replaced the mechanical control for the grinder (knob on the left of the machine) with a digital one. This will be my logical upgrade when my current machine gives up….though we may be an empty nest by then :(
I don’t think people appreciate this is a different market to the BDB / Lelit.
I had a BDB at home, tried to train up my parents to use it, but it was too complicated for them. (Ended up taking it to work)
Changed to Oracle, and now they are extremely happy making a coffee each day.
This is for the household that struggles to learn how to make espresso properly, and prefer and better quality than the Oracle.
Thank you, someone else who gets it, my parents also went the oracle and love it
This. I would never buy one of these, but there are people in my life who I would buy (have bought) one of these for.
The touch is so overpriced. Wait for the original Oracle to go on sale. I had an Expobar many years ago. Plumbed in rotary pump. First repair was after about 3 years outside of the warranty. Cost $600 for a leaky boiler. Then the pid failed a year after that, and another $600 repair. Then one day the hose underneath leaked and flooded the kitchen over night resulting is a large insurance claim replacing the floor and all the cabinetry. Vowed I would never go prosumer again. I still managed to sell it for around $1500 after almost 8 years. Bought the Oracle when it stacked on the eBay good guys sales and paid $1300 for it. The Oracle has lasted about 7 years. Replaced the plastic collar once inside the group head (a $15 part from Breville). I even got rid of the Mazzer grinder and just use the built in grinder. Only different thing I'm using is larger filter baskets. Honestly the coffee it outputs is pretty damn good
Spending $13 for 2x cappuccinos + $5 fuel everyday , its probably about time to school myself in the art of home systems like these..
Worth it.
I did napkin math, buying my Bambino plus + grinder + fresh bean specials on Ozb, my coffee costs went down to 1.76$ a cup over 5 years. (Was much less but bean prices are going crazy, can always get aldi cheapies but i prefer fresh)
I'm sure a touch screen near heat and steam is a great idea.
That kind of thing worries me too, I like to have convenience but if you also want longevity and to save money on repairs K.I.S.S is often the best thing to do.
Is seems you have to have a Good Guys commercial account to access the deal (?) any way around this ?
If you are a member of Australian Retirement Trust you can sign up to GG's Commercial.
there's zero chance i'm trusting an 'auto dialing in' feature
who is this product for? Anyone willing to drop nearly $4k on an espresso machine isn't going to want all these automated features.