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I have put this pen on special till stock last. As most people query, these are genuine imports from Asia.
If you find this post as "Not a deal", Let me know and I will remove it.
Thanks
Parker Jotter Stainless Steel GT Ball Pen $10.45 Delivered
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sounds about right… can't see this being "genuine". Look everyone this is a GENUINE PEN! Yes I'm sure it is.
Why would you slander somebody like this? What possible evidence do you have? The seller has been completely upfront about the origin, frank that they are made in parkers asian, not french factories - what would lead you to think it appropriate to publically attempt to destroy somebody's livelihood based on nothing more than prejudice?
Your behavior is reprehensibleWhen I saw this deal posted, I noted the seller did not claim they were genine Parker pens. Instead, the language chosen was "genuine imports from Asia".
Anything you buy from Asia is a genuine import from Asia, so that could mean anything.
This lead me to check his previous offer to ozbargain. The only 2 people who bothered to leave any feedback about receiving their pen both stated it was not a genuine Parker pen.
I think this is enough to ask the questions that I asked.
Hardly an attempt to destroy anyone's livelihood. And as you've so ably demonstrated, members are capable of making up their own minds. As for my mind, I remain sceptical. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, most likely it's a duck.
Get ya hand off it mate.
Genuine means Genuine - you knew that just as well ans anyone else did.
You have simply been playing nasty semantic games with somebody's livelihood, picking on somebody because english is not their first language so their wording wasn't watertight.
You didnt ask questions at all, you came straight out of the gate with bald faced accusations - you have in fact not posted a single question mark in this entire thread!"So these are "genuine" counterfeits" is the FIRST thing you said, moving on when he outright stated they are not counterfeit to
"you have stated you are selling "genuine imports from asia" and more recently "genuine products" but you have not stated that you are selling "Genuine Parker© Pens""They have stated repeatedly that they are genuine - from the outset as you yourself have stated., but it isnt good enough for you until they manage to figure out how to add a copyright symbol (even tho they should be using a trademark or registered symbol)?
There are many ways you could have gone about asking genuine questions, you did not do that, you didnt ask ANY questions (contrary to your attempt at self justification above)
YOU SIMPLY, BASELESSLY ACCUSED A SELLER OF SELLING COUNTERFEITS
and when he responded to your accusations politely assuring you they were indeed genuine and not counterfeits you continued on a campaign of vilification, not even backing down or apologising when the seller even went so far as to offer a risk free money back guarantee including return postage on the origin of the pens from Parker in AsiaIt is time you apologised for your slander, rather than trying to pass it off as acceptable behavior - it is not and he would be well within his rights to seek legal redress
I actually had the same impression as you when I purchased one of the parker pens from a seller with 100% feedback that have sold over 10 000 items. At first when I received the pen, the minor details such as "made in uk" or the "p" symbol on the top of the pen was not there anymore (I had a previous parker pen purchased a few years back from ow). I thought they were fake and emailed them, the response was these were cheaper american imports. Naturally I didn't buy it but when I went to ow, to my surprise they have the same thing there.
These are not counterfeits. Have you seen my store feedback. I am selling genuine products. Price is low because labour cost is very low and competition is very high.
Without using a product, mentioning it a counterfeit is not right and I can't change your opinion as well.
But thanks for your reply.
I have only seen the feedback from your previous Ozbargain post which I provided a link to. Lots of plus votes for the price, but the only feedback given by those who received the item was very poor.
I also note you have stated you are selling "genuine imports from asia" and more recently "genuine products" but you have not stated that you are selling "Genuine Parker© Pens".
If you are selling genuine Parker Pens and those previous reviews were wrong, that's great. But it would be much clearer to actually say you are selling genuine Parker Pens, rather than say things that are ambiguous like "Genuine Imports from Asia" and "Genuine Products". That could mean anything.
Just edit the deal post and say "Genuine Parker© Pens manufactured in parker's asian facilities for asian distribution and direct imported" to shut these obscene slanderers down, please.
I know this is 2/3 the price of officeworks - it is a great deal. I will be buying next week, but would love a Pierre Cardin Special, they look so pretty and would match my 'fashion' watches (Flud, Breda etc) really wellMost of the Parker pens sold in Australia at places like Myer are even made in China :)
Well my store feedbacck is 1754 with 99.7% positive feedback. This must reflect something. Pens do not say anything about place of origin but refills do have every single detail.
Pen packaging is opened to save on postage, otherwise it comes in blister packaging and contains all information.
Australia post charge $1.20 for standard shipping which is under 20mm but anything which is over 20mm is charged minimum of $7+
To keep cost lower, pens are send this way.
|Pens do not say anything about place of origin but refills do have every single detail.
So how are you so sure these are genuine Parker Pens? Do you purchase them directly from Parker?
I buy from Parker Distributor. Parker have limited distributors and Distributors sell to retailers and resellers.
Problably the same "distributor" these guys buy from:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parker-Jotter-Stainless-Steel-Gol…
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parker-Jotter-Stainless-Steel-GT-…I note those sellers also have great feedback scores, and their pens are even cheaper.
I remain very sceptical about these, especially considering the poor feedback from the previous ozbargain offer.
Jonsnow - Checking pricing again. Their price is higher that my listing price.
For one, these people are overseas and would take ages to get here, for two, the two products look markedly different to me, the one in india has a different tone and just does not look right in the finish of the clip. But I have only been using jotters for 25 years.
I buy from Parker Distributor. Parker have limited distributors and Distributors sell to retailers and resellers.
I do not really understand.
You buy from a Parker "distributor" in some Asian country? Is that correct?
From my understanding of the Parker company (RubberMaid), the Parker Jotter is not made in any Asian country.
So you are claiming that they are imported from Europe to Asia, then you buy them and import them to Australia, then you sell them to us - and they are still half the usual Australian price?
Who told you that Parker is not made in Asia.
Parker is UK based company and they have production unit in Asia as well.
Many brands are US based or Europe based but they are manufactured in China. Take Apple as example.
Who told you that Parker is not made in Asia.
Parker is UK based company and they have production unit in Asia as well.
Interesting. So, can you provide some proof of this claim?
Whoever neg my comment, please do google the information.
I am not giving wrong information.
Well, I can guarantee that Parker I am selling is genuine and If someone buys it and finds it counterfeit. I will pay for return shipping + Full refund and happy to accept negative feedback.
I guess this will give everyone assurance and security.
EBay also protects buyers so if you buy something and you are not happy with your purchase, then you can return the product and get your money back
Well, I can guarantee that Parker I am selling is genuine and If someone buys it and finds it counterfeit.
This is what most, if not all, sellers of counterfeit goods state.
What is the country of manufacturer? It is stamped on the top half of the pens, or perhaps is also on the packaging that you remove before posting the pens.
"Over 750 million Jotters have been produced since 1954 and production continued at Parker's plant in Newhaven, England after being transferred there from Janesville, Wisconsin, USA in 1999."
"Parker closed its factory in England late in 2010 and production was moved to Nantes, France. Jotters are now imprinted with "Made in France". Recently one was offered on eBay at an inflated value. As time progresses, the new variation will become available at more reasonable prices. Collectors can check the reverse of the packaging to determine if the Jotter is of French manufacture."
"Additionally, some Parker products are produced under license in India and China for consumption in South and East Asia."
"Jotters from India are commonly found for sale on eBay."
Parker only emboss Parker on the pen and nothing else. Go to Officeworks and check what you are saying. If you find it in fresh stock of Parker, do take a picture and post it.
And I already mentioned it, that it is import from Asia.
Do copy paste everything from Wikipedia.
Chinese production models are now seen in the large office supply stores. There is a great deal of discussion each time the location of manufacture changes, whether or not the pen retains its original reputation for quality. For the most part, this appears to be idle chatter.
I am giving you assurance that what I am selling, is genuine parker and if you find it wrong then you are not going to spend anything as I will be covering expense for return postage and I will accept negative feedback, which if in case, I will receive will affect my store sale.
With this statement as well, you are saying that people selling counterfeit says this. You are keeping your words on top and that is it.
What is wrong in this thing. if people who sell counterfeit products, do get their listing removed by eBay. Check how many Jotters I have sold and my listing is still there. People are happy with their purchase.
Stop being negative. I sold over 200 pens from last ozbargain post. I thought I should post it again as I have got good stock (900+ pens) and can offer good price.
Please, I would request to buy it before commenting anything here.
You never bought it and you are commenting like I mugged you.
Please don't do this. It is creating wrong image of my store.
Good you got your answer. Parker has production unit in Asia (India and China).
Sometimes you have to trust people.
In my experience, that hasn't been the best of ideas.
Well I have send a request to remove this listing from here as people are being negative.
Only thing that I would say is I am selling GENUINE PARKER and yes, I am saying genuine PARKER and do look at my store feedback.
Parker does have manufacturing units in Asia and prices are quite low compared to here. Reason being administrative overheads.
Thanks for all your feedbacks
Since you have already had this open so long, closing it should be denied. There may be people who have already bought you product from this listing and want to leave comments here later.
To be very honest, Nobody bought it from this post on ozbargain. People do look at the comments of the post and since there are so many post asking about product being legitimate, people won't buy it. I am a active member of ozbargain and even I do read comments before I go and purchase any product.
Even you can look at the positive votes going to comments against my post. People are making comments without even verifying what they are saying or writing.
I am trying to pass on saving by buying in bulk. People are aware about feedback on eBay, which are received on kind of product and service they receive. Still people have doubt on my listing.
EBay is very active in removing fake product listings and giving protection to buyers.
You really have some gorgeous writing implements on your store at very reasonable prices - I would expect counterfeits to be cheaper myself, and the quality looks gorgeous.
I have to say, for the price the Pierre Cardin pens are spectacular, any chance of a special in about a week and a half? just about wiped from black friday lolWell I have lot of individual pens and pen sets but have to list them. If I get good response from ozbargain then I can definitely give good deals.
More quantity I will buy, More discount I will get and more discount I will pass on to buyers.
If people will give feedback about pens they like in Parker and Pierre Cardin brand. I will buy them in stock and put them on special.
They might be original. These pens sell for quite less in India.
http://www.luxor.in/parker-jotter-stainless-steel-gt-ball-pe…
I am sure that the one link above is original and it costs about $5. So for $10.45 it is still reasonable including shipping.
BTW Luxor makes Parker pens in India.
+1 for zealous store rep
I called it in the last deal- "I bet we see bargainswest post a deal on ozbargain in the near future."
Hey,what about this jotter? Although not gold, it is made in france/uk and comes in a box.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-Parker-jotter-ball-pen-medium-p…Is this a bargain?
|As most people query, these are genuine imports from Asia.
So these are "genuine" counterfeits, as opposed to non-genuine counterfeits? ;)
http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/115912
The price is OK if you don't expect a genuine Parker pen.