So tired today, long drive
Driving home from Woomera to radelaide
Speed limit 110 km/h
This minda copper be hitting 105km/h for good 80 kms
Now everytime came the overtaking lanes, the chicken I am didn't dare to overtake him
Since i would have had to hit ~120km/h
Question: would I get done ?
Depending on the officer they are within the law to be going 10km (i think) above the speed limit in normal circumstances. (not giving chase or whatever else)
Other officers like highway patrol dont have a limit.
At least thats how it is in Vic
source: im good friends with a police officer
You miss the point Pyrock..
The speed limit was 110kph, despite this, Cop was only going 105kph, thereby only giving 5kph overtaking speed on single lane Highway 1 with overtaking zones once every 5K's.
OP, you probably would have been fine provided you only sped past to overtake safely.
This fact is what makes this an interesting topic for debate, despite the fact that the OP is copping a few cheap shots from some egregiously self-righteous neckbeards for supposedly not knowing the road rules.
The sheer diversity of responses shows that despite the known fixed speed limits, this particular situation is open to varied interpretation by many otherwise capable & knowledgeable drivers.
Compounding this ambiguity is the stated uncertainty over the actual real world threshold for "legal/safe" speeding (I use these terms very loosely here, so pedants STFU). There was a previous 10% grace given as a margin for speedo error; however, I read recently that the NSW Infringement Processing/Police service were in the process of reducing this to 3% to account for more accurate/consistent speedo readings in newer cars.
The upshot is that under the old system of 10% leeway, theoretically the OP could have passed the cops at 121km/h without fear of fines on a good day; but if the cops were being pricks, they could easily have nabbed him for that on a bad day & forced him to fight the on-the-spot fine in court. Herein lies the problem, in the real world things are not black & white, they are open to interpretation by both sides!
IMHO, the OP did the right thing in this instance & played it safe; but he could just as easily have risked it & maybe not been penalised.
I travel back and forth from NSW to Vic with my late model commercial VW, speedometer displaying 120kp/h, now with new front tyres, at over 115kp/h with my TomTom Via 180 displaying 113kp/h all the time and the marked and unmarked police that constantly patrol the boarder don't bat an eyelid. My TomTom is line ball with the overhead speed check south of Wodonga!!
They are most usually busy with trucks & drug couriers.
overtaking zones once every 5K's…and straight roads inbetween
Not really… especially not the bit from Snowtown to Pt Wakefield!
your joking
No, have you ever driven that road?
It's full of blind corners and crests!
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-33.9822284,138.0591599,11z
What fine bra?
It might be worth getting your speedo checked, most these days show you are going faster than you actually are.
I would have overtaken him… 120km / hr in a 110 zone isn't a big deal.
Fair enough but I am asking more from point of view of south australian road rules/law
Doing 10 k's over the limit isn't a big deal? Whilst over taking a cop too?
IF you're of driving age, you still have your license?
wowwww, mind blown,,,
you must have a simple mind
Well actually, I had overtaken a Police Car some years back, on the limit or 2km over and the police man didn’t bat an eyelid as he was 5km under the limit. For that matter they can’t tell what speed you are doing as you overtake them, as long as you don’t accelerate excessively and then slow down to the limit as you pull across in front of them when they can ping their equipment off you.
I hope yas all keep left whilst your nervously driving along at exactly the speed limit according to your odo
speed limit according to your odo
lol
Maybe he/she's wiping off 5
You would've needed a 660m long overtaking lane to safely overtake him at 110km/h. Do check your speedo if you haven't.. you can download a speedometer app for your phone which should be accurate when you are driving at constant speed.
the problem is you don't know how accurate your speedo is. i would not take the risk either. 5km/h slower is not going to make much difference anyways:
80km/105kph = 0.762 hrs
80km/110kph = 0.727 hrs
that's a whopping 2 minutes over 80km
Dem two minutes bro
Many lives have been lost because of idiots who speed. To think they do this for two minutes (over 80km) is beyond belief.
Many lives have been lost because of idiots who drive under the posted limits
Speeding means driving above the posted limit. But the biggest problem is that some are driving at well below 100 when the speed limit is 110 and the road is a straight line and you are driving in desert no other on coming traffic and only traffic is behind those who drive well below the limit. In some cases this can be an elderly driver which every one has to tolerate. But my experience in driving to Adelaide last summer was that those very slow driver going well below blocking all the traffic behind them tend to drive at or above the limit when it comes to overtaking lane. Even though they take the left lane at that stretch of road it guarantees no one who were crawling behind them so far can over take them unless they drive well above the speed limit. I was driving from Melbourne to Adelaide and this was my experience in many overtaking lanes with those who drive too slow in single lane highways.
I am not able to think of any reasons. There was another friend driving do Adelaide with us and he told that it can be that they might be very scared to drive close to limit when they see on coming traffic in single lane highways and have no fear driving over the limit when it has two lanes. Regardless of that explanation, I think people should have common sense and with a back mirror allowing them to see the number of vehicles they blocked all the way it's not too hard for them to continue at the same speed at overtaking lanes unless they enjoy leading a large traffic all the way for many miles.
Many lives have been lost because of idiots who drive under the posted limits
Wait wait wait. lol. ahaha. Okay. Were the lives lost because they were driving under the limit? Or because they were just shit drivers?
And what if those idiot drivers were doing the limit or over the limit? Do you think that would increase or decrease the number of lives lost, or amount of damage done etc?
Speeding doesn't take lives, the person behind the wheel does.
It's typical government brainwash of "Speed Kills" but instead it should be "Idiotic morons Kill".
So many times I've seen such close calls on the roads where an extremely slow driver merges onto traffic causing a domino effect of everyone else on the road having to abruptly slow down.
Problem with Australian driving culture is a lack of driver education and awareness. But governments don't want to spend the money because it will cost them a lot initially and also remove an easy revenue maker for them.
Most parents should invest on their childrens education by getting their kids to do a track day with an instructor. Seriously, a day with an "actual instructor" is worth years of experience. Upskilling everyone is the only way forward.
Agree entirely.
To be fair (and I don't condone speeding), but 110km/h in almost every modern car will actually be about 105-106km/h, as speedos have a margin of error (in favour of you, so it only displays faster than what it is).
Sitting 5km/h below as indicated by your speedo is only asking people to get frustrated behind you, potentially having them ragefully overtake you.
I don't know what I'm getting at but.. yeah.
You can check how accurate you speedo is when you have speed indicators showing you driving speed on some places in highways. When I was keeping the speedo exactly on 100 in mine, the display on the free way shows 95 km/h. I've tried this few times at different speed limits and certain that the speedos are actually showing bit higher value. Still it's always good to drive at or below the limit as shown on your speedometer.
Driving well below speeds is only ok as long as you use your common sense to allow others to overtake you in overtaking lanes and you are not on the right most lane on multi lane road.
You can also check the accuracy of your speedo with any GPS device.
I used to drive a Hyundai Elantra that displayed 110km/h, when I was actually doing 100km/h.
I now drive a 3 series, and 110km/h is now closer to 108km/h.
Under Australian law, vehicles are allowed speedo inaccuracies of 10% vehicle speed + 4km/h, in favour of the driver, with no tolerance in the opposite direction.
As an example, if a vehicle were actually moving at 100km/h, the speedo could legally display anything from 100km/h to 114km/h.
I have found the roadside indicators with the smile face are way inaccurate, in my old car I would go 60 and the smile thing would sometimes say 67 lol the gps was always accurate to 1-4km of my speedo though.
Yep, in the grand scheme of things, 2 minutes just aint worth it. When I'm on my death bed, I'm pretty sure I won't be looking back on my life and deeply regretting all the slightly more aggressive driving I failed to do.
It gets worse in regular city traffic when say someone cuts you off just to get one car length ahead. As my Uncle Mac used to say laughing, "That guy is getting home 3 seconds earlier tonight. Winner!"
Would've been ok if you'd kindly flipped him off as you sped by…they love that shit! ;)
Don't forget to throw your McDonalds rubbish and empty bottles out the window at them as you pass too :P
and cigarette butts
Or cans of beer. Bonus points if it's glass.
don't be cheap either, make sure they are full cans.
Not in SA…
That bottle is worth 10c!
Throwing 10c out the window is the first step to being perma-banned from OzB!
Who makes glass cans?
Bonus points.
Dumbnuts.
Moon him.
Littering and…..
Littering and…..
Littering and…..
Smoking the reefer!
Always have a box of donuts handy…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a77Dw3tNv8o
I wont risk it. I will just stay behind. Not worth the risk.
Yea man that's what I ended up doing.
Just ignore the speed limit when you are trying to overtake.
Huh? You still have to stick to the limit even if you're overtaking. Speeding past a cop car while overtaking them can't end well lol. All it takes is a split second for the police to get your speed on the radar as being anything over the limit, and you could be toast.
Not worth the risk if you end up with a jackarse of a copper.
You can be driving under the limit and following the rules, and they can still peg you for unsafe driving (assuming it's the same as Vic). It's completely discretionary.
No, it's not.
- Unreasonably obstructing drivers or pedestrians
(1) A driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a
pedestrian.
Penalty: 2 penalty units.
Note Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle—see the definition of drive in the
dictionary.
(2) For this rule, a driver does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another
driver or a pedestrian only because—
(a) the driver is stopped in traffic; or
(b) the driver is driving more slowly than other vehicles (unless the driver
is driving abnormally slowly in the circumstances).
Example of a driver driving abnormally slowly
A driver driving at a speed of 20 kilometres per hour on a length of road to which a speed-limit of
80 kilometres per hour applies when there is no reason for the driver to drive at that speed on
the length of road
That's from Victorian Government Gazette.
rather have a cop infront than behind.
your not allowed to go over the speed limit to overtake but most people become weird when they get in cars and when you go to overtake they speed up, so your really forced too
Much wisdom in this post.
It's ~$300 and a few demerit points if you speed up while being overtaken in NSW and Victoria.
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/the-road-rules-you-didnt-…
the best bit
"you must be below the 0.05 blood-alcohol limit while on horseback"
Wonder if the horse has to be below 0.05
I would have overtaken him and kept at the 110 speed. Once infront i would have changed lines to come infront of him and then slowed down to a nice 100.
Why?
The front car was driving at a speed they felt safe with. And it was only 5km/h under the posted limit.
Why on earth did you get negged for that comment? lol
I'll admit I can be a frustrated driver if stuck behind people doing well below the limit, but I still understand that it's well within their right to do whatever speed they want below the limit. The limit is just that - a limit, not a goal/target/minimum/average.
i might be wrong but cant you get booked for doing well under the speed limit or highways and such?
Yes, yes you can.
Well under means far more than just 5kph though.. More like 15-20+kph
I think I've seen you on the roads before! ;-)
Probably would have been better to pull over and grab a beer and chill out
I don't understand why this is a question.
The speed limit is there plain and simple, if you exceed the speed limit, you can "get done", if you don't, you can't.
How did you get your license?
I am so sorry man I asked. Put my license through the shredder just now.
Ps
Did you even read the question ?
Yes I did, and the answer is plain and simple, there is a speed limit. The speed limit was 110, if you exceed the speed limit, you can get "done"…?
I dont know why he is getting negged…he is giving the answer in plain and simple language…
My view is same as paulsterio. Don't understand why all the neg votes for him but OP gets all the + votes.
i think its because he is berating OP as if he was speeding when all he was doing was asking a question on something he wasnt sure of.
Better that he knows this now rather than not knowing and trying to overtake someone above the speed limit
I wasn't berating anyone.
If you exceed the speed limit, you can get fined.
If you don't know that, then you shouldn't be on the road.
The speed limit is there plain and simple, if you exceed the speed limit, you can "get done", if you don't, you can't.
Never in my post did I berate anybody.
yes but your tone is very negative
'How did you get your license?'
are you expecting a real response?
I suspect he got his license the same way you and I did.
I wasn't berating anyone.
How did you get your license?
You're kidding, right???
Play that comment over in your head a few times & get back to us…
berate
scold or criticize (someone) angrily.
"she berated herself for being fickle"
synonyms: rebuke, reprimand, reproach, reprove, admonish, remonstrate with, chastise, chide, upbraid, take to task, pull up, castigate, lambaste, read someone the Riot Act, give someone a piece of one's mind, go on at, haul over the coals, criticize, censure
all he was doing was asking a question on something he wasnt sure of
That's the point, how can anyone with a driver's licence 'unsure of' the meaning of speed limit.
I genuinely don't understand how my comment can be taken as berating.
How can one have a license and be unfamiliar with the concept of a speed limit…?
Hey buddy, no point in all of us getting in an argument over this. Let me just rephrase what I was trying ask, when overtaking can you go a little above the posted speed limit ? And from everyone's response: no you cannot. That was just something I wanted to confirm, as I was not sure in case of "overtaking" specifically.
It's unfair for you to question me in such a tone "how did you get your licence"
Anyways, thanks for your reply. I know now even in the case of overtaking max speed is the posted speed limit.
Have a good long weekend man :)
tone?
In a court of law you'd have a fair argument that in order to overtake safely, you needed to exceed the speed limit for a short period of time.
Might not get you off, but would reduce the severity.
(and in most cases, a Cop is going to be realistic about the situation and not book you in the first place)
Speed LIMIT <— Feel free to google the word, bra
How is that a fair argument?
If you cannot overtake within the speed limit, then you don't overtake.
Like I completely understand if you're in a hurry, but if you're doing in front of a cop, you're asking to get fined.
Like I completely understand if you're in a hurry…
Facepalm…the cops' favourite excuse for speeding…keep diggin' buddy! ;)
Look, I've wasted enough time arguing here and we're all just getting really petty.
My original argument is that, if you don't understand the concept of a speed limit, then you shouldn't be on the road. I understood that you can't exceed speed limits long before I had my license.
Good discussion, sad to see it get so petty.
I don't understand why this is a question.
How did you get your license?
Just for some perspective here Paul, let's have a recap of how you entered this discussion…you started with petty!
We all carry on like a pork chop at times, but at least man up & admit your own complicity in this fiasco.
I said that we are all getting petty, that's myself included.
But yeah, you're right, we all say things sometimes that can be phrased better and don't come across as planned. At least OP's question has been answered.
Fair point!
I hope you had a good long weekend, enjoy the coming short working week! :)
Unfortunately you might not be able to over take majority of those very slow cars in overtaking lanes because they tend to go at the limit or even above when they enter the overtaking lane. It's just strange but that's what can be normal with strange drivers.
pls delete
Isn't it licence and not 'license'?
Like practice and practise, though in this case only the latter is used for both verb and noun in American English.
How have you not realised speedometers have a margin of error (especially if you have a diff size tyre than recommended) , radars have a margin of error , and this gives a driver room to play . And for the OP's sake , I have gone past cops doing 5-7% over the speed limit on my speedo never had an issue .
How did you get your ego ?
Absolutely the speed limit is there as a set limit. There are no exceptions. If the speed limit is 110, that's the maximum limit, even while overtaking, it's not a "guide".
Having said that, oh god man do I feel your pain. Seriously some people get their licenses from Weeties packets. There IS a golden rule that says keep left unless overtaking. But the amount of people sitting in the right hand lane is just ridiculous. I remember about a decade ago here in WA they did a blitz on it, but the public outcry was so great they stopped fining people. For a while there traffic flowed fantastically, now it's back to crap.
Listening to a traffic cop on the radio a few months back, apparently for posted speed limits up to 70 or 80 kilometers an hour, the keep left unless overtaking is more of a guide than a rule. For speeds 90 and up apparently it is enforceable. But when no-one actually enforces the rules, no-one learns and you still get these knobs driving in the right hand lane.
Australia is, and WA in particular one of the worst for road rules. For example whenever I'm back in Europe, you will not believe how courteous people are in regards to this rule. EVERYBODY moves to the slower lanes (right lanes in that case in The Netherlands for example) ALL the time, unless they are overtaking. I think that's why it is possible for them to have higher speeds on some of their free/highways. When everybody does the right thing, traffic flows better, and it is actually safer.
Anyway enough rant. Nothing will ever get done about it, so road rage is something that will continue in regards to this issue. I'd prefer the police to actually fine people for not doing the right thing. Not to punish them as such, but if they did, people would actually be weary of the rule and start obeying it, making the roads safer and certainly less frustrated drivers doing the right thing.
the politicans and people must be real stupid if theres 110km/h speed limit AND overtaking lanes
if the left lane is at 110 and you cant exceed 110, why have overtaking lanes?
its a paradox
if police are around, obey the law to the letter
you know they will use the law to the letter to fine you
otherwise if they're gone, the overtaking lane is a free for all
if you need to do 150kmh to overtake safely, do it
or dont and stay in the left lane
"if you need to do 150kmh to overtake safely, do it"
&
"or dont and stay in the left lane"
… some great advice there lol… keep it coming :-) Who pays the fines?
if you need to do 150kmh to overtake safely, do it
Who pays the fines?
I'd be more worried about who pays for the funerals…
thats the stupid australian attitude coming out
people travel fine at 110+ in the EU and US
when i overtake i use whatever horsepower the car has to do it quickly as possible
i pay the fines, i take the consequences
i'd rather do it in 10 secs at whatever speed is necessary rather than do 115km/h and take a minute and worse still, maybe facing oncoming traffic…
people are so melodramatic as if the world will explode if someone does above 110km/h!
people are so melodramatic as if the world will explode if someone does above 110km/h!
And likewise, it's as if the world will explode if someone does a little bit under the posted speed limit!
i dont have a problem with people going slow
just dont do it in the overtake lane
It depends on the car, the driver, the road and the traffic.
Forty years ago the majority of drivers did in excess of 120km/h on main routes. Many of these roads were gravel. Many people died.
Twenty years ago, if you hit a power pole you were dead. Fifteen years ago you were lucky to be alive. Last year a Tesla driver hit a concrete barrier that fast they went though it and hit a tree behind it. They walked away uninjured.
Modern cars and freeways are extremely safe. Considering we used to consider 120 in a death box on gravel acceptable, I am not sure why 150 in a modern car on a modern highway is so taboo.
This is just evidence that many if not most physical risks have been mitigated.
The major enforcement and policy focus areas these days are all driver behaviour (fatigue, intoxication, following limits, driver inexperience, phone distraction) because they're now the most common causes of accidents.
The Tesla going through the concrete barrier would still be as lethal to a pedestrian as a Kingswood three decades ago.
Over taking speed limit = Same as posted speed limit.
Cops sitting on 105km/h = (profanity).