Audi Q5 2.0TDI (Diesel) Vs Lexus Rx270

I am looking to buy a luxury SUV, as the family's 2nd car (2 young kids). Will be used just to take kids to swimming classes and occasional trips to Canberra/Wollongong/Hunter Vally etc.

I am considering between Audi Q5 2.0TDI (Diesel) Vs Lexus Rx270, (preferably a Demo model)

I test drove both the cars and enjoyed both of them equally, I am not a car enthusiast and don't appreciate much the subtle differences of driving one vs the other. Both cars will meet my needs. I would generally keep the car for around 8-10 years.

My question is, over the long run, which car would be more value for money and economical to run?

The points that I have on my mind are:

  1. Base Cost: Q5 is a bit more expensive then RX270
  2. Service Cost: Audi are generally more expensive then Lexus
  3. Milage: Q5 is 6.1L/ 100 KM of Diesel Vs Rx270 at 9.4L/100 Km of petrol
  4. Registration/Insurance Costs: I don't know if there are much difference in Insurance / CTP costs of these cars?
  5. Both car can be financed at around the same costs,

Any help on these lines of any other point that I haven't considered would be really helpful. My time frame to get the car is 6-8 weeks,

PS: I posted the same on whrilpool and got some good pointers, leaning more towards Lexus, also suggested to look at Volvo CX60, which I will look at.

So any experience with Volvo's please share and enlighten.

regards

Comments

  • +20

    Whirlpool and here?

    Don't buy the Lexus, it is fwd for a start, so it has a significant deficit to the Audi. Dynamically it is slower, uses more fuel, it is not as safe (FWD vs AWD, passive safety), does not handle as well. Subjectively it is uglier. Lexus are essentially luxury cars for people who know nothing about cars, they are Toyota's with leather seats (I doubt either of these cars have leather seats actually, I know the Audi has plastic seats with the 2 litre engines). Lexus was originally created as a way to sell expensive Toyotas in America. It didn't even exist in Japan until recently. Rumour has it that Lexus is an acronym for Luxury Exports to the United States. I think that says it all.

    As suggested in whirlpool, you might want to consider the XC60, but it is not the amazing machine it is made out to be. The suspension is too firm, but the recent updates this year have addressed the biggest problem, the rubbish gearbox. I haven't samples the new 4 cylinder D5 engine, but the old 5 cylinder was pretty average, much worse than the equivalent Mercedes or Audi engine.

    If I was looking in this price range, I would consider the Range Rover Evoque, it is a much newer and more respected car than any other options. I think however, for this money you can't look past the Jeep Grand Cherokee. It is a bigger car, but it is much better than any other options mentioned. It shares a chassis with the ML and GL mercedes, which cost over twice as much. It has a range of strong engines, even the 3.6 V6 is a decent engine, and with the 8 speed can return around 8L/100km on the freeway. It is luxurious and reasonably well built, and certainly much more capable than the Q5 or LX. Much better value for money. In most other markets, the Grand Cherokee is significantly more expensive than both the LX or the Q5, we just get lucky here with Chrysler/Fiat pricing, especially compared with so called 'luxury' brands, whose sole purpose in Australia is to rip off consumers.

    • +1 for the good points made. I don't understand why you got the -1. Anonymous user, explain yourself!

      • +16

        I drive a Lexus and I was butthurt.

    • +13

      Isnt't Audi a more expensive Volkswagen?

      • +4

        They use the same engine, but Audi has their proprietary Quattro AWD system, which uses a different mechanism and algorithm for distribution of power to front and rear wheels.

        The Audi parallel to VWs also come with nicer interior and (sometimes) brakes.

        VW Toureg would be the alternative to the Audi.

        As an Audi/VW driver, I personally think that(and with plenty of similar opinions from far more qualified minds) Audi can't make SUVs. The body-roll and overall weight distribution is horrid.

        As much as I love Audi, I'd pick a Range Rover/Forester anyday of the week.

        • They use the same engine, but Audi has their proprietary Quattro AWD system, which uses a different mechanism and algorithm for distribution of power to front and rear wheels.

          aka 4Motion in VW aka 4x4 in Skoda. It's just marketing/branding. Underlying technology can be Torsen or Haldex based units.

      • -3

        lexus is more expensive toyota haha

        • +5

          It is

    • +18

      @thorton82

      Front wheel drives are MORE efficient than RWD then 4WD.
      Transmission losses are typically estimated at 10%, 15%, 25% for FWD, RWD, 4WD.

      Get your facts right before you spew.

      Also he's considering fuel efficiency and reliability and you're recommending a 3.6 V6 from JEEP no less.

      You talk about safety of 4wd (!?!?!?!) and you still recommended a JEEP!?!?!?!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaYFLb8WMGM Please watch the moose test.

      I like lexus, and i don't claim to know a lot about cars.. but having worked as a mechanic for a while + am into motorsports…. But because I like lexus.. I obviously don't know what i'm talking about.

      Get your facts right.

      • +3

        Who cares about transmission loss if it is FWD, RWD or 4WD? The final figure is fuel efficiency, and the Lexus has poor fuel efficiency, especially considering it is a small car. Transmission loss means nothing, if you are talking about fuel economy, the only thing that matters is the overall car's fuel efficiency, not just some made up facts about transmission loss that differs from car to car, driveline to driveline. As an example, I can guarantee you that any car with an 8speed ZF has less driveline loss than a Toyota 4 speed.

        The Jeep 3.6 V6 gets amazing fuel economy given the size of the vehicle and the engine's performance, which far exceeds the Lexus. I drove one for over 2000km, including driving up mountains, around town and off road on 3 occasions. My combined figure was around 9L/100km in the real world. The Lexus would have no hope replicating that economy in the real world, and wouldn't actually be able to go off road, and its down almost 100kw, which is a hell of a lot. 135kw in this day and age is terrible in terms of power, especially in a petrol engine with very little torque. Compound a heavy SUV body and you have a slug.

        The Jeep footage you are talking about was the first iteration of the Grand Cherokee, the new model is called a WK2, and does not suffer from the moose test issue. It has a 5 star crash rating on 2014 models. Get your facts straight before you spew.

        'I obviously don't know what i'm talking about' I can't argue with you here, for everything else:

        'Get your facts right.'

      • +13

        @throton82, "Lexus are essentially luxury cars for people who know nothing about cars" that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard and I stopped reading the rest of your post after that because clearly I can tell you don't know anything about cars, here let me rephrase it for you,
        "lexus are essentially luxury cars for people who know the difference between a good reliable brand and an unreliable overrated POS brand, lexus is for the people who want the most reliable cars and the best bang for buck instead of a POS badge on the bonnet."
        to the OP, lexus hands down, because "best build quality" better value, will last a long time, wont cost as much as the audi to maintain.
        and I strongly recommend you have a look at the all new lexus NX.

    • +1

      Didn't the Jeep fail the "MOOSE" test miserably ?

    • Agreed re: Lexus. I'd definitely go the Q5. Audis surprisingly aren't that expensive to service if you negotiate to get servicing agreed upfront (e.g. corporate pack).

      In terms of other options, Evoque would be good and 4 door is in this price range. Newer but you may find it too small. The new Jeeps are out and reasonably priced like you mentioned, but I don't think off roading or ruggedness is that important especially if you're more interested in the luxury aspect, so stick with the Euros in my opinion.

      As another option, Tiguan or Touraeg?

    • +4

      "Lexus are essentially luxury cars for people who know nothing about cars, they are Toyota's with leather seats" - What about the ISF? IS350? or various other models? This isn't the early 2000's.

      "It didn't even exist in Japan until recently. Rumour has it that Lexus is an acronym for Luxury Exports to the United States." - Quite the slippery slope you have going on there.

    • +5

      Are you kidding? You're recommending a JEEP over a European car? Jeeps are one of the most unreliable cars you can buy.

      • -1

        agree…anyways how did jeep end up in lexus vs audi conversation…..

    • +9

      You bag Lexus, the most reliable car badge in the world, and recommend a Jeep?

      Not sure if serious or trolling.

    • What ways are the Volvo 5 Cylinder engines average? I have an S80 D5 and a XC90 with the 2.5 5 cylinder petrol and I think they're great.

      • -1

        It aint a Jeep tho.

  • +5

    OP - are you looking for off road capabilities?

    The RX/Q5/Evoque are not off roaders, buy a Prado - they hold better value and can off-road.

    Lexus has the better resale value and reliability in the long term vs the Q5.

    I've read good things about the Grand Cherokee, but it's a Jeep so…. not sure what long term reliability is like, what do they say about Jeeps and Lemons lol. Same can be said about the Range Rover but at least you get a nice interior, not a fan of the evoques interior though.

    Lexus = Luxury Export to the US but has dominated US luxury car sales since its inception, caused the germans to decrease prices and decrease development times for its flagships - do you remember when the S class and 7 series had a decade long cycle before Lexus released the LS and screwed it all up.

  • Thanks for all the suggestions, No I am not going to take it off road, as said its going to be a weekend use to swim lessons and occasional trips to Canberra / Hunter valley etc. I am not very fussy about the power of the car, as I am almost never going to put it thru the test, I am happy as long as its responsive and I don't have to push the pedal hard to get it going. My mail question is around long term reliability and service costs, I don't want to get a car which has to be taken to the dealership often and the dealer to charges exuberant prices for everything.
    thanks again,

    • +16

      Go with what whirlpool says and get the Lexus if it's long term dependability and reliability that you want.

      BuuBox on whirlpool sums it up:

      "The Audi is impeccably finished.

      The Lexus is impeccably built."

        • +11

          Rubbish in what sense? It's a people mover, OP doesn't need it to off-road. Just a soccer-mum car to kart the kids around.

        • +7

          @thorton82:

          Is that why you see daily crashes with the RX since it was released lol? :P

          OP doesn't want a true 4WD otherwise he'd get a LandCruiser - the gold standard of 4x4. He just wants a nice badge and space for the kiddies.

    • Then buy a Toyota. You don't want a 'luxury' car.

    • +5

      From personal experience, both cars take into dealership once a year for service.

      Lexus rx350 = $850ish, so the rx270 might be cheaper.

      Vw tiguan is average $500 per service. I believe audi charges a higher premium for q5.

      If you take car to service on schedule, most of the time, in the long run, the car will be reliable and will not develop any problems. Just depends if you get a lemon or not. I spoke to someone who owned a rx450 sports luxury that turned out to be a possible lemon the 4th and final year of the warranty period (developed a noise in the steering column, among other things).

      Audi gets best pick out of parts from VAG (volkswagen automotive group) manufacturers, but it is known that in vw cars, there is a likelihood of the gearbox developing a problem (google dsg vw problem). VAG tends to push relatively advanced tech generation(s) earlier than competitors and let consumers be the final stress test.

      Pros and cons - however it weighs, you should ultimately make the decision based on the car you would love to take your family, especially the kids, out with on those long journeys. Think of which car is best for those long road trips?

      If it doesn't matter, and it is purely just the maths of things, the lexus would be the safer choice. Definitely, the better peace of mind.

      • Both cars will have corporate packages the OP may be eligible for this would mean fixed price or free servicing for 3 or 4 years, after that you pay.

      • +1

        Just depends if you get a lemon or not.

        This is very crucial.

        I've seen friends with Tiguans, Touraegs, Passats and Golfs that developed a laundry list of issues, two or three years into a normal stint on suburban and city roads with very little thrashing.

        Someone has to get the duds, even with German-designed cars.

        • +5

          That's normal for VW Group though lol.

  • If you are leaning towards the q5, i recommend you check out the vw tiguan to save the some $$. Although keep in mind the q5 has the stronger diesel.

    If you are leaning towards the rx270, you should either wait for nx300h, or go for a second hand rx350, as opposed to getting a demo unit rx270. Rx270 is a gimped (lesser) version of the rx350 in all ways except passive safety.

    Word of warning with demo units - they usually get thrashed during their engine break-in period, which in the long run, can cause you alot of headache (i.e. Higher chance of mechanical faults to develop).

    But all in all, spending $40-55k on either of these cars is an excellent choice. Why? Because they will offer better protection in case of accident for your family then a similar priced new sedan.

    P.s. Oh yeah, Q5/tiguan can auto park… Hehehe all hail technology =)

    • -8

      A lot of people recommend thrashing a car during its run in period, as opposed to babying the car. I doubt it will cause any real problems later on, and if it did, it would be highly doubtful the OP would still own it then.

      The Rx doesn't offer improved safety, being a large FWD sedan with a high CG, you are going to experience understeer city, straight to the scene of the accident, I would not buy this car. It will be fine 99% of the time, but when you actually get into trouble, it would be the last car you want to be in.

      Also, Im pretty sure the Q5 and tiguan do not share the same chassis.

      • Lol - i need someone else to weigh in on the thrashing part. Doesn't make sense to me and the manual for the luxury cars suggest you baby it for the first 1000km. Is the logic - thrash it so that the problem develops earlier so you can get if fixed whilst under warranty? New cars fresh off the boat still have specialised transportation oil in the engine, i don't see why you would want to thrash the car before the first compulsory service…

        Never said it offered improved or better safety, merely stating they are safe cars. Wait maybe i did say that, well it is due to ride height lol. Better to have the collision to the lower body than to the upper. Sedans do drive better, but at the end of the day, i am not sure how much of an impact that would have if you place a driver that drives safely get into accident that is not his/her fault. Given that situation, i would rather be higher and further away from collision site.

        I compare the q5 to tiguan purely because they are made mostly from similar engineered parts and the q5 has no major advantages (other than engine variants) over the tiguan. I find the tiguan better designed if you like looking outside. Taller windows with relatively higher seating position (relative to bottom of window). Q5 seems to me more cramped (other might say cosy) with a slightly larger boot. You might not get as much luxury in the tiguan compared to q5 top of the range, but you save alot of $$ and can options the majority good stuff (e.g. pano roof, nav, auto park, turning lights, leather with seat heating) available to the q5.

        • I read that the issues caused with Audi TFSI oil consumption (2.0T in particular) could be caused by abusing the engine when new but it looks like it's a common problem with that engine regardless.

          I'm not gonna lie, I really like the X6 even though it's probably the most impractical SUV ever designed with 0 off-road capability.

          Don't think OP is looking for value for money though or he'd buy an ix45 or something cheap like that (Highlander variant comes with Panoramic sunroof!).

        • @maybeamacy: Agreed - Hyundai have beastly pano roof for what you pay. santa fe ftw!

  • +3

    OP - do you qualify for corporate pricing? You get servicing for free, I've never paid for servicing on my E350 and 535i but I just keep the cars for 3 years and cycle them (you have to pay for servicing after warranties up). Audi/Lexus offers nice corporate packaging too.

    • +1 to this.

      • +1

        there is a button for that btw =)

  • +2

    If you want to maintain the Diesel engine you shouldn't drive it for less than 15 mins per trip. Something to do with burning the particulates in some diesel filter (the particulates burn off on warm/hot diesel engine) - if the filter gets clogged engine develops problems = give money to service people to clean/fix issue.

    i don't know anyone that owns one, but was going to buy cx5 diesel until i read lots of issues with mazda diesel and the particulates not burning off completely causing engine oil/management problems etc. Scary for a diesel noob (me) lol.

    Petrol = peace of mind

  • You should look at the XC60 which won't be as nice to drive but may have more features, and the BMW X3 which is similar to the Audi.

  • +4

    Late December last year I bought a Lexus RX 270 X Edition ex demo version for $61,000 they were originally selling it for $88,000 overall it is a great vehicle I drove it to Wollongong and to Gosford twice from Sydney. The Service costs around $750-800 insurance about $1100 with AAMI. The cost to fill up a full tank is around $105. I reckon you could get a demo RX270 for less than $65K at a Lexus dealer.

  • Neither if your gonna spend big get something good. Mercedes CLA 45 AMG. No need to get a hatch on stilts if your only driving around mainly sealed roads and swimming lessons. I've drive the 45 and its insane, 86 is also good for a budget option but no room for kids.

    • +1

      No need to get a hatch on stilts if your only driving around mainly sealed roads and swimming lessons.

      I wish more people would listen to this sage advice…we already have too many douchebags running around in their shitty pretend 4wds.

  • +2

    Audi service is a lot more expensive, average around 700 to 1500 depending on which service it is. What really let me down is the number of issues there are for the audi, especially after the 3 years warranty is expired. I have been back to the dealership 4 times this year and each time with a hefty bill.

    • Botu, out of interest, what model / year / km's did you have / do?

  • +2

    Here's my 2c worth…

    http://www.carsales.com.au/car-research/compare-details.aspx…

    VW Toureg - Biggest in size than all in comparison, more bang for your buck(running+servicing)more airbags than Audi, 1 less than lexus, new shape, a little boring in terms of looks. ANCAP Saftey rating 5
    Audi - More prestigious brand, more aesthetically pleasing on the eye in and out, expensive options list prices. ANCAP Saftey rating 5
    Lexus - Top build quality, Japanese reliability. Std inclusions list are better than Audi. Its a toyota :(
    RR Evoqe - RR has stepped up their game and the drive on this car is excellent, however, i'm not a fan of the shape, smallest in size, ANCAP Saftey rating is a 4!

    All the best with your purchase.

  • +2

    Hi,

    I've spent months researching and looking for an SUV and finally decided on a new Q5 TFSI 2.0 over the weekend.

    Audi is currently discounting their Q5s quite significantly (got mine 15% off driveaway RRP) so the key is on finding a sales guy willing to do so.

    I also managed to get the 3.9% finance and a Corporate deal which throws in 3 yrs free servicing.

    From a looks perspective, I'd say the Jeep Grand Cherokee was definitely a close contender with good price point (White with daytime driving lights, anyone?). However, I calculated it to be of similar cost without the low finance rate, Corporate deal and higher fuel consumption. The Evoque is a looker but looks far too short/small and Lexus is a little dated. Perhaps the X4 if you can wait?

    FYI - price is steep compared to other similar SUVs or what you'd pay in the US and even goes against the OzBargain way. But as a gift for my expecting wife, I'd close my eyes this time on the numbers as long as she enjoys driving the mummy car and it brings a good level of safety.

    As for me, I will continue to drive my 10 year old Jazz.

    Good luck!

    p/s: picking mine up coming weekend. It doesn't take long if you're willing to choose one waiting at the docks!

    • The Q5 is a decent car, but I'd struggle to pay $70k for a car with plastic seats.

    • Did you consider a Touareg?

    • Congrats on your purchase. A Q5 and a Jazz in the garage?! Why not! :)

  • I'm been looking around at luxury SUVs… maybe in a slightly lower price range than yourself. My wife wants an X3, and I've pretty much given up on finding anything comparable for the price.

    (I have limited by search to those offering active cruise though - I've been waiting forever to get that.)

  • +8

    My 2c

    If you are really planning to keep the car for 8-10 years, and everything else other than cost seems equal to you, then the lexus is probably the better bet. If something on the Audi fails (and 8-10 years is a long timeframe), it is going to cost you a pretty penny.

    Something else to consider. Rather than keeping the car for 8-10 years, why not buy something 2-3 years old, and then replace it after 3-4… At the end of the 10 year period, you will have probably spent less, and have a much newer car.

    I bought my first (and probably last) brand new car in September last year. Biggest financial stupidity of my life.

  • +1

    hands down the q5. the interior and drive is far superior to the lexus. i think long term you will be much be happy with the q5. i have driven every audi in the range, q5 is fantastic.

  • +1

    If you are an OzBargain member, buy price, servicing, running costs and resale value are all obviously very important issues.

    If you keep a euro vehicle for 8-10 years like you say, expect servicing, maintenance and resale value to take a major hit near the end of that period. Have a look at similar euro/luxury cars from 8-10 years and check their prices online. You'll often see that their owners have spent big money on maintenance.

    If you are committed to trying something with a euro or luxury badge, exercise caution and be prepared to sell sooner.

    Don't write off something like a Prado that has great resale and real off road capability if you want to go down that path.

    Enjoy your new purchase. Good luck!

  • +3

    If you're not planning to go off-road, why get an SUV? Honestly wagons are better in almost every way- driving dynamics, price, running cost, safety, and practicality. I get that some people value the lofty seating position and easier access, especially if they have a baby, but is it really worth it?

    • +4

      Hmmm… yes it is.

      I will get flamed for this but I have put my wife and 2 young daughters in a SUV. If you have to put kids in and buckle them regularly, it is much easier to not have to bend down to them. Sure you will do just fine if you are young and don't have back problems but it is a nice luxury nevertheless.

      She actually does not like driving such a big car and does not like parking it but she is careful and because the chance of her overdriving it and crashing into anything is so remote that I'd rather that my family is protected in case idiots run into her.

      My thoughts for the OP is that if you only drive few kms per year, do consider buying a 2-3 yrs old car with preferably less than 20000 km on the clock.

      If you are going to keep it for awhile as well, then definitely go for the Lexus.

      Cheers.

  • -1

    Thanks everyone for the comments and suggestion, all positive and constructive. Just to answer a few questions, and give more background
    1) Why Luxury SUV: Have been driving a Mazda 3 for the last 7 years, want to have a taste of Luxury now ;-), also have always wanted to drive one, love the elevated position on the road, make you feel safe and in control.
    2) Why keep for 8 to 10 years? I think and have experienced that while the car is in warranty normally nothing goes wrong, and as I won't be doing many KM's per year, there is very less chance that any major service will be required, after the warranty, it will be just standard services and tyres, and that when you really get the most benefit out of the car.
    3) Why not considering /Jeep / Toureg/ Prado ? feels like mini Trucks and also most of them are V6, think they are over kill for my needs.
    4) Why not Tiguan / CRV and likes? : they are more like a mazda 3 on stilts, not much different driving experience form the one I am driving currently.
    5)Don't qualify for a Corporate pricing, don't have an ABN

    My current position: Leaning towards Lexus Rx 270, will be test driving Volvo CX60 soon and then search search search for a good deal for the next couple of weeks,

    Again thanks for all the advice/comments/feedback and 2c's (prefer if they were $'s :-))

      • +3

        135kw in a car that size is a joke. FWD in an SUV is a joke.

        So the vehicle will struggle to take those kids to swimming classes up the road?

        • +1

          @thorton82:

          All luxury entry cars are underpowered. Why do people buy C180s/318i's when you can have a V8 Commodore for the same price with a lot more options?

          I think you're shopping for best value, practical and something that gives you the best bang for buck - like a true ozbargainer.

          OP just wants a bit of luxury, something to bring the kids around in, reliable and that he personally enjoys.

        • +1

          @thorton82:

          Not sure where do you live? rural country? or are you speed hoon?

          but most of the streets around me and what i called "normal" driving is around 40-80km/h

      • +5

        @thorton82, the negs speak for themselves :)

    • +1

      One thing I'd give a bit of thought to is that the Q5 and RX270 have been out since 2009 (both have received mid life facelifts). If you need to buy new make sure not to overpay - discounting is heavier towards end of the life cycle.

      If it's not going to get much use, is it worth spending big $ on? I wouldn't be so quick to write off the likes of a Prado - optioned up they are stunning, it'll last ages, have rock solid reliability and good resale. Yes a v6 might sound like overkill but if you're not doing a lot of kms the fuel consumption shouldn't be a big issue and you want that power on motorways for your road trips.

      Don't get the badge and the driving experience mixed up - you might find that getting a bare bones Audi or Lexus might not be as nice an experience as an optioned up Toyota. I'd stay away from diesel from what you've said abt your usage, and away from FWD if you're doing road trips in cars this heavy.

    • +2

      "make you feel safe and in control."

      Feeling "safe and in control" is different to actually being safe and in control. An increase in perceived safety isn't necessarily a good thing for you or those round you.

      Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_sport_utility_vehi…

    • Why keep for 8 to 10 years? I think and have experienced that while the car is in warranty normally nothing goes wrong, and as I won't be doing many KM's per year, there is very less chance that any major service will be required, after the warranty, it will be just standard services and tyres, and that when you really get the most benefit out of the car.

      You obviously haven't owned a Volkswagen then. I'd say the experience within my group of friends is 30% have major problems (yup DSG related) and 70% have trouble free motoring. They all buy new cars and all cars are under 3 years old. A major service is required when the service manual says it's required. The servicing is based on years/distance, which ever comes first.

      You do realise how expensive the servicing and tyres are on luxury cars? Also, do you think short drives with a diesel is a good idea?

      Just remember to buy factory extended warranty. The Lexus one will take you from 4 to 7 years. Audi from 3 to 4 years. Volvo from 3 to 5 years.

      I'd go: Volvo XC60, Lexus RX270 thaen Audi Q5. Actually, I would buy a wagon such as a V60 or Skoda Octavia RS as they are more practical and use less petrol/diesel.

      I have to say that I have never driven the Q5 so this is a bit unfair.
      * Volvo XC60 because: Decent drive, safety features, integrated boosters because I'm lazy, real leather but shit turning circle and will miss out on the new generation of engines.
      * Lexus RX270 because: Toyota/Lexus reliability, simple drivetrain, decent size but wow that fuel consumption. This and the Volvo for long term reliability.
      * Audi Q5 because: That 8 speed ZF would be awesome but the high-torque 7 speed S tronic would be pretty good too. Diesel and short trips = $$.

  • +7

    btw other things to consider are:

    1. with lexus, you get much better service from the dealer compare to other euro brands. also you get a free loan car during your car service. or they will come to you and drop your car off etc.

    2. free encore program: usually 4 years free road side assist too.

    3. this might be biased. since there are so many bmw and benz on the road, i don't even think twice when i see one. but if i see a new IS3 lexus, i am like: woo, nice car. but that's prob just me.

    edit: regardless, plz test drive them all and make up your mind later. when i bought my Rx270 early this year, i test drove X1, X3 and Q5, but i picked RX in the end. car is a very personal thing, other people can tell you all the figures on the paper regarding their performance, safty features, fuel comsuption etc, in the end, you and your wife will be the one drive it, so pick what you like.

  • +1

    Suburu Tribeca is a lot better than glorified Toyota and Q7 is a big no. I waited 2 months on two occasions to get parts from Audi ( Doncaster). Service is pathetic….They are great when you buy a car and its so low when a time comes for service.
    I had to yell and shout to get a replacement similar car when I had to park and leave my car there for two months….

    I love my Tribeca and it comes with all gadgets…….pretty much. Do check out!

  • +5

    I got a Q5 a couple of years ago - great car except mine drinks oil like its going out of fashion. So much so that it even failed Audi's own (very generous) oil consumption standards so they had to rebuild the whole engine. If you look online you will see that excessive oil consumption is one of the main issues (and maybe the only big issue) with the Audi Q5.

    Thankfully mine was under warranty otherwise it would have cost about $5k. I don't know if this issue has been fixed with the new models.

    From my test drive experience a couple of years back, the XC60 was crap to drive compared to the Q5. The Lexus was meh, didn't feel very powerful, and I couldn't bring myself to pay the same for a Japanese car as I would for a German car, call me a victim of marketing.
    The Evoque was good to drive, very responsive, but not a lot of boot space.

    • Audis in general consume a lot of oil if it's a TFSI engine.

      • Engine oil? I find mine has to keep driving back to the dealer to top up in between dealship service. I was told this is normal.

        • Are you serious?

          This would drive me nuts. Even if the dealer is on the way to work, this would be to me considered to have a cost value given the time I would have to use to get this looked at. I'd be demanding that they give me a spare 5 L container of oil so that I can do the top up at home.

          Looks like I'd be steering away from Audi's and VW's cars (I'd never been interested in them anyway, as I think that they tend to make some of blandest cars out there-even the R8 never looked appealing to me).

          Cheers.

        • Yep, engine oil… Audi claim it's fine to go back to the dealer for regular oil top-ups between services. If you buy an Audi out of warranty lol… good luck.

  • +6

    Many good points made by different people, but yes - for your specific needs, I'd say go with the Lexus.

    Thorton82 got dat Lexus hate.

    • or he might be working for VAG group?

  • +4

    OP, just stick with those two choices and choose what YOU like more. Simple as that.
    These comments are going to be biased either way.

    From my personal experience of the two.
    The Q5 had problems with the BT not working from factory and after the warranty period was up, a coil pack went bad. But the drive is decent, smooth and a good cruiser.
    The RX270 is nice but the engine being a 4 cylinder doesn't sound that pleasant, especially compared to the 450h.
    Would have more features standard and cost less than the Q5.

    Service costs, the audi is a tad more expensive, got a base a3 as a loaner. lexus service is definitely second to none, got a 3is f sport loaner. (pick up your car if you want or drop it off & the complementary chocolates)

    Drive them both again and then determine which you like better, ergonomics wise, nvh wise etc and also the price you can get.
    Long term over 8-9 years, the Lexus will be more reliable.

  • some experience here - Q5 T2.0 has some oil burning issue, took it to dealer complimentary monthly oil top ups of 1.5 litre or when the low oil indicator lights up. Great for a brand new 90k car. I would pick the lexus over the audi for reliability. Have also had IS250 for a while only problem that I had in my now 5th year of ownership was a dead battery at the end of the 3rd year mark, still under warranty at that time. One phone call on that sunday morning and 1 hour later an RACV battery guy came out and replaced the battery free of charge (I consider them a consumerable item - was surprised free of charge). With regards to fuel economy personally as long as the difference is not too much between the options it's not much of a deal breaker.

    • +2

      Complementary oil top-ups , 1.5 litres per month. How jolly decent of them :)

      • True re top up. Driveway service excellent, but annoying,
        Would be an issue when the warranty runs out and if the car does not go back to dealership service.

    • +1

      All turbo cars will burn a little oil - well worth it for the fuel saving benefits. Its annoying, not a deal breaker. The on board management/monitoring software will tell you that the oil levels are low.

    • Who on earth would pay $90k for a 2.0 Q5? That is a 70k car, even kitted out with everything you wouldn't pay more than 80k. You can get the 3.0 for less than 90k.

      • $90 is crazy, ie bought an ex demo around $70k. depreciated and sold after 3 years for $30k.

  • +3

    Negging a member in their own thread???

    You lot are supposed to be giving advice on the 2 cars he/she asked about.

    Mind you its strange asking about expensive cars on Ozbargain :/

  • +2

    Hi Sunny,

    You do not need ABN for corporate pricing. Requirement for Audi is that your present employer (if you're an employee) needs to be top 1000 in BRW or had a few buyers in the past few years.

    Don't see any harm in asking and I am sure there are Corporate benefits with Lexus or any other brands if you're buying a new car.

    But remember to negotiate the price to your satisfaction first before asking so they can't factor that in during your negotiations. And ask for as many freebies as you can (eg. mats,boot tray,full tank of fuel,accessories etc)!!

    Cheers

    • Of the big 3 Germans, Audi is definitely the most lax with the corporate plans. You can haggle a lot (I walked away from a deal and they kept dropping the price even with corporate pack as I signed the paperwork for my Benz).

      On another note, if second hand is available, maybe look up X5M/X6Ms? My family has an X6M and I had a lot of fun driving that for a while.

  • +2

    Heard some nightmare stories with German car repair costs.

    • True story.

  • Yes German car is a ripoff. Get a Toyota :). If you are rich then get a Porche.

    • This brings back good memory. On a trip to Asia, sister in law yelled " So cheap..so cheap. Look at this KooKai Shirt". Read the label closely. It was KooKei.

  • i30

  • Have you thought about either a Rav or Kluger instead. I reviewed all of them and I went with the Kluger…

    If you have the budget - look at the Lexus RX Hybrid.

  • My question is, over the long run, which car would be more value for money and economical to run?

    Is this a troll thread? Obviously neither of them.
    They whole point of luxury cars is that they are expensive and inefficient. If you want economical comfort, get a Corolla or a Civic.
    If you want a status symbol, to keep up with the other school families, don't kid yourself talking about MPG and economies.
    You cannot have both. If it was cheap, it would not be luxury.
    Unless of course, your peers do value perceived "green" efficiency, in which case, a hybrid SUV. Porsche Cayenne?

    How about giving your budget, and asking what use of that will give the most status-points with your peers.

  • +1

    The additional safety of an SUV is only perceived. Actual safety is less. In the event of accident you may be safer but you are more likely to have one.

    Why not a Subaru Outback, Forester or Volvo wagon?

    Importing an Infiniti SUV might be the OzB thing to do (I have a coupe). Something different and great value. Check the economy though.

  • The Q5 shares its platform with the upcoming Porsche Macan. I think from a handling perspective, the Audi Q5 will be head and shoulders above the Lexus. I don't know about the engine (I haven't driven one) but if you don't mind a diesel, I would get the Q5. What did you think on the test drives?

  • +3

    I've owned/driven a few 4x4's during the last 30 odd years (and yes, I actually did take them off road). Last year I got rid of my 4x4 and bought a conventional 2WD station wagon.

    I cannot tell you in enough words how so much better it is driving a normal car in metro traffic. The acceleration, handling and better fuel economy far outweigh any 4x4/SUV. The cost savings on insurance, parts and servicing is a good reason not to own a large vehicle.

    The cost of owning a 4x4/SUV is something not many people consider when they buy one and they just dive in without any research until they have to replace a set of tyres or some other consumable and then get the shock of their lives when they're quoted the price.

    In regards to Audi and any other luxury vehicle I say this. Beware!

    Audi have a lot to answer for by including a spare valet key in the owner's manual. Check and see how many Audi's have been stolen this year because some enterprising car thief discovered the spare key and spread the word.

    Now almost every car thief is breaking into other luxury cars believing that they too have a spare key.

    Just my two cents worth.

  • -1

    A true Ozbargainer will buy a Toyota land cruiser and sticking a Lexus badge on it…. Hang on… They already do that.. The Rx270 is based on the kluger chassis with a redesign and a higher price.

    I like the Range Rover Evouqe.

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