Police told me they were allowed to "break the rules". For Yogurberry.

Update: Hey guys, it's clear there is quite a divide in opinion on how things should have gone down. I've explained myself as best as I can and I have managed to convince some who were originally critical. I find myself having to repeat what I've already written down, so if you have genuine concern, make sure you read the entire comment thread before you have a go. I probably won't be replying anymore, it's really quite draining to have to repeat the same thing over and over!

Thanks for the support.

Also thanks Mods, for removing personal attacks.

Posted this on a forum and fb page, but thought it'd be useful here.

So… A little story from a couple of nights ago:

Was walking home one night, dark and wet, when I saw a police car indicate to turn right at a traffic light. Instead of looking ahead for oncoming traffic, he turns his head right around, as if to look at the cars that have just passed. "He must be looking to pull someone over" I thought. Instead, he pulls an illegal U-turn, no flashing lights or sirens, then parks the car a few metres up the road. Another unit turns around the corner and pulls up behind.

1 male officer from the 1st vehicle, and 1 male and 1 female officer from the 2nd get out of their cars and… head into YOGURBERRY (frozen dessert place, for those folks not into the asian dessert scene). "W T F" was my first thought.

I walk in, ask to speak to the male officer and say to him "Sir, you realise you just did an illegal U-turn at a traffic light". He gives me attitude and turns away, female officer rolls her eyes at me, and the 1st male officer then tells me "we are allowed to break the rules". I pointed out that they were not on a job and had no authority to break any laws, and they all simply said "yes, we do" and cited s305 (Australian Road Rules) as letting them "break the rules".

So I left and went back to the cars to take down the details. Male officer 1 comes out and tries to talk to me in a more receptive tone, saying "if you wanted more specific details, you could have just asked". I tell him "the only reason you're speaking to me now is because you know I'm taking your details down. You treated me with no respect and you just turned and dismissed me" blablabla.

I went home, looked up s305 (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/…) and found that police are exempt from the road rules only if:

  • the driver is taking reasonable care, and
  • it is reasonable that the provision should not apply, and
  • if the vehicle is a motor vehicle that is moving-the vehicle is displaying a blue or red flashing light or sounding an alarm.

I called the station manager that night and explained everything. His first reaction was a big "Oh………… This is not good"
I told him I was disappointed because I had the courtesy to let the office know he broke a law, and they all gave me attitude, tried to mislead me with a legal reference and essentially tried to bully me to go away.

The station manager called me back last night after he talked to all the officers. He said "it's not on" that they did what they did, spoke to me about how police need the public support and if they are to enforce the laws, they need to abide by them too. I left it up to him to figure out the proper disciplinary action, but I told him I wanted a personal apology from that 1st officer. Pfft, unlikely that I'll get one!

Moral of the story is: everyone is subject to the same laws, a police officer is not exempt. Don't let yourself be bullied. Know the laws and know your rights.

Hope this info proves handy for someone in the future.


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  • +124

    Good on you! How would you expect others to obey the law when the police is blatantly breaking it?

    • +11

      Damn straight bloody good on you OP, more people should stand up to the bastards

  • +69

    LOL I'd give you a high five.

    and another lol @ the thought of some tough-acting cops giving you attitude while eating their dainty froyos in the pretty neon lit fairy-floss-pink decor of Yogurberry.

    • +11

      Once they get all sugared up there's no stopping them…

      • A good policeman should issue these policemen a double even triple penalties. definitely some disciplinary actions. sound like just rats on rats

    • +2

      @waterlogged turnip your comment made my day lol

  • +13
    1. Good on you!!! Give a man uniform and some authority and we all now what happens….
      (I think a lot of us have to deal with security guards, who think they are god because they wear a uniform and sit at some gate (but were to **** to get a proper job) on a regular basis )

    2. Some of worst "crooks" work in the force. I know from first hand (family and some old school mates in the force).
      Don't get me wrong maybe not actual criminals, but definitely not 100% (or even 75%) law abiding citizen if you know what I mean. Most of them might be good lads if you know them. But a lot of them think they are above the law and get away with almost anything (also because they cover each others back side in that club).
      Mind you it has changed/improved a LOT in the last 30 years (to the better) but it is still far from perfect.

    3. While I totally agree with you I doubt this has ANY consequences at all. If at all the manger MIGHT have spoken to him. And if so they probably agreed that some annoying, ungrateful little ****** had nothing better to do than waste their time with such a complaint…..

    PS: please note that this based mainly on my experience with the police force back in good old Germany- but I doubt it is that much different here in OZ.

    • +14

      While I totally agree with you I doubt this has ANY consequences at all. If at all the manger MIGHT have spoken to him. And if so they probably agreed that some annoying, ungrateful little ****** had nothing better to do than waste their time with such a complaint…..

      This. Totally. I very much doubt any real 'disciplinary action' would be taken. Cops look out for each other from the top of the ranks down to the bottom.

      • +11

        They probably didn't get any disciplinary action, you're right. But they probably did get told not to give a member of the public the attitude again, which does go half-way towards what the OP was after in making the complaint. OP ALSO wanted the cops not to break rules that the general public have to abide by, but I'm not sure we're going to get that…

        • +17

          This. The attitude is what killed it for me.
          I would have been fine if he said to me "I see where you're coming from, I broke the law and I'm sorry". Would have walked out of Yogurberry completely fine. But he gave me attitude and turned away, and the lady officer rolled her eyes at me.
          So yes, I made a big deal out of it because the officer tried to bluff me with his bullsh*t ARR section and I called it.

      • +7

        lol one neg so far - I was waiting to see how many coppers browsed OzB ;)

        • -3

          Some of worst "crooks" work in the force. I know from first hand

          oh yea, i know it first hand in aus as well. most (maybe all?) are at least corrupt in as much as they knowingly break the laws themselves both while at work and off the clock. they lie and cheat in any way they can to make something stick (be it a simple fine or something worse) then wonder why people have no respect for the filth… is it really that hard to understand guys?

          They probably didn't get any disciplinary action

          at most they would have been told not to get caught again, or be smarter about how they go about breaking the laws. there just feeding OP a line so OP dosnt take it further into an actual complaint.

          OP next time your going to confront a cop set your fone to record voice and stick it back in a pocket where it will still pick up the conversation, its completely legal to record your interactions between you and the pigs they just hate it caus it so often proves just what sort of filth they are

          PS, i hate cops…..

        • +2

          @nosdan: Except when your stuff gets robbed and you need to call them to help?

        • +1

          @fatal: They can never do anything anyway. Just waste your time.

        • +5

          In America, my dad saw a cop car use its sirens to get past the red light then pulled into a starbucks, my dad followed them and confronted them asked for their badge number because he was going to report them. Later on the senior cop asked not to report it.

          @nosdan:

          Yes its legal to record but i do not believe that is the case if you do it surreptitiously like you suggest, and even if it was you cant use it as evidence. You should be able to film your interaction on your phone though.

          As for "i hate cops" I would just love one day for you to need police assistance the dissonance would be torture for you. Yes some police are assholes, most are quite nice though. Without them the even bigger assholes would get away with everything, the roads are definitely safer with the police taking drunk and drug drivers off.

        • +1

          @nosdan:

          the worst of the drink drivers still just lose there licences and keep driving anyway. these are the ones who cause the accidents not the guy thats had 3 beers instead of only 2 at the pub after work and blows slightly over the limit on his way home which is the ones who get caught most of the time.

          What do you suggest the cops do? Babysit those serial offenders and stupid drivers? How can you expect to solve the bigger issue if the smaller issues (which could lead to or become big issues) aren't controlled? That guy mightve taken 1 extra drink tonight, then tomorrow night 2 extra drinks cause he felt alright the previous night etc. That one extra drink could cost someones life.

          2) takes peoples eyes off the road to constantly check the speed they are doing adding to the inattention of drivers

          You dont need to be looking at your speedometer every 5 seconds, and it shouldnt take more than a quick glance to ensure you're going at the right speed. Once you got that speed, keep your foot still on the accelerator to keep a constant speed. If you cant do that, perhaps you need some experience and practice.

          yet how long has ABS brakes and stability control been common in cars? 20-30 years now? still not in every car is it? why not? do these things really not prevent accidents? do they not lessen the severity of an accident?

          Are you suggesting the cops to track down every single old car and force them to either buy a new car or install ABS brakes on (somehow and assuming everyone can afford it too)? While its a good suggestion, its probably difficult and costly to enforce.

          Some things are easier said than done.

        • -7

          That guy mightve taken 1 extra drink tonight, then tomorrow night 2 extra drinks cause he felt alright the previous night etc. That one extra drink could cost someones life.

          see again you have fallen into the propaganda. i mean they had to change the laws years ago just to skew the figures enough to get stupid people to believe there message, many years ago they changed the rules that if you were found to be over the limit and someone crashed into you you would automatically be at fault. why did they do this ask yourself? simply so they could give skewed/one sided statistics to "prove" that "drivers over the limit cause xxx crashes" when in fact a great percentage of them were in fact not only not the fault of the "drunk driver" but caused by "sober" inattentive drivers.

          this is not to say that i believe real drunk driving dosnt happen and cause of some accidents, but we hear those on the tv/radio anyway caus its usually drunk off there heads in a stolen car driven through a house etc. if the true unskewed statistics were available it would be obvious this is true but of course these arent even available let alone published.

          You dont need to be looking at your speedometer every 5 seconds

          yes, you do. your speed creeps up and down depending on road conditions, traffic/slip streaming and a whole host of other issues, and if the police propaganda tells us that even a single km/h over the speed limit turns you into some crazed maniac that drives over young babys constantly…. and they usually have there cameras at the bottom of hills etc where unless your paying close attention your either going to slowly and a hazard and impeeding traffic flow or you are going to fast and a maniac that should be locked away for the good of the community (ok… well just a fine and some points… but you get my meaning)

          Are you suggesting the cops to track down every single old car and force them to either buy a new car or install ABS brakes

          (1991 holdens were putting ABS in there cars)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore_%28VP%29} and yet its still considered on a lot of vehicles as a luxury item (an optional extra), if my maths is correct thats around 23 years since abs was "common" (common enough to be put in your crappy family sedan)… why 23 years later is it still not a requirement in all new cars? if it was a mandated requirement like seatbelts are it would literally add cents to the real cost of a new car. why is it not mandated for all cars in those 23 years? because they dont care about saving lives, so if they dont care about saving lives what are the billions of dollars wasted on this corrupt business called the police for then? (and yes it is a business, they have profits and they have KPI "targets" they have to adhere to just like any other profit making business)

        • @nosdan:

          What was the participation size in the study you've done to get that 99% figure?

          Is that a factual claim or just an uneducated guess?

        • @nosdan:

          "i mean they had to change the laws years ago just to skew the figures enough to get stupid people to believe there message"

          Mate, you can't even construct a sentence without a spelling error and you're calling other people stupid?

        • -4

          @arcticmonkey:

          im sorry i forgot we had to hand this up to the teacher to get marked on spelling and grammatical accuracies at the end of class… oh wait, no… this is just the internet… spelling and grammar nazis need not apply

          exactly where in that did i call cops stupid? quite the contrary they are very evil and cunning. if your going to try and act intelligent the very least you can do is be sure as to not have made such a stupid rookie mistake

        • Why people neg? People just hate cops for no good reason,

        • +1
  • +17

    Good work! I've seen a police car turn on its sirens and doing a U-turn into traffic only to swing into Hungry Jacks drive through 100m down the road.

    I would ask for written confirmation of what disciplinary action was taken.

    • +12

      Well he might have been really hungry, i consider that an emergency :P

      • +17

        Bad things can happen when people are hangry…

        From Urban Dictionary:

        Hangry
        When you are so hungry that your lack of food causes you to become angry, frustrated or both.

  • +7

    Well done my friend. We need more people like you.

    • +16

      I don't think you read my post properly mate…

      "This post will be negged to oblivion in less than 5 minutes"

      I believe yours will.

    • +20

      I have no dislike for police. I still negged you because you missed the point entirely.

    • +10

      While I agree with a lot of your points made you can not compare (IMHO) this to a "normal" person/job.
      They have high responsibility and should LEADING BY EXAMPLE.

      Do as I say, don't do as I do….or what????

    • +11

      Police are well aware of what is expected of them. They know illegal u-turns or talking on their mobile phone when it's not essential to their immediate task is not the right thing to do.

      They are only given limited power to break laws in exceptional circumstances, not as a perk.

      NSW Police Force Standards of Professional Conduct
      The people of NSW are entitled to be served by police who demonstrate the highest levels of ethics, integrity and professionalism.

      As an individual, misconduct demonstrates your inability to act ethically and undermines your capacity to perform effectively while putting your professional future at risk. Misconduct also erodes community confidence in the NSW Police Force as a whole, making it more difficult for you and your fellow employees to do what is already complex and often dangerous work.

      Police are expected to obey the law and have a duty to "protect the reputation of the NSW Police Force through appropriate behaviour". They "must always act lawfully and never in a way that brings, or is likely to bring discredit to the NSW Police Force".

      Code of Conduct and Ethics
      6. comply with the law whether on or off duty
      The NSW Police Force is responsible for upholding the law. Unlawful and/or criminal conduct by employees of the NSW Police Force is incompatible with that role and also likely to bring the NSW Police Force into disrepute.
      All employees of the NSW Police Force are expected to comply with the law at all times.

    • +13

      So if I performed an illegal u-turn, and got caught, could I use the argument that I had a crap day at work and get off the fine? I somehow doubt it…

        • +4

          No… You can't, actually…

        • -1

          Are you a cop? No, then shut up.

    • +9

      More so because he's a police, he should be above the law at all times. If you're in law enforcement, it is of utmost importance to have integrity and a professional conduct when dealing with civilians.

      So because the police officer may have been assaulted or worked on a murder scene, he's entitled to break the law? So because I have a bad day at work I can go around killing people then. No amount of justification will negate that.

      For reference, my uncle and cousins are in the police and I have no dislike for them / police.

      • LOL
        "More so because he's a police, he should be above the law at all times"
        I think you meant
        "More so because he's a police, he should ABIDE the law at all times"

        Only ALL's not right as if in execution of lawful duties with lights flashing then the usual rules that apply to most, don't to the cops which is fair enough.

        Sound's like these were just flagrantly breaking the law and then BS when challenged.
        That's the whole point of this thread.

        My only experience is a girl I dated a few times had a cop as her last boyfriend before me.
        Night of my first sleepover he did burn outs outside her place in the street in a marked cruiser to let us know he knew wasn't happy she had moved on.

    • +1

      although I understand where you are coming from, but I believe you totally missed his point.

      I for one is not really a law abiding citizen myself, I break the traffic law couple of times (not really proud of it) but when I got caught, I didn't argue with the cops because I was fully aware of what I did and it was wrong.

      His point is that, if you know you are wrong and you got caught, then least you can do is apologise and bear the consequences. These cops however did not, hence he reported them.

      • +5

        I for one is not really a law abiding citizen myself…

        Not trying to be a grammar nazi, but that sounds so much like Ali G…R.E.S.T.E.C.P! :)

    • -6

      yeah basically the op has way too much time on his hands……… people negging it have no real life and live in fantasy land, and get their jollies to feel good.

  • +3

    The not too distant future I see the local police boss getting dozens of you tube links every night.

  • +6

    I often see police motor bikes (like a few of them at once) riding in the park on the footpaths just to avoid traffic or get to a park bench where they can have a chat/lunch. I'd like to see someone else getting away with that. Never put in the effort to confront them so good on you for speaking up OP.

    • +4

      Well done bodacious, you've managed to completely misinterpret the message I was trying to get across.

  • +40

    I'm picturing Chief Wiggum typing up the report on his imaginary typewriter.

    Thanks for the laugh OP

    A great story.

  • +1

    It's OK, they probably read the manual wrong.

    the driver is taking reasonable care, and/or;

    He did it while caring for his taste buds. :)

  • +23

    I'm a bit conflicted on this, as I like cops to use a bit of human discretion when they deal with me if I pull up for a moment in a bus zone to drop off my kid when nobody else is around, or am doing 63km/h in a 60 zone.
    I wouldn't like to see police abusing their privileges, but in this case it seems as though the u-turn was safe and harmless.
    While I don't agree with the attitude they took afterward, it seems a bit ungenerous to call them on the rule-break in the first place.

    • +7

      As I mentioned in the first sentence, it was a dark and wet night. I've lived in the area for a while, and I've seen a fair few drivers also make illegal u-turns at that intersection. Every time I see it, I cringe, because it's a high pedestrian area and a major road (Anzac parade).

      All in all, I honestly felt it was a slightly dangerous situation. It was late, it had only recently been raining, 60km/h, 3 lane wide road. Not on really, for anyone.

      • +8

        Also, from what you wrote, the cop "failed the attitude test" ;)

    • +3

      Also, stopping at a bus zone is entirely different to making a u-turn at an intersection. No where near as bad :)
      You'll be too busy looking at oncoming traffic to consider:
      1. Cars on your right that can "turn left on red"
      2. Pedestrians not expecting you
      And if there was a car behind you, there's a chance he's expecting you to accelerate whereas you're still going slowly to do a u-turn = ram up the backside.

    • +4

      I'm 2 demerit points down.
      Mother and father in law call my wife and inform us they've been involved in a major (car was written off) accident.

      No cars on main road, one commodore in side street (T-intersection with lights) a few hundred metres away. Of course as I turn around, he speeds up in his unmarked police car and follows me.

      He asked me why, and after explaining he said that he hasn't heard anything on the radio about it, so must not be serious.

      Unfortunately, 'human discretion' isn't what most cops will do.

    • +1

      I agree, that its good if the police use a bit of human discretion, but shouldn't that discretion be available to everyone, if the police are treating one person differant from another, for the same offence, that is wrong.

  • +14

    Wow … Stuff the third world, I have first world problems!

    Karma

  • +1

    The problem I have is you acted like a toss. I'm all for reporting a cop verballing me when I did nothing wrong but you saw they did wrong and tested him to respond properly. Only a smart ass has the courtesy to let an officer know he broke the law. It's a big deal for a law enforcer to break the law. Enjoy the disciplinary action you wish for.

    • +32

      "Only a smart ass has the courtesy to let an officer know he broke the law."

      I see. So by your logic, any officer that breaks the law should NEVER be told he broke the law. To stand up for oneself would be, in your words, a smart ass.

      I acted with nothing but respect to them, until they chose to treat me with none. So explain to me again how I was a tosser in this situation?

      • +21

        Agreed. What they did was not right.

        The right to do would have been for them to buy you a Yogurberry

      • -5

        As I said you tested him to respond properly. A toss tells him out of courtesy, it's different if you were standing up for yourself. He treated you with disrespect, as I said, enjoy the disciplinary action you wish on him.

        • +6

          Grasstown, let's get one thing straight. I wasn't interested in finding out what disciplinary action was going to be taken. Why, because I don't care.
          All I want is for those officers to not think they can treat you or me or anyone else the way they treated me.
          If you neg me for that… Then I dunno mate.

        • +1

          @JahjaMan: i havnt negged you. But you can't stand on the sidelines prodding with comments like "Sir, you realise you just did an illegal U-turn at a traffic light", "pointed out that they were not on a job and had no authority to break any laws,", "So I left and went back to the cars to take down the details", "I told him I was disappointed because I had the courtesy to let the office know he broke a law, and they all gave me attitude, tried to bullsht a legal reference and essentially tried to bully me to fck off.", " I left it up to him to figure out the proper disciplinary action, but I told him I wanted a personal apology from that 1st officer". All of these actions have an agenda. They're couched very polite, but they aren't polite.

        • +10

          @grasstown:
          I said "sir you…" because he should know not to break the law, as a law enforcing officer himself.

          I pointed out they were not on a job only AFTER he gave me attitude, turned away, lady officer rolled her eyes at me, before turning back around to tell me "we're allowed to break the rules".

          I only went back to the vehicles after he also challenged me to "take it up if you want to, go ahead", another disrespectful comment to try and ascertain his authority over me.

          And I wanted an apology for the way he treated me, and for trying to mislead me by referencing a legal section. His only remorse would be that I work with the law everyday and I know how to look it up and understand it.

          So after knowing a little more about the situation, do you still believe me to be a tosser?

          I gave him the benefit of the doubt multiple times. My actions were a direct consequence of how the officer chose to respond to me, they were definitely not on my agenda at the start (why would I waste my time at 10.30pm calling a police station?)
          Would you want to be treated like that?

        • +4

          You've mentioned toss twice now, you seemed to be obsessed with tossing for some reason…

      • Not taking sides but it brings a couple of interesting points.

        a, if it was not a police officer would you have taken the same action. (So are you discriminating against them as police people.)

        b, if you saw someone being booked by police for that offence would you feel satisfaction. This would test whether you were truly offended by the action or the perpetrator.

        Again not judging as I can become truly outraged at abuse of power, just curious.

        • +14

          Tonka, if it were a random citizen, I'm afraid that there have been one too many occasion where I do let them know they've done the wrong thing, only for an ignorant or racist comment to be thrown in my face.

          I am, in a ways, discriminating that he was a police officer, but this is because:
          1. If it were a random citizen, that officer would have fined the person
          2. The officer has a responsibility to uphold the law he/she enforces and set a proper example. In effect, he has the higher moral obligation.

          If I saw a random citizen being booked for that offence, I would be overjoyed. The amount of times I've seen the u-turn happen and the number of times I wish a police officer was there to book them… As I said, I honestly believe it's a dangerous move to make.

        • +6

          @JahjaMan:

          Seems like your purpose is noble then and not that of a tosspot.

          Consider this scenario, Same circumstance and you decide to take no action. A week later you see a pedestrian dead on the road hit by that car.

          Many times people save lives that they never know about because they prevented an accident from ever happening through some small initiative.

        • +4

          @tonka: Agreed. My interpretation to one of the purposes of life - to make a better difference for others. Not necessary something big to save the world one day, it can be a small reaction from each of us every day that makes a different better world.

        • +2

          it can be a small reaction from each of us every day that makes a different better world.

          and id argue that its usually the slow evolutions that make the biggest difference not so much the ones that only grab the headlines

  • +1

    Did this happen in kindaford by any chance ? I may have seen that happening as I drove past the other day.

    • I meant Kingsford^

      • +5

        Yep. Kingsford. Corner Anzac parade and middle st intersection.

        Same corner as the pub.

        • +1

          the rege!
          (regent hotel)

        • +4

          Holy shit, I may have seen a similar incident. I was driving past and I was approaching the intersection and I saw the cops up ahead flash their lights (but not siren) and take a U-turn across the intersection. I drove past and looked into the rear view mirror only to see them pull into an empty spot infront of the Malay Place (petaling?). I continued on and thought nothing of it.

  • +5

    Sadly in social media the defence can never be presented. These Police officers may have a different story to tell, not that I don't believe the OP but its just that we see things differently.

    I don't believe the Police are above the law but I also would cut them a little bit of slack just prior to their indiscretion what had they been doing maybe breaking up a violent domestic, helping a drug addict who has just defecated on himself or stopped a gun wielding bandit, things that no money or wages would cover.
    They put their lives on the line then you come along and tell them off for something that by comparison is minor. How would you take it?

    Police are not perfect some may even be corrupt but would I do their job… NO THANK YOU! If I saw a corrupt cop stealing or selling drugs I would report him, but breaking a road rule and sure he might book me for the same thing but still don't know if I would be so audacious as to report him. just my 2 cents worth.

    • +9

      So, if I'm a heathcare worker who has seen and been part of several horrific situations and just having a bad day, it's okay if I break the law during a work break or on my way home today?

      Or, we shouldn't judge Taxi drivers or Truck drivers who break the law or do strange things on the road because we don't know what their life is like and what physical or mental pressures they may be under?

      Seriously, how hard is it to just obey the road rules like we're supposed to?

    • +21

      But did he say to me "sorry mate, we've had a long day, I realise it was wrong but let's let it go this once?"

      No, instead he told me he was allowed to break the rules and gave me a legal reference (which backfired). No remorse, no sense of obligation. Instead, he had the attitude that he didn't need to obey the rules because of his occupation.

      I'm sorry, I may be a consultant but I'll just be as guilty of insider trading or tax evasion as anyone else here.

      • +5

        Your words were still audacious and police officers are not dumb. You know & they know that they cant say "sorry mate, we've had a long day, I realise it was wrong but let's let it go this once?". why? because (and as you've admitted in your previous comments that from the outset, you've already had some discrimination against the officers) they know this will provide more of an opportunity for you to backfire. Admitting to it and giving supportive evidence to some one who is making a claim against you is the stupidest thing to do. How could you expect them to say sorry. Hence they are left with the only option; the option to "bluff you off".

        They have lowered their esteem afterwards (and as you have admitted) when you tried to take their details. This is their way of saying sorry. In fact they were the ones who were minimising the situation and you were the one stirring it up.

        now, what you SHOULD have said was something more respectful. ie "excuse me sir, im sorry but i notice you weren't suppose to do that. Its quite dangerous from other cars perspective. This is just a friendly reminder"

        peace

        • +6

          Thanks for your time, Officer Sir.

        • +10

          Firstly, I get what you're saying.

          My tone of language never suggested I was making any claims against them. But you're right, "im sorry but i notice you weren't suppose to do that. Its quite dangerous from other cars perspective. This is just a friendly reminder" would have 100% made my intentions clear. But you also have to consider that I was already pretty nervous, you have a go at standing up to 3 police officers, it's not easy. I probably could have worded it a little better.

          Also, misleading and lying to me by telling me they can "break the rules" and fobbing off s305 of the Aust Road Rules is not the greatest response…

          The officer's esteem never lowered. When he came out to confront me, I again explained to him why I thought it was wrong and his attitude never faltered. There was no remorse in his language (whether spoken or body language), and he challenged me further by saying "go ahead, raise the issue then". And that's when I replied "you know what, because you're talking to me like this, I will".

          So, what do you think?

        • Of course they can admit to a mistake.
          It is a mark of courage.

        • +3

          @JahjaMan:

          Now THIS:
          ""go ahead, raise the issue then". And that's when I replied "you know what, because you're talking to me like this, I will".",

          is extra information which was never exposed in your post in the first place. If that was really what happened then your case is fair enough. but now though, I dont know man, you're just bringing up new information as you go it seems. it seems now, we only get to hear your side of the story (not to mention a story revamped several times too) and we didnt get to hear the officer's story once.

          Peace.

        • +3

          @z3289598:
          The "little" story I was meant to write was already quite long enough. In my attempt to truncate the original post, I didn't feel the need to dirty the officer's image even more by saying that he challenged me. For most people, what I originally wrote already evidences that the officer's attitude was not great, hence I didn't feel the need to expand.

          Also, as you said, you only get to hear my side of the story. So it's not fair that I say all these things (e.g. him challenging me) without the other person being able to respond. I only brought it up in response to you because I guess some people are harder to please than others.

        • +3

          @z3289598:
          p.s. I felt like a bit of douche when he challenged me and I said "you know what, I will", because it kind of brought me down to his level. I'm not one for revenge or payback, but he expressed such little remorse that I felt pretty rubbish, like I was talking to a brick wall.

          Then I thought to myself, if he made me feel rubbish, then how does he make other people feel? So mate, I did what I did so that he (hopefully) doesn't chuck a turd on other people.

  • -8

    Keep on pushing and those coppers will kick your door in at 3am and hold you on something bullshit for a few hours. That will teach you. The coppers will do whatever they want whenever they what and you will not win against them.

    • +10

      "The coppers will do whatever they want whenever they what and you will not win against them."

      Can't tell whether you're pro oppression, or just too cowardly to stand up for yourself.

      I'll stand up for the person next to me as much as for myself. That's what being an Australian means. Heck, that's what being a decent human being means.

      • +1

        Wonder if you can find one, if any at all in Northern Territory to stand up against them, when oppression and incarceration is a daily reality for indigenous people. Truth is, it's not good for your own health to stand up against them, especially when they are in a group. Here, I'm not condoning what they've done, not at all.
        The situation could have been a lot different, if you've driven a car at that time. Then they would have harassed you in every possible way, trying to find a fault with your car or "looking" for drugs.

        Everyday, I see police driving on tram tracks in the city without their lights on. They shop at supermarkets in their uniforms, while their patrol car parked outside. I know for a fact some of them even do a "private security patrol" at night, as a favour for some local businesses. That favour varies from free food to cash. I have witnessed that their force is disproportionate and unjust, especially if the would be offender is black. I understand some of these are serious allegations, call me a coward, but I can't pursue them. That's the sad reality of it.

        At the end of the day, all your actions have achieved nothing, but a mere moral victory over a police officer. They won't change their ways or their behaviour, yes they know better, but they don't do better.

        • +1

          Very very different set of circumstance there. I would think that there are so many other more pressing issues that a traffic infringement would hardly blimp on anyone's radar.

          My actions have achieved something, and I'm hoping it'll provide other people with the knowledge to stand up for themselves and other people, as and when they believe it's appropriate to do so.

  • +9

    Good on you OP. No one should be above the law. The fact they tried to BS you with that section of the roads act clearly indicates they thought they were above the law.

    • +3

      Precisely the point I was trying to get across, and exactly the knowledge I wanted to share so that no one else is bullied, by anyone.

  • +2

    I appreciate and respect the work the police do, however, no one should be above the law. The station handled the situation well, and so did the OP. Thumbs up all around.

  • +1

    A forum I'm on used to have a frequent visitor who was a cop in NSW. He said that, in his area, if you were caught breaking the traffic laws when it wasn't an emergency then they made you pay the fine. It's probably not the same everywhere.

  • +22

    I'd like to commend the OP, not just for the original post, but for every reply he's added throughout the thread. He's taken the time to consider each poster's point of view, and then respond with courtesy and fairness to all.

    Which is exactly the attitude he points out was MISSING when the police had their opportunity to behave like human beings, but chose not to.

    I've encountered both good and corrupt officers. I've encountered both types when I've gotten off without a fine, and I've encountered both types when I've gotten a fine. They are there to do a very necessary job - but it's the manner in which some choose to go about it that the OP (and many others here including myself) have a problem with.

    If push comes to shove, I've probably got more of a problem with magistrates than police. When the police catch motorists for their tenth DUI or driving while suspended, they must wonder who needs to be killed before the local magistrate will send ANYONE to jail.

    • +1

      Magistrates administer the law, have issue with the law not the magistrate. If you dislike a law, campaign for tough on crime, it really works well in other countries shown to lessen crime greatly OH wait….

      • +2

        Tough on crime really does not work. Just look at the USA. Prevention programs and accessible education is the best measure.

        Those are two things that Abbott is taking away with his funding cuts. I guess he doesn't need it when his daughter gets $60,000 scholarships and the cabinet received free education.

    • +1 for the first half of your comment but you're off the mark with the second. Magistrates have little discretion in sentencing.

  • +2

    I'm the pessimist and still think that station manager told you to "fk off", except he took the longer path to do it, and did it nicely.

    • +5

      Perhaps, but then again, I want to give the station manager the 'benefit of the doubt'.
      Otherwise, I would be a hypocrite to my own words, right?

      From the moment I asked the station manager for "5 minutes of your time", he did nothing but welcome my feedback and empathised with what I was telling him. From my experience, his words were genuine and he acted with integrity.

      I let him know that my opinion/perspective was only one side of the story and that the officers would have their own, so I asked him to call me back only once he had a chance to talk to everyone. He was respectful, and I returned the favour.

  • +2

    Good to know and good on you to report it!

    So I believe that this cop taking photo of lamborghini taxi is breaking the rules?

  • +10

    BE WARNED, PISS OFF THE WRONG PERSON WITH A GUN, A GRUDGE & ANY MANNER OF MENTAL PROBLEMS AND YOUR IN FOR A WORLD OF HURT!

    My uncle hung himself after my aunt got involved with a senior police officer. They can access almost every detail about you, they belong to the biggest gang in society and they have the law on their side… By default, your not believed, any action you take can be miss-conscrewed and any violence is always your fault…

    Even when its plain to everyone they are liers, killers, ect your still on the back foot… The LAW is a blunt instrument, they wield it with expert cunning to your disadvantage always.

    AND IM PRO LAW AND ORDER

    Just not stupid enough to piss off for no benefit another flawed human being. If they get demoted, loose pay, goes officially on the record ect, they can make your life hell!

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