House sharing rules

Hi fellow Ozbargainers,

I would like to set some house rules for my lodgers as I want to rent two bed rooms in my house. Some of you might have lived in share houses, some may be still living, some of you are land lords, some of you, lodgers/boarders/tenants.

I have come up with some rules for my house and I would like you to go through them, comment on them, suggest improvements or additions. Be aware that there are about 36 rules. Feel free to use the document or parts of it as needed.

House Rules

  1. Payment of Rent is the responsibility of the lodger, and the lodger would keep track of the payment day and pay up ON or BEFORE the due date. Non-payment or delays could result in fines and/or immediate eviction.
  2. The outside security door, the main door and the rear door are all to be locked at all times.
  3. The common areas like kitchen, dining, living, corridor, back yard, front yard and the lodger’s room need to be cleaned periodically using broom, vacuum or/and mop as appropriate. The cleaning roster, if in place should be strictly adhered to.
  4. The condition of the property is to be clean and hygienic at all times.
  5. When toilet paper roll is empty, it needs to be replenished and the cardboard roll cap is to be disposed in the bin.
  6. The toilets and bath rooms are to be maintained cleanly and hygienically at all times. There is to be no water on the toilet floor.
  7. The toilet rolls, dish washing liquid, air freshener, etc can be shared – speak to the land lord about the sharing rules.
  8. The lodger is to use his/her own cutlery, plates, cooking utensils and appliances.
  9. There are to be no food materials, left overs, bread crumbs left on the bench tops or in open utensils left out without immediately cleaning.
  10. The kitchen sink condition is to be clean at all times. Utensils have to be washed immediately after use. Food that is left out in the utensils needs to go into the bin rather than forcing it down the drain.
  11. The condition of the stove is to be clean and hygienic. Spillages are to be cleaned immediately.
  12. The lodger would take all steps and measures to use the things, utensils and appliances safely.
  13. The ventilator/exhaust needs to be used while cooking.
  14. Cooking time must be limited to 30 minutes and the lodger should be considerate of other people.
  15. The lodger would use a cleaning sponge of their own.
  16. The taps need to be turned off gently but firmly so there is no leakage of water.
  17. The lodger would close the doors softly, so as to not cause noise disturbance. Remember, the others could be sleeping.
  18. This is not a dormitory or a back packers housing, so keep the noise to a minimum, limited to the room you are staying in. Do not use profane language or swear.
  19. The lodger would not download via torrent sites, would not indulge in anything illegal over the internet.
  20. The lodger would not use drugs. Failure to comply will cause immediate eviction.
  21. The lodger would be using electricity and appliances ‘smartly’ and ecologically, reducing the carbon footprint. There is to be no unnecessary wastage of any utilities – gas, electricity or water. If there is any undue increase in utility bills, the lodger may be asked to pay up. There is to be no use of a heater without the express permission of the land lord.
  22. Washing machine load selection should be appropriate and only TOP LOADER detergent is to be used. Run a decent load rather than 4 – 5 clothes. Run the washing machine in the morning while the sun is shining.
  23. The bins need to be cleared as and when they are full in its appropriate disposal bins outside. The outside bins need to be placed along the verge during their pick up days and conversely, brought back in after their collection.
  24. There are to be no guests unless pre-approved in every instance. There are to be no parties or sleep overs in the house.
  25. There is no smoking inside the house.
  26. If you are a smoker, the designated smoking area is the back yard. Dispose the cigarette butts responsibly in an ash tray. Dispose the rubbish from ash tray every day.
  27. Any damage done to appliances or property, etc is to be reported immediately first and fixed in a timely manner.
  28. The lodger would remove foot wear before entering the house and use a separate pair of foot wear inside the house.
  29. Fan ventilator would be turned on before taking a hot shower. It has to be left on for some time after use (with the door closed) so the steam would be sucked out of the bath room. Keep the shower time short.
  30. Vehicle parking is to be at a pre assigned area only.
  31. The lodger would not be using the land line phone.
  32. The lodger would be storing kitchen utensils and food material in designated areas only. Stuff inside the fridge would be initialled for easy identification.
  33. The lodger should be aware that there is video recording for security purposes in the house.
  34. The lodger would ask before borrowing something, and would place things back in their original places after use.
  35. The lodger would be respectful to every other person in the house and their privacy.
  36. The lodger would follow any other house rules that may be set by the land lord.

Comments

      • +4

        Is it too much to seek a tenant that does not use an 'f'-word every two breaths like his/her life depended on screeching obscenities at about 11,253 decibels. It could be a cultural difference, and in a multi-cultural world, it is fair enough to seek only a person that can comply.

        I can understand it. Everyone is different and we all find different things more annoying or offensive than others. I don't think it's wrong for you to prefer living in a home where curse words aren't used more frequently than non-curse words - I just personally don't share the same issue with it. So yeah, again, each to their own - and no judgment to you for your values :)

        Use of torrents are fine while I am not at home or am sleeping as I have unlimited internet. Just so long as the tenant does not clog internet to the extent that I am unable to load a basic web page at 5 Kbps.

        lol yeah, fair enough. We each had separate internet while I was share housing - it probably ended up less cost efficient than sharing internet, but the thought of other people slowing down my perusal of the internet is not one I'd be happy to accept in reality. I do disagree with controlling what your housemates do and don't use the internet for, though.

        You have not had my tenant who I learnt later was a mental patient who did drugs in the house, wrecked the room she stayed in and gave me a one month ticket to hell. Luckily, I managed to cancel the one way ticket and return back after a month with enforced eviction. When I told the 'Department of Commerce' person that the agreement states 'no drugs in the house', she asks me whether the agreement details what the consequences are if drugs are used? And since the detail is missing, she can not be evicted automatically. I wished to ask if there was an explicit rule written somewhere that prevented me from cursing her with spillage of hot coffee on her lap and the consequences I would face for wishing the same.

        Pro-tip: "mental patient" isn't a very nice term to use (or maybe I'm sensitive to it, being someone with psychiatric issues myself :P). Lots of people struggle with some form of mental health problem, ranging from minor to severe, so I don't think using derogatory phrases like that does any good to help dissipate the social stigma (and thus stopping people from reaching out for help or admitting they have problems). But that's a tangent…

        Reasonable point on the drug taking side though. Hard to say what I'd do in such a situation (or to prevent such a situation from happening again) without having lived through it myself, as you've done. I've lived with people who smoked pot now and then, but their behaviours never impacted the household so it was never an issue worth thinking or worrying about. But I do wonder what the chances are of having another housemate who does have problematic drug taking which could have you end up in the same situation as last time - and could having that point in your rule list, to show to potential new housemates, put even the non-drug-taking people off living with you? Would you be okay with occasional pot use, for example? Or alcohol use? In my experience, people have tended to get more rowdy and prone to damaging property by accident while drunk rather than on drugs..

        find another place where you can leave water to boil on the stove and go out to cinemas (yes, another experience from sharing).

        Do you live in Canberra? Wondering if you've sharehoused with my previous housemate lol. Sounds just like her.

        • Hi Waterlogged turnip,

          Thanks for all your reasonable comments on this post and the ones that appear later on in the forum.

          I do disagree with controlling what your housemates do and don't use the internet for, though.

          1) I am covering myself by stating the internet connection which is on my name will not be used for illegal purposes.
          2) I am being explicit that the tenant has to be ‘considerate’ in the use of a shared resource.

          "mental patient" isn't a very nice term to use
          My apologies, I did not give much thought to people’s sensitivities on that one.

          …put even the non-drug-taking people off living with you?

          I think I would try and avoid the occasional drug abusers too. I may be typecasting drug abusers as demons, but that is not my intention. I would prefer to avoid close contact with them nevertheless.

          …prone to damaging property by accident while drunk rather than on drugs

          Accidental damages (even in an inebriated state) can be tolerable if the person owns up responsibility and fixes damages in a timely manner. (Rule 27)

          Do you live in Canberra? Wondering if you've sharehoused with my previous housemate lol. Sounds just like her.

          Lol…maybe she moved to WA now

      • +8

        In a multi-cultural world we should tolerate each other and not impose our own cultural values upon others.
        I think you have misunderstood multi-culturalism - you would also probably put out an ad that states only "indians" or "chinese" or "native English speakers" need apply which is in fact racist and discriminatory (which these people find Ok when they are looking but would raise all hell if they did not get a house/flat.room for the same reason) - racial segregation has nothing to do with multi-culturalism. Sorry.

        • -4

          In a multi-cultural world we should tolerate each other other and not impose our own cultural values upon others.

          Some cultures around the world consider cannibalism to be normal. I hope you never come across someone from one of these tribes – but if you do, please try to enforce your culture of not eating one’s own kind before you cease to exist.

        • +4

          @avihs:

          And some cultures used to throw their weak and feeble, including overly annoying and anal people of the cliffs (see Sparta).
          Listen, this comment of yours shows you will not take on any advice given here but think you are right in every aspect.
          Stop making ridiculous excuses.
          I do not think any of the people from those tribes you refer to will ever apply to your ad - in fact I can guarantee it as I happen to know that those very tribes in the Amazon (which is a long way away from Oz) which still might practise it do not have contact with what we call normal civilisation.
          Seriously, you need to chill. The other people here are right: you are absolutely not suited to for house-sharing, so better not do it.
          I hope you get someone who is normal but because of that will breach most of your rules. Try getting your way out of things then.

          "Your honour, the lodger cooked for 32 minutes in the last three nights. That is 2 minutes each over the allocated cooking time. Therefore he breached the agreement and consequently I ask for eviction".

          I think you will make a great subject for a book on the craziest and most memorable court cases then. And I work in that profession so I have a pretty good idea what my esteemed colleagues (lawyers and judges alike) would think of a claimant like you.

        • +1

          @avihs:

          Some cultures around the world consider cannibalism to be normal. I hope you never come across someone from one of these tribes – but if you do, please try to enforce your culture of not eating one’s own kind before you cease to exist.

          to me, you come across as extremely racist and un-multicuturalist. the whole point of multiculturalism is that you are aloud to have your culture, but you not only dont force your culture on anyone else but you also accept someone elses culture alongside your own because they also dont enforce there culture on you. your just using it as an excuse to be racist/monoculturist.

          in your example, in a true multicultural existence, it would be perfectly fine because the cannibals would not try and force there culture of eating people onto people who dont eat people, thus integrating into a perfect multicultural society

  • +2

    I think you'll find it extremely difficult to find a lodger if you produce such a list of rules, unless your proposed rent price is next to nothing.

    • Hi StrawberryCheesecake,

      Thanks for the comments. My rent is very affordable so as to factor those who do not like the imposition of rules. Law is, for lodgers and boarders, whatever is written in the agreement applies. Hence, I was very specific of what I expect from a lodger.

  • +13

    I would take your rules and wipe my ass on them. Then leave the anonymous poop smeared paper where it was hanging.

      • +2

        Now that is taking things too far. Though not much further than rules 1-36.

  • +16

    op seriously you need to stop making excuses and just listen to what people are saying. you are being ridiculous

  • +8

    Hi Avihs,
    I was the first to comment and couldn't take your post seriously. It really is a bizarre post for Ozbargain. Ozbargain really isn't the forum for your situation and I doubt you'll find the answers or backing you require from us penny pitchers.
    I sympathise with your situation and that you are having to go down the supplemental income route at the expense of your privacy and the invasion of your home to make ends meet. Sometimes I wonder why we consider Australia a first world country when some sectors of the community suffer so badly.

    Can I suggest your low rent will bring with it emotional baggage from your lodger. You should reduce the number of lodgers you need and appeal to another sector by increasing, even doubling the rent figure. Secondly, choose your advertising location carefully to audiences more likely to fit your ideal lodger profile. Perhaps it should target the Christian population who DO practice their religion. Your advert could say Christians preferred, without excluding the remainder of the population, which would be illegal. A church community notice board or magazine would be ideal for such an advert. And I'm sure there would be an Internet Christan forum with a classifieds area.

    And to qualify your Christian applicant, ask which church they attend regularly, then check up with a visit to be sure. Also, let the applicant know you strictly practice grace before meals and expect others to join in out of respect for your home.

    Best of luck and I wish you success returning to financial independence in the near future.

    • Many thanks for your kind suggestions. You were considerate and thoughtful.

  • +8

    OP is very picky same as me. That why i didn't share and rented a studio instead. Getting home after work, stripping down to your undies and watching tv was the best perk ever.

    • +1

      lol amen.

    • +2

      This^

      TBH, OP should just live by himself and forget about the tenants.

      I also used to have tenants, I never published rules like this but majority of tenants are difficult to deal with.

      It's better to live by yourself and be worry free instead of worrying every minute if your tenant is up to something dodgy like using your plates and cutlery…

      • +4

        something dodgy like using your plates and cutlery…

        oh god…. thats another great/horrid thought….. imagine what a pissed off tenant could get up to?

        does your toothbrush taste funny this morning OP? :|

        • +1

          I once found my ex-housemate using a fork to scratch her back (under her clothes - scratching bare skin).

          Prior to that, I was already aware that she used butter knives to scrape under her long fingernails.

          Needless to say I then kept my own set of cutlery hidden in my room lol. Shudder.

        • +1

          That's not a problem, the bathroom security camera will catch them out.

  • +4

    General question which is open to all: How many of us OzBers have sharehoused at some point in our lives?

    Of those, how many have had good/great experiences, and how many have had mostly awful experiences?

    I really do understand where the OPs list stems from. Having lived in various sharehouses, ALL of them involved at least one housemate who was (by no exaggeration) a real liability and/or horror to live with lol. The stories I could tell…

    • +2

      Everyone I know who did had negative or barely passable experiences even when people (both landlord and fellow boarders) had best intentions so I never really entertained the idea (and instead saved my money to buy my own small place so I didnt need to share).

      That being said, I know someone who seems to be living the dream with renting out a room in her two bedroom place in a newly built apartment near the city. Despite the high room rent costs for the bedroom and bathroom based on either single or couple (and half of all bills) led to only professionals applying which meant the applicants were decent. And this was on gumtree. They use common sense to share some common items (eg detergent) but it's BYO cutlery and bathroom stuff. Before moving in they agreed on shelves (and fridge space) to be shared, and also agreed internet not to be used for excessive downloading but this could be revisited in the future.

      It's been half a year and the place is still in amazing condition. I guess good screening and common sense makes all the difference.

      • +1

        I completely agree with you. You need to be lucky enough to be able to house share with someone who uses ‘common sense’, ‘fair go’, ‘courtesy’, etc in which case, explicitly written rules are unnecessary.

        If you think the other person is ‘probably’ sleeping in their room and you make the effort to walk tip toe, you are the kind that does not need a set of rules.

    • +5

      I've been in a bad share house situation and it was because of an uptight nazi house mate like OP.

      It's obvious all the "bad experiences" OP has had is probably because he was living with normal people who use heaters, cook for more than 30 mins, sometimes leave a dish in the sink, download a tv show and dont label their food nor wear special house slippers. They probably kicked OP out.

    • +1

      It works brilliantly when it works, generally when you're young and sharing with your mates. When it doesn't work it sucks.

      Having said that I'm glad I shared for as long as I did as it enabled me to put more cash away in the kitty than I would otherwise.

      It definitely exposes you to people from walks of life that you probably wouldnt have had a bar of otherwise.

    • +1

      My current flatmate has been with us for over 5 years. My gf and I have actually entertained the idea of buying a studio or 1 bedroom investment property for my flatmate to rent in the future with cheaper rent thant whats out there.

      In case we move out on our own place. We don't want to leave her out in the cold.

      I've also had shocking flatmates… But it's better to share positive experiences than negative ones.

  • +8

    Simple solution: downsize so you don't have share the house.

    Why would anyone want to live in a place with such draconian rules. Its a share HOUSE so it's their home too. It appears that you are trying to run a boarding school for children.

    Sounds like you need to move out and then sublet the whole house and leave people to their own devices.

  • OP, What's your target market anyway?
    Your rules are meant to be middle-class social-style. Low-income earner are bound by sharing everything and love to socialize than middle-class society.
    I don't say you won't get renter sooner or later, but understanding people and their motivation to rent should be your highest priority to consider.

    • … understanding people and their motivation to rent should be your highest priority to consider.

      Any person that can think considerately is good enough to not need a set of explicitly and accurately written house rules. A low income earner who can afford the rent or a middle income earner who remembers to pay; financial classing is secondary as long as they are honest and importantly, ‘considerate’.

  • +19

    I have been letting room to boarders for the last 7 years. When they ask what the house rules are, I said

    "There is no house rules, we're all adult and common sense applies. If you cook, you wash. If you wash, you hang."

    Out of the 7 years of sharing, I have never had to kick any tenant out.

    They say "rules are made to be broken" for a reason.

    • +4

      Or in the words of Jim Jefferies "don't be a c*$!"

    • awesome. completely agree.

    • -1

      Obviously, you are very tolerant, friendly and if I may add wryly … and probably a tad lucky too. Thanks for your comments.

      • +1

        So you're not very tolerant or friendly? Awesome - add that to the ad on gumtree!
        Do you actually own this house or are you renting it from someone else?
        Why do you own a whole house for/by yourself? Where'd the rest of the clan go?

        You could just rent out the rooms as storage space or something…
        It seems a bit fishy to me that you had the finances to buy a whole house, and did so when it is only you to be living there… At the most, I would of thought you might buy a small apartment and rent out the other room.

        Im going to take a guess and say youre actually leasing the property yourself as a tenant, and trying to get around the law to have other tenants bow to your demands/rules.

        ???????????????????????????????

        • So you're not very tolerant or friendly?

          …and say youre actually leasing the property yourself as a tenant…

          You make a lot of presumptions. If a pass grade is 50%, regardless of whether you obtained 60% or 99%, you are considered to have passed. The tolerance range varies. It seemed to me that Tomleonhart had to be the 99% scorer with awesome tolerance levels.

          Thanks for commenting.

  • +3

    I think the house rules (for only 2 boarders) rather stringent, tad excessive and could be trimmed. For example it would be easier if you were to supply consumables … your preferred washing powder, dishes, coking utensils and cutlery, sponges, toilet rolls etc and place them in a cupboard marked for boarder use. You would do better to buy in bulk, maintain an ample supply and simply factor in the cost. Boarders may be forgetful etc and so you avoid any possible friction for all when they do. I dont think the 30 minute cooking rule is fair or appropriate. Although you could indicate they should maintain kitchen cleanliness, you will still find boarders have different ideas about that and you will still be doing some daily cleaning yourself. Could add a clause about bedroom heating to be charged at an additional rate as some could use that
    excessively. No visitors rule seems unjust but you could state common areas for this purpose. I agree with the no parties rule though. I think it would be better to say no illicit drugs are to be kept inside house and any smoking must be done outside. You will not be able to control a boarders actions away from the house, although you could say that civil behaviour is expected I guess. Tough one there and only time would tell if your expectation is realised. I think you should be looking for information from a rental association for the legal guidelines to cover yourself. May be better to charge a higher boarding cost to find better tenants. Perhaps ask for references and follow through with a Police Check (at boarders expense) etc.Good luck with the boarding idea but I would be reluctant to have strangers move into my house.

    • +8

      Police Check (at boarders expense) etc.

      Even though i have zero criminal history, i'd walk away at that point. A boarder has different rights compared to a rental agreement. This is just OTT

      • +2

        And what about the OP's police check - after all he could be a mass murderer (actually happened in history - go to Youtube and look up serial killers)?

        • +2

          Good point there!

          All prospective boarders now running for the hills.

      • As I said I would be reluctant to have strangers move into my house. Would you risk your house and contents to a complete stranger? I don't have a problem providing Police Checks for any jobs I find so I would have no problem in providing one for a possible tenancy agreement. I don't find it unreasonable, but I can see others would. I suggested seeking information from a "rental association" assuming they would have the relevant legal information to impart, not that I realised boarding would be different though … only boarded with family before so I was not aware of this. Even more reason to be wary I think; scarier having a stranger living with you than in one of your properties elsewhere. No; I just couldn't do this.

    • Thank you for the efforts and sharing your thoughts, JediJan. I have read through your lines of advice carefully and weighed the pros and cons. I am of the opinion that I should probably give most of your suggestions a go. I also understand and see the practicality in your thoughts that for a landlord, there is a bit of adjustment of ‘expectation’ on the daily cleaning work to be shared ‘equally’.
      Your advise and thoughts made the time I spent on this thread well spent. Thanks again.

  • +8

    This is in my Top 5 of all time favourite threads.

  • +4

    You sound like a lot of fun. Good luck finding anyone to move in!

  • +8

    Hi Bud
    I have been on both sides of the fence & therefore i can certainly relate on how you'd be feeling as well as your potential flatmates.

    Firstly, good for you for wanting to have a good environment where everyone does their part.
    How ever, your rules are:
    Very excessive.
    Ridiculous.
    Uninviting.
    unfair.
    & perhaps illegal too?? :)

    Now, i do understand your fears of having strangers taking over your home and comfort. the possibility of them being slobs, unhygienic, noisy or a pain in the back side.
    It is simply a fear of the unknown.

    Please do keep in mind though that this is going for be their home too and you do play a major part on how 'at home' you make them feel. they're paying the bills and they have every right to feel at home and exercise their freedom.

    Here are the best pointers i can give you, the fruit of my 'flatmating' years:
    Initially, it will feel like there are strangers in your place, sitting on your couch, taking over some of your TV time, fridge & cupboard space & so on. You'll be leaving your home thinking there are people in your place that you'd have no idea as to what they're upto.

    I can assure you though that the above is merely temporary, you'll get to know them very well and they will become like family after a while. All my previous flatties are still very good friends of mine and i wouldn't trade them for the world (ok, maybe with the exception of one :) )

    There's nothing wrong with having some rules, but these rules should only be related to the duties of the household (Rent, bills & cleaning)

    Other than that, you'll have to interview each and everyone of them, you'll be able to tell through their personalities as to whether you';ll get on with them or not.
    A good start would be finding as many things in common as possible, even better, TV programs in common as this is where you guys will be doing the most 'social gathering'

    If you need any further advice, don't hesitate to PM me even.

    Cheers

    • I thank you for reading through and taking the time to comment. The rules are ‘excessive’ and ‘ridiculous’ because they are detailed and comprehensive to the extent that whatever is considered to be ‘courtesy’ are enumerated as a ‘rule’. They may seem ‘Uninviting’and ‘unfair’ because I am trying to cover myself with respect to the law. Despite having the clause ‘no drugs in the house’ on the agreement, if the law says ‘since there is no consequence to the statement, it cannot be used as grounds for eviction even though the person was caught red handed smoking illicit substances in the house’, you are left stranded and gets you into thinking ‘I should have written down every rule on the signing sheet so I am covered’. Those rules were not written with the ‘fear of unknown’, but more as a result of some forgettable experiences and with some ‘just in case’, ‘to cover myself’ sort of thoughts.

  • +3

    OP, you'd better off renting out your house to a family, and then find some very cheap accommodation for yourself…Like living in a shack in woop woop.

    • I appreciate you spending time to comment. I have considered that option, but have some DIY projects in mind for the house. The house has too much furniture that would deter me from thinking about moving in elsewhere.

      • +2

        What about the noise you generate in your DIY projects? The boarders as you like to call them shoul then be able to explain as you are not being considerate and noisy when they come home and want a bit of peace and quiet.
        If you have got people in your house you are a bit more restricted in what you can do and when you can do it. The offset for that is the rent.
        You cannot have both - be free to do whatever you want and have the rent.

        • What about the noise you generate in your DIY projects?

          If most of the set rules are to enforce being 'considerate', it would then be imperative that I am considerate, and would like the others to be similar to the closest degree. But, to answer your question (though it is more of an argument at this stage) I would inform the lodger beforehand. Moreover, I would be working on the project during the day when the lodger is out working.

        • @avihs:

          assuming they are working day shift :)

        • @juventino:

          Of course. In that instance, a suitable time can be figured out by talking to the person. Not many rules are required if just a simple dialogue process works and people abide by their promises.

        • +1

          @avihs:

          "Not many rules are required if just a simple dialogue process works and people abide by their promises."

          Y u no listen to yourself?

        • @al2011:
          'Y' I 'no' listen to myself is because people do not abide by their promises.

  • +3

    None of the rules mentioned are actually bad except two. There's nothing wrong with some swearing and why would you stop someone using the heater…

    The issue is these would never work as rules, you have to find someone who is considerate in general because people don't follow rules.

    You could just say you need the house clean and tidy and need them to be considerate of your routine in the interview.

    • Thank you very much for spending time on this thread. Your inputs are valuable.

      You could just say you need the house clean and tidy and need them to be considerate of your routine in the interview.

      you have to find someone who is considerate in general

      When you find the toilet unclean in a shared house, you do the cleaning yourself first time. After a few days, when you realise your house mate is being inconsiderate and you try out a dialogue process, during which, the person would say they would be more careful next time. Beyond this, if the same issue keeps cropping up again, you are left with two options
      1. cop it up and live with the neither inconsiderate nor hygienic person
      2. evict and find someone else.

      You choose option 2 and realise the law is hardly helping you and you have to clean up the toilet, kitchen and living areas because of someone’s carelessness & inconsideration. When you look for a share mate in the future, with the previous experiences in mind, I am sure you would see the reasoning in ask the person to sign a document that states cleanliness would be maintained.

      • +1

        I think you fail to see the issue.

        The type of people you might want and would keep the toilet clean etc, won't sign this document because they will think you are crazy.

        Desperate or lazy people will sign this document as they won't care or need a place to live and will only clean the toilet etc until they get comfortable months later.

        My point is that you need to find a way to say your entire rule set in a few sentences so you'll get a decent housemate and then you need to take responsibility for picking someone who you think is normally a considerate person and not just trying to get you to accept them.

        Please understand when I say that your previous housemates were YOUR fault. I know its hard to judge someone in a 5 minute interview but its your responsiblity and if you are getting 100% bogan/lazy people then thats the fault of your advertisement or house location.

        I 100% agree that the majority of people looking to find a place lack common sense and the ability to live with others which is what your rules seem to imply.

        • Your clarification is appreciated, Samfisher5986. Thanks.

          My point is that you need to find a way to say your entire rule set in a few sentences

          Point accepted in one sense, and if I were to make most of the rules redundant, all I have to say instead of them is to state that I expect the lodger to be 'considerate', 'fair' and act 'responsibly'.
          But, what you consider 'fair' may not be the same opinion shared by another person in another circumstance. The whole rule set is to just go around being painstakingly accurate about what is expected of the person in a bid to make the person be 'fair' to what degree of accuracy.
          Honestly, a truly 'considerate' person need not be shown this rule set, forget about signing it.

          A major frustration is, once you take a lodger in and you realise the person is a compulsive midnight guitarist, you can not easily get the person to move out before losing many nights of sleep.
          Your suggestion of saying entire set of rules in fewer sentences is taken - thanks for that.

          I 100% agree that the majority of people looking to find a place lack common sense and the ability to live with others which is what your rules seem to imply.

          Precisely. If the person shares house chores, and is generally a responsible and considerate person, I would be willing to ignore most of the rules.

        • @avihs:

          I've been in the same situation where day and night I was busy worrying about this housemate I needed to get rid of especially once I told him he had to leave I was worried he would steal etc.

          You just need to face it, there is nothing we can do to stop it but try and pick the right person.

          For example the type of job someone has tells you a lot about a person and how far in life they have progressed.

          If they work in a job that would easily accept any type of person regardless of experience/qualifications then I would need to find another quality about the person I'm interviewing that I like or I won't be accepting them.

        • @samfisher5986:

          Point taken aboard, Samfisher5986. Thanks for your inputs.

  • someone has OCD

    • +8

      Someone doesn't really know what OCD is ^

    • +4

      someone has OCD

      Someone has OCD.

  • +5

    I have lived with some ridiculously stupid and inconsiderate people in the past. Your house rules would be very applicable to them and I would not hesitate to apply the rules if I were living with those same people. However, these people only constitute a minority of house-sharers. As a reasonably tidy and considerate person, I would find it the rules slightly draconian. I
    f the house was located in a good location, a nice place and well worth the money. I would take the place only after negotiating a little more freedom. For example "I won't have house parties, I don't have dodgy friends, so maybe I can host dinners for whoever and I only need to tell you a few hours in advance".

    Some of it may be a little controlling but the OP is just trying to preserve the house and organization that he/she is used to doing. Its so detailed and nitpicky because he or she is trying to get everything covered. I understand where he/she is coming from.

    • Well said.

    • +1

      As a reasonably tidy and considerate person…

      With a real ‘reasonably tidy’ and ‘considerate’ person, I would ignore imposing most of the rules. As with ‘wheeling the bin to the kerb’ or ‘bagging the bin liner and disposing it in the outside bin’ rule, where the stated rules say the tenant has to do, it could then be an alternating responsibility, as would be ‘fair’ between two considerate people. The rule only covers the possibility when the boarder displays indifference after the bin is filled to the brim by the person with fish but does not bother to bag up the liner and dump it in the outside bin on a weekly bin pick up day, leaving you to bear the ‘aroma’ of rotten fish for a week.

      It is quite good to see there are a few out there who have house shared with bitter experiences and thus are able to understand the comprehensiveness of the stated rules. Surely, one can put up with breaches in those rules, but with the right person.

      • I agree, currently have a housesharer who is completely indifferent to housechores.

        He cleans up after himself but he does nothing about the bins.

        • He cleans up after himself but he does nothing about the bins.

          Some of the wise counsel I have received and considered sanctimonious is this:
          Being the house owner, be happy if the tenant cleans up after himself. Do not expect them to be sharing equal responsibility. 'Equality' is a skewed word in house sharing, and the owner should bear the heavier weight.

          Suggestion : if everything else is good about the person, you take up the additional responsibility of bagging the bin and dumping it every alternate day.

  • how much are you renting out for?

    • OP keeps mentioning that his rent is superlow but wont tell us the exact amount as he is too uptight about his privacy, but surely dosen't respect the privacy of lodgers . I bet his rent's not even low.

      • If I said the rent is $ 65 a week, would you believe me? How about if I told you the rent is $ 213 a week?

        I bet his rent's not even low.

        Since you made a presumption and are wagering on that one, I will not disappoint you by saying that my rent is $ 65 a week. Lol…keep wondering, my friend.

        • +3

          Still would not pay $65 a week. Would rather pay double and live in a hostel.

  • +1

    Interesting…. i don't think i'd be staying at your house. Perhaps let people know these rules up front.. like in the ad… so you only get certain types of people. I'd be pretty pissed if i had toured and everything, only to find a thesis of rules thrusted upon me.

    I'm a pretty conservative/reasonable guy (i've had a few room mates and have got on with them all - many have mentioned they'd wished i was still their HM!) but even in your rules i'd probably not be able to follow 3, 10, 14, 24*, 33, and 36.

    • 3, 10 and 20 sounds pretty reasonable to me

      • +3

        oops yeah, 20 was a typo, i don't do drugs lol

        3, i'll clean when required, it doesn't need a roster.
        10, i get the purpose of not stacking dishes, but i don't really see the issue of leaving an item or so to soak, particularly if you're rushing out the door.

        But i am, the housemate from hell

        • I'm a pretty conservative/reasonable guy

          For a really ‘reasonable’ person, most of those rules are needless to enforce. Thanks for your inputs – they are taken with gratitude.

  • I think that given these rules, rather than renting rooms to keep costs down, you really should look into selling up and renting a studio apartment whilst you do not require more than one room!

  • +9

    I shared house for seven years. The best advice as someone stated above is to use the interview to screen the whackos out. If you had more than one nutcase slip through the cracks then you're not doing it right.

    My rules:-

    1) Japanese flatmate good.
    2) Female flatmate good.
    3) Bogan flatmate bad.
    4) Unemployed flatmate VERY VERY bad.
    5) Potentially druggie flatmate very bad.
    6) Any more than two tattoos or piercings bad.
    8) Way too old to still be in share accommodation - bad
    9) Eccentric speech patterns during screening process - bad.

    You're never going to reform a nutcase with a list of rules. You have to screen them out in the first place.

    • +7

      So essentially, you can't go wrong with Japanese Females.

      • +3

        *Employed Japanese females.

        • +10

          I don't think the employed part is even necessary, if you've got a Japanese chick keen to move in with you… ;)

        • +1

          @waterlogged turnip: can't argue that logic ;)

      • If you have ever shared house, you know the above statement to be true. Japanese live in tiny little rabbit hutch houses and this conditions them to be considerate of others. Plus its basically a culture that emphasises politeness and civility anyway.

        Some people refuse to share houses with Koreans, Brazilians, Colombians or middle Easterners but I have generally not had bad experiences with any particular culture, except for bogans.

        • any particular culture, except for bogans.

          I wouldn't call them a 'culture'..

          teehee

        • There's a townhouse rented by South Americans across the road from where I live.

          Everyday is a party over there it seems. Music blasting all night and constant drinking and parties.

          Kinda feel for their neighbours…

    • We always go for non english native speakers - they barely watch TV and always in their room, hence don't use living area! 3 years and still works :)

      House rules? Just clean up after your own shit and pay rent on time (although the new girls are *#%!$@ with their rent).

      Rule of thumb: the more controlling you are, the more difficult it will be. If they're horrible housemates, kick them out and look again.

      • If they're horrible housemates, kick them out and look again.

        Unfortunately, the law tends to be less lenient towards house owners.

        Just clean up after your own shit and pay rent on time

        How about when you include utilities on the low rent you are charging and also inform that the utilities are to be used ‘smartly’ on a ‘fair go’ thought – and one day you find the bill has trebled? How about the next bill is quadrupled because you were lenient with the trebled bill?

    • Many thanks for the comments, Paizuri.

      It is very difficult to understand a person in one talking session, because you would be giving a lot of ‘benefit of doubt’ to the person. If you see the person with a high degree of skepticism, it could get difficult to find someone. The druggie I have had as a lodger seemed completely normal to me when I spoke the first time. ‘Separated kids’, ‘bad marriage’, ‘imprisoned partner’ were the benefits of doubt apart from some other that I gave the person. Turned out that I should have been wary and thus, harsh.

    • +1

      Japanese flatmate good

      … But they are meat lovers.

  • +8

    Pre-approved guests? Gosh settle down there Hitler

    • +4

      Only Japanese Females allowed.
      Topless ones are doubly allowed…

      I remember reading a news article with a person advertising for tenants for a rental property. It was located in a expensive area to rent, and the rent was so cheap. However the only condition is that you have to be nude in the house. LOL!

      • I knew one girl who took up a sex-for-rent offer, although I suspect that there was the possibility of a visa in the offing as well. It was a bit weird as there were other people in the house as well that were happy to pay rent instead.

    • Pre-approved guests rule is better to have than a dangerous situation of having a ‘post-disapproved’ guest who enters your house with an unlicensed weapon and a short fuse.

      • +4

        Do you ever go out on the street or did you set up checkpoints in your street vetting and checking people you walk in the street? After all, they are not pre-approved then and could be a serial killer coming to get you, most likely a previously normal person driven insane by overly anal and pedantic house rules.
        Seriously, you need therapy - I shoed this post to a psychology friend of mine and she strongly (seriously) recommends treatment for you as you paint out all of these horror scenarios in life. This is the beginning of a paranoia which must be treated quickly before it gets out of hand. If you do not believe me, look at the DSM IV manual.

        • +1

          Lysander i'm pretty sure it's just mild autism. Nothing to be overly concerned about

        • @Lysander

          After all, they are not pre-approved then and could be a serial killer coming to get you

          Quite possible. The possibility of blowing yourself up is considerably more when you sleep on a pillow filled with live grenades than when you use a pillow of fluff. You could take the risk of running into a serial killer on the street, but would you want the same person inside your house?

        • @PresidentClinton:

          …i'm pretty sure it's just mild autism.

          When it comes to a written agreement, you would cover yourself as much as possible - the theory bit. When it comes to real life, you would be as practically lenient as possible to breaches. When it comes to the point of letting the person know that they are being unfair, if you have an argument at that stage, you are actually covered because you mentioned in explicit terms as to what you want and expect of the person before they moved in.

        • +1

          @avihs:

          If you do intend on keeping that list, I suggest you put it up on your gumtree ad or wherever you choose to advertise your rooms. You would save yourself and a lot of people from wasting their time.

        • @avihs:

          1. Serial killers are actually quite good at deception and often come across as very nice - that is how they get away with what they do so often - you go to Youtube and search for serial killer documentaries and watch some - you will see that quite often they are very nice (and sometimes frighteningly very intelligent)

          2. You cannot eliminate all and very risk in life - to try and do see is madness and bound to fail.

          3. To have a rule for any possible eventuality that could materialise is also bound to fail. History teaches us this - famous example: Hammurabi of Babylon

          4. If you run into a serial killer and you are his or her intended victim, it does not matter whether your encounter is on the street or in the house - you are a goner.

          5. Keep in mind that your paranoia ruins your life, and you will come across as a mentally ill person. Just take this post. Many people commented and the very large majority thinks you are a way over the top. In fact, not as single person has subscribed to your list as is in its entirety. Think about that. If that is viewed as a representative sample, a very large majority of people you run into thinks you are mentally ill.
            If you are unlicky and the wrong person thinks that you might be sent away in the future until successful completion of a therapy.

          6. Why do you think you are qualified enough to assess people, and to be able to recognise a serial killer? Unless you have forensic experts in your applicant interviews, you will not recognise an intelligent criminal.

  • +16

    Why would someone want to live with YOU when they can probably live with their actual parents for free?

  • +5

    Make sure you get all those rules checked by a lawyer to ensure it is legally OK or else they might bite back and sue you.

    Jokes aside….

    The more restrictions you have then it is actually unbeneficial to you in terms of financials.

    1. You need to look for a fit. Which results in harder to find tenants.
    2. People are going to bargain you down on the rent because they have to fit their lifestyle to adhere to your rules.

    You are restricting too much, kinda like a super restrictive over controlling wife. Who wants one of those? ……

    Add a few more rules to that list:
    1. Must brush teeth as it stinks when you talk to them.
    2. Must take a shower, must atleast use shampoo 3 times a week or else face eviction due to smells.
    3. Must not have BO as it stinks up the bed and walls.

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