House sharing rules

Hi fellow Ozbargainers,

I would like to set some house rules for my lodgers as I want to rent two bed rooms in my house. Some of you might have lived in share houses, some may be still living, some of you are land lords, some of you, lodgers/boarders/tenants.

I have come up with some rules for my house and I would like you to go through them, comment on them, suggest improvements or additions. Be aware that there are about 36 rules. Feel free to use the document or parts of it as needed.

House Rules

  1. Payment of Rent is the responsibility of the lodger, and the lodger would keep track of the payment day and pay up ON or BEFORE the due date. Non-payment or delays could result in fines and/or immediate eviction.
  2. The outside security door, the main door and the rear door are all to be locked at all times.
  3. The common areas like kitchen, dining, living, corridor, back yard, front yard and the lodger’s room need to be cleaned periodically using broom, vacuum or/and mop as appropriate. The cleaning roster, if in place should be strictly adhered to.
  4. The condition of the property is to be clean and hygienic at all times.
  5. When toilet paper roll is empty, it needs to be replenished and the cardboard roll cap is to be disposed in the bin.
  6. The toilets and bath rooms are to be maintained cleanly and hygienically at all times. There is to be no water on the toilet floor.
  7. The toilet rolls, dish washing liquid, air freshener, etc can be shared – speak to the land lord about the sharing rules.
  8. The lodger is to use his/her own cutlery, plates, cooking utensils and appliances.
  9. There are to be no food materials, left overs, bread crumbs left on the bench tops or in open utensils left out without immediately cleaning.
  10. The kitchen sink condition is to be clean at all times. Utensils have to be washed immediately after use. Food that is left out in the utensils needs to go into the bin rather than forcing it down the drain.
  11. The condition of the stove is to be clean and hygienic. Spillages are to be cleaned immediately.
  12. The lodger would take all steps and measures to use the things, utensils and appliances safely.
  13. The ventilator/exhaust needs to be used while cooking.
  14. Cooking time must be limited to 30 minutes and the lodger should be considerate of other people.
  15. The lodger would use a cleaning sponge of their own.
  16. The taps need to be turned off gently but firmly so there is no leakage of water.
  17. The lodger would close the doors softly, so as to not cause noise disturbance. Remember, the others could be sleeping.
  18. This is not a dormitory or a back packers housing, so keep the noise to a minimum, limited to the room you are staying in. Do not use profane language or swear.
  19. The lodger would not download via torrent sites, would not indulge in anything illegal over the internet.
  20. The lodger would not use drugs. Failure to comply will cause immediate eviction.
  21. The lodger would be using electricity and appliances ‘smartly’ and ecologically, reducing the carbon footprint. There is to be no unnecessary wastage of any utilities – gas, electricity or water. If there is any undue increase in utility bills, the lodger may be asked to pay up. There is to be no use of a heater without the express permission of the land lord.
  22. Washing machine load selection should be appropriate and only TOP LOADER detergent is to be used. Run a decent load rather than 4 – 5 clothes. Run the washing machine in the morning while the sun is shining.
  23. The bins need to be cleared as and when they are full in its appropriate disposal bins outside. The outside bins need to be placed along the verge during their pick up days and conversely, brought back in after their collection.
  24. There are to be no guests unless pre-approved in every instance. There are to be no parties or sleep overs in the house.
  25. There is no smoking inside the house.
  26. If you are a smoker, the designated smoking area is the back yard. Dispose the cigarette butts responsibly in an ash tray. Dispose the rubbish from ash tray every day.
  27. Any damage done to appliances or property, etc is to be reported immediately first and fixed in a timely manner.
  28. The lodger would remove foot wear before entering the house and use a separate pair of foot wear inside the house.
  29. Fan ventilator would be turned on before taking a hot shower. It has to be left on for some time after use (with the door closed) so the steam would be sucked out of the bath room. Keep the shower time short.
  30. Vehicle parking is to be at a pre assigned area only.
  31. The lodger would not be using the land line phone.
  32. The lodger would be storing kitchen utensils and food material in designated areas only. Stuff inside the fridge would be initialled for easy identification.
  33. The lodger should be aware that there is video recording for security purposes in the house.
  34. The lodger would ask before borrowing something, and would place things back in their original places after use.
  35. The lodger would be respectful to every other person in the house and their privacy.
  36. The lodger would follow any other house rules that may be set by the land lord.

Comments

  • +89

    Perhaps you should designate seating arrangements in the living room to avoid conflict amongst your lodgers.
    eg "That is my spot. In an ever changing world that is a point of consistency. If my life were expressed as a function on a 4 dimensional Cartesian coordinate system, that spot would be 0.0.0.0.
    In the winter that seat is close enough to the radiator to remain warm and yet not so close as to cause perspiration. In the summer it’s directly in the path of a cross breeze created by opening windows there and there. It faces the television at an angle that is neither direct, thus discouraging conversation, nor so far wide as to create a parallax distortion. I could go on but I think I’ve made my point." Sheldon

    • lol When I'd finished my reply I came back and yours was here ….. a bit of doubling up there.
      oops!

    • +15

      The outside security door, the main door and the rear door are all to be locked at all times.

      What use is a door if it has to be "locked at all times"?

      You might as well brick it up. That'd deter the inmateslodgers from escaping too.

      • +1

        In all fairness after seeing sharehouses where they had various doors/entrances left open/unlocked and randoms (myself included) could walk in without anyone blinking an eye (because not everyone knew everyone who lived there anyway), it did make me wonder how safe things were when they weren't locked inside a room.

        • +4

          It was a joke dude.

          The list of rules is so autocratic that a reasonable person couldn't possibly abide by them. The one I singled out (2.) exemplifies this by being absurdly impractical in its wording.

        • -1

          @Scrooge McDuck:
          A 'reasonable' person, unless he is being excessively finical would understand that the inherent function of the door is excluded from a statement framed on it aimed at providing overall safety to the building.
          When you say 'locked at all times', it means locked at all times other than when you are using it.
          Search online for the number of places they use the phrase 'keep your house/car locked at all times to prevent theft'.

  • +76

    Is that you Sheldon?

    1. The lodger is to use his/her own cutlery, plates, cooking utensils and appliances.

    2. There are to be no guests unless pre-approved in every instance.

    3. Cooking time must be limited to 30 minutes

    I'm sorry, but none of those sound even vaguely reasonable to me. As I see it, if I'm living somewhere I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect to be able to to visitors if I choose to do so, without asking permission. Quite clearly it makes sense for me as a tenant to limit the number of people I have visiting at any one time, and for me to monitor their behaviour.

    As for limiting cooking time to 30 minutes, even heating a frozen pie takes longer than that - include preheating time and you'd end up with food that is still half frozen, let alone heated and cooked. And what if someone wants to cook a chicken or other roast? Simply because one shares accomodation doesn't mean they should be expected to live on convenience and take away food?

    If you are sharing your house with others, there is no avoiding the fact that the power bill WILL increase. If you don't include as part of the arrangement that the bill is to be shared, then you possibly need to consider raising the amount you charge for rent a little to cover it.

    There are just so many other rules amongst what you've written that are going to either put people off altogether, or will cause you grief because they are ignored. For example, I am not wasteful of power. If I'm cold I put on a jumper, shoes etc. If I have done everything a reasonable person would have done to get warm and am still cold, I see it as perfectly reasonable to turn on a heater, but to be sensible with its use.

      • +4

        Perhaps you could take on the day shift at the Kwik-E-Mart too.

        That way you would earn more money, you could rent out your own room, and you wouldn't be around the house to worry about what the tenants are doing.

        It's a win-win-win!

        • -7

          It was a joke dude.

          If this was another merciless jab at humour, I hope you had pre-informed so I could have conditioned myself for a momentary mirth.

        • @avihs: HI SHELDON! Nice to see that you're on ozbargain! :p

      • I have been renting out a couple of rooms on Airbnb. I feel your pain. I can't stand it. People are slobs and ungrateful and cheap.Good luck. I think your rules are perfectly reasonable.

  • +95

    And you might want to add

    1. SKYNET CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to assist Lessor in destroying any artificial intelligence created by the Lessor that is taking over the Earth.

    2. BODY SNATCHERS CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to assist Lessor in destroying someone whom they know has been replaced by an alien pod.

    3. GODZILLA CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to assist Lessor in destroying a monster that has destroyed Tokyo.

    4. 4CHAN CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that if it exists, there is porn of it.

    5. SUPERPOWERS CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to name the Lessor his/her sidekick if the Lessee obtains superpower(s).

    6. ZOMBIE CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that if the Lessor turns into a zombie, that (s)he will not kill the Lessor.

    7. CERN CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that if (s)he will be visiting CERN, that (s)he will bring along the Lessor.

    8. FRIENDSHIP CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to bring Lessor swimming if (s)he is ever invited to Bill Gates’ house.

    9. EMPATHY CLAUSE: Lessor agrees to do his best to at least once a day ask the Lessee how (s)he is doing even if the Lessor doesn’t care.

    10. SWEATY NIGHT CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that the thermostat will be controlled by the Lessor.

    11. FIREFLY CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that should the hit television show Joss Weedon’s Firefly ever be resurrected, that the TV be reserved for viewing said hit television show.

    12. CARPOOL CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to drive Lessor to work if Lessee and Lessor work in the same building.

    13. SHOWER CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that the occupancy of the shower is deemed to be one, unless being attacked by water soluble aliens.

    14. FRANCONI CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that Thursday night is Franconi’s Pizza night, should a Franconi’s Pizza ever open within delivery range.

    15. TAKEOUT CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that selection of a new takeout restaurant requires a public hearing and a 60 day comment period.

    16. COMMON AREA CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that the Lessee has the right to allocate 1/3 of the common areas.

    17. SEATING CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that Lessor gets first choice of which seat shall be Lessor’s seat as determined but not limited to drafts, sunlight, comfort, viewing angle, and positioning within a social group.

    18. PETS CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that pets are banned unless a deposit is agreed to under section 5 PETS, with the exception of service animals such as cybernetically-enhanced helper monkeys or glow in the dark gold fish.

    19. HOOTENANNY CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that there will be no hootenannies, sing-alongs, or barbershop quartets after 10pm.

    20. RAUCOUS CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to refrain from raucous laughter, clinking of glasses, and celebratory gunfire after 10pm.

    21. DEMOCRATIC CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that all disputes between the Lessor and the Lessee will be voted upon by the two parties.

    22. CONTROVERSIAL CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that all ties as a result from the DEMOCRATIC CLAUSE will be broken by the Lessor.

    23. BIO CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to not stage biohazard drills after 10pm.

    24. TUVAN CLAUSE: Lessee agrees to not attempt to master Tuvan Throat Singing.

    25. PERCUSSION CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that they do not now nor do they intend to play percussive or brass instruments.

    26. CELEBRATORY CLAUSE: Lessee agrees that, once a year on the anniversary of the signing of this document, Lessee and Lessor shall take one day to celebrate the contributions Lessee gives to Lessor’s life, both real and in Lessee’s mind. Lessee does NOT get breakfast in bed, to sit in Lessor’s spot, or to alter the thermostat. The only thing given to the Lessee is a card. This day shall be known as “[Lessee’s First Name at Birth]’s Day”.

    27. COHABITATION CLAUSE: Lessee has agreed to sections 6 and 7. A girlfriend shall be deemed “living with” when she has stayed over for:

    A. 7 consecutive nights
    B. 9 nights in a 3 week period
    C. All weekends of a given month plus 3 weeknights

    1. ARTICLE 1

    A. You do not talk about fight club.
    B. You do not talk about fight club!
    C. The cake is a lie.
    D. Roommates will do their best to maintain a minimum of a 1.0 KDR.
    E. Macs are for hipsters.
    i. Antique macs may be used to play the original version of Oregon Trail without ridicule.
    F. There are 151 pokemon.

    1. ARTICLE 2

    A. Definitely make sure she’s 18.
    B. No ‘chicken dancing’. No exceptions.
    C. No periwinkle colored ties.
    D. Live TV is for sporting events.
    i. Playoff games take precedent.
    ii. Cheerleading is not a sport.
    E. Non-DDs (Designated Driver) utilizing a DD have a (4) four drink minimum.
    F. Any alcoholic drinks spilled on the premises will be deemed a party foul.
    i. Party fouls on a hard surface shall be consumed by the guilty party.
    G. If you or any of your guests fall asleep with footwear on, you are fair game.
    H. No excuses, play like a champion.

    1. ARTICLE 3

    A. The Fat Guy Rule states that in the event of all seats being occupied in a vehicle, the most overweight person shall receive the passenger seat. If two overweight parties are present, it is preferred that one also drives.
    B. Shotgun may only be called when the caller has a clear view of the vehicle.
    i. A blitz may be instituted unless the caller has indicated “no blitz”.
    ii. The Fat Guy Rule shall override a shotgun call.
    C. The following words are prohibited. (4) Four letter words are bad.
    i. Yinz
    ii. Soda (when referring to pop)
    D. Should a foul smell arise from the refrigerator, roommates will alternate in the choosing of which item the other will ‘sniff test’, until the culprit is identified. The first choice shall go to the Lessor. Good luck.
    E. Don’t curl in the squat rack.

    1. ARTICLE 4

    A. Lessor may call for an emergency meeting.
    B. The house’s flag is 2 gold barracudas rampant on a sea of azure and should never fly upside down unless the apartment is in distress.
    C. If possible, roommates will give each other (12) twelve hours’ notice of impending coitus.
    D. Lessee must assist Lessor should Lessor ever become a robot.
    E. When the Lessor does not shower first, any and all measures shall be taken to ensure an adequate supply of hot water
    F. The right of bathroom privacy is suspended in the event of Force Majeure.
    G. Number 1’s shall take precedent in a race to the bathroom over Number 2’s
    i. Force Majeure is an exception to this rule.
    H. If the Lessee invents time travel, the first stop has to aim exactly 5 seconds after this document was signed.

    • +4

      That there is just gold. Thanks for the laugh.

  • +1

    :8. The lodger is to use his/her own cutlery, plates, cooking utensils and appliances.
    See OPs earlier post: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/107737

    • The lodger is to use his/her own cutlery, plates, cooking utensils and appliances.

      I am a strict vegetarian and would not like my utensils to be used for consuming meat. I just am asking a person if he/she is a meat eater, to use their own wares.

      • +11

        Unsure why the downvote, this is pretty fair amongst all the others.

      • Ask for vegetarian person. bill are going to go get them pay abit more to cover it.

        If work night sleep in day time tell this i would like if some was not home in day time.

        people are going to have people over.

        30min rule on cooking is a joke heating rule is joke if it cold it cold.

        • -4

          Hi Nikey2k27,

          Thanks for taking the time out to respond.

          Ask for vegetarian person. bill are going to go get them pay abit more to cover it.

          I have no issues with people eating meat - as long as it is not in my dishes. You get a dinner set for $ 10 or less. I could increase the rent to cover the 'averaged bill estimates' but I thought of all people, OzBargainers would understand that you are the one that is going to pay for the increased utility bills that come out of the attitude 'I am not sharing the bills, why should I care about turning the heater off while I go visiting friends on a Sunday morning?' It is a fire hazard apart from ticking the hundreds digit of your electricity meter.

          30min rule on cooking is a joke heating rule is joke if it cold it cold.

          30 minute cooking on the gas stove is so that it is available for other shareholders to use during peak hours - evenings when everyone wants to cook, eat and move on.

        • +2

          @avihs:

          Shareholders? Lolwut..

        • @avihs: You know you can wash plates after using them, right? It's not like after you wash your plate it's covered in meat…

        • +2

          @avihs: that doesn't make it anything but pasta…

        • @avihs:
          Meat eaters will never understand the conundrum of vegetarians.

        • +2

          @avihs: There is a clear difference between simply "tossing meat balls out of meatball pasta" and washing an empty plate with hot water and detergent so it has no traces of meat.

          Kind of taking it to an extreme…

        • @brezzo:
          The Meatball Pasta dish sans the Meatballs is still out of bounds for a strict vegetarian for the reason that the pasta has had contact with the meat and the gravy from the meat has intermingled with the pasta, almost giving you the feeling that you are eating meat.

          With the plate washed with the detergent, it all depends on whether the plate was washed properly, and if it was, whether the sponge was clear of meat, etc.

          Why should it be a problem if I want to keep a separate set of utensils and sponges that I purchased?

          Kind of taking it to an extreme…

          'Extreme' gels with 'Strict' in Strict Vegetarian. I have a stigma attached to killing, cutting, cooking animals which I see are higher forms of life. While I am tolerant to people consuming it, I would like to detach myself from getting into close contact with meat or utensils containing meat.

          Hope I explained myself well enough while ensuring the reader is not offended.

      • +1

        Same as toilet bowl? meat eater pass down different medium……. vegan might not used to it too……

  • +90

    Would not live with op/10

    • +69

      10/10, going to jail would be cheaper and probably more fun

      • +3

        think of all the rules you'd be breaking…. IN JAIL lol

        • +2

          Just don't drop the soap…not now.

        • @fickre: That make jail more fun.

    • +4

      Fair enough.

    • +2

      Honestly I think this is the OPs objective. They surely cannot want anyone to live with them? Unless they're holding out for a vegetarian blind, deaf, mute invalid.

  • +9

    You'll need to also add:
    Article 1: Upon Becoming a Roommate
    Section  1: A roommate gets an ID Card, a lapel pin, FAQ sheet and a key. New roommates may be interested in the live webchat on Tuesday nights called “Apartment Talk.”
    Section 5, subsection A: Roommate must drive Sheldon to and from work, the comic book store, the barber shop, and the park for one hour every other Sunday for fresh air.
    Section 5, subsection B: Roommate is tasked to bring home all take out dinners. ( Standard orders are located in Appendix B, and are also down-loadable from Sheldon’s FTP server)
    Section 9: The apartment’s flag is a gold lion rampant on a field of azure and should never fly upside down—unless the apartment’s in distress
     
    Article 3: Co-Habitation
    Section 1, subsection A: Past 10 p.m. you must refrain from raucous laughter, clinking of glasses and celebratory gunfire.
    Section 1, subsection B: Roommate does not now nor does intend to play percussive or brass instruments.
    Section 1, subsection C: The thermostat must remain at 71 degrees Fahrenheit.
    Section 2, subsection B: Roommates agree that Friday nights shall be reserved for watching Joss Whedon's brilliant new series Firefly.
    Section 3: Leonard and Matt have the right to allocate fifty percent of the cubic footage of the common areas, but Sheldon must be notified in advance via email before this action occurs.
    Section 4:  Pets are banned in the room with exception to service animals (including cybernetically-enhanced helper monkeys).
    Section 5: The selection of a new take-out restaurant requires public hearings and a 60-day comment period.
     
    Addendums:

    1: Sheldon must ask at least once a day how Leonard is, even if Sheldon doesn’t care.

    2: Sheldon will no longer stage spontaneous biohazard drills after 10 pm

    3. Sheldon will no longer practice Tuvan throat singing

    4: Apartment vacuuming shall be increased from two to three times a week to accommodate the increased accumulation of dead skin cells.

     
     
    Article 3: The Bathroom
    Section 1: Roommates will acknowledge and use the two pieces of tape in the bathroom designated for specific purposes:
    Tape A: Located in front of the sink. Person must brush and floss teeth behind the line.
    Tape B: Located in front of the toilet, those who stand up to pee must stand in front of it.
    Section 2: Before the use of a shower, the party agrees to wash his or her feet in his or her designated bucket.
    Section 7: The shower can have at most one occupant, except in the event of an attack by water soluble aliens.  
    Subsection B: The right to bathroom privacy is suspended in the event of force majeure.
    Addendum J:  When Sheldon showers second, any and all measures shall be taken to ensure an adequate supply of hot water.
     
    (Side Note: If someone gets the mirror or floor dirty, before Sheldon’s inspection, they can [and likely will] lose their TV privileges.)
     
    Article 10: Visitors
    Section 8:  24-hour notice will be given if a non-relative female will be staying over night.
    Section 8, subsection C: Roommates shall give each other 12 hours notice of impending coitus.
    Section 9: A girlfriend shall be deemed "living with" Leonard or Matt when she has stayed over for A) ten consecutive nights or B) for more than nine nights in a three-week period or C) all the weekends of a given month plus three weeknights.
    Section 9, subsection A: Upon a live-in girlfriend, there shall be a change in the distribution of shelves in the fridge.
    Section 9, subsection B: Apartment vacuuming shall be increased from three to four times a week to accommodate the increased accumulation of dead skin cells.  
    Section 9, subsection C: A change in the bathroom schedule shall be implemented.
    Section 9, subsection D: Girlfriend does not now nor does she intend to play percussive or brass instruments.
     
    Clauses
    Skynet Clause: In the event that one roommate creates artificial intelligence that’s taking over the world, the other roommate agrees to help destroy it.
    Body Snatchers Clause:  Roommate agrees to help the other destroy someone who has been replaced by an alien pod.
    Godzilla Clause:  Roommate will help the other destroy the entity which threatens to destroy Tokyo.
    Time Travel Clause:  In the event that a roommate invents time travel, he or she agrees the first stop is to appear exactly five seconds after this clause of the Roommate Agreement is signed.
    Ties Clause: All ties will be settled by Sheldon.
    Zombie Clause: In the event one roommate is bitten by a zombie, the other roommate can’t kill him, even if he turns.
    Bill Gate Clause: In the event that one roommate is invited to go swimming at Bill Gate’s house, the roommate will take the other to accompany him.
    Super Powers Clause: In the event one roommate gets super powers, he will name the other as his sidekick.
    Clause # 37: In the event one roommate is ever invited to visit the Large Hadron Collider, now under construction in Switzerland, he shall invite the other roommate to accompany him.
    Robot Clause: Roommate must assist the other if one becomes a robot.
    Reciprocity Clause:
    MacArthur Grant Clause:
     

    • prefer Penny…..my pet's name is Sheldon

  • +25

    Yeah I'd rather attempt a triple somersault backflop off the westgate bridge than live with you.
    Honestly sounds like you're running a concentration camp lol
    That beig said, yes most of them are fair but some are just over the top.

    • -1

      In my humble opinion, it is better to state the rules upfront rather than face difficulties through tenancy.

      • +3

        See, I don't agree with a lot of the things you've mentioned but I respect you being upfront and honest about what you're looking for in tenants/roommates.

  • +45

    Wow… That sounds… Just… Just awful… Perhaps house sharing isn't for you?

    "The toilet rolls, dish washing liquid, air freshener, etc can be shared – speak to the land lord about the sharing rules." For really real? We can share toilet rolls and air freshener… Better fill me in on the "sharing rules"

    The lodger is to use his/her own cutlery, plates, cooking utensils and appliances.

    "The lodger would use a cleaning sponge of their own." So we're good to share dishwashing liquid, but get my own sponge… these sharing rules are getting tricky…

    "This is not a dormitory or a back packers housing, so keep the noise to a minimum, limited to the room you are staying in. Do not use profane language or swear." FML

    "The lodger would not download via torrent sites, would not indulge in anything illegal over the internet." You what? You mean there's illeagal things in that there interwebz?

    The lodger would not use drugs. Failure to comply will cause immediate eviction.

    The lodger would be using electricity and appliances ‘smartly’ and ecologically, reducing the carbon footprint. What?
    "There is to be no unnecessary wastage of any utilities – gas, electricity or water. If there is any undue increase in utility bills, the lodger may be asked to pay up. There is to be no use of a heater without the express permission of the land lord." Please sir, it's awfully nippy sir… can we have a piece of coal to burn? Ah, dangit, that would be the carbon footprint clause…

    Washing machine load selection should be appropriate and only TOP LOADER detergent is to be used. Run a decent load rather than 4 – 5 clothes. Run the washing machine in the morning while the sun is shining.

    "The bins need to be cleared as and when they are full in its appropriate disposal bins outside. The outside bins need to be placed along the verge during their pick up days and conversely, brought back in after their collection." SCORE! No mention of the poor schmuck, I mean tenant having to do this… this is on the landlord… a Win for the little guy…

    "There are to be no guests unless pre-approved in every instance. There are to be no parties or sleep overs in the house." Please sir, my parents… they're driving up to visit… here are the last 7 years of their billing addresses and places of residence and 4 character references for each…

    "The lodger would remove foot wear before entering the house and use a separate pair of foot wear inside the house." Serisouly?

    "The lodger would not be using the land line phone." Even prisoners get phone time…

    "The lodger would be storing kitchen utensils and food material in designated areas only. Stuff inside the fridge would be initialled for easy identification."

    "The lodger should be aware that there is video recording for security purposes in the house." Serisouly?

    "The lodger would follow any other house rules that may be set by the land lord." Ah, this one's a zinger!

    My suggestion for improvement? Don't share your house. It's not for you.

      • +40

        Are you by any chance Indian? Before you call me racist I am as well..
        You seem to be overly uptight to the point where you can swallow a piece of coal and s*hit out a diamond.

        • +12

          Are you by any chance Indian?

          Let's see:

          Their name is shiva backwards.

          They work nights.

          They are vegetarian.

          They don't allow shoes from outside in the house and are generally uptight.

          I'd say that's a positive test for Indian.

        • +5

          @ms: Indians are Asians, bro.

        • +1

          @waterlogged turnip:
          Pretty sure they are. However, here we call the East Asians as Asians and South Asians as Indians.

        • +2

          @ms:
          What about south east asians?

        • -3

          @PresidentClinton:
          Whatever is closest to the asians. In "south east asians" east is next to asians. So east asians i.e. asians. East south asians would mean Indians ;)

        • +1

          @ms: way to over complicate things…. golfclap

        • +2

          @ms: Congratulations you have invented a new tongue twister!

        • @Scrooge McDuck:

          Shouldn't you be the one posting shit like this with a name like @Scrooge McDuck

          Change your name to Private Investigator.

          PS.. Good Job…

        • -1

          @Bullzye

          How many diamonds did you output today?

          Typecasting people may not be a nice thing.

        • +5

          @avihs:Not typecasting you and certainly not on your nationality. Was a general comment about you being Indian.
          You need to relax a bit. Time to unclench those buttock cheeks my friend!

        • @PresidentClinton:

          They are…… South East Asians? What else you wanna call them? SEA?

        • -1

          why are you asking actually, you looking for a date with same race? He/ She might have control addictions

        • @ms: they sound too clean to be Indian

      • +3

        I respect OP for being upfront about this. And for the record taking out the bins and taking off your shoes before you walk into the house (come on this keeps the indoors clean) are not at all unreasonable requests in my book.

  • +5

    I can see you have put a lot of effort into considering how you would like your shared house to function. What kind of lodger are you looking for? There are a lot of rules - there may be a certain personality type attracted to following rules, which could be a good or bad thing!. If I was looking to rent a room in your house as a lodger I would expect that my rent would cover some of the housecleaning; for example, the front and back yards as a minimum; I would not expect it to function as a sharehouse where all tenants have signed the lease and share all the chores too. This was the case when I was looking at rooms in someones house…. I have also lived in a share flat with a girl who had a lot of rules, and I moved away fairly quickly as I could not cope with the regimented lifestyle. I am a fairly easy going person but it was just really stressful in the end. You may also encounter this; it might be worth considering if you want someone who will stay for a long time, or a string of people who will follow some, but possibly not all of the rules.

    With a list of rules, I might consider grouping 'like' rules together so its less likely that people will 'forget' to follow them.

    All the best :-)

    • -7

      Hi Glittergirl,

      Many thanks for patiently reading through and expressing your comments. The regimented rules are lessons from the experiences I have had in the past and a hope to find a solution that mitigates the legal risk from a land lord's perspective. I am fair minded and would share my part of the chores and a bit more, but it is frustrating when someone who shares the house with you does not put the rubbish outside the house even if it is full on a garbage collection day - does that remind you of your house sharing days? Hence the rule that leaves onus on the lodger to pick rubbish. Isn't it a bonus when the land lord shares equal burden and there is a jovial sharing and caring atmosphere around?

      Trouble is law is sometimes too unfair towards landlords. Despite the rule on the contract, I had a druggie who was caught smoking dope in the house and was asked to leave - it took me a month to get the tenant to leave though I have evidences on my side.

      Thanks for the many kind words and advice.

  • +24

    As a landlord I find these rules too complex and over the top. All it does is deter applications. If you are a tenant, would you rent from a landlord who just prescribed to you 36 rules (#36 is pretty much anything else)?

    1. You should rely on good screening process to get the right housemate, lay down a few rules most important to you and rely on common sense.
    2. Tenants have their rights and you cannot instantly evict someone because they are a day behind in rent. You should be familiarise with your state's tenancy law.
    3. It is unreasonable to expect zero damage to the property. You should factor in wear and tear to the rent.
    4. If you care about the cleanliness so much, then ask each of the tenants to pay $10 extra in rent and get a professional cleaner to clean for you. This way the property will be kept in a fairly good condition and you get a good signal that the tenants care about hygiene.
    5. Things like excessive use of appliances. Why does it matter to you? Is it because it will cost more? Again, factor this into the rent.
    6. Why do you ban smoking, then have an exception that smoking is allowed?

    You need to respect your housemates. In the end, they pay you rent.

    • -2

      Hi Aggregate,

      Your advise was very wise and sane. Thanks for reading through and taking the time out to reply.

      I keep my rent very low, meaning the number of applicants are higher. Of those, I am looking for people who do not mind those rules. Each of those rules is a lesson I have learnt in the past, and would like to prevent in the future.

      'Tenants' have their rights, and are covered under 'Residential Tenancy Law', but 'Boarders' and 'Lodgers' are not covered. With Boarders and Lodgers, the agreement that is signed between the two parties is the law. Through these house rules, I as a land lord am trying to cover myself legally and also letting the lodger know exactly what I expect of the person so that in case of a dispute, I am not held guilty of not explaining what is expected of the person after entering a tenancy agreement.

      I would be considerate if the tenant would express inability to pay rent that week for some reason - as long as the tenant makes a concrete promise of repaying the next week, or after 10 days, maybe after two weeks - and keeps up the promise.

      Please advise if you still think I was unfair.

      • +8

        The tribunal may disagree with you on whether your rental arrangement is valid boarder/lodging house.

        • The tribunal may disagree with you on whether your rental arrangement is valid boarder/lodging house.

          Department of Commerce website has the following extract in its website under 'boarders and lodgers' section :
          "If you have been given permission to stay at another person's house and pay rent but are not supplied with meals or other services, you are most likely a lodger"
          You are a boarder/lodger… "…if you are entitled to live in the premises but you can not call the place your own, that is the landlord exerts control and authority over the whole premises." and "…if the landlord lives on site."

        • +7

          @avihs:

          You miss the point. Who is making the decision in case of a disagreement? The Department of Commerce or the tribunal/court? Just because a government department has some info on there does not necessarily mean it is legally correct - sometimes the government does get it wrong, too.
          I am sure you will find a disclaimer somewhere on the page that the info supplied is not to be taken as and does not constitute legal advice. Certainly if you relied on this info and then lost in a tribunal/court case, the Department of Commerce would not say that they are going to foot the bill because you relied on their info and lost.

          Also note the word "likely" - you really want to take such a risk in a hearing open to the public and being on public record forever?

          Finally, unless you get some complete moron, nobody is going to put up with the fact that they cannot lock their room and exclude you from their room (in other words, you cannot just walk into their room whenever you feel like it) - that is called exclusive possession and is what that excerpt really refers to.

          Look, you asked for advice. I think everbody on here agrees that your rules are not feasible and are way over the top. Some even listed alternatives (e.g., do not rent out rooms, different target market etc.).
          Stop defending these (and I am sorry but I have to call it as I see it) anal and stupid rules, act like a normal adult rather than like a paranoid super freak, and take the advice on board.
          Seriously, it is very likely that somebody will publish this list in the future (maybe friends of future lodgers who think the ldoger is having them on) and you will look like an absolutely …hole. Don't do that as I am sure at heart you are a nice person who just happens to have some control obsession.

        • +1

          Who is making the decision in case of a disagreement? The Department of Commerce or the tribunal/court?

          From the looks of the rules list I imagine he'd be going straight to the Hague.

      • +8

        Hi OP,

        (1) some of your rules are excessive, and very unlikely to be ever enforceable in case of disagreements. (2) Other rules are not specific enough. (3) And yet other rules are simply oppressive and in my humble opinion could even be viewed as severely restricting human rights.
        I give you examples:

        To 1. The rule to have visitors pre-approved or to limit cooking time to 30 min.
        To 2. the rule that other rules as the landlord sees fit must be followed - very wobbly rule (and in the extreme: what if you specify naked cleaning - don't laugh that has happened before) Or the rule about excessive use of electricity: how do you determine who is responsible? It will always be the other person. And what occurs if you are the one using the most electricity driving up costs for everybody? What happens if you do not clean well enough or do not do what you expect from them?
        To 3. Visitor pre-approval/no sleep-overs etc. The video surveillance rule - be mindful that this is also likely to breach privacy laws and can get you in very hot water, especially since you are the one in charge of the system and the recorded material (there are laws regarding storage security, access etc.)

        Also keep in mind that you will also have a lot of gear in the kitchen if everybody brings their own materials and gear.

        To be honest: you could pay me money to live at your place and I would not due to these rules.

        Please do not be offended but it seems to be that you want to make some money but are not really happy renting out the rooms. It would be ideal for you if you could find two people who pay you money every week but do not live there at all.

        Just a word of warning: there are lists like that circulating on the web. Other landlords have tried imposing rules like that and they ended up going viral on the internet severely damaging the landlord's credibility. Be mindful of that.

        Finally, you kind of admit that you want to call it boarder/lodger to circumvent the tenancy protection laws. I agree with Aggregate that a tribunal/court might see through that and won't be too pleased with you. You do not give the so called boarder many rights - what about exclusive possession of their rooms? Are you entitled to go in there whenever you please? Can they lock the doors? Can they lock the bathroom doors?……
        Keep in mind you deal with adult human beings, not little children.

        You need to either be prepared to let common sense reign as aggregate suggested or not let out the room and find some other source of income. Or alternatively, get a wife/husband, have some kids, and turn the rooms in rooms for the kids.:-)

        Good luck finding some people

  • +9

    OP, I take it you've never leased a house or rented out a room before. Remember that when you are a landlord, you are not only the owner of the property, you are also a business. Tenants are your customers. Remember that as much as you are providing them a place to live, they are providing you with income. You must treat them with respect otherwise they will not come back and continue paying your rent and if that happens, you will go out of business.

    If you walk into a restaurant, you will be expected to adhere to certain rules, yes, but at the same time, you will expect to be respected as an adult. You would not want to enter a restaurant that prescribes you to too many rules.

    Similarly, it's the same concept here. I understand that to you it is YOUR HOUSE and you can do whatever you want, but that's reckless and most of all bad business strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if you end up with no tenants or below market rents.

    • -4

      Hi Paulsterio,

      Thanks for reading through the long post and taking the time out to write comments.

      In fact, I have been through a lot of house share options and experienced quite a few difficulties with tenants that were unfair, careless and inconsiderate. Rules are a means to express what you expect of a person living in the house. Most of those rules enlisted are 'common sense' or 'courtesy' that most people follow anyway. By explicitly writing them down, I might give an impression of a person spoilt with too much authority. For example, it need not be written down as a rule that 'a person should help another person when he/she can', but it would look authoritative if written down.

      If you run a restaurant, you can tolerate an abusive customer to a degree. You know he/she is going to leave after having food. If you have the same person acting the same way towards your staff and other customers and comes back every night, would you still be tolerant or would you put up a board 'abusive customers would be asked to leave'?

      • +4

        I think you misunderstand my point.

        Of course if a particular abusive customer comes in every single day, I would ask them to leave, but I would not go so far as to put up a sign in front of my restaurant saying that customers have to abide by XYZ otherwise they're not welcome.

        I'm not saying what you're doing is wrong. I completely understand that you have certain rules you want all your housemates to live by and that's fine, but writing them up like this shows that you're treating prospective tenants like children and they won't like that. It's not wrong, of course, it's just bad business strategy.

        A better way to go about this would be to have a chat to the prospective tenants before they agree to sign the lease and move in. Talk to them about what you expect and ask them whether that is all okay with them. Having this as an informal chat would be much more inviting and understandable than a list of "regulations" which they must sign.

        • -2

          Hi Paulsterio,
          Thank you for your inputs.

          A better way to go about this would be to have a chat to the prospective tenants…

          I have tried that. What is mentioned, remains in the memory for a week or two. If the person is normally used to leaving used dishes in the sink until the time they need to use it next time, they get back to their old habit – because they find it convenient and thus see it as ‘right’ even at the cost of not following what was verbally agreed on. As a landlord, you tolerate it for a few times, try to put up for a while. Then you have a chat and tell the person. For a week following the conversation, you see clean sink. What do you do when the problem persists after that? You would take a pen and paper and write down a rule ‘do not leave used dishes in the sink’.

          I agree with the ‘…bad business strategy’ bit, but how else do I cover myself from the law which is seemingly biased towards tenants? I keep my rent low and in exchange, I expect the tenant to follow the inconvenience of washing dishes they used so the sink is clean and uncluttered for someone else to use.

        • +2

          @avihs:

          Believe it or not, I completely agree with you.

          What do you do when the problem persists after that? You would take a pen and paper and write down a rule ‘do not leave used dishes in the sink’.

          This is what you would do if the problem persists, not straight out. It would be silly to give these rules straight up because many of them are just common sense.

          The problem with your rules is that you simply are having rules for the sake of having rules. I can pretty much summarise it all into this:

          1) Pay me and listen to me or I'll kick you out.
          2) Keep the place clean
          3) I am the boss, so don't touch anything of mine, don't bother me, don't do anything without my permission.

          Essentially that's all you've said.

        • @paulsterio:

          1) Pay me and listen to me or I'll kick you out.
          2) Keep the place clean
          3) I am the boss, so don't touch anything of mine, don't bother me, don't do anything without my permission.

          I apologise that it has come across to you in that manner. That was not my intention. Maybe I will try to present it in a different way so I do not appear 'despotic' as you might have imagined me to be.

          I would be posting a revision to the original post after taking all the inputs and suggestions I have received. Thanks for the reply.

  • +34
    1. The lodger shall not pick his nose in front of someone else nor flick his booger on the floor nor stick it under the table or chair armrest.
    2. The lodger shall stand up and salute each time landlord/tyrant enters the room.
  • +20

    OP you really sound like someone who shouldn't have any lodgers at all. Heck I wouldn't want to live with you, with those rules.

    OP take a breath.

  • +9

    I guess OP thinks that everyone is desperately seeking a roomshare so he has the balance of power.

    Reality is no-one is going to want to live with that and you should learn to live in communal harmony before you even think about renting out a room, people aren't going to put up with you trying to dominate them.

    OP do you have any mental illness? this post is just not normal

    • -2

      Hi Kwaker,

      I hope you have not gone through the process of owning a house and sharing a room with a tenant that not only causes you financial loss, but also a lot of mental drain and stress - top it up with the law supporting the tenant and being unfair to you because you did not have an explicit agreement.

      I hope for you that you do not go through what I described above. If you do, you may come back to Ozbargain, read this post and agree with me after sharing your story.

      • +1

        actually I have had a bad tenant but I didn't resort to being ludicrous with the next one. fyi a boarder is not a tenant and has nowhere near as many rights.

        • -3

          Hi Kwaker,

          Good to hear you have had only good tenants after the bad tenant moved out. Hope you keep getting good tenants only – maybe you would reach your tolerance limits after three bad tenants, when you start seeing light in specifically stating in the agreement that the tenant would be considerate enough to not play loud music while you are sleeping in the next room.

          fyi a boarder is not a tenant and has nowhere near as many rights.

          Exactly. Also, with a lodger/boarder, the agreement you both write and sign is followed in case of disputes. It would make sense to make a detailed agreement with what you expect before tenancy commences.

        • +2

          @avihs:

          if your pointing the stick at everyone, the problem is not everyone

      • +5

        ye sick but do you have any mental illnesses though?..

        // are you kim jong un?

      • +2

        Keep in mind that the law not only exists to protect tenants against nasty landlords but also against overly anal ones, trying to take away people's basic and human rights.
        And it is good such laws exist. Keep in mind that tribunals/courts are not suckers - they know it when some "clever" landlord tries to circumvent the law by merely calling things a different name.

        A tiger is a tiger, regardless of whether you call it a dog or cat as what counts is the substance/reality of the matter.

  • +51

    37 Recite the rules in exact order before retiring to bed.

    • +2

      ROFL

    • +1

      In the event the tenant cannot recite the rules word for word, a 1% surcharge shall be applied to the rent for each incorrect recall, compounding daily.

  • +2

    and what's the problem with using front loader detergent in top loaders?

    • +28

      If you must use front loader detergent in a top loader, at least turn the washing machine on its front for best results.
      Conversely, turn the front loader on its back when using regular detergent.

      • +1

        lol

      • +14

        actually its labelled front loader because your only allowed to use a low sud in a front loader. a top loader can use either .. which just goes to show that you don't even get it

        • +3

          Not all top loaders are equal: my top loader is a water wise one and requires low sud detergent. says so on the sticker on the top.

          as for all the rules, good luck finding anyone to move in.

        • +2

          @windale:

          oh no windale your breaking the rules because your only allowed to use top loader detergent. lol

        • +8

          @kwaker:
          go straight to eviction.
          do not pass go. Do not collect your $200 bond.

          seriously, rule no.1 is you must advertise your rule list whenever offering a 'space'. You are wanting people to pay for a living space that only conforms to your rigid expectations and lifestyle. How very considerate of you.

      • +1

        this guy is a troll. come on.
        no one puts this shit in rules

  • +23

    I'm 99% positive that OP has to be making lols, and I was amused throughout the post. However, on the off chance that this is for real: OP, you seriously need to re-evaluate yourself and how you communicate with people. Having a list like this is ludicrous. You honestly only need two rules, and they are both for yourself, "don't share your house with complete d**kheads" and "communicate with people around you". You realise if it all gets too traumatic or too much of a hassle for you, you can simply inform your tenants that you've made a mistake and regretfully have to sell the property to live on an isolated boat. If you confront potential housemates with a list like this you're likely to have the exact opposite effect you want it to have. You'll filter out all the normal respectful people and only get applications from desperate scum bags. If somebody presented me with a list like that it'd be an immediate flag to bail. It's offensive, absurd, implies you're difficult to live with, and suggests that you currently have terrible housemates already living there. L2basic

    • -1

      Jenna12,

      Thanks for reading through the long list. Each rule is a lesson learnt from experience that I know has to be avoided in the future. Some of the rules can be overlooked/ignored if the person living with you is fair minded and considerate. However, like you guessed correctly, some of the tenants I have had were instrumental in being regimental in framing the list of do's and dont's which are essentially Courtesy or Common Sense, but just stated on paper specifically just to cover up the possibility of the other person not being on the same page with what you consider 'courtesy'.

      • +11

        id just like to point this out again

        If you confront potential housemates with a list like this you're likely to have the exact opposite effect you want it to have. You'll filter out all the normal respectful people and only get applications from desperate scum bags.

        OP i didnt read through all you BS rules, the first few lines were enough for me to see where this is heading. no one in there right mind will rent with you so that only leaves desperates and nutcases. your going to end up gang raped by drug fueled crazies or come home to all your stuff being sold to cash converters one day. good luck bein a landlord nazi, NO GOOD TENANT FOR YOU, NEXT!

  • +10

    The list does sound batshit crazy strict, but to be completely honest, that's how I used to keep my own place while living alone - I'm obsessively neat and tidy, and live by that rule list myself (I'm flexible though, so if I have guests or a party or whatever, the rules go out the window in order to have a good time).

    Would I ever choose to rent out parts of my home though? No. Hell no. I've share housed, and never would I do it again lol. I'd certainly never own a home and then share it with renters. I'd go mental. I'm a control freak. OP, if indeed you're serious by that post and list, and it isn't a joke (which I have a tingling sense it is), then you certainly don't sound like the type who should be sharehousing lol. You sound far too much like me to be able to manage that and retain any scrap of sanity :P

    I do disagree with some of your points though - the "no profanities" rule and "no torrenting" rule. Pfft.

    and this is just fecking creepy:

    The lodger should be aware that there is video recording for security purposes in the house.

    WTH? lol

    Every other rule, I can actually see merit in, after living with two animals other young women a few years ago. Dear God, they were filthy. Kitchen was a mess with sticky spillages everywhere, dishes piled up for days unwashed, appliances like hair straighteners left ON when they've left for work and have melted stuff in the bathroom - nearly causing a freaking fire, though I managed to find it before it got out of hand, electric blankets left on all day when they've been out, abuse of the poor washing machine with coins and metal bits on clothes coming off in the wash, being insanely loud at all hours of the night - slamming doors, cackling like drunken hyenas, having guests over at 4am who also seem to have no issue with making as much noise as humanly possible….

    I mean, I like to party and socialise and can be pretty wild myself, but I'm just not built for sharehousing and coping with the chaos of others in an unpredictable fashion.

    I really envied my other mates who sharehoused and were SO chilled out and completely not-bothered by anything in the world. They were made for sharehousing. Wished I was more like them, really.

    TL;DR - either the OP is having a laugh, or the OP should seriously reconsider living with other people under any circumstances lol.

    • -5

      Hi Waterlogged Turnip,

      Many thanks for reading through my post and taking the time out to comment on it. It feels good to find someone who has been through similar stress and attempted to create an order from chaos.

      Would I ever choose to rent out parts of my home though? No. Hell no.

      I would not choose to house share, it is only to make ends meet and save a little.

      the "no profanities" rule and "no torrenting" rule. Pfft.

      Is it too much to seek a tenant that does not use an 'f'-word every two breaths like his/her life depended on screeching obscenities at about 11,253 decibels. It could be a cultural difference, and in a multi-cultural world, it is fair enough to seek only a person that can comply.

      Use of torrents are fine while I am not at home or am sleeping as I have unlimited internet. Just so long as the tenant does not clog internet to the extent that I am unable to load a basic web page at 5 Kbps.

      and this is just fecking creepy:

      The point should have been more clearer that the recording cameras are outside the house, not INSIDE the house. They are meant to record people entering the house for security purposes. Lot of houses in the suburb have surveillance cameras.

      Every other rule, I can actually see merit in, after living with two animals

      You have not had my tenant who I learnt later was a mental patient who did drugs in the house, wrecked the room she stayed in and gave me a one month ticket to hell. Luckily, I managed to cancel the one way ticket and return back after a month with enforced eviction. When I told the 'Department of Commerce' person that the agreement states 'no drugs in the house', she asks me whether the agreement details what the consequences are if drugs are used? And since the detail is missing, she can not be evicted automatically. I wished to ask if there was an explicit rule written somewhere that prevented me from cursing her with spillage of hot coffee on her lap and the consequences I would face for wishing the same.

      I really envied my other mates who sharehoused and were SO chilled out and completely not-bothered by anything in the world.

      You would be like that too, if it does not bother you to pick a bowl from a pile in the sink which has dried out sauce and dehydrated noodles sticking onto its sides, washing it before serving your food in it and eating. I would rather make a few rules and control the situation :
      -> Only use your own dishes.
      -> No dishes to be left out in the sink.

      I would have to rely on house sharing until I am financially capable. The way I see it, even if it sounds ludicrous to others, is that I am being honestly upfront about what I expect the lodger to do after moving in. I could be lenient about some rules, keeping in mind that there is a little give and a little take. If it becomes completely one sided, I have something to show the tenant and ask him/her to mend ways and continue or otherwise, find another place where you can leave water to boil on the stove and go out to cinemas (yes, another experience from sharing).

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