House sharing rules

Hi fellow Ozbargainers,

I would like to set some house rules for my lodgers as I want to rent two bed rooms in my house. Some of you might have lived in share houses, some may be still living, some of you are land lords, some of you, lodgers/boarders/tenants.

I have come up with some rules for my house and I would like you to go through them, comment on them, suggest improvements or additions. Be aware that there are about 36 rules. Feel free to use the document or parts of it as needed.

House Rules

  1. Payment of Rent is the responsibility of the lodger, and the lodger would keep track of the payment day and pay up ON or BEFORE the due date. Non-payment or delays could result in fines and/or immediate eviction.
  2. The outside security door, the main door and the rear door are all to be locked at all times.
  3. The common areas like kitchen, dining, living, corridor, back yard, front yard and the lodger’s room need to be cleaned periodically using broom, vacuum or/and mop as appropriate. The cleaning roster, if in place should be strictly adhered to.
  4. The condition of the property is to be clean and hygienic at all times.
  5. When toilet paper roll is empty, it needs to be replenished and the cardboard roll cap is to be disposed in the bin.
  6. The toilets and bath rooms are to be maintained cleanly and hygienically at all times. There is to be no water on the toilet floor.
  7. The toilet rolls, dish washing liquid, air freshener, etc can be shared – speak to the land lord about the sharing rules.
  8. The lodger is to use his/her own cutlery, plates, cooking utensils and appliances.
  9. There are to be no food materials, left overs, bread crumbs left on the bench tops or in open utensils left out without immediately cleaning.
  10. The kitchen sink condition is to be clean at all times. Utensils have to be washed immediately after use. Food that is left out in the utensils needs to go into the bin rather than forcing it down the drain.
  11. The condition of the stove is to be clean and hygienic. Spillages are to be cleaned immediately.
  12. The lodger would take all steps and measures to use the things, utensils and appliances safely.
  13. The ventilator/exhaust needs to be used while cooking.
  14. Cooking time must be limited to 30 minutes and the lodger should be considerate of other people.
  15. The lodger would use a cleaning sponge of their own.
  16. The taps need to be turned off gently but firmly so there is no leakage of water.
  17. The lodger would close the doors softly, so as to not cause noise disturbance. Remember, the others could be sleeping.
  18. This is not a dormitory or a back packers housing, so keep the noise to a minimum, limited to the room you are staying in. Do not use profane language or swear.
  19. The lodger would not download via torrent sites, would not indulge in anything illegal over the internet.
  20. The lodger would not use drugs. Failure to comply will cause immediate eviction.
  21. The lodger would be using electricity and appliances ‘smartly’ and ecologically, reducing the carbon footprint. There is to be no unnecessary wastage of any utilities – gas, electricity or water. If there is any undue increase in utility bills, the lodger may be asked to pay up. There is to be no use of a heater without the express permission of the land lord.
  22. Washing machine load selection should be appropriate and only TOP LOADER detergent is to be used. Run a decent load rather than 4 – 5 clothes. Run the washing machine in the morning while the sun is shining.
  23. The bins need to be cleared as and when they are full in its appropriate disposal bins outside. The outside bins need to be placed along the verge during their pick up days and conversely, brought back in after their collection.
  24. There are to be no guests unless pre-approved in every instance. There are to be no parties or sleep overs in the house.
  25. There is no smoking inside the house.
  26. If you are a smoker, the designated smoking area is the back yard. Dispose the cigarette butts responsibly in an ash tray. Dispose the rubbish from ash tray every day.
  27. Any damage done to appliances or property, etc is to be reported immediately first and fixed in a timely manner.
  28. The lodger would remove foot wear before entering the house and use a separate pair of foot wear inside the house.
  29. Fan ventilator would be turned on before taking a hot shower. It has to be left on for some time after use (with the door closed) so the steam would be sucked out of the bath room. Keep the shower time short.
  30. Vehicle parking is to be at a pre assigned area only.
  31. The lodger would not be using the land line phone.
  32. The lodger would be storing kitchen utensils and food material in designated areas only. Stuff inside the fridge would be initialled for easy identification.
  33. The lodger should be aware that there is video recording for security purposes in the house.
  34. The lodger would ask before borrowing something, and would place things back in their original places after use.
  35. The lodger would be respectful to every other person in the house and their privacy.
  36. The lodger would follow any other house rules that may be set by the land lord.

Comments

    • +4

      Must not shower too many times every week to keep down water costs.
      Must not use too much deodorant because it stinks up the room

    • +2

      It's only smellz!

      • Haha Hello Rocko

  • +2

    I don't think I could live with the OP even it was for free.

  • +6

    Have you considered running a boot camp?

    • +3

      He should apply as a manager of a gulag. Or a concentration camp.

  • A number of these rules I can understand.
    However, 14. I'm an avid chef, constantly slow cooking and making sous vide food which can take anywhere from 1 to 72 hours. My rice cooker takes longer than half an hour to cook rice. I may want to make a roast? What If I'm cooking for the house? Does that half an hour get multiplied by the amount of lodgers?
    16. How will you police that exactly? Is 33 applying to the bathroom too?
    8. Where do you draw the line at the BYO appliances? Kettle? Rice cooker? Microwave? If you were to have 4 lodgers why would you need 4 kettles?

    I've lived in share houses before and I still do. I have lived with some similar rules but personally I believe your a little too over the top.

    That said, the worst rule I have encountered was "Only english is to be spoken inside the household"… So that meant I had to leave the house to speak to my parents, family and friends.

    • Hi Jordanzac,

      Thanks for the time spent to read through and comment.

      However, 14.

      I will endeavour to explain the rationale behind the thought - imagine three people living in a share house, where A and B arrive home at 6 PM and go to bed at 9 PM. C wakes up at 6 PM and has to leave by 8:30 PM.

      If you were B and you want to use the oven, roasting pork for 2 hours while using the slow cooker for rice and you make soup on the stove. That leaves hardly much time for A and C to do any of their cooking.

      The rule limits the time spent on the cooking stove to 30 minutes in peak time when another person wants to use the stove within the same time slot. While nobody is using the stove, you are free to do any snail-pace cooking.

      1. How will you police that exactly?

      Most of the entries on this list are difficult to police. But, they expressly state the expectations of the housemate so any understanding person knows the sensitivities and acts appropriately.

      Is 33 applying to the bathroom too?

      33 applies outside the house with security cameras facing out along the driveway.

      • Have you ever thought that with so many rules, the new tenant, would need to look up the rules list before doing anything? in fear that they will get kicked out if they break any one of them?

        Also by having so many rules, it deters people from even wanting to live with you. It makes you look like you are extremely controlling. Must control every aspect of your life and must get your tenants to mold around that.

        Good luck though in finding a tenant who is willing to do that. Or finding a partner who is willing to succumb to so many rules.

        • @Iplau

          Thanks for typing in your thoughts. Quite a few have generally opined that it would be a degree more friendly and welcoming if you cut down on the number of rules and leave them into the obscurity of ‘common sense’ and ‘responsibility’. Those are very subjective words.

          You walk in a large secluded part of a shopping centre, where an elderly person ambles along and slips on the floor, tries to get up but slips again. You look around and find nobody else. Your ‘common sense’ or ‘social responsibility’ goads you to go and help, but another person may not see it fit to help and rather chooses to slink away feigning ignorance. In framing the rules, I was stating ‘social responsibility’ is helping that fallen elderly person. I was explicit and accurate. Thus the list grew.

        • @avihs:
          These scenarios you keep inventing are ridiculous - paranoid, controlling, draconian, unwavering, unfriendly and not very tolerant. What are you paying people to live with you again? I dont think its enough.

        • @happysound:

          Thanks for the comment. I wish I had been able to explain my rationale better. Bitter experiences teach you what to avoid in the future.

        • +1

          @avihs: However creating rules to try to create your own utopia won't work.

          You may as well list out every single rule (you will may even break Ozbargain Posting char limit) to be a good human being, if you wanted to get the perfect room mate.

          Listing out everything you want, makes you look like a "unsociable" person. It is better if you just go along with the flow and just address issues when they come up. Thats what human beings are for, we communicate, it isn't just rule setting and telling people to follow you.

          The only rule I'd have is when you choose your tenants, they must be professionals. No uni students. I have had the best experiences with professionals.

          Also remember to get the entire rule list looked at and endorsed by a lawyer, because if any one of those break human rights and freedom of speech or something strange like that, then you can get sued back. lol.

        • @lplau:

          Thanks for the reply.

          Listing out everything you want, makes you look like a "unsociable" person.

          lol. I realised, thanks to the reception I received. I have good feedback with which I am going to review the original posting and alter it into something that is more presentable.

          …we communicate, it isn't just rule setting and telling people to follow you.

          As a land lord, you communicate and tell the lodger that leaving the security door unlocked is a security risk to the house. What do you do when the lodger keeps 'forgetting' this out of carelessness?
          You tell the lodger to leave because of this and other issues giving proper notice and he does not want to leave. You seek the support of the law, which tends to rule in favour of the lodger. It frustrates you.

          Advertising for professionals is a very good idea. They are responsible and considerate. I would prefer that too, but they are a small percentage of the applicants.

  • +3

    You need Hare Krishna disciples as your room mates.

    • +1

      Nah. Too noisy.

      • At least they are happy people; a little dance and a few "hare ramas" are okay … minus the symbols though of course … another rule coming up.

      • Nah. Too noisy.

        Only on the streets.

  • +8

    I'm glad I'm not not the refugee who ended up in the same tent as you.

    • +1

      this will probably get unpublished, but i lol'd

  • +14

    With a few more cameras installed in the kitchen and living areas etc, OP could earn some extra money launching an internet live stream. I'd subscribe to check in daily on how the housemates are coping with the onerous rules. Don't know if you'd want to tell the lodgers they're on "TV" - so long as you've told them there are cameras in the house. Now… what to call the show ? Big Bother.

  • +2

    I sublet a room in my apartment out and as is evident by my forum posts on OzBargain, I have had trouble with one sub tenant before.
    I now find a nice set of rules that are firm and upfront is a good starting point, but it is a fine line between coming off as a reincarnated concentration camp leader prison warden and someone who just wants problems over before they even start.

    While you seem to be on the right track, some of your rules are quite far fetched.

    If I had just moved in with you and started reading this, I would hope to every God on earth and the universe far and mighty that I hadn't signed a fixed term agreement/or handed over any bond before hand so I could quickly repack my things and GTFO of there!

    Sorry OP, you need a bit of work! I'd offer my thoughts on what rules need to be changed, but it seems many comments in here are spot on.

    • +1

      Thanks for offering your thoughts, CMichael.

      As you might have noticed, I read every comment and respond to most reasonable comments. If you have the time and the inclination, please add to whatever you consider as not covered so far.

      If someone could see from my view and empathise, it would be people who have had at least a few bad house mates before and made attempts to avoid situations like that in the future.

  • +3

    Moite,

    Your rules provided my nights entertainment and for that my friend, I thank you.

    I think you need to set a rule on housemoites leaving shit in the toilet though.

    I have a tenant who has rather violent bowel motions that are akin to induced labour: long, painful and almost requiring oxycontin. Needless to say the aftermath isn't pretty and the plumbers have had to be called on occasion.

    Therefore I stipulate:

    Rule no 37 boarder must maintain high fibre diet whilst lodging (to prevent large disharmonious bowel movements)

    • +1

      plumbers have had to be called on occasion

      What kind of bodily waste requires plumbers to dispose off?

      On a similar note, I once had a co worker use my toilet. His poop stayed at the bottom of the bowl for around 3-4 days. No amount of flushing would get rid of that eel.

  • +2

    In between laughing at all of the responses, I have been trying to understand the OP's perspective. I think I finally got it.

    "The lodger should be aware that there is video recording for security purposes in the house."

    This is going to be a reality T.V. show, isn't it? I can't wait! popcorn

  • +4

    OP can you please provide your ph number as it is with great honour I would humbly like to submit my application.

    Please note I have 58 landlord rules you must adhere to, as well as credit and police checks, as part of your application to be my landlord.

  • +5

    OP is f'd up. Some kinda nazi landlord. Just coz u own a freakin house , dosen't mean that you can make people in need for an accommodation your slaves. U need to get your act together man. It'll be a pity to be living with you. My landlord is supercool, we can do whatever the hell we want. We all live like friends and respect each other. If u are looking for people to pay you, so they can pay up your mortgage or you wanna hoard money or whatever, you should consider them as friends, and shouldn't act like a boss, you dont own them dude. They are people and people have rights. This is australia and not slavistan, ok. Bear in mind, house is a place where you come home to relax and get your peace of mind. Sucks to be you man.

    • +1

      Sucks to be you man.

      hmm Sounds more like sucks to be his Tenant.

  • +2

    This could make great tv viewing, My HouseShare Rules. Where's Channel 7?

  • +1

    Maybe it's part of a plan, make rules so ridiculous nobody will take you up on the offer.

    I hear people do this with motorcycles, when their wife forces them to sell it. So they put it up for some crazy high amount, guaranteeing that nobody will buy it.

  • First of all good luck.
    Second, sorry for any repetition.
    The discussion is too long to read it all completely.
    You should speak to people with real estate experience, to do things correctly.
    There is a "tenancy tribunal" type of thing in some states, so know about this and learn your legal rights and responsibilities.

    Not everything you require is legally en-forcible and much is not reasonable.
    Understand that the level of domestication of people varies.
    You may have to compromise some of your comfort to have a paying housemate.

    You could charge a bond, but obey your State Government rules on these matters.
    Get references.

    Don't allow any fish frying inside the house and aim for non-smokers. (These smells are hard to get rid of.)
    Don't allow candles in any way, shape or form. You will need smoke/fire detectors installed for safety.

    Supply the toilet paper, toilet cleaner and crockery etc. You then can claim the person as paying full board or not.
    The Gov. likes to know this distinction if you tenant/housemate is getting a commonwealth gov. support.
    If you really think you can get people to adhere to a roster, once again, good luck.

    Make it clear that every time they use the toilet, they must "Blue the Loo" or something to remind them to use the toilet brush.
    You understand this?

    Keep rules/things brief and straight-forward

    Have a designated lounge chair for yourself.

    Require that you get to meet any visitors and require to know their full name. (Which you will record for security and safety purpose.)

    Require a rule about giving notice that works each way.

    Don't ever loan any money or let them off the hook in not paying rent in advance.

    Their room is their room.
    If they want to have some-one over for something you may not approve of, like casual sex, you may not want to share your house.

    Many young people do use drugs these days, so in this matter, good luck.
    Perhaps you should allow dope, but nothing else?
    Don't allow ICE if you value your property.

    I can't think of anything else at the moment, but be aware that your home and contents insurance does not cover you tenanting out your rooms, unless you have that specific cover, which will be more expensive.
    You also will need to declare the rent as income for tax purposes.
    Re-write your rules in the light of what is important and remove the trivial, like plates being used for meat or not meat. Trust me this is trivial, compared to trying to motivate people to clean up after themselves.

  • How about if the tenant leaves meat in the fridge/freezer?

    I think the first and foremost important criteria is that the tenant should be a vegetarian.

    • Your avatar inversely matches that of dealman (scroll up). lol

      I'm easily amused.

      • +1

        Yeah. I am looking at her with my loving eyes. We are in love ;)

    • +1

      @ms

      | I think the first and foremost important criteria is that the tenant should be a vegetarian.

      or vegetation to accept all those big brother rules

  • OP is actually misunderstood and runs a monastery.

  • +3

    Dear OP, you do not need share mates. you need a doctor. Psychologist.

  • wait a minute…Op, you're not trying to compete with channel nine's Big brother, are you?

    at least they offering $250K prize money…lol

  • +1

    Unless you have like minded people, you are going to struggle getting room mates.

    • +5

      Would the OP be able to put up with all the extra rules from like minded people though?

  • Just wondering what are landlords doing in cases like this where they have boarders staying with them with regards to home insurance ?

    I just checked and normal insurance won't cover if there are any tenants staying in the house.

    • Every home/contents policy I've seen has excluded theft from anyone invited into the house. This includes tradespeople etc.

  • OK Just adding my 2 cents to the base conversation… we had a boarder stay with us in the initial 2 ~ 3 years, He was more of a friend than a boarder, Co-worker, good friend and long time associate, he payed us some rent also contributed to the house expenses till he got married and moved out.
    In return he got everything the same as us, same food , use of everything in the house as his own…

    We had No rules, treated him as family and he did likewise, if there was anything ever amiss, I would simply talk to him and he'd take care of it, same viceversa..

    Countless times when we both helped each other a lot,

    The Op's situation is different and he's taking in strangers but I'd certainly recommend taking a tenant in if you both are that flexible and know each other, We enjoyed the days , this was before we had kids…

    • +1

      Sounds like a great boarder/friend. Unfortunately, there are some people who would never listen to reason, some who will never compromise just a little bit, pretend to listen and continue doing whatever (even if its just a basic/normal request). They will do it when you tell them, but if you leave them to it, they will not do it or even blatantly lie about doing it.

      • Sounds like a great boarder/friend.

        Very much agree. Dealman was lucky.

        @lolbbq You described the kind of tenant I had due to which I made up the house rules.

        • Very much agree. Dealman was lucky.

          No I was choosy, We only took in people who could gel with my values and stay as a member of the family, not as a boarder,

          No agreement no paper 100% trust. Will not work for everyone but worked for us.

        • @avihs

          Stop using the terms lucky and common sense in this context… consider 'fortunate' or 'necessarily cautious' and 'considerate/reasonable' - honestly, you sound insane to say all these things are common sense or that people have just been lucky with their tenants and housesharing… Take some responsibility and words with plain, real world meaning beyond luck n common sense!
          http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CommonSenseIsAnIllusion

  • +2

    Even the nicest person moving in to that house, after reading those rules, would be driven to insanity / run a mile.

    Definitely do not rent your house out, you and the tenant will have a terrible experience.

  • +2

    I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with the majority on this one. Almost all of these rules are so reasonable that they shouldn't even have to be said. In my eyes unreasonable starts with requiring the tenants to do a formal bow and say 'My liege' every time you enter a room. The rules that could be interpreted as a little over the top like the one about making noise or using the kitchen for too long, sound much more reasonable if you explain them as less of a firm rule and more as goals to aspire to. Imo you need to separate your list into the 'nice to haves' and 'can't do without'.

    The real problem here is that you bring out these rules at the beginning, its just too premature. Its like telling a girl you worship satan on the first date. Its not helpful and will just scare her away, even if she might be into it. Leave that knowledge for later in the relationship, when you need her blood for an incation.

    Best thing you could do here is think of all the rules you want, explained in heavy detail, and print them out on a large piece of paper, with the text getting progressively smaller until you need a microscope to read it. Then wallpaper it to the wall, and get tenants to sign it when they come in.
    Willy Wonka did it

    • Imo you need to separate your list into the 'nice to haves' and 'can't do without'.

      I consider your suggestion Very Valuable. Thanks for that.

      …wallpaper it to the wall, and get tenants to sign it…

      ROFL

  • The lodger would follow any other house rules that may be set by the land lord.

    Why do you need the other 35 rules, when this covers all the bases.

    • @ms

      Why do you need the other 35 rules, when this covers all the bases.

      The rules are a worst case scenario when the tenant does not resonate with what is normally 'considerate'. Hence the explicit set of expectations that cover most possibilities. Rightly identified as the superseding mother of all the rules, this one gives you the flexibility to add something else if you think the tenant is being unreasonable about something that is not covered in the list and dialogue process does not do the job for you.

  • +3

    I feel like this is just a sublimation of OP's repressed BDSM tendencies.

    • +2

      LOL. Page two is probably a list of 36…. punishments.

  • While sometimes I live with very specific tendencies and quirks, I could never impose them on others.

    Having read through the list, some are very reasonable but others are over the top. That list is going to deter even the best of tenants/boarders.

    • +2

      All of the over the top rules wouldn't actually be over the top if they had the right reason/situation around them and perhaps some are guidelines etc.

      OP has clearly had some bad housemates and doesn't know how to prevent it again.

    • …some are very reasonable but others are over the top.

      In my humble opinion, I have tried to be honest on what I expect of the lodger. Most of these should already be followed by the lodger because of their upbringing/culture/considerateness.

      You would normally walk with your alternate feet going forward. What I did was to write down explicitly that you put the right foot forward, then the left to walk. Would you oppose it and walk with two left foot forwards and two right foot forwards with a 'if-it-is-a-rule-break-it' sense prevailing, or maybe a general opposition to anything that is a 'rule' or, would you just see sense in what is written, accept it as 'but of course, I would have followed that anyway'?

      That list is going to deter even the best of tenants/boarders.

      I have received some very wise suggestions and I will improve on the list, making it look more presentable/friendly.

      Thanks for taking the time out to comment.

      • 'Would you oppose it and walk with two left foot forwards and two right foot forwards with a 'if-it-is-a-rule-break-it' sense prevailing, or maybe a general opposition to anything that is a 'rule' or, would you just see sense in what is written, accept it as 'but of course, I would have followed that anyway'?'

        Does this mean no line or lion dancing?

  • +3

    OP, the bottom line is ..you are not ready to share house with other people . And there is nothing wrong with that. Just find other alternative for source of income. You'll be happier that way.

  • +2

    You sound like a party animal OP, what you doin Saturday night bro? Lets go rock it!!!!!!

    • +11

      At a reasonable time, for a sensible duration no longer than 55 minutes.

      All participants will adhere to a strict three (3) drink limit.

      • +3

        failure to comply with these rules will incur a fine and/or eviction from my friendface friends list

        • +1

          Have you tried turning it off and on again ?

      • +3

        Participants will also bring their own cups and clean any spillages immediately. The lodger will use their own cleaning sponge.

  • Finally managed to read everything. The longer you share the higher is the probability that you would end up with a horror story. And there is no way to know 100% what the person is really like in one interview. I have had a person that had to be taken by police to a mental hospital, a person who brought his girlfriend and her four children to the rented out room and many less extreme cases. On the other hand I had a guy waking me up at 1AM and after reluctantly letting him come for inspection he turned out to be the best flatmate ever, later I was the witness at his wedding. No one is sharing the place because they enjoy in it and when you rely on sharing the costs you cant really wait for months for the right person to show up. Everytime I look for a flatmate I post an ad with a lot of information and in capital letters that only RESPONSIBLE, CONSIDERATE, QUIET and TIDY people apply, yet out of say 6 people contacting me daily 3 have not properly read the ad, and are asking me many questions which have all been answered in the ad, then out of 4 people with whom an inspection has been scheduled only 1-2 actually show up while the others dont even let me know they won`t be coming. This all shows how bad the pool of potential applicants is. And when you cannot afford not to share it is very tough, you just have to accept people you would prefer not to.

    • Thanks for the many words of wisdom shared. It looks like you have had some awful and terrible cases too along with some good ones. Looks like you have seen the gamut that I did.

      …RESPONSIBLE, CONSIDERATE, QUIET and TIDY…

      Those magic words would suffice really if a person who really adheres to them responds. Then you may not need a set of rigid rules between you. An understanding can be arrived at through dialogue.

  • I think #19 is the biggest problem here..

    • +1

      Yeah! what about all my legal Linux distributions? And public domain movies!

  • Hey, can you please add this into the list. I have my front neighbors sharing their house with 4-5 couples/families and going through lots of trouble living just opposite of the end of the court.

    They leave rubbish bins open or overflowing so that the lid gets open with wind and blow the rubbish everywhere on street and given the wind direction they mostly end up in my door step or side yard. I have to hand pick them on weekly basis on my land, nature strips and road front.

    Their tenants park cars everywhere in the court. On neighbors nature strips and right in front of neighbors doors even though they that house has it's own garage, drive way and street front/nature strip and they all are empty. Some times I have 4 cars parked bumper to bumper in front my house and they stay there for weeks continuously. I am not sure about your situation but when you live in a court you need think about neighbors as well and learn how to share the court with others in fair way. Please have some rules on this as well so that you won't make your neighbors upset while making money.

    • -1

      Hi Rmamila,

      Thanks for taking the time out to follow this thread and share your experiences and thoughts.

      Sorry to hear about your plight. Please consider the following options :

      1) Speak to the neighbours politely and explain them the problem you are facing.
      2) If you so wish, try dropping an anonymous letter explaining that you are a concerned neighbour facing this problem.
      3) Talk to your neighbours and see if you all can come up with a solution.
      4) If you have a strata company, raise this issue with them.
      5) Worst case of all, approach the council. I say 'worst' because you have to be very patient and persistent to get them into action, especially in this case.

      …can you please add this into the list.

      To cover the possibility, there is rule 30 that states vehicles are to be parked in designated places only. Also, there is rule 24 about preapproved guests. If the lodger's guest repeatedly blocks my driveway or my neighbour's, I would not have to approve that guest in the future.
      (Most of the readers would agree that this need not be written as a rule, but the case here illustrates why the 'rule' was important, and how it covers you. Naturally, when you talk to the tenant, the issue should have been sorted, but you would find that the issue keeps cropping up despite requests from you.)

  • Before I started sharing if someone told me that you have to explain to a person that the microwave door needs to be closed after use I wouldnt have believed them. And many other things. What you see during sharing definitely expands your perception of the world. In principle there are a few major problems: 1. Not paying rent or not paying in time every time - this one is the most serious and due to tenancy laws you cannot force a flatmate to move out even though they havent paid rent. You have to pay for application to tribunal/court then wait for a hearing for around a month and then wait for a sheriff to come to kick the flatmate out. Completely insane if you ask me. As if one comes to a supermarket and starts eating you cannot kick one out and have to wait for him to have a very nice meal before they walk out, for free of course. Even if the court/tribunal ask him to pay he can declare bankruptcy.
    2. Cleaning - I have never had anyone for six years I have been sharing who cleaned without being explicitly asked to do so. And the lengths to which they would go not to clean are unbelievable. Once I went to an overseas holiday and the flatmates started throwing away the rubbish only after maggots started crawling all over the place. This goes for all genders, races and cultures.
    3. General courtesy - not being selfish and thinking only about yourself - under this category everything else goes.

    • +7

      @ Noskich - what's wrong with your typewriter. Please get it fixed before commenting further, you're hurting my eyes.

      • Not sure and I don`t know how to fix it? Admins help?

        • Looks like it's fixed. Thanks

    • @Noskich
      The points you have made are exactly the issues I have been trying to deal with and trying to enforce as an onus on the tenant. Of course, if the tenant is responsible, you would not have to bother with the rules, as all of them would be followed anyway.

      1. Cleaning…rubbish only after maggots started crawling

      2. General courtesy

      If the tenant is responsible, no problem. If they are not, you are in a soup. If you are getting into a soup, it is better to be in the soup having yourself covered with a house rules signed copy rather than with out it.

  • +1

    36 rules? too much. A simple Bill and ted "Be excellent to each other" would suffice in most circumstances.

    So your looking for more money, but cant stand living with others? Move out!
    WHAT! move out of my house? are you mad!
    No. Well, nothing that's been legally proven.
    Move out and offer the whole house as a rental property! You may be able to find a cheap unit, and rent out the house for $unit cost more. House starts paying for itself (and you get to choose the tenants iirc), you get more moneys, and no one messes with your stuff!

    • I thank you for spending time to comment. I have considered that option, but have some projects in mind for the house. I also have too much furniture that would deter me from thinking about moving in elsewhere.

  • +1

    Keep it simple. There is only one rule:

    Give me your money ON or BEFORE rent day, and be invisible at all other times.

    • Give me your money ON or BEFORE rent day, and be invisible at all other times.

      lol…spot on. Also, 'importantly, keep your mess invisible too'.

  • Most rules are just common sense, but considering the number of idiots out looking for rentals someone needs to lay down these rules.

    • Who's the idiot who negged you, Don't you worry my love, I'll upvote your every comment / Deal.

      • Love you. Woof woof.

        • You guys are barking mad…

          Love it!
          throws tennis ball

  • +4

    Whoah man, I just don't know what to say. You are actually doing all your prospective tenants a favour by letting them know what a giant douche they would be moving in with.

    Seriously, living with my parents wasn't even that restrictive. Asking for pre-approval for guests? What am I, 12? 30 minute cooking time? Only can wash clothes in the morning?

    You are that bad housemate people wish they could avoid.

    Seriously man, I've lived in share houses for many years. It never goes 100% well but people find equilibrium. The only lesson I learned worth passing on is that you have to realise other people's standards probably aren't as high as yours in some areas. I am obsessive about dishes and hygiene. In all my share houses I was the only one who was bothered by a soggy sponge in the sink.

    What did I do about it? I didn't write up an elaborate mess of rules and get all stupid about it. I just bought my own sponge. I adapted instead of forcing everyone else to adapt to my clearly uncommon views.

    Just do everyone in the world a favour and don't share your house at all. No one should be subjected to all that nonsense.

    • +3

      I agree, its about compromise and communication.
      Not about setting rules.

      Most things you can resolve just by speaking out. By laying out the rules you are basically implying that you will not compromise and you must follow them or get evicted.

      • Most things you can resolve just by speaking out.

        So true with some people I shared with. With some others, it is easier to expect angels singing lullaby to you to drown the Geese Cackling in the next room after you told them you are going to sleep.

        • angelic lullabies to geese cackling? Run for the hills folks! Or under a bridge! Trolls arent even that out of touch with communal living.

    • @Talonparty

      …mess of rules and get all stupid about it. I just bought my own sponge.

      Thundering Thor! The very idea occurred to me too. And the inconsiderate tenant thought his sponge is too dirty for his standards, too expensive for his wallet, too much of an effort to go to the shops to buy a sponge and started using mine!
      Hence the rule 15, asking the lodger to use a sponge of their own.

      …adapt to my clearly uncommon views.

      'uncommon' views, as you ironically mention at your expense is exactly the views I subscribe to.

      …subjected to all that nonsense.

      A closer, unbiased reading might show that the 'nonsense' you refer to is actually 'common sense'.

      Thank you for commenting and sharing your honest views.

      • You missed my larger point. Don't try to make the world adapt to you, just adapt to the world.

        You're going to have a hard time imposing the majority of those rules on anyone but the most desperate. Are they really the ones you want to share your home with?

        What about my earlier point. Don't you think it's a little condescending to force your tenants to ask permission to have a guest over? You never even specify if it is overnight or just over to watch some TV together. You are not their parent and I don't know why you'd want to act that way. These are people who pay for and have a legal right to stay. You aren't doing them a favour by letting them rent from you. This isn't like mum and dad saying 'while you live in my house and I pay the bills you will live by my rules'.

        You're an adult and you have enough 'common sense' to follow most of these rules by yourself, yet you assume no one else can figure this out without being explicitly told. You come across as someone who thinks they are the only one smart enough to have figured this shit out. Like everyone else in the world is too dumb to know how to live in a sharehouse properly. If they are 'common sense' rules then rent the room to a 'common man'.

        The attitude stinks and it would make me run for miles.

        And I specified uncommon views because despite their importance to me it seems I am in the minority. It's like a microcosm of the real world man. If you can't live with others who don't share your views you are going to have a difficult time interacting anywhere.

        • @Talonparty

          …yet you assume no one else can figure this out without being explicitly told.

          For a person who has not had a lot of share housing experience, it would obviously seem pedantic to lay down everything on paper where most of what is written is followed anyway by most people. The rules cover you from the minority if you befall the misfortune of encountering them.
          If your team had 5 wins in a trot, you would naturally feel upbeat. On the contrary, 5 loses on a trot would make you be prepared for the worst and deal with it to avoid the sixth loss.

      • Stop using common sense so wildly - it does not fit any definition. Common sense is meant to be your learned and assumed standards? Or being reasonable to most others? If anything, it is an uncommon sense that you are privileged to as a home owner and are looking enforce on others.

        http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CommonSenseIsAnIllusion

        • …it is an uncommon sense that you are privileged to as a home owner and are looking enforce on others.

          Asking for toilets to be clean at all times, sink to be uncluttered, appliances to be turned off while not being used, security door to be locked, fan exhaust to be on, rent to be paid on time, not doing drugs, etc - everything is 'common sense', and it is safe to assume most people follow them without being told. The rule list only makes sure this is expected of them, 'even though they know them all and follow them all'.

          You would be surprised as to how many people leave lights and fans on while they go out shopping - just out of carelessness.

          View the rules with a positive mindset, and avoid being influenced by the mass opinions so as to be counted safely in the majority.

  • I also forgot to ask, OP, what happens if you break one of the rules? Can the HMs enforce a fine on you?

    • @Davo1111
      Good question. I tend to preach what I follow and I am tolerant to a certain degree too. If there is excessive rule breaking and it is not resolved after talks, I intend to ask the tenant to leave after giving them a reasonable time to leave. Conversely, if the tenant does not like the place, they can leave after giving me reasonable time to find another tenant.

      It is not a 'Heads I win, Tails you lose' conundrum. lol

      • so 'do as i say, not as i do'

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