Facing a Disciplinary Hearing at Uni

Hi all, I've found myself in quite a tricky situation. Any advice would be welcomed. Basically, I am facing a disciplinary hearing at uni for what they have termed serious misconduct. The uni has been 'investigating' for over two weeks. I had a chance to attend the uni and meet with them, but ended up walking out as the faculty lady was extremely patronizing and rude. Looking back, probably not the best way to handle the situation. The uni has not been very helpful at all, and I was wondering if anyone has been in a similar position and what to expect. Will I have a chance to speak? Should I get a lawyer? Is it likely that I will be excluded?

The incident relates to something that occurred on a practical placement, which, I admit, was extremely unprofessional. But at the same time I feel like I have a good case against the uni and my placement provider, who didn't offer me adequate supervision for the type of work I was doing, or, in the case of the uni, even respond to my concerns about what was occurring at placement. Basically, I was treated more like a worker than a student and made to do serious overtime and complete tasks that I believe were outside my role. I tried to handle it professionally, bring it up to my supervisor who kept telling me they were busy and pushing back our supervision. Then I called and emailed the uni to no response.

The stress of the placement got to me and my mental health declined leading to the aforementioned incident and me ending up in hospital. The uni seems like all they want to do is cover themselves as well as the placement provider, and have even accused me of lying about correspondence to the uni and my supervisor related to the concerns I was having. I have the documented evidence to provide including emails, texts etc. But when I asked the uni if I could provide this, they didn't bother responding. How should I handle this? The uni has been useless as well as the uni advocate.

While I understand the uni is all about policy and procedure, I don't think its fair for them to look at the breach in isolation from their own negligence in providing me what I am paying them for, as well as the placement provider which basically neglected my need to be supervised and supported in doing the work. Do I have a case? Any advise would be welcomed.

The incident relates to me attending placement under the influence of an illicit substance after not having slept the night prior. I had a few assigned tasks that day- including driving. I realize this was serious, but at the same time I don't think I was thinking rationally due to the compounding stress of the situation. I was called into a meeting with the supervisor and disclosed this. I did contact the liaison prior to this happening- the person between uni and the placement- to no response. Hence I felt I had no other avenues left. I attended the placement the next day and management was notified and I was terminated from placement in a meeting.

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  • Go get a job and pay back yours Hecs fees while your at it

  • +7

    "The incident relates to me attending placement under the influence of an illicit substance after not having slept the night prior. I had a few assigned tasks that day- including driving."

    Zero sympathy there. Deal with the consequences. The only person that (profanity) up here is you.

  • +7

    "my mental health declined"

    Maybe the bongs aren't as healthy as the pro weed crowd tell you they are.

  • +4

    Showing up to work high on illicit drugs is pretty damn hard to justify no matter what they have done to you prior. There is practically no justification for being on illicit drugs. In fact you would have been better off not showing up at all then to show up on drugs.

    That is a huge liability for organisations to allow someone to be there who they know has been on drugs (especially where driving is involved) that they will feel obligated to do everything they can to remove you… Because if they let you continue, and you ever turned to illicit drugs again (no matter what the situation), and something bad happened while you are associated with them, they could be found liable even though you're the one who did it.

    For something as serious as this, practically your only bet to stay is to get a lawyer, and even then you'ld probably have to take it to court and convince a sympathetic judge that it's was justified. $$$$$

    You've gotta weigh up if it's worth $$$$ fighting where there is a high chance of not winning, or cut your losses.

    Honestly, see a lawyer anyway to see where you stand.

    Maybe there is a possibility that the university will allow you to quit on your own volition and be able to get your transcript (that you can take with you to another uni), and not getting an expulsion on your record - in exchange for not disputing the uni's conduct? Ask a lawyer if that is even possible.

    Source: I am not a lawyer and I'm not well versed in how universities work.

  • -8

    I was not impaired and completed the tasks fine. My mistake was disclosing it. I could have not said anything and it happened again… So obviously I wanted help.

    • +5

      Your mistake was taking it and going to work. It sucks, but nowhere are they going to accept "I was stressed so I took illegal drugs" as an acceptable excuse (try it on a cop, they wont respond in a favorable way).

      I can understand the stress that you must've been in, but there are other ways of handling it. I have also found that student guilds are rather helpful in these situations.

    • +1

      It's not the point whether you think you were not impaired or you weren't actually impaired, or you weren't even high at the time, or if it was only found out via. drug test or admission. Once the fact is they know you were ever high illegally, that is enough to trigger such a response.

      I always thought this was common sense. Serious question: Did you honestly not know how serious it is to be found to be illegally high on drugs when you have work, sport or uni commitments?

      • In the context of basically a mental breakdown no I was not thinking rationally. Stress impacts people in different ways. This is one of the most stressful fields you can work. All the other students from different unis had support, I didn't. Yes I handled it badly. But had the support been in pace it wouldn't have happened. Because I've never had an issue like this before and have one sucsefful placement under my belt.

        • +2

          When you are not having a mental breakdown and are thinking rationally, do you actually know the seriousness of taking illicit drugs? Are you still having a mental breakdown? I'm genuinely asking, not being condescending.

        • +7

          Oh I didnt get any support! It's everyone else's fault but mine.

          Grow up princess.

          You're on your own out there.

    • +12

      So you're telling us they were completely unaware of any impairment and you just blurted out that you're high completely out of context in the conversation that was happening between yourself and your supervisor? That doesn't make any sense.

      Also you're in no place to judge your performance while you're under the influence. hence why the law doesn't state "If you feel OK to operate a motor vehicle while under the influence, go right ahead you must be fine."

  • Take some time out from it all. It can take a good month or so before you will have ability to think fully rationally about it all, the way you think when you are well. I would tell the Uni you are not 100% yet (if it wasn't very long ago) and that you need time to recover from your illness

  • +3

    Most workplaces wouldve booted you under a random drug test so to be honest take it as a lesson learned and the consequence with it. Dont have a sook on ozbargain and take the punishment like a proper adult. I would advise against any legal action too, universities are very well connected and very wealthy - you wouldnt have a fair shake.

      • +1

        In my profession random drug and alcohol testing often occurs so ive seen people get pinged for it - just dont it, its really not worth it coming home without a job and the prospect of obtaining further employment are tarnished. Of the 7 people who I know have been fired over it only 1 has been able to find employment in a significantly junior position (laughable really). You're lucky its only the uni taking action and not the employer taking you as a placement candidate - youll probably have a chance to enter into another uni with transferred credits or fail a year but pass the next but at least your name isn't dirt.

        • OP's name is forever tarnished on OzB haha

        • +26

          @dgu123:

          Your attitude will take you far in life…good luck mate - you'll need it.

  • +6

    There is some great advice in this thread. Lawyering up is not great advice.

    At the end of the day - you are clearly guilty. The only argument rests with what the punishment should be.

    Take ownership. Man up. Show remorse. Don't make excuses. Take what's coming.

    Only then will you be a man. (or woman…)

    • +2

      He needs a lawyer to put him back in his place about his notions that he somehow has a case against the uni, and to give him practical legal outcomes that may be possible without completely losing all the course credits he has got so far. It is clear from his posting here that he clearly has his head in another world, and I don't think it's the stress, sounds more like it's the Affluenza.

  • +11

    OP some friendly advice next time you post on here, perhaps you should replace:

    Hi all, I've found myself in quite a tricky situation. Any advice would be welcomed.

    With:

    Hi all, I've found myself in quite a tricky situation. Any advice that validates my point of view and showers me with praise in my struggle against the man

    That way we all know you just want a pat on the back and not any actual advice.

  • you keep telling us this is one of the most stressful jobs etc etc, what exactly is it? because depending on this, magnitude of your consequences may vary!

  • +1

    Lacking support from Uni is probably not very nice of them, but you driving under influence (I am assuming you were driving a heavy vehicle or machinery)? That's just stupid. You could've killed someone. Face the consequences like a man.

  • +8

    This is a complex issue (I'm not a medical practitioner, just a social commentator). Whilst none of us can comment on the illness the OP has, delusion should definitely be added to his/her ailments. The sense of entitlement exhibited is disgusting. If I had someone willingly admit to me they were impaired with an illegal substance, I'd have called the police.

    The fact the OP just commented "lucky I am too then" when someone mentioned universities are rich and well connected is another display of his/her extreme arrogance.

    I'm subscribing to this thread now just to see how much further OP sinks in denial. You need help buddy, but you also deserve what is coming your way. Try showing humility and remorse and you might get somewhere.

  • OP should attend Dr Rockzos clown college

  • +11

    After reading all the comments, I think OP should storm into the hearing and give 'em all a serve, particularly about how it's not really his/her fault but the university's & the employer's. If they disagree kindly remind them whom your well connected father is and that your family's good money pays their exorbitant salaries. I mean, everyone makes small mistakes such as working / driving while high on illicit drugs and besides that, what of mental health?! Am I right or what?!

    So stride out of there with your chin up champ and make sure to drop the c bomb on the way out! Handled like a boss!

  • +1

    Better not dig a bigger hole. Amit your wrong for taking a illicit substance, be open to help and say you need help. Also be open to negotiations to soften the blow of punishment, and not burn any bridges with anger.

    At least no one died etc. In the future you will probably run into possible tougher situations than and this one might be seen as that silly incident when you were younger.

    Life is a series of challenges and hurdles. It's how you navigate them that matters.

  • +21

    I find the misguided sympathy some are extending to the OP here bizarre, and also I think that the OP attempting to blame his actions on a mental illness is pathetic; in attempting to use his mental illness as an excuse for grossly irresponsible/immature behaviour, it is he who is actually making life more difficult for the members of the mentally ill community who do their best to act responsibly.

    Despite knowingly having a mental illness, the OP gets hopped up on goof-balls ('staying up all night tells me it wasn't just pot; was it ice OP?), which was his first mistake.

    He then goes to a new 'job' while still under the influence (instead of just calling in 'sick'), which was his second mistake.

    He then proceeds to drive one of their vehicles while not sober, which was his third mistake. BTW OP, did you smash the vehicle/ nearly smash it? Something tells me you did, but you've kinda side-stepped telling us exactly what happened, so we can only guess.

    His fourth mistake is that he then tries to 'back-pedal' on the whole situation, in a feeble effort to divert blame from himself for his predicament. He blames the employer for actually exposing him to what the job would really be like in the real world (which is in fact the whole point of work placement). He blames the uni for calling him out for committing various crimes while representing them at a work-placement gig they secured for him.

    He then plays the 'I've got a mental illness' card, evidently expecting that it will be seen as a valid excuse for his actions, and endear him to the community. Fifth mistake. Perhaps he has used this as an excuse for stupid behaviour in the past and it has worked; who knows. The fact is, trying to blame your immature/stupid behaviour on your mental illness does a real disservice to people with mental ilnesses who are responsible enough not to take ice/disco-biscuits/whatever it was you took and 'staid up all night' on. Taking 'party drugs' when you have a pre-existing mental illness is like trying to run a marathon with a broken leg; if your brain is already not functioning as it should, knowingly taking a substance for the sole purpose of screwing it up further, is, well… madness.

    Various people point out one or more of the above to him, and he proceeds to accuse them of being intolerant of the mentally ill. Sixth mistake, and quite an insulting/naive sort of attempt at manipulation. It's not about him having a mental illness, it's about the fact that he behaved really stupidly/childishly/dangerously by taking mind-altering party drugs that he knew he was very likely not mentally equipped to handle, by virtue of his mental illness.

    OP: Others above have given you some good advice above, that I would summarise as:

    1. The best you can hope for is credit for the units you've passed so far.
    2. Rethink your career choice, because it seems you're not cut out for the one you've chosen.
    3. Being apologetic in your dealings/communications with the uni, not confrontational, is in your best interests; try to admit to yourself (and the uni) that you have wronged them, not the other way around.

    I would add this advice:

    Given that you are aware that you suffer from a mental condition, don't take any mind-altering substances of any kind in the future; and try to understand that if you do, you absolutely, 100% forfeit the 'right' to attribute anything you do to your 'mental illness'. Because under those circumstances, you have brought the entire series of events on yourself.

  • I assumed you were a doctor, but it doesn't seem to fit with you driving people somewhere. I don't see the harm in revealing the field, but if you are opposed doing this, could you at least give some hints?

    This will go a long way towards people understanding your situation.

  • +5

    TL:DR OP drove under the influence of drugs.

    You'll be lucky if they just kicked you out of school. And just be thankful you didn't kill anyone.

  • +14

    Sounds like OP is dealing with this at Uni in exactly the same way as he did here. I got annoyed as soon as I read that he'd walked out on the faculty lady because she was patronising, when he had a chance to discuss the incident.

    OP, your sense of entitlement annoys me no end, and storming out of meetings is no way to treat the situation. You took illicit drugs and drove, and no matter how high and mighty you act now, what occurred was your decision. The backdoor bragging of how difficult your degree is, the lack of willingness to work hours you deemed unfair in a position you hoped to end up in, and the general behaviour you've displayed on here suggest to me that you would be lucky to still be given credit for the courses you've already completed.

    Change your attitude ASAP and lose your sense of entitlement, or no one will ever want to hire you.

  • +2

    Lol you screwed up.

    I had a case where a particular lecturer was unfair against me and had set me up to fail. It was an open and shut case with the student union, as apparently this guy was well known for doing this.. Something to do with tall poppy syndrome. Being a young student, I was naive and didn't see what was happening until it was too late.

    But being under the influence of a substance while working in a sensitive field - you're lucky you don't have charges brought against you. I don't know your industry, but in aerospace coming to work drunk or high is a one-way ticket to a world of hurt.

    Being a young student, you were probably being naive too, and didn't see the repercussions. You may have been driven to drugs through stress (but in likelyhood, you don't get stressed out at work experience and hit a bong for the first time ever). I have seen grown adults driven to substance abuse through workplace stress. It genuinely happens and is sad when it does. But it is a cop-out.

    None-the-less, your attitude here is speaking volumes that your words aren't. As others have suggested, you'd better get a lawyer, because you will not find sympathy, and by all accounts you have burned every bridge that you have crossed.

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