Andrew jones NEW Atmos speaker system!
EXCLUSIVE TO RIO SOUND AND VISION
Complete DOLBY ATMOS SPEAKER SYSTEM
Pioneer S-FS73A Floor Standing Dolby Atmos Speakers (x2)
Pioneer S-C73A Centre Dolby Atmos Speaker (x1)
Pioneer S-BS73A Bookshelf Speakers (x2)
Pioneer S-MS-3SW 200watts RMS 10" Powered Subwoofer (x1)
More than that if you take into account of the free shipping.
I dont think its as simple as you think. Pioneer set the RRP. They probably found out no one wants to pay $5k for Pioneer stuff.
Then the blew the lot out at well under what the dealer is asking. Even at $2,5k I wouldnt buy a Pioneer setup. A Pioneer receiver with Atmos? Sure. Pioneer speakers? no.
Saying that, Andrew Jones is a respected authority and engineer. I still wouldnt buy their speakers though.
Pioneer speakers are actually pretty great. What you want to avoid are the cheap Pioneer badged ones you get bundled in home theatre systems.
Their pricier ones are world class
All passive speakers have at least 100% markup from distributor sale price to RRP.
Not at $78k. I'd rather B&W Nautilus or Wilson Audio etc.
Electronics manufacturers should stick to electronics.
@tonyjzx: "Nozomu Matsumoto founded Pioneer as an audio products manufacturer in 1938, making speakers in his garage."
Every company has a flowery story on their website. Mr. Toyoda made a car out of tin cans in his garage. I'm not going to buy a Camry any time soon.
You've taken $2500 off the RRP and you're still making a profit?
yea, thats how RRP works, the manufacturer invents some crazy price that no one would ever pay and it makes the item look deceptively cheap when they are sold at the real price.
its a different story with "usually" prices (as in, "usually $5000, now only $2500") where there is laws governing how you are allowed to calculate the "usually" price and you cant simply lie about it….. which is also why salesgrubs dont tend to use it….
tl;dr RRP is bullshit
So these are just speakers using the Dolby Atmos label to trying sound more attractive?
Since what speakers you have has nothing to do with whether you can decode Dolby Atmos or not.
Plus isn't the benefit of Dolby Atmos having sound channels for height? How does that a 5.1 system benefit that?
Nothing against the deal, but the product sort of makes itself redundant.
agreed
Don't know much about atmos, but apparently the mains and surround speakers have extra vertical firing drivers (presume on dedicated channels) to provide the "height" dimension. So it would appear that they are atmos speakers.
Yup, the upwards facing speakers are angled a bit to bounce the sound off the ceiling to the seating position. You need a flat standard-height (2.2-3.0m from memory) ceiling or it won't work properly.
So the front speakers have multiple inputs?
I can potentially see where they're coming from but you'd rather the front height speakers to be more than 2ft higher than the regular fronts.
Edit: Thanks KentT.
They have double binding posts on the back.
Did anyone else read "Andrew Johns" and then try to work out what the joke was?
Its looks more like a 5.1 system to me then a Atmos speaker systems.
It's a 5.4.1 system.
You'll need a fairly pricey receiver too. When you want more than 7 channels amplified prices go way up.
OK, makes sense now. But if doing a proper atmos setup, should one be mounting the speakers on the celling instead of relaying on bouncing and time delay to manipulate the sound? ie. Making some sort of virtual presence system.
Yeah, interesting hey. I agree… if 'Atmos' was truly a serious system then surely every sound source would be discrete and direct and would not have to rely on the room it's installed in. If it's that 'high end' then the people wanting to own it would surely have enough money to treat their dedicated Home Theatre room accordingly. All very interesting but again I can't see this becoming the norm any time soon.
It would be preferable to have in/on-ceiling speakers.
This is the I'm-in-a-rental solution.
The Main towers and the rear bookshelf speakers both have a second pair of seperate speakers on top for reflective ATMOS. These are totally seperate speakers that need a second pair of cables per speaker. These are TRUE Atmos speakers.
Ok, makes more sense now. Thanks.
It'd be nice to have a deal where you chuck in a nice Pioneer Atmos receiver too, as it might make it more attractive to get everything required in one package.
Is this better than BOSE?
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This is all very interesting but lets just see if history repeats ;) Bose released their famous 901s in the early 70s and released a special 'Spatial Receiver' (apparently design & manufactured by Sansui) in the late 70s to take advantage of a hybrid circuit in the 901s to provide a discreet 'spatial' channel, dedicated cabling and all! Very fancy and very 'Bose' but it never took off due to its over-complex design & setup requirements so I wonder if 'Atmos' will go the same way?! Seems to me it's a similar gimmick but I'll never know as I doubt I'll never have the need for a system such as this. Would love to be proven wrong of course ;)
That was fake spatial. This is real spatial. Atmos soundtracks will be created because film makers and theatres want it. There's no real cost in adding it to the Blu-ray release afterwards.
In-home surround sound setup is fairly one-clickish these days, with microphones and automatic adjustments.
Atmos is an actual selling point for high-end receivers. It's MUCH more noticeable going from 5.1 to 5.2.1 Atmos than going from 5.1 to 7.1.
Hmm, OK so what's the definition of 'spatial' then? You know the difference between 'fake spatial' and 'real spatial' so I'd be keen to get the definitions, cheers.
Back then, Bose used normal sound tracks to output a pseudo spatial effect (fake spatial).
This time, movie studios are developing true spatial sound tracks. Atmos has already started to appear in Blu Rays.
Real is created on purpose.
Fake is calculated based on guesswork.
It's the difference between watching a 3D Blu-ray vs. using the 2D-3D conversion feature on your TV. It kind of works, but not really.
For audio, ProLogic surround is fake surround. It's a stereo signal divided up to surround speakers based on a fairly simple algorithm. Real surround audio is created by the audio guys at the mixing table when making the movie. They decide which noise come from behind instead of some algorithm guessing.
Previously they've been mastered to specific channels - you get blu-rays with a 5.1 soundtrack OR a 7.1 soundtrack.
Atmos is more advanced still. Basically each sound has source coordinates. It could be specific, like "helicopter noise at X-Y-Z" or ambient "jungle sounds from above". then the processor divides it out to one or more speakers depending on how many speakers you have AND where they're placed in the room. So there is no 5 channel Atmos track or 7 channel Atmos track - only Atmos. Then the more speakers you have, the more accurate and immersive it will be.
Where this would really shine is in video games. But then I said that about 3D TV as well and that fizzled out spectacularly.
EDIT: Late again. I'm bad at this today.
@KentT: Yeah cool, I completely understand. Discreet channels during the creation/recording/mixing process which are added to the media and decoded or streamed direct through the 'Atmos Certified' gear then sent out to multiple discreet speakers. The more discreet channels and discreet speakers you have the better the immersion. No psychoacoustics required, just multiple discreet channels splattered all over the listening space… and this is where I'd say it will fail. Only the very wealthy are going to have enough dosh to rip their $500k Home Cinemas apart to recable for a proper Atmos fitout. Just too complex for the normal person… but that doesn't stop the engineers continually reinventing the formats ;)
Ahh, sweet 'progress' eh? I always have a chuckle when I sit people down in front of one of my 'traditional' basic 2ch systems and within about 30 seconds I usually get a 'whoa' out of them ;) It's just music of course but the soundstage from a decent yet relatively inexpensive vintage 2 channel system can really be jaw-dropping! I think many have forgotten how good 2 channels can be.
@KentT: Good explanation. Better than I can find anywhere else, because I was trying to find out what the fuss was about.
Will these make my 32" TCL TV sound better?
of course… it will make watching movies on my 13" laptop better as well.
Just make sure it has HDCP 2.2 like the Onkyo's and you are set for many years.
Yeah, until the Onkyo overheats and dies ;) I really hope they've sorted those problems out! I've got a top-end Pioneer on my bench with similar issues all thanks to being designed & manufactured with under-rated components. $30 worth of new Poly Caps in the silly B&O designed ICE Power Amp module and fingers crossed this $2500 beast will last 5-10 years. Problem is it took over an hour just to disassemble the thing to get to the problem so I'm not looking forward to putting it back together, yuk! Buyer beware, added complexity not only greatly increases the purchase price but also increases the failure rate!
So rep, just to confirm, you were actually selling these for $4999 for a period of time before this sale price you are advertising with this great discount? Can u give at least a rounded number of how many you sold for five grand?
has rio got a dolby atmos setup in their showrooms. was there a few months ago(preston) didn't see anything setup?
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You've taken $2500 off the RRP and you're still making a profit? Jesus