Deal #23418: Repeated Infractions by The Store Rep despite Discussions with Mods (Deal Republished See First Post)

leiiv on 20/03/2010 - 01:03
Last edited 20/03/2010 - 15:26 by 3 other users

MOD UPDATE - DEAL is now republished with any voter comment edited out - just to play safe. Mods will discuss this privately and advise affected parties if any further action needed. All comments by all have been noted and thank you. Your opinions do count. As mods we are trying to do the fair thing. BUT we may not always get it right - stay tuned. Ozpete

BTW if you are new to the thread you might want to read all the comments first before jumping it. Its complicated emotional in some cases, but many of the "issues' have some resolution and clarification by all and the mod comments below dont give all the sides for you to consider…

Original start follows

What does it mean by the "infractions"? Will the mods care to explain a bit more about it?
I just saw that page a few minutes ago, and then it suddenly gone. I can't understand why it needs to be censored though..
I am not a logitechshop or BC fanboy, but I just feel something is not right somehow.

mod - **to summarize what happened … and remember, mods are using VOLUNTEER time **

BargainCrypt has been in trouble on this site before. Scotty keeps letting BargainCrypt back, thinking that BargainCrypt will learn from his previous errors where he's tried to mislead the mods or the members of OzBargain.

BargainCrypt was NOT supposed to ask for votes. It's actually in the guidelines for shops. Do NOT ask for votes. BargainCrypt decided to flout that

Scotty decided to let it slide and reminded BargainCrypt not to ask for voting; just talk about your deals

BargainCrypt, for some reason, decided to ask again, knowing full well that would probably get him and his shop put in the bin … AGAIN

BargainCrypt (BC) then contacted Livert and told Livert that OzBargain had kicked BargainCrypt and Logitechshop off the site.

Livert then posted this thread and proceded to attack the mods and also whip up some of the members into a fury

It is regrettable that I thought I was showing some politeness or respect to the store by leaving their deal as unpublished for "repeated infractions by rep despite being asked not to"

It is regrettable that BC didn't share the full story with Livert

It is not known why BC decided to try and get kicked off, when BC is in the middle of offering a number of deals and has hinted that there may be more good deals

That said, if you want to contact BC, you should be able to reach BC at the store to find out:
- what new deals there are
- why BC wanted to try and get kicked off
- why BC risked sending Livert on a disruptive quest to cause trouble for OzBargain and it's members

But at least this time, you'll have a bit more information when you deal with BC than when people thought they'd try and deal with the mods, below.

Note: Mods are volunteers. We are looking at our OWN computers, in our own homes or surfing in NetCafes. The time we give up is in addition to time we spend with our families, friends, doing chores, going out to have some fun, hobbies, work, projects etc.

As such, we haven't had time to try and search the Logitechshop threads for sockpuppets. This has been a matter of consternation for a time.

It should be noted that I accidentally found a sockpuppet in here, trying to whip people up against the mods and to support BargainCrypt. Whether the sockpuppet voted in deals is another question. Whether there are more sockpuppets is another question again.

Anyways, now that the missing details are out, we hope people can understand that:
- BargainCrypt decided to try and get kicked off for whatever reason
- There are some serious issues to do with manipulation, going on here
- You are not being stopped from getting bargains … you can deal with BargainCrypt directly.

MOD Edit (davo): Mods first responce is here: http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/23422#comment-174365

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  • RayEarth on 20/03/2010 - 01:04
    +1

    Agreed - can we have some explanation please? A bit of transparency from the mods would be nice.

    The users have voted on the deals. I don't see any reason why mods should be so heavy handed here, unless users are being misled by BC…

    • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:10

      This is just like what Communist did….China, Vietnam, etc…

      • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 05:51
        +1

        PowerRevolution, during the Communist revolutions, the people were whipped into a frenzy, to decry any who spoke out against them. They targetted, killed and tormented anyone who might question what they were up to (including school teachers) and ripped up and burned that which did not conform to the rules they wanted. Later, many of those fervent supporters would end up, themselves, in work camps, later finally realizing what the ultimate plan had been for them all along.

        But that was during the revolution. The new communist party has officially denounced what happened.

        Now, ask yourself, who is the mob …

        If you are calling the mods the Communist party of revolution times then, consider us trying to be polite, giving up some of our spare time trying to help out the community in general, learning as we go along, and here you come, possibly calling us murderers, torturers and the like

        All because, you are missing a little bit of information like, we asked Bargaincrypt to stop asking for votes, but Bargaincrypt instead decided to do things that would again get him kicked off the website.

      • XyleneFree on 20/03/2010 - 15:06

        Are you saying everyone in China got cheap Guitar Hero peripherals? Darn it. I AM the only one to miss out! ;)

    • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:14

      No one is being misled by anyone here. I have a feeling Scotty doesn't want Logitechshop to have anything to do with OzBargain based on his post here: http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/23366 . I think he (or maybe one of the other mods) are finding any excuse to facilitate this.

      • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:16

        Yeah sad if Scott think that way.
        This site is for BARGAIN so let the majority voters decide

      • leiiv on 20/03/2010 - 01:22

        Let's wait for Scotty to confirm this

      • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 05:56

        Here's the information for Livert.

        Bargaincrypt has been in trouble on this site a number of times.

        Bargaincrypt was told NOT to ask for votes.

        Bargaincrypt knew we were paying attention to his post and decided to ask again for votes, knowing full well this would get him and the store kicked off.

        I don't know why Bargaincrypt wanted to get kicked off.

        Don't talk about us trying to get rid of him. Scotty specifically, is the one who's let him back onto the site, possibly more than once!

        Now you know what's really happened, ask yourself why Bargaincrypt didn't let it slide and instead decided to get himself kicked.

      • scotty on 20/03/2010 - 23:28

        @Livert — you have asked me personally via email and I have replied you with the very reason about how I felt about LogitechShop — more than 2 days ago. Why are you stating here that

        I have a feeling Scotty doesn’t want Logitechshop to have anything to do with OzBargain

        You could have republish what I have emailed you instead. Unless you have other agenda?

        • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 23:46

          I did not get the mentioned email. Checked my inbox again to be sure. Please send it again and I apologise again (refer to one of my posts below).

          Edit: Or you can post it here if you want. Either way.

          Edit 2: I have found the email in my Yahoo mail spam folder. I have no idea what made it appear there. Regrettable as this entire thread would probably have taken a different path.

  • samfisher5986 on 20/03/2010 - 01:05
    +2

    probably bargaincrypt encouraging votes?

    I looked through the thread and didn't see any major issues.

    It seems a little harsh considering how great the deals are and how much effort the company goes to.

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:03

      We thought it looked like the company went to a lot of effort, this time around.

      Compared to the last times he and his store were on here, they've done a great effort and offered very popular bargains.

      I saw Livert's other thread. He has a point. Perhaps when we get time we can remove all that stuff about bargaincrypt asking … again … after being told not to :(

      Think how it would've been better if BargainCrypt hadn't asked … once again … for votes. You guys wouldn't be upset. We would be happy. (One mod was writing in the mod threads, about how all we need to do is tell it to Bargaincrypt again and he will listen)

      Think how disappointing this is for us that BargainCrypt is, once again, doing stuff like this.

  • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:08

    Mods thoughts please.

  • leiiv on 20/03/2010 - 01:09
    +1

    As long as a deal is a deal I don't think it deserves to be banned even though it's encouraging votes. In the end, the decision to give vote is belong to each member, right?

  • moo on 20/03/2010 - 01:09

    Copy & paste of my comment from one of the posts:

    The way I see it, most of the deals actually do not follow a common theme/grouping of products. Given that they are essentially links to where the bargain is and it is non-exclusive to Ozbargain (Eg. no specific coupon code), why couldn’t all these deals be consolidated into 1 giant post?

    Having separate posts for the purpose of increasing vote count, exposure and spam are all uncalled for. Having 1 giant post with links will also give the potential buyer a better idea as to what is available, instead of having to trawl through all the posts/comments. If an item is sold out, then the link could be tagged with (SOLD OUT) next to it.

    • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:12

      And to your response…
      My copy and paste from other thread too

      I preferred 1 small post for the convenience rather than 1 big post 10 pages +

      • moo on 20/03/2010 - 01:16

        Ideally, the OP should be able to update the main post with the links. No need to go through 10+ pages to read through each comment to find the deals. So your argument is flawed. Comments != Main post

        • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:21
          -1

          That's what it call EXCLUSIVE!!! If you don't want it then don't read it simple as that.
          You want people bring the food into your mouth!?!?!?

          • moo on 20/03/2010 - 01:39

            @POWERevolution: Wait, so you are saying that unless deals are posted in the comments section, they aren't exclusive?

            Are you also saying that anyone posted a deal in the main post is 'bringing food to your mouth'? lol.. I am literally having a chuckle..ROFL >:)

      • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:10

        We've tried raising this a couple of times, since members have raised it a number of times. How frequently should a store post?

        If it's too often, we'll get all sorts of non deals, as some people like to post lots of things (possibly even to increase the odds of getting a random prize).

        Generally, the people who are interested in the deals getting posted often, are happy. Others aren't.

        We had an issue with iPhone apps being posted every day and non iPhone apps users were starting to get sick of seeing it.

        You both have points. Often the issue dies down after a week or two though. I think we all need to go to sleep … possibly you guys did hours ago.

    • leiiv on 20/03/2010 - 01:17
      +4

      I think such a situation rises only because of a rep interactively communicate with us. Consider if a store having a deal that starts on a specific date on a certain items. One of the ozbargain member then post that deal. Then a few days later the same shop publish another bargain items. Another member then post that deal. Should we delete the last post? and just update the old one? but what about if the original member that post the old deal does not want to update?

      • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:42
        +3

        a rep interactively communicate with us

        Isn't that a good thing? How many shop willing to fulfill our request? Not many!!!

    • Graphire on 20/03/2010 - 01:19
      +6

      if other dealers could pump out the bargains daily like BC could, they would all get voted up. BC only posts deals in response to user requests, surely you could understand why people vote his deals up consistently, its what users want, and isn't it great bargains like these the reason we come here?

      • moo on 20/03/2010 - 01:23

        No one is disputing the fact that dealers can't pump out deals daily, but rather in a more consolidated manner. The Logitechshop deals currently on OzBargain are all posted within a short period and if added up..it is virtually majority of their inventory! Imagine if Coles started doing that for their weekly specials……

        • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:26

          If they did they won't get as many votes as most of us wont be interested in Coles's deals. The reason Logitechshop is so successful here is due to the fact that BC's bargains here appeal to a huge cohort.

        • Graphire on 20/03/2010 - 01:27

          then no one would vote, when people tire of logitech products, the votes will stop rolling in. Coles could try and if the deals were really at the same caliber as logitechshop, then by all means why not? the users will vote for what they think other ozbargainers want to see on the front page

        • RayEarth on 20/03/2010 - 01:27
          +4

          Mod - multiple/ghost accounts

          Haha - you can't be serious moo. I don't know about you, but 20c off my cabbage probably won't get 200+ votes.

          I could be wrong.

          • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:15

            @RayEarth: It's not that Coles'll get 100 votes

            It's that you'll get maybe 100 or more extra posts a day.

            For some users, that's okay, you can just look at the top 5. Maybe the front page (ie things with +10 votes) will be good too

            However, the bit that supports the front page, where there are people looking at new deals, will suffer and you'll get less people interested in looking at things before getting to the front page. -> less useful deals on the front page.

            That's the issue to do with consolidation. We've had heaps of requests that things like Coles and Woolworths deals from the same brochure be consolidated into one post etc. Imagine if they all had heaps of deals posted (say 20 a week from each sale and brochure) … almost no one would want to wade through that …

  • RayEarth on 20/03/2010 - 01:12
    +3

    mod - ironically sockpuppeting, then claiming the mods aren't transparent …

    This will only discourage BC from posting very very good deals for end users. Whatever you want to say about him, he actually listened to the requests from users here and put up bargains where people wanted them.

    Mods need to seriously think about a more transparent process - otherwise the success of this site will be greatly undermined

    • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:14

      I didn't vote for that deal but I think the mod is over reacted…calm down guys!!!

      He only say vote up guys and as leiiv said

      the decision to give vote is belong to each member, right?

    • RayEarth on 20/03/2010 - 01:18

      mod - sockpuppets don't like to point out that mods need some sleep too

      The WALL of silence from the mods is not exactly helping the matter either.

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:18
      +1

      You guys really don't know that this is volunteer time from the mods … I'm pretty sure it's written on the site …

      PowerRevolution - "calm down guys" from the person calling us a bunch of mass murdering torturers … because BargainCrypt decided that although Scotty told him don't ask for votes, he'd ignore it …
      and get himself kicked off the site … again???

      (Okay, you didn't know that, but it looks rather ironic)

  • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:15
    -1

    MODS YOUR THOUGHTS PLEASE! YES I AM SHOUTING!

    • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 01:22

      Dude! The mods don't have to give you an explanation if they don't want to - it's their site and they can run it how they like. It's pretty obvious that they've been talking to BC and they've not taken this action without warning.

      Also it only happened half an hour ago and on top of that it's 1:20 in the morning!

      • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:23

        One just replied to my PM and I have referred him to this thread.

      • RayEarth on 20/03/2010 - 01:25
        -5

        mod - sockpuppeting

        That's like saying "Dude! The president/prime minister/principal/[insert other leaders here] don’t have to give you an explanation if they don’t want to - its' their country and they can run it how they like."

        It is just me or does something appear fishy or dangerous down that route? I'm thinking of a word…dictatorship maybe?

        • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 01:29
          +1

          I'm guessing you're trolling now but I'll answer anyway :)

          A President/Prime Minister/Principal is elected and works for the people. Ozbargain is a private business and is owned an operated by an individual. There's a big difference.

          • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:22

            @whichtyler: and has volunteers giving up their time, fighting with trollers, spammers, sock puppets, stores trying to deceive the public in general, people asking for assistance, shops rallying mobs and pressuring members to change their vote 'cos they're denying others a chance at a good deal …

            volunteers in the sense that we are giving up some of our own time

        • moo on 20/03/2010 - 01:29

          Um, you are getting a free service. Are you paying for the site hosting costs? web development costs? domain registration costs?

      • leiiv on 20/03/2010 - 01:27
        +5

        Yes it's their site, and the can run it however they like. But isn't this a community driven site where people can post, vote, comment and have a discussion? Please correct me if I am wrong.

        • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 01:31

          Absoultely, and I'm sure they carefully consider the community's responses. In fact, looking at the Bugs/Requests forum it's clear that they actively do so.

      • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:30

        it’s their site and they can run it how they like

        The way you said is just like the Communist run it…just remember we're here as a community.
        The owner site need members and if they lost our trust or bargain then we won't be here.

        • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:30

          I sum it up below, and that was what I wrote first.

          Anyways, yes, you were missing some of the information.

          1. BargainCrypt has been in trouble before. Scotty, specifically, keeps asking us to let BargainCrypt back so he/she can have another shot and hopefully he won't be trying to do anything that is misleading of manipulative of the public
          2. BargainCrypt is not supposed to ask for votes here. I've mentioned it elsewhere, one of the reasons why.

          3. BargainCrypt was told not to, and it was let go at that, on the understanding that BargainCrypt could keep offering deals here

          4. BargainCrypt decided to again ask for more votes and get kicked off, rather than what … continue to offer you guys more bargains of the magnitude that have been offered so far, through this site.

          Maybe BargainCrypt wants you guys to go contact him, so you can be part of an exclusive club or something.

          You can still get your regular bargains here and BargainCrypt can have his/her own little following that we won't be regulating in anyway.

  • zango_tango_007 on 20/03/2010 - 01:17
    -1

    WTS WRONG WITH THE MODS….

  • life is a little cr… on 20/03/2010 - 01:24

    do we have any answers yet what is happening?

  • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:25

    Just coz of few complaints and we're all miss out the real bargain. :(

    • herbie_ford on 20/03/2010 - 01:30

      Yep agree 100% someone whinges About something so stupid not hard to scroll past that deal it's should take a fraction of a second

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:31

      No … just because BargainCrypt decided he'd rather not offer you any more bargains.

      It wasn't, someone complains, kick BargainCrypt off.

      It was, advise BargainCrypt not to do something. BargainCrypt knows he will probably get kicked off if he asks for votes. BargainCrypt decides to go with asking for more votes … to get himself kicked off again???

  • samboy on 20/03/2010 - 01:27

    bring back the bargains

    • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 01:44

      They've gone nowhere. They are listed in the other deal and they're available on the website.

  • herbie_ford on 20/03/2010 - 01:27

    If this is deleted so should most the coles, woolies & DSE post they seem to come up daily does that mean it should be put in a giant 1 post and always updated?
    I want ease of use not having to search to find the new deal. If it gets to the front page it deserves it

    • moo on 20/03/2010 - 01:32

      Don't take the words literally. Use some common sense and discretion. If deals are posted within a space of couple of hours or maybe days, then consolidating it would be wise. If weekly, then a new post would be more appropriate. There is no hard rule on this, use some common sense and place your judgment accordingly.

      In this case, the deals are all posted within a short time of each other, some even have new posts on the same day!

      • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:34
        +2

        If people get sick of it then it will not be voted up. Let the users decide is all I'm saying.

        • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:36

          You do realize Moo is also a user.

          Moo is also not the only user. You and the others voting for the deal are not the only users.

          There are many different groups.

          In practice, we've been fine for now, with 1 post a day from BargainCrypt (possibly 2 one day).

          If you've been following Logitechshop's deals, then you know that. Though we were looking at the issue.

          While it's okay-ish when just one or two shops post every day, it becomes a problem when every shop wants to post every day.

      • herbie_ford on 20/03/2010 - 01:37

        I agree that there shouldn't more then 1 posted a day but should be alouwed to post a new deal for a new day.
        Also will be hard for mods to update the deal if the poster isn't online more work

      • leiiv on 20/03/2010 - 01:38
        +1

        If that is the case, there is nothing wrong with more explanation on the deletion reason, instead just saying "repeated infractions"

        • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:37

          good point. I thought it was respectful towards BargainCrypt to leave it at repeated infractions by the rep, but it left a lot of you extremely concerned.

    • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 01:35

      The deals worth voting for don't come up daily, most just fade away without enough votes to get onto the main page. When Domino's deals were being posted pretty much daily the wiki was set up allowing for people to post the codes and that worked out fairly well.

      • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:45

        The decision to do that was probably not the best one either.

  • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:32
    +7

    Let's keep the discussion focussed on why the deal was unpublished. I just wish the mods would explain their position.

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:39
      +1

      This time I happened to still be awake, but busy with my own projects.

      As you didn't seem to understand, this is volunteer time.

      In addition to combing OzBargain for bargains for myself, my hobbies, projects, family, friends, extra requirements of work … we then come along and put in some time being mods.

  • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 01:41

    As the store rep already outlined the deal here http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/23322/174057 it's technically a dupe :)

    • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:44

      BC wanted it published as a new deal. And that's exactly what they all were. New deals, new post.

  • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:48
    +2

    I just received word from BC through an email that he has been banned and can't even post comments. He's extremely disappointed. Looks like that's the end of the deals here people. Happy now Scotty?

    • Graphire on 20/03/2010 - 01:50
      +2

      wow… that's just low…

    • setis on 20/03/2010 - 01:50
      +1

      note - ironically setis is a sockpuppet

      I'm sure some of the competitors posting on this thread are happy….

      • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:54

        But we all miss out the bargain! :(

        Edit: who care about competitions… all i care is real bargain!!!

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:42
      +1

      BC neglected to mention that Scotty told him not to ask for more votes.

      BC neglected to mention that it was BargainCrypt who decided to get himself kicked off.

      You do realize that you are being manipulated, right?

      … that is extremely disappointing …

  • life is a little cr… on 20/03/2010 - 01:51

    oh my gosh Livert I cant believe he is banned this is Unbelievable….words escape me..

  • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 01:55

    None of the mods are online now. Guess they have no intention to say anything. Tonight at least.

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:45
      +1

      You've been fighting awfully hard and throwing around an awful lot of accusations, plus you've been acting as BC's right hand in this manipulation of the OzB crowd.

      Perhaps you should step back and think twice before you post your next comment … ?

      • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 09:07
        +1

        I am not trying to manipulate anyone. I do not act as anyone's right hand man. I have read all your comments here and agree with the use of sockpuppets but disagree on other points. I will mention those in a post below.

  • herbie_ford on 20/03/2010 - 01:56
  • Elephant on 20/03/2010 - 01:56
    +1

    Um…so if bargains can't be posted on this site, then what does that make this site?

    • RayEarth on 20/03/2010 - 01:58

      mod - sockpuppeting

      Hopefully we'll hear more from the mods tomorrow

    • setis on 20/03/2010 - 02:00

      note - setis is a sockpuppet

      As some of the users have tried to assert on this thread, this is a private site and the mods can do whatever they want - just don't get misled by the name of the site! ;)

      • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 02:01

        By doing thing like this they lose credibility.

      • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 06:46

        Oh my goodness. And setis is a sockpuppet for RayEarth, manipulating the members here for BargainCrypt's benefit!

        This is one of the big concerns. We are volunteers and have limited resources. Suddenly, Logitechshop is able to whip up nearly 400 votes when deals haven't gotten anywhere near that high in ages.

        We had suspicions that there was sockpuppeting going on, but not the resources to look into it properly, soon.

        Not sure what else we might turn up when we actually can go through the voting on Logitechshop.

    • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 02:01
      +2

      The bargains are still available. They're still for sale on logitechshop's website. They're still listed on this website, just not in their own deal. It's not like anyone's told you you're not allowed to purchase.

      • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 02:04

        It won't be for long if the mods not act soon. They can pull it off anytime.

        • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 02:06

          Yes, but they haven't have they? They've allowed the bargains to stay, just not where they were before.

        • setis on 20/03/2010 - 02:07

          note - setis is a sockpuppet

          Meaning they aren't as low as the mods here?

      • setis on 20/03/2010 - 02:04

        note - setis is a sockpuppet

        I thin what others are trying to say that this will disincentivise BC from posting deals (including on his own website) in the future - hence all of us loses out.

        Anyway - sleep time!

        • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 02:18
          +1

          That's fair enough, but in that situation he would only be spiting himself. If he wants to put the excellent deals he has been doing on his own site, people will buy them whether they are listed on OzBargain or not. I think the one thing we can agree on is that everyone is now aware of logitechshop and the fact they they have crazy deals with unbeatable prices.

          The fact of the matter is that the mods appear to have had an issue with the way the deals have been posted recently and there's good indications that they have spoken to BC about it. As I've said before it's a privately run site (albeit community centred) and the mods are free to run it as they see fit. There are posting guides in place for a reason and these include a limit on the number of deals for any one given store / rep. Whilst BC hasn't broken the limit of posts per rep, he has been directly asking other users to create new deals which is as good as. OzBargain is an excellent site and I feel that part of that is down to the work which the mods do and the rules which are in place. It's also worth remembering that the rules are often open for discussion in the forums before they are implemented. BC has openly discussed the huge number of sales Ozbargain has generated for him and (as far as we know) he hasn't paid for one cent of advertising. If I was in that situation and the mods made a reasonable request that I change the way my deals were being posted, I would sure as hell comply.

          Now, unless the mods chose to speak out (and again, there's no obligation for them to do so), we don't know what has been said and done in private. A lot of what is being discussed is pure speculation. I personally hope that the mods will add to the discussion and I also hope that logitechshop are able to continue to post their deals in a manner that satisfies the community but is acceptable to the owners/mods of the site.

          • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 02:30

            @whichtyler: I want the mods to clarify whether there has indeed been discussions happening with BC in the background to cause all of this.

            Regarding your comment on people will buy stuff whether they are listed or not is not true as I'm sure he relies heavily on the volume of sales generated by OzBargain to allow such insane deals to be feasible.

            • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 02:38

              @Livert: The title of this thread (the reason the deal was removed) states "despite discussions with mods" so I think it is reasonable to assume that there have been discussions.

              I’m sure he relies heavily on the volume of sales generated by OzBargain to allow such insane deals to be feasible.

              That's a good point - I'm sure that the volume aspect does play apart. If so then it only reinforces my point about playing by the rules and wanting to make sure that the mods are happy.

  • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 01:58

    I think mods are on invisible mode

  • life is a little cr… on 20/03/2010 - 01:58

    mine too herbie_ford…whoops just realised I put it in the other thread….

  • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 02:00

    Just noticed BC just disappeared from the top users list. He was at No 2.

  • Creamsoda on 20/03/2010 - 02:03
    -1

    logitec not paying enough advertising fee?

    • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 02:09

      BC had mentioned his shop want to sponsor for prize but not sure how it go…

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 07:21

      Hopefully with the updated information at the top of this thread, you will reconsider that slur you just made.

      Especially since it's Scotty who keeps letting BargainCrypt back and BargainCrypt who keeps causing trouble and attempts to manipulate the masses.

  • whitey on 20/03/2010 - 02:06
    +2

    Each item Logitech Shop sells usually gets stacks of questions and discussion regarding the product.
    Imagine the shamozzle we would have if all his deals were in one post??
    Get real Mods.

    • Elephant on 20/03/2010 - 02:09
      +1

      There's 2578 comments between the top 5 deals at the moment.

      That'd be lots of fun to trawl through to find the piece of info you need if it was in one post o_O

      • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 02:12

        The great thing about it is because of the popularity of the posts, an answer is never far away if you ask. No need to go through the entire thread(s).

  • POWERevolution on 20/03/2010 - 02:17

    Goodnight folks! It's a sad night for our community. :(

    • Crownie on 20/03/2010 - 02:40

      It's not really "our community".
      More like Scotty's and the mods.

  • Livert on 20/03/2010 - 02:21

    Okay before I call it a night I will list a few things that I'm sure people here want explained.

    1. Why the post was pulled. If it was because of that comment that BC made (back to shipping . boss is calling , ill come and check vote up +++++++), WHY NOT JUST DELETE HIS COMMENT WITH A WARNING? Why penalise all of us by deleting the entire post?

    2. Do the mods have any intention of unbanning BC? and what has he done so far to deserve this?

    • whichtyler on 20/03/2010 - 02:31

      His profile is listed as "In Penalty Box". This usually refers to a temporary "time-out" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_box). Nothing would indicate that there's a permanent ban at this stage. I'm sure that the mods will discuss the matter within due course. It is 2.30am after all! (That means off to bed for me as well - night all)

    • SomeGuyOnOzB on 20/03/2010 - 07:24

      You now have your answers … you've been fighting very hard for someone who, though gave you great deals, then manipulated you to fight a fight that they started and decided they wanted to keep on with … through you?

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