Need Advice about Buying Second Hand Car

I live in sydney and am after a prius i tech.

There isnt that many cars of the model and year I am after(2009-2010).

Anyway I found a used car dealer in hobart who has that car and hes offered me nearly the price I wanted.

Its on gumtree and he has a provider number.

I have had multiple phone conversations and hes sent me alot of photos.

He has a website and everything and hes quite old (I can tell by his voice and difficulty sending emails).

Anyway my plan is to drive my car (which is old) and meet him in melbourne and exchange cars, only I have to pay the deposit first.

But thats not until tomorrow as he has to talk to the freight person to get the car over the bass strait on monday.

The situation feels safe but because I have never met him etc I am slightly worried.

Any advice, suggestions you can think of?

Comments

  • +2

    are you meeting face to face?
    how are you paying deposit?
    how are you paying balance?
    is it on carsales as well as gumtree?
    is he LMCT?
    what's the rego?
    HAVE YOU HAD IT PROFESSIONALLY INSPECTED?

    • meeting face to face
      I will pay the deposit tomorrw, I think it will be to a bank account under his business name but i dont know yet.
      Ill pay the balance by bank check.
      its not on car sales but hes got alot of cars on gumtree and a provider number.
      whats LCMT?
      rego is 3 months but I would have to change to NSW when I get back.
      No, its a dealer, my understanding is that if a car is less then 10 years old or less then 150,000kms the dealers have to guarantee its road worthiness for an amount of time?

      • 3 months warranty from a registered dealer.

      • My 2C, if the dealer is located in diff city than yours, in your case, it's a diff state, I wouldn't recommend to buy it even though it comes with 3 months dealer warranty as in case of any problem within 3 months, dealer will ask you to come to his yard unless you are prepared for it.

        I have had a very nasty experience recently and bitten once already, please see my post: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/238464.

        Hope it helps you to make a decision.

        I would stay away even though the car price is attractive but its your call.

        • I purchased a vehicle from VIC, I'm in NSW, and the terms of the contract: in the event the car has a fault during the warranty period, AT THE DEALER'S EXPENSE, they'll arrange for the vehicle to be taken to a place to be made good or repaired.

          Devil lies in the details ultimately.

  • +1

    well i looked up the business and its registered on the ABN website, its also got a white pages and its under the person who I have been talking toos name.
    SO what is a LMCT?

    • +1

      ok so I checked out his LMCT which is current.

    • +2

      LMCT = Licensed Motor Car Trader

      Anyone of buys, sells or exchanges more than four motor cars in a 12 month period is defined as a motor car trader in Victoria, and requires a license to do so.

      Dealer is in Tasmania = Motor Vehicle Trader Licence

      http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/licensing_and_accreditation/mo…

  • post a link to the car

    the silver one or the white one?

    what price he offering?

    what about the professional inspection?
    how long does a prius battery last?

    have you read this?
    ALL OF IT?
    http://www.consumer.tas.gov.au/fair_trading/motor_vehicles

    does it have/have you seen the Pre-sale Disclosure Statement ?

    CHECK OUT THE STATUTORY WARRANTY - they are different for each state. Tas is <120000k's and <7yrs old

  • +1

    if he has to talk to the freight person, then he's not meeting you? or am i missing something?

  • http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/glebe/cars-vans-utes/2009-toy…

    I think freight is about sending it across the bass strait, hes going to meet me in melbourne but cant tell me a date until he finds out when he can get the car across.

    The battery lasts along time, I have checked this out its like around 8 to 10 yrs for taxis.

    I have not seen any disclosure statment. Should I ask for this?

    • +4

      Just reminding you about the maths… If its 2009, and its 2016 now. That means 7 years has passed. If you say the battery lasts 8-10 years, thats only 1 year left.

      Also, Spackbase has posted a link for a 2013 prius i for the same price. Look below.

  • +5

    this one's newer, cheaper and lower k's

    http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/moonah/cars-vans-utes/2011-to…

    don't take this the wrong way, but if you are spending thousands of dollars and you don't know what paperwork you should have, let alone haven't looked at all of it, then you are a fool

    DO NOT RUSH INTO BUYING A CAR

    THERE ARE THOUSANDS OUT THERE

    From what I see, I think you are making a big mistake buying that silver one……

    • thats not an i tech…. thats why I looking interstate. I have not brought a car in more then 10 years.

      also the price i am gotten with him is 16.5k. which is nearly what I wanted to pay.

      • +10

        ok - my bad - i don't know Prii !

        but all my other comments stand

        that car is already 7 years old - battery due soon !

        he has already dropped $3.5k (17.5%) - WHY ? he must be desperate to get rid of it

        mate, it is clear you have set your heart on that particular car - THAT IS A FATAL FLAW

        they are just lumps of metal

        there will be another along. if not this week, then next week or the week after

        you are making a mistake IMO

        for $16.5k you can buy a brand new car, on the road, 1 yr rego, full tank of gas, $500 fuel voucher (or BBQ) AND 7 years warranty and STILL HAVE $3000 in your pocket, rather than a 7 year old car that will need significant maintenance in the next few years…….why would you?

        • Ok, I'll take your advice, just been looking for 1 month for a car to come up.

          Also I have been talking to him for 2 weeks and got the price to this after multiple conversations.

          I guess since TAS is only 7 yrs not 10 like NSW then its nearly outside the time.

        • I am really sold on the prius i tech, I generally keep my cars for along time… just my budget is the problem and I have met 2 private sellers that tried to scam me already so was looking for a dealer.

        • @Shanda:

          ok cool, WHY are you sold on the i tech?

        • +2

          @Shanda:

          how did they try and scam you?

          and why do you think a dealer won't try EXACTLY the same thing

          they have years of scamming other people… !

        • Its got alot of functions not found in the standard, leather seats, heated as well, solar powered air con, LED lights, just alot more then the standard.
          Also was hoping for a GEN 3 prius and the late 2009 2010 model is the cheapest one avaliable.

        • +3

          well, theres a guy whos 'in the army' and unable to use a phone about to 'be deployed' and will send the car thru DHL and you pay when it arrives to DHL. If not happy can refund the car back.

        • -2

          @Shanda:

          HA !

          why the Prius?

          do like ugly slow old cars?

          heated seats…you're in NSW not Tas
          solar AC - read up a bit more about that, it's not what it seems

          kidding! there are lots of cars with all those things, for less money and younger and without a new $4000 battery on the horizon

          what is your total budget, remember transfer and on road costs ?

        • -1

          I only wanted to spend $15k not including transfer and rego.
          but I realised that is impossible and put my budget up to $16k.
          I dont need a fast car. The prius is good for city driving and I wanted a car with extras this time round.

        • -1

          @Shanda:

          well, theres a guy whos 'in the army' and unable to use a phone about to 'be deployed' and will send the car thru DHL and you pay when it arrives to DHL. If not happy can refund the car back.

          And you bought that??

        • +1

          @knick007:
          no thats the scammer.

        • @Shanda: "Bought that" As in you believed him?

        • +1

          @knick007: of course not. He was trying to scam me. I only played him along for 1 week saying the same thing over and over.
          As soon as I couldnt contact him or get the car viewed i got the hebegebes.

        • +2

          @Shanda:
          And you think a dealer would be 100% honest?
          You shouldn't buy any second hand car that hasn't been thoroughly inspected first.
          If you aren't up to it then pay someone who is, there are lots of car inspection agents around who can provide the service.
          I could list many cases of people I know of that regretted not doing this.

        • +2

          @Shanda:
          TBH if youre keeping cars for a long time, dont take any hybrids. Especially an earlier gen one like the one youre looking at.

        • -1

          @Shanda:
          In that case get a Toyota Corolla or a Honda Civic. Can't go wrong new or second hand. They have luxury variants if that's really that important to you.

        • +3

          @OBone:
          Completely agree, there is a strategy buying from dealers. You go in cold when they don't expect you, and never ever tell them you are interstate until you get a final price and sign off(they will smell the desperation). Once you get a price from them, they get all your details, do the whole spiel, politely say that you are still interested but not at that price…and then you walk out. They always call you back. When I hear dealer I immediately think the car is worth about $5000 less and that I need to try and recoup that profit into my pocket.

          Saying you'll give a deposit before you've even seen the car is being scammed. I had a dealer in Robina attempt that try to get a deposit on a car I had never seen, I did the walk. By the time he had called me back I'd already got a better car $3000 cheaper at another dealer.

        • -1

          @oscargamer: Once you go leather you will never go back to cloth seats! Easy to clean and the hot/cold stuff is rubbish is the car has Climate control.

        • +2

          @Bargainz: I've had leather, went back to cloth.

          Don't get them dirty you'll be fine. You'll require leather conditioner on the seats anyway or they'll crack.

        • +1

          @Shanda: Dont touch Hybrids/electric cars unless your willing to drop a few thousand $$ on new battery packs. Would be cheaper over the long run to get something like s Suzuki Swift ($8000 range for low km) or Toyota Corolla (probably same cost as that $15k Prius minus the battery issues in the future). FYI - I purchsed a 2nd hand Mitsu Outlander $15k that was 4 years old at the time still with 1 year left on warranty, done 67k's. Got everything fixed under warranty before it expired :) but took a few months of searching to get a good deal.

        • @Shanda: hehe this "guy" wants to buy and sell every car on the planet. Have had "him" contact me twice already for two cars.

        • +2

          @darkage:
          We just sold our swift glx with 40000km for just under 12k, and that was the cheapest online by a decent margin (though i guess base model is cheaper )

          But i do agree with everything you're saying :)
          I think it's a massive risk buying early gen hybrid that will very likely need battery at least! Sucks when you've got your heart set on something

        • @wozz:

          Yeah, resale on Swift is insane (Suzuki salesperson here). I love telling people to go look at the used car market for them, they're generally shocked lol

      • If you want the I tech and you've made an informed choice then go for it… But… Be wary that a deposit is typically non refundable if you change your mind. I would definitely make any deposit subject to your inspection being satisfactory and I would say subject to approval by a friend of yours. Easy way out.

        Also, hybrid batteries tend to degrade after 8 years, I would want to confirm the battery pack had been replaced or at least budget for a replacement.

  • +9

    Any advice, suggestions you can think of?

    Yeah, DON'T DO IT!!!

    Wait & buy one you've thoroughly checked out from a local dealer…if you do not listen to all of the sage advice oscargamer has already given you, then you are setting yourself up for a world of hurt IMHO.

    • so why is oscargamer being negged? :p

  • +4

    Freight person? He'll be going on the spirit of Tasmania. All he needs is a return ticket….

    My advice? DO NOT pay anything tomorrow…

    Call him and say I've been speaking with some friends who say I should get the car inspected. - Why haven't you done this??

    The RACT will do this for you - http://www.ract.com.au/Pages/Vehicle-inspections.aspx

    Maybe you even need Toyota out to check the condition of the batteries.

    I just don't understand why you would want a Prius. They are the most horrid cars. The batteries need replacing at what 8 or something years and that is something like $3000.

    You could get a Mazda 2 BRAND NEW for $16K easy. I reckon you could walk into a Mazda dealer tomorrow morning and drive off in a brand new car.

    The people who drive a Prius seem to be the same people who do 80 on the freeway because it is "safer" even though the limit is 100.

    I right in thinking you are after a well equiped car for around $16,000 ?

    • yes I want a efficent car with extras.

      I havent brought a car in 10 years+ and cant remember exactly how it goes, but I researched abit and found out if its less then 10yrs or 150,000km that the dealer has a guarantee for 3months waranty.

      ocscar explained to me that tasmania is different but I did not know that.

      • +6

        Stat warranty isn't bumper to bumper. Don't be confused about this! It's a very, very limited warranty! Hell it doesn't even include the battery in a normal car, let alone the batteries in the hybrid.

        • Ok so it doesnt matter were I buy it, i should get the inspection done? ok thanks for explaining.

        • +5

          @Shanda:

          Definitely get it inspected before handing over money

  • +17

    I know you pm-ed asking my advice, and mine would reflect on the other stuff mentioned on here. Avoid the purchase if you can! The only time I'd recommend such a purchase would be something special, like some sort of Jap import or special Euro car. Not a high mileage Prius!

    Find something you can buy locally that ticks most of the boxes.

    And don't be concerned about a hybrid car. Most, if not all midsize cars will get under 10L/100km, and at current fuel prices that's really not a big dent to the wallet

    • +12

      OP, if you're going to listen to anyone, make it ^this guy^…aside from the fact that he corroborates the other good advice you've already been given, he (verifiably) does this for a living; I might not necessarily agree with what Spackbace says on every topic, but he knows his shit when it comes to car sales!!!

      • +4

        Aww shucks thanks :)

  • -3

    Ok guys I have a plan for tomorrow thanks to all the advice.

    firstly I will call the RACT and book an inspection.

    After that I will decide.

    If I need more advice I'll ask again :D

    • +10

      OMG…..he still doesn't get it

      you can lead a horse to water……..

      • +1

        I get it, you dont think I should buy a hybrid car, thats ok.

        but I know what I want to buy, I have learnt alot from you guys already and its been extremely helpful.

        But I know what car I want, its a hybrid, its fuel efficent and its got what I want.

        Anyway I wont buy any car, from dealer or private without inspection.

        Theres no close cars for the price I want near my area.

        Otherwise the choice is a private seller - also interstate.

        Anyway I am really thankful in all the information you and everyone has offered, its made me change my plan of action and I appricate it.

        I didnt even know how to check/ what it was about LMCT.

        So I am really thankful :)

        • +9

          We all hope it goes well for you, but those of us with plenty of experience have seen these kind of deals go tits-up far too frequently, and with monotonous regularity…I'm sure we all genuinely hope that we are wrong, but I can't see this ending well for you either.

          Please don't make your next post seeking advice be about how to get recourse over this deal going sour…

  • +1

    2011 here in WA for $20k
    2013 in Tas for $20k

    I fear you're overpaying for that 2009, if you really have to have a Prius! That 2013 blows the 2009 out of the water, and it's in the same state!

    • The 2013 link goes back to the 2011 car.

      • +1

        2013 in Tas for $20k

        Can't edit the comment now lol

        OP how much research have you really done? $16-17k for a 2009, 70,000kms, on Gumtree from a wholesaler, or $20k for a 2013 with 17,000kms from a major dealership. I know which one I'd prefer!
        Coming from the same state too!

        • Wow just had a look at this one and yeah, the value is so much more in this one. Kinda surprised at the lowish k's, but then Tassie is quite small.

        • +1

          Hi I see that one, but its a prius C. That why the price is like that.

        • -2

          @Shanda:
          Did anyone ever tell you that a new car (with a newer engine) is going to be more efficient to run?

          Higher fuel efficiency, etc.
          Also, engines lose around 5% of its power each year.

          In any case, why not the 2011 then?

        • +1

          @ATangk: LOL 5% each year? So by that generic logic a 20year old car will no longer move?

        • -2

          @Bargainz:
          No, try to do it like compound interest.

        • +2

          No, they really don't, have put my 15 year old levin (at the time) on the Dyno, figures were within 10% of factory specified output, and with consideration to drive train loss as factory calculates it at the fly whereas dyno is at wheels.

        • +1

          @ATangk:

          Also, engines lose around 5% of its power each year.

          LOL are you for real?

        • @Serapis:
          Mine doesn't, I have some neato fuel pills which actually increase mileage AND power… incidentally, I happen to be an agent for them (for a really good read, take a look at Fire Power- I knew a guy that took this hook, line and sinker).

        • @Bargainz: lol negative. 5 percent off 100 may be 5, but 5 off 95 is not 5. By that theory it will never stop moving.

        • @derk: lol false. If the car loses power like that, eventually the drag exerted on car due to aerodynamics + friction + drive train power loss + the mass of the car and driver will counteract the power required to move it and therefore the car cannot move (I haven't actually done physics / engineering since high school but remember a bit :P).

        • +1

          @Serapis: I am not arging how cars lose power, I am arguing the maths. If you consistently lose 5 percent of something, mathematically you will never reach zero.

        • @derk:

          Yeah i know, power as a function of y=1/x where y approaches but never reaches zero and all, but it just sorta bothered the engineering side of me that other factors weren't taken into account like powertrain energy loss, friction and aerodynamic drag … nvm me I'm crazy =P

  • +2

    I'm not against you buying a hybrid car, heck great for environment go you (thought it not going to be cost effective as there are far cheaper running cars). Make sure you really know what you are getting into. The hybrid battery pack is at least half gone on a 2010 Prius that's a $4000 cost in the next 5 years guaranteed. I just had an engine replaced for $2500 in a car I've had for 7 years.. I can't imagine buying a car where I knew I was going to spend thousands on in the near future, not to mention all the niggly second hand surprises that you'll come across.

    If you add up all the likely extra costs over the lifespan of the car you'd be better of with something like this 2015 Prius still under warranty with capped price servicing: http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Toyota-Prius-2015…

  • The Gen II Prius built from 2004-2009. To make a long story short, it looks like mileage isn't the primary factor in hybrid battery wear. It appears to be age and environment. From personal experience and from research, if you live in a warm, humid climate (I live in the Southeastern United States) and park your Prius outside of the garage, you can expect to have the HV battery fail after about 8 years regardless of mileage.

    If you are in the market for a used Prius, make sure you find out if the HV battery has been replaced with a new battery before you purchase. If not, make sure you factor this into the price you pay for the car. However, if you already have a Prius approaching 8 years old, you may want to consider buying a remanufactured battery and installing it yourself. This is the route I chose for my Prius and below is a video of my installation. This ended up costing around $1800 and the equivalent of a half day of labor.

    http://mapawatt.com/2012/11/07/toyota-prius-how-long-will-my…

    • Hi, I am not buying a gen 2, I am going after a gen 3 (late 2009-2010 model).

      Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

  • +1

    I bought a 2nd hand Prius, base model, an 04 model in 07. No prob with the battery it's still the original, in fact lots of cabbies have switched to Prius as they are cheap to maintain and cheap to run. No fuel wasted during idle. The car has no special servicing requirements and is cheap think 200-300 bucks every 10000km and the interior is quite spacious for its size. Can get from Sydney to Gold Coast on 1 tank. Fuel economy is about 20km/l and my model uses regular unleaded. I recommend this car. Don't buy if you plan on towing anything.

    • Thanks alot, appricate your infos, no plans to tow anything.

    • +3

      Suzuki Vitara auto - averages 6L/100km (so will only cost you about $1/100km extra), servicing is $249-$295 every 6 months/10,000km. So the same as the Prius.

      Now that's a pure petrol car. Tell me again why you need an overpriced hybrid?

      • I am not going to go off topic as to why I want a prius.
        But thanks anyway for checking about the suzuki vitara. I had a quick look but its not the car for me.

  • Just bought a Car interstate from a dealer

    I test drove it for 15 mins while I was in Melb after doing a $500 deposit.

    It shipped up and arrived on my doorstep

    It's now registered in QLD and has been superb

    Just make sure the car is legit and the dealer checks out

  • +5

    Make sure the car hasn't been used for hooning, ie drifting or high speed launches.

    ;)

    • +1

      No danger of that in a prius. Although I couldn't say about doughies with the rear wheels locked onto maccas trays

      • lol still doubt it can make the power…

        • I used to do it in an old kb laser.. So much in fact that the local maccas stopped giving me and the boys trays.

          Ahh, the joys of a misspent youth.

        • @airzone: not really mispent if you have fond memories

      • Don't underestimate the Prius.

        Put that baby into reverse and you're practically a RWD. Donuts all night long. You won't even wake the neighbours up.

  • +1

    Feels a lot like one of these types of scams:

    http://www.carsguide.com.au/about-carsguide/guide-to-scams-f…

    A car will be offered for sale at well below the ordinary selling price. When contacted, the seller will advise that either the seller or the vehicle is located overseas or interstate and will ask for an up-front deposit without allowing the buyer to view the car and its condition or research its history. Once the up-front deposit has been paid, the fake seller disappears and the potential buyer has been scammed.

    Even if it's not I would be concerned about buying a car without inspecting it first

  • +2

    OP, If you were a friend/family member, I'd probably be steering you to something like a Mazda 3, and the SP25 looks like it suits your requirements of having all the extras
    Carsales Search here

    Push-Button start, GPS, optional sunroof in some. Reliable cars and newer than what you're looking, and available in your own state!

    • @spackbace : Don't worry too much about OP. It looks like he/she made up his/her mind to buy Prius itech regardless of the advice here. I'm waiting for his next followup post whatever the outcome may be. Let's just hope everything works out well for him/her.

  • I would just wait for one to turn up locally. I have sold cars interstate before and one might have even been on gumtree, I cringe at the fact that people are so trusting. Both cars were just over 20k.

    • I have contact that seller multiple times, they dont answer. They also only had the post up for 1 day and dropped the price from 17000 within 8 hours of posting. Its suspious in the fact they don,t answer email, text or when I ring that it goes to auto voice msg :(
      I looked up the number plate and its a real car, but thats all the info I have.
      I have tried to ring them about 8 times, sent 2 emails and 1 text.

        • I already checked that car before and car has quite high kms and seller doesnt have logbook.
          seller can't provide any evidence to look after actually.

      • How about visiting the dealer?

        • I rang more than 30 different dealers around sydney with no luck.

        • +2

          @Shanda: Is it time for a reassessment of your expectations then?

          I could want to find a Porsche for $100 and search high and low but it's simply unrealistic to expect your going to find what you want for the price you want to get it for.

          If you have your heart set on the Tassie car then by all means take a gamble, but as many have pointed out it is a massive risk when you could probably get an equivalent car without the risk for only a few thousand more.

  • +8

    Buying a car sight unseen is highly inadvisable.

    Putting down a deposit before you know what you're getting or who you're dealing with is worse.

  • +1

    I …… am after a prius i tech.

    ROTFLMFAO. Why, for God's sake?

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