Evolveair Bathroom Essentials 3 in 1 Bathroom Heater White EVH4W
4 x 275 Watt infrared heat lamps
100 Watt Incandesent light
Side Ducted exhaust for steam and fumes exraction
1 x 1.5m Duct Kit, 1 x Four Switch Wall Plate
Must be installed by a licensed electrician. (hahaha)
It's $50 bucks off but the FAN is only 119m\hr…..IXL and HMP is 392m\hr
A ceiling exhaust fan is 500m\hr!
I think it is a good price. Usually those lightbulbs alone cost about $8 each! However, the motor specs look a bit weak. It may not be moving air out fast enough.
Laugh it up about using a licensed electrician, then when you get all the switch wires mixed up in the light fitting you can give me a call ;)
The haha is because I don't think Masters is serious. They are forced to say that, but know their market is DIYers.
People hiring an electrician would be better paying extra for a brand-name product, as you don't want to be paying for a return visit.
Yeah you're right. I turned up to do a kitchen the other day and the "builder" provided all of the gear from Bunnings. I wouldn't put that in someones house if I hated them. The quality is just not good enough. Masters sell stuff that diy people shouldn't get access to as well, like switch board components. That's how you burn a house down.
Masters sell stuff that diy people shouldn't get access to as well, like switch board components. That's how you burn a house down.
Yet other countries that allow consumers to perform electrical work have lower fatalities than Australia and other countries have much larger ranges of electrical products available in hardware stores like Latvia with even switchboards available and Germany with similar ranges.
This country really needs less bureaucracy and red tape as it's already so inefficient compared to other countries.
@Maverick-au: Have you got the statistics on electrical fatalities in Australia compared to other countries? If you'd seen some of the DIY stuff I'd seen you'd be more careful with what you were saying. This DIY stuff has killed unsuspecting electricians when they go to inspect it which obviously badly represents the statistics. Also, using Latvia as an example, their life expectancy is 10 years lower than Australia. I can assure you, their workplace and regular fatality rate is higher than ours, which is why their life expectancy is significantly lower than ours.
But the most pressing issue is not that people get electrocuted it's that they burn their houses down. It happens all the time. This doesn't go down as an electrical fatality if someone dies. It goes down as a fire.
@richy_o:
The obvious comparison is NZ, where they have the same AS3000, but allow DIY electrical work.
Others comparable to us include, UK, US, Western Europe, but you need to be control more for other factors than with NZ.
If you'd seen some of the DIY stuff I'd seen
Was this in countries that allow it, or in Australia? If the latter, it just supports the case that banning DIY makes things worse. The people doing non-compliant work are not going to comply with the ban either, so what does it achieve? It just stops them getting tested or inspected.
@manic: In Australia. The problem is that it is not technically banned, it's just recommended to get a licensed tradesperson. But if hardware stores didnt sell the things that people needed to do DIY then it would solve the problem. Trades people would buy their stuff as normal from wholesalers. Back to this heat light, I had family friends who i had to go to their house and fix theirs because the land lord had tried to fix it himself and didn't know what wire went where. The way it was wired it had neutrals from two different lighting circuits at the same light which will trip the safety switch. Which it did. If the guy hadn't been such a cheap ass in the first place it would have taken me far less time to fix. You can understand why tradies don't like seeing people DIY the work that they have been learning for years. I risk my life going up into peoples ceilings if they have done dodgy work.
@richy_o:
You go up into unfamiliar roofspaces with the power on!?
My point was that banning DIY is about as effective as banning drug use. It does not solve the real problem, and can make it worse. Now you want to create a black market in light switches? Would you rather people buy them from Bunnings, or order from China on ebay etc?
it had neutrals from two different lighting circuits at the same light
An annoyance - I've seen worse :-) But clearly he had no idea what he was doing and the law did not stop him.
@manic: It's a slippery slope with chinese stuff, because it's not up to australian standards. if it starts a fire insurance may not cover you. But yes i see what you're saying. I'm just not sure what would give people such confidence to do a lot of this work themselves. I've got years of training and some of it still makes me nervous.
haha about the licensed electrician till your house burns down and insurance refuses to pay
Masters have very crazy on off special pricing on stuff. But we just need to be a bit wary of the product, most of them seems to be well underspec'ed for normal use. eg. the 60kg shelving for $10, Hedge trimmer for $19, Tools bundle for $39 and this.
Its a case of reading the specs and matching to your purpose. e.g. will the shelves be holding books, or just toys?
If you live in a cold climate, you could wire this with the fan to come on with the light, and have a separate extractor over the shower.
For me, the small fan is enough.
Here's my experience. Masters quality is no different than Bunnings. Stratco is often junk (eg. Vanities, sinks, mirrors, shower heads, etc).
I bought a cheap hedge trimmer and hammer drill at masters - both were fine and still run well and do a good job, I drilled through double brick to install power points and I rerouted plumbing through a concrete floor (so I have some hands on experience with hammer drills). I also bought the bigger ozito hammer drill and have used kangos. They're much of a muchness, but the ozito would lose grip of the bit too frequently.
What I am wary of from everyone is cheap screwdrivers, cheap drill bits, cheap hammers (they often don't have a flat surface), cheap spirit levels (they're frequently not straight - I once tested 10 in a row at Bunnings that were all bent), cheap tin snips. Believe it or not, the cheapest pincers at Bunnings were about the best!
For a weekend warrior like me who has done major renovations, most cheap tools will do a fine job for me. Masters quality (in general) is no better / worse than Bunnings or Mitre 10 as far as I have seen.
Mind you the installation of these 3 in 1 units is expensive. Paid 520 for one recently
Seriously? Because that's fairly insane. That's half a day at a high rate. Do you have a concrete ceiling or something?
I'm intending to get my current (cheap crappy) heat lights replaced, so I'm interested in the labour involved :)
BTW, note to all: stay away form cheap heat lights. Electricity, humid air, plastic and heat are a poor match.
stay away form cheap heat lights.
Why? Have you evidence they are defective?
I got the Goldair form a previous deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/189931
It has been fine. It is wired so the fan turns on when it gets hot. Hopefully this "Evolveair" does the same.
As far as install goes, yes there are risks for the ill-prepared, but to put it in perspective, falling off ladders is a much greater risk than electrocution. People are aware of the dangers of electricity, but give less thought to ladders.
Uhm, it's cracking everywhere, the plastic is melting, and it's falling off the ceiling as a result…. does that count?
And I said nothing about the dangers of installation (let alone ladders). Merely the dangers of cheap electrics in a wet environment.
Was that including the light itself? Or was that just labour?
How do these compare to the IXL tastic lights? What is a good model? I tend to buy stuff myself and get it fitted by a sparky.
I'm hoping to get some free advice - the IXL one in my rental property apparently has a busted extractor fan, it was replaced under warranty about 2 years ago so I thought bugger it, replace the whole thing, they're about $179 to replace. Given there is existing wiring & ducting in place, what's a ballpark figure on getting a sparky to install a new one?
Prices vary wildly. Call out fees, quarter hour rates, charges to pick up items, etc. is the current wiring upto scratch, etc.
I had to rewire my entire house. The sparky broke every rule in the book (eg. Wires sitting on the gyprock, wires twisted together, no separation of lights/GPOs).
If everything is in good order, I'm guessing $150 call out fee, 1 hour to install $120. If your roof is hard to access, wiring may be an issue and may cost extra. My bathroom needs access from outside. 8 roof sheets need to be removed. This took me (an amateur) about 2 hours.
So, about $300 if there are no complications. About $500 with complications.
Try to find a sparky that someone else felt was fair. I won't recommend anyone - the guy I usually use is dear as poison but does a thorough job. He charged me $800 (10 years ago) to confirm labelled wires were installed correctly and to then fit 2 lights into that wiring. That's 30 minutes work for me (an amateur). I was expecting $200 max.
You got stitched up.
Thanks mate, obviously a lot of factors in play. Will grit my teeth & hope they are gentle…
Not worth the hassle at all.
It is a rubbish product.
I bought this 2 weeks ago and had a sparky installed it in my bathroom.
As we were testing it (by leaving it on for a few minutes), it kept tripping the main safety switch.
It was a complete waste of a couple of hours time with the sparky trying to work out what went wrong.
We ended up returning this to Masters and installing IXL tastic, which was much more expensive - but without the hassle.
How much is it normally?