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Not that I'd ever have one, but except for the battery issues (which can be fixed with regulation) why were these banned again?
Its impressive tech, seems like a "old man yells at cloud" issue
Too many people bought poor-quality boards whose batteries caught fire when charging, either due to a poorly-designed charger, poor-quality batteries, or damaged batteries.
Hoverboards aren't banned in Australia. Only hoverboards with components that don't meet certain safety standards are banned.
http://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1…
Hoverboards need to meet international or Australian or US safety standards for batteries and related circuitry outlined in Consumer Protection Notice No. 3 of 2016.
The US did not ban hoverboards because of any safety issues. They were banned because of a patent dispute with Segway.
why were these banned again?
They aren't banned 100%. There is a ban on selling those that have unsafe charging methods.
Its impressive tech, seems like a "old man yells at cloud" issue
Some people think that they are banned - however when pressed to prove that there's a ban, they cannot produce any evidence. They do however sprout forth lots of statements that aren't applicable.
There is some conjecture that they aren't legal to ride in public. In order for that to be true, there must be a law about it. People cannot be arrested for breaking a law that doesn't exist, but a website said it, so it must be true.
In order for that to be true, there must be a law about it.
i know this isnt vic specific link (im in SA anyway) but
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/unregistered.ht…
Driving an unregistered vehicle is illegal and potentially dangerous. Heavy penalties apply.
pretty sure that is a law…… pretty sure these "hoverboards" are an unregistered "vehicle"
pretty sure its (personal attack removed) to claim otherwise?
your welcome
Thats on a road..
@Roary: i pointed this out already, nosdan is correct, these are illegal to use anywhere in public ie roads, footpaths and public spaces. This is the same in most states.
http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cy…
The onus is now on you to prove they're legal, as far as i know no state has changed their laws to allow the use in public.
I'll wait for your apology!
I am thinking the same..
What Nosdan linked is an offense about using an unregistered vehicle on the road..
Whilst some states have a law about using these devices also on a footpath, public places it does not fall under the law Nosdan linked..
They are legal in Queensland in public places (footpaths, parks) but not roads
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/nonpowered/per…
So i think you owe me an apology!!!
using an unregistered vehicle on the road..
as has already clearly been explained in this threads and threads just like this on OzB in the past, these are classed as a motor vehicle at least in some states. as has already been explained to death that means you can not use them in ANY "public space".
if QLD has a specific exemption for these devices thats a whole other story, that is definitely not the case here in SA.
So i think you owe me an apology!!!
i apologise that you do not (personal attack removed) understand what is clearly explained by myself and several other people, and you do not have the education to understand the clearly written web pages outlining what ive been explaining all along.
@Roary: you obviously didn't read the link I've now provided twice in this thread. In SA, which nosdan was referring to, you will be charged for driving an unregistered vehicle. He is correct and his link is accurate by definition under SA laws, which are similar to most states
You obviously haven't followed or read this thread properly, i did point out QLD is one of the few places where it may be legal to use on footpaths only, thank you for confirming this. QLD obviously has specific laws that can apply to these devices to make exception for them, but is the only state that i know has.
also from your very own (profanity) link….
have a control to limit speed to 12km/h or less
and from the product specs to this (profanity) product
Max. Speed - 10-15km/h
meaning that this device is still illegal to use, even in QLD where they have some exemptions……..
this means that if you get busted for using one of these devices, even on a footpath where some similar devices may be legal, you can still be charged for all the charges i have listed in my post below because you are outside of the exemptions.
Seriously you guys (personal attack removed)
I think you are trolling but let me repeat myself.
They are illegal to use on any road in Australia. This I agree with and never argued about.
However off-road (footpaths and public spaces) its up to each state to make their own rules about this.
Queensland lets people use these devices.
Nosdens link referred to using only on roads.. Hence it even have Roads in the URL. That is what I was correcting him about, the law he linked did not apply to foothpaths, public and private places and his failure with a simple English word 'you're'. So I am still waiting for your apology..
The onus is now on you to prove they're legal, as far as i know no state has changed their laws to allow the use in public.
i did point out QLD is one of the few places where it may be legal to use on footpaths only,
Which one is it??
Nosdan you failure to understand
have a control to limit speed to 12km/h or less
These devices can drive at less than max speed (10-15Km/hr) by simply not putting so much pressure on the pads. Which means you can limit the speed to less than 12Km/hr.
If you read the next line from the URL I linked it also says
have a maximum speed of 20km/h
So a child would understand that the device cannot travel faster than 20Km/hr and able to travel at 12Km/hr or less when conditions are present..
I apologise you cant even accurately understand information from an URL and instead you have to resort to personal attacks to hide your failure..
In Queensland, a personal mobility device can be used on road-related areas such as paths and nature strips.
once again, its written on the very page you are trying to cite, they even call it "road related areas"… your opinion is void.. you obviously have no idea, or choose to turn a blind eye to the obvious. either way you have disproven your own claims…
Which means you can limit the speed to less than 12Km/hr.
once again you have proven my point, the device does not have a control to limit it to under 12kph thus falls outside of the limits of the exception that allows use on QLD footpaths. the "20kph maximum" is not for the speed it can "travel" at but its the speed at which the device needs to accelerate too while your traveling at the 12kph to it can get under you to shift the momentum so you can come to a stop. if max travel speed was 12 and the max total speed was also 12, when you were travelling at full speed you could not slow the device or bring it to a stop and in fact you would end up falling forward because of momentum. once again you completely failed to understand everything that is obvious to other people.
pressure on the pads
its nothing to do with pressure on pads, they use an internal gyro and mathematical calculations to know what speed it needs to travel at to maintain balance.
once again you are completely in error of everything you say.
@Roary: please read the link i provided. It would clear this up so much quicker and you would realise nosdan is correct
If its easer here's a shameless copy and paste for you when referring to electric motor devices, specifically like this one for sale:
"No. These devices cannot be used on roads or road related areas such as foot paths, bike/pedestrian tracks, or vehicle parking areas.
Under South Australian legislation, these devices are considered to be motor vehicles. Operating a motor vehicle requires a driver’s licence, registration and compulsory third party insurance."
Also:
"These devices can only be used on private property. Failure to comply could result in fines for driving unregistered and uninsured and in some instances for not holding the appropriate driver’s licence."
This confirms nosdan is correct, it's classed as a motor vehicle and so any laws that apply to a motor vehicle apply, if it can't be registered you'll face the appropriate penalties, which in SA will add up to a few thousand dollars and loss of licence (if you have one) if they choose to throw the book at you.
I acknowledged a long time ago QLD is the exception, i haven't argued they aren't permitted on paths there, and i thanked you for confirming this.
I've done pretty well for fat fingers on a phone with spelling, grammar and autocorrect, forgive my mistakes.
and loss of licence (if you have one)
fwiw, not having a licence is not a "get out of jail free" (or in this case get away without a disqualification) card so to speak. even if you never had a licence this stays with you and if you ever go to get your licence in the future you will then have to take the disqualification if you ever do want/get a licence.
where this may be relevant would be say someone was young and was busted riding one of these thinking that because they dont have a licence they wont suffer the suspension, once the rider turns 16+ and wants to get a car licence they will still have to apply/take test and pass/qualify for a licence etc THEN cop what ever licence suspension they received previously.
i had a similar thing happen to me when i was young and after getting my full licence was forced back into my P's because of a traffic infringement.
I give up..Anyone else wanna try and help these guys out.
It seems no matter what you link they seem to twist things around and argue about something different..
It seems no matter what you link they seem to twist things around and argue about something different..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
we have both kept perfectly on point, its you that is trying to twist things to seem like somehow you are in the right when you are clearly in the wrong. you have completely failed to see the facts in even the links you have provided "as evidence" even tho they are clearly explaining the intent of the actual laws
you will notice they are not the actual laws, just a laymans terms dumbing down so without a legal background people can try and understand them. if htey were actually the relevant laws they would be the statutes and clauses of the actual laws and probably go into pages and pages of details that you could not understand.
You linked a law about roads saying its illegal to use these devices.
Fact is I proved you can legally use them in private property as well as in some states at public places.
So they are not illegal to use..
Twist this around please!!!
Fact is I proved you can legally use them in private property
that was NEVER in question.
read my first replies on this deal, in fact go back through my replies for any similar motorised device like this and you will see i have continually said that these are ONLY legal to use on your own private property. you can choose to use ANY type of vehicle on your own private property and are not subject to the same laws and ADR's etc as you would be if you were to use it in public…
once you step outside of your own private property, specifically onto any government/council owned land, the government is accountable for what happens on it and if someone gets hurt then the government/council opens themselves up to public liability claims and being sued etc. this includes things like footpaths, nature strips, skate parks, public ovals, beaches and countless other public areas. this is why, if you want to use them anywhere but your own private proerty you need to follow the same rules as any other road, unless like in QLD there is a specific exemption like you quoted.
fwiw, police also have jurisdiction over things like shopping centre car parks and other places where the public has free and open access too, which is why these are also illegal to ride on those even tho they are technically "private property"
@Roary: Using them legally on private property has never been in dispute, the use of these devices in public areas is. Nosdan and i have shown repeatedly that it is, except for footpaths in QLD which i pointed out very early on that you seem to ignore.
I have even linked to a SA government website that explicitly says hoverboards are classed as a vehicle, this means they are subject to the same laws as a car. The goverment website then declares they are illegal to use anywhere in public and a user can be booked for driving an unregistered vehicle, uninsured vehicle and possibly unlicensed. If the operator was to argue like you have with an officer i'm sure they'd find a whole littany of other charges too.
I've posted the direct quotes!
How can you continue to think we're the ones twisting this?
And still you go on.. You twist things..
You guys were saying they are illegally and
The onus is now on you to prove they're legal, as far as i know no state has changed their laws to allow the use in public.
I have now proved that you can use them in public in QLD (which you now agree), just not on roads.
You also do also acknowledge that they are legal in private property. So they are now legal to use but there are restrictions to using them. That is very much different from being illegal.
I have now proved that you can use them in public in QLD (which you now agree), just not on roads.
as i have already pointed out to you, these particular vehicles are also not entitled to the exemption for use on QLD paths because they lack the speed limiting built into the electronics of the device.
That is very much different from being illegal.
look at the whole comment you are misquoting out of context…
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@Roary: i pointed this out already, nosdan is correct, these are illegal to use anywhere in public ie roads, footpaths and public spaces. This is the same in most states.
http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cy…
The onus is now on you to prove they're legal, as far as i know no state has changed their laws to allow the use in public.
when taken in context he is obviously revering to on public use, which has been the whole tone of every reply here (and other similar deals) and you have, once again, obviously completely missed the point and once again tried to twist it to suit yourself….
you owe everyone an apology… and cupcakes…. i like cupcakes..
@Roary: in fact im even getting ahead of myself because it is so simple to debunk your comments that im not even needing to power up the single brain cell needed to discredit it
The onus is now on you to prove they're legal, as far as i know no state has changed their laws to allow the use in public.
even the out of contextual way you are trying to twist this to support your unsubstantiated claims is completely wrong because even in the one line you quote he again defines his statement with an "in public"
seriously how do you not get this? how are you still trying to claim opposite to what is obvious?
as i have already pointed out to you, these particular vehicles are also not entitled to the exemption for use on QLD paths because they lack the speed limiting built into the electronics of the device.
No your wrong again. Try riding one, you can control the speeds..
when taken in context he is obviously revering to on public use
Public use was never mentioned. You just had a blanket they are illegal. No its not obvious.. If something is illegal that includes Public and Private use. This argument aside (coz you just love to argue when you are wrong). They are also legal in at least QLD in public areas which you still wont admit you are wrong about..
No your wrong again.
ive not been wrong once in this entire comment thread, not once. it is you who are completely and totally wrong in everything you have tried to come up with.
Try riding one, you can control the speeds..
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/nonpowered/per…
To use a personal mobility device in Queensland, it must: have a control to limit speed to 12km/h or less
using controls you are referring to you can use this vehicle at up to 15kmph, thus making it outside of the defined exemption which requires it to have no more than 12kph. if what you were purposing had any basis in reality it would not be written as a thing the device needs to qualify for the exemption.
Public use was never mentioned.
its right (profanity) ing there in his original comment THAT YOU QUOTED PART OF, twice. you are just being completely pedantic over your misunderstanding of his meaning, any normal sensible person could grasp the point he was making about the subject of where it is or isnt legal to use these vehicles.
If something is illegal that includes Public and Private use.
never, not once have either of us said or even implied the vehicle its self was illegal. not once. constantly said that its use, in public, is illegal.
its legal to own a vehicle for on road use that does well over 200kph, like some of the vehicles i own…. it is however illegal to use that vehicle, on a public road, at above 110kph, some roads even less. it is however completely legal for me to use that vehicle at over 200kph in my own driveeway, my own back yard or my own lounge room…
NO.. Dont you understand?????
using controls you are referring to you can use this vehicle at up to 15kmph
Correct so you can use this vehicle at 1,2,3,4…..10,11,12,13,14,15.. Its up to you how fast you go!!
To use a personal mobility device in Queensland, it must: have a control to limit speed to 12km/h or less
Yes its has a control to limit the speed to 12Kms.. This is what you still dont understand coz yr head is not where its supposed to me.
You can control the speed, its not set that you can only ride at 15KM/hr which you are arguing about.
You said it was illegal many times.. Now only are you saying its illegal in public which is still not accurate.
Someone else wanna try and help this (personal attack removed)?
Its up to you how fast you go!!
which is EXACTLY what makes these fall outside of the exemption. the device its self needs to be limited to a traveling speed of no more than 12…….. again it is you that does not understand even the basics of this. it is absolutely clear on the page you linked as to what the rules are.
Yes its has a control to limit the speed to 12Kms..
or more not or LESS
its not set that you can only ride at 15KM/hr which you are arguing about.
the fact that it can travel at 15kph AT ALL is what puts it outside of the exemption/regulations.
Could you two give it a rest?
I've used one of these and they are a hoot. I really want one. But fact of the matter is. It is illegal for them to be used in public spaces (broad generalisation I know) in Victoria. And in most states.
If you want to be sure call up your state police (NOT 000) and ask them for clarification.
Having said all that. I'm not entirely convinced that you'd get booked using these unless there's a clamp down on their use. ie. A directive is put out to book any man, woman or child using them. I'd hope that our police officers have better things to do.
@Roary: i stand by what i said exactly as you quoted me.
"In public"
I'll say it again
"In public"
Illegal to use in public spaces, not on private property.
Another ozbargainer, bluechan, has chimed in saying the same thing, that these are illegal to use in public spaces in victoria as well.
They are legal to use on private property and not illegal to own, i have never disputed that, i may have worded it poorly to suit your understanding.
They are illegal to use in public spaces by law in most states.
I've known they were and mentioned that they may be useable on footpaths in QLD before you even joined the thread, you only confirmed what i said already.
If you want to be sure call up your state police (NOT 000)
actually its your states department of transport that you need to contact not the police, and definitely not the emergency 000…
Having said all that. I'm not entirely convinced that you'd get booked using these unless there's a clamp down on their use. ie. A directive is put out to book any man, woman or child using them.
there is already a directive, its called the law… and its very cut and dry. furthermore i have been told directly from a cop that the only time you could get away with riding these is if you can evade police on it, this also applies to pushbikes with morors on then, police can not get into "high speed chases" with them so unless the person pulls over they must break off the "chase" tho those kinds of bikes can do anything from 40kph to well over 80, so its a lot different to a hoverboard that can only do a brisk running pace.
as i have said elsewhere in this deal, its around $2500 in fines and loss of licence, you damn well better believe police want to cash in on that… and the more popular they get the more cops will be cracking down on them.
Nosan
You still dont understand!!!
Yes the devices can travel up to 15Km/hr that is the maximum speed
As I linked before. Read the rules
have a maximum speed of 20km/h
pass!!!
have a control to limit speed to 12km/h or less
pass! you can control the device to travel at 10Km/hr or whatever speed you want!!
When it says have a control to limit speed to 12km/h or less. It means you must be able to slow the device down when conditions require to a maximum of 12km/hr such as crowded areas rather than only go at 15Km/hr as the only speed. It does not mean there is a speed limit and you can legally travel around up to 20Km/hr !!
Try and get this through you head. Ask you Mum to help explain if you still fail!!!
as far as i know no state has changed their laws to allow the use in public
I've known they were and mentioned that they may be useable on footpaths in QLD before you even joined the thread
Sure doesn't seem that you knew this!!
@Roary:
/me sighs
you obviously do not understand the difference between a maximum speed and a maximum travel speed, do you? or the basic physics involved in riding one of these vehicles?
lets turn to the "idiots" at NASA for a bit of an explanation…. https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/WindTunnel/Activities/firs…
Newton's First Law of Motion states that a body at rest will remain at rest unless an outside force acts on it, and a body in motion at a constant velocity will remain in motion in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.
let me dumb that down for you, simply a "body" travelling at a constant 12kph will continue to travel at 12kph unless something else stops that happening, in the case of a hoverboard that "something" will be the vehicle speeding up to position its self more directly underneath you so you are more vertical and thus will slow down.
more specifically how it relates to these devices and the QLD exemption is that when travelling at its fastest allowable travel speed the device will need to accelerate to above 12kph to "catch up" to your body so it can slow you down, the exemption allows your device to travel at up to 20kph to "cathc up" to you while your traveling at 12kph to 1) limit your travel speed to 12 2) allow you to bring the device to a stop.
tl;dr
the vehicles maximum speed to fit within the exemption is 20kph, the riders maximum speed to fit within the same exemption is 12kph.
got it now i hope? because this is the last time im going to beat this dead horse. between 3 of us now we have explained to you how exactly you are wrong on every point, if you continue to ignore this thats your loss not mine.
Lol (personal attack removed).. vehicle speed and riders speed? Do you even read what you write?
OMG does this (personal attack removed) make sense to anyone?
You also confusing acceleration with velocity
There is no law about acceleration. Your device can accelerate at 2million km/hr. Its just the velocity is limited to 20Km/hr which these device is..
These devices can travel slower than its maximum velocity depending on how fast you wish to travel. Hence also fall under the restriction that you can limit your speed to 12km/hr
WTF your dribble about riders maximum speed and how thats different to vehicles maximum speed is beyond comprehension to the average and above person.. Hey lets try and talk about Newton laws of gravity to mask how stupid you sound??
Yes I agree quit now.. You are really losing the plot..
vehicle speed and riders speed? Do you even read what you write?
i said what i mean, and i mean what i said.
There is no law about acceleration
nup, wrong again.
Thats newton law lol.. Not a law abouta restriction on how fast a vehicle can accelerate which is obviously what were are talking about.
Twisting again..
Let's leave it there please, you have personally attacked each other multiple times so end the discussion now.
Hey the advert says that it is waterproof… :-D
If I want to use this as a paddle steamer do I need a boat licence?
If its waterproof i can vape on it..:P
Originally $599 now reduced to $245. I doubt consumers would buy one even if it is further reduced to $199.
Lol
Funny, i see their warehouse everyday from the way to work :)) but yeah, without beting able to operate outside private property and so many horror stories and news, these things are next to useless. No wonder they are trying so hard to get rid of them.
I get that they are technically illegal to use in some states. But has anyone been booked for using one of these?
Thanks jv. But your reply wasn't relevant to my question.
But has anyone been booked for using one of these?
i personally know someone who lives near me who got fined around $2500 and lost his car licence for i think it was around 2 years for it.
Lol sure…
The maximum fine for driving an unlicensed vehicle is $637
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/offences-penalt…
@Roary:
then add the fine for driving an uninsured (compulsory 3rd party) vehicle which is around the same, then driving without a licence (because you cant get licensed for an unregisterable new type of vehicle), then breach of ADR which last i knew was around the $350 mark here, riding without an approved helmet as unless there is a specific exemption you cant use a bicycle helmet because they are only for non motorised vehicles (aka pushbike).
hahaha i just read your link, it even says there the fine for uninsured is the same as unreg.
so call bullshit all you like, facts are facts.
this was in SA by the way, so ymmv
Driving an uninsured vehicle would not apply as you cannot insure an unlicensed vehicle. Same with driving without a license as you cannot get licenses for them (same as apush bike - no one in the history of Australia has ever had a fine for not having a bike license)
THE ADR does not apply here either.. What else why didn't you include seatbeats???
You are full of it.. Seriously what a big load of fat porky pies. If you wish to prove me wrong and show some proof go ahead but I know you cant.
Driving an uninsured vehicle would not apply as you cannot insure an unlicensed vehicle.
yet another swing and a miss… if you were even close to the truth you would not be able to get fined for unregistered vehicle using one of these because you also can not register them. your lack of logic brings you down once again.
same as apush bike - no one in the history of Australia has ever had a fine for not having a bike license
that is because there is specific laws and exemptions about human powered vehicles not needing licences and registration. none such exist for these devices
What else why didn't you include seatbeats???
do you even english bro?
If you wish to prove me wrong and show some proof go ahead but I know you cant.
why do i need to get evidence when you prove yourself wrong in your very explanations?
i guess your already sick of being so easily proven wrong hence why you are now staking my previous comments on other deal :) ill call that an easy win
Remember when these things cost $1000 from JB? Peperidge farm remembers
@Roary: its not "brand" its specifically a patent concerning gyro stabilised personal transport. you dont patent brands you only patent ideas/designs. protecting brands falls more into copyright law