Brand New 6.5 Inch Wheels, Colour Choice Black or White.
Samsung Battery
12 Months Warranty
SAA Approved
JAS-ANZ and MSDS certified Australian Standard battery charger
$225 After Discount
Pick Up Available From 1/191 The Horsley Drive Fairfield NSW 2165 (Entry from Tangerine Street)
Here we go again
I heard some are banned in Australia?
Can only use them on private property, not footpaths/roads like they advertise
Also if this seller is like the others, just wait for the 'Aus certification' claim… on the charger lol
Ha ha and barely a minute later!
These ones comply with Australian standards so no issues with these
so they are under 200w?
edit:
Highest Power - 700W(contain)
so your a liar…
You are allowed to ride these over 700w in public, though you need to register them as a vehicle
@Bigdaddy2204: impossible to register them as they do not comply with ADR's and they have also not been imported as a vehicle to be complianced so unless you want to reexport them, then reimport them for compliance and pay all the extra taxes and duties and paperwork etc you can never register them…..
@nosdan: The Vic roads website has no mention of ADR's or needing to import them as a vehicle, as its a motorised scooter that is classed as a motor vehicle
@Bigdaddy2204: laws may have changed since last i looked, do you have a link to said info?
last i did know differnt states had slightly differing laws about them but all mostly illegal to use anywhere that isnt your own public property
@nosdan: https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-r…
Right down the bottom, though I believe is hard to understand the law on them.
Your motorised scooter is classed as a motor vehicle if it:
is powered by a petrol motor
has a maximum power of more than 200 watts
can go faster than 10 km/h.
If your motorised scooter is classed as a motor vehicle it can only be used on the road if it is registered and the rider has a motorcycle licence or learner permit. But, you can use it on private property.
unless the rules have changed, to register a vehicle of any kind it needs to comply with ADR's, there is no specific mention that "scooters" are in any way exempt from this in fact after reading that whole page it pretty clearly says that these things are classed as motor vehicles (just like any full size car) and thus needs to follow all the same rules/laws as any other vehicle.
even if you import a proper car from overseas, unless you specifically import it registration here it can never be registered and people here have had very expensive cars confiscated and crushed because they were imported incorrectly.
unless you can find somewhere it states that these scooters somehow have some exemption from the same rules as any other motor vehicle i cant see how it changes
on the flip side, if you built and designed your own scooter, had it designed to comply with all relevant rules/adr's in aus you could technically get them made in china and export them here and register them, it would cost you millions and the final price you would need to sell them at to break even would probably be in the 100's of 1000's each :) but technically you could do it, which is why that page states what is possible, not practical :)
Everything I can read there suggests @nosdan is correct.
ive done a bit of importing and vehicle compliancing myself so i was forced to learn the rules :) ive also been heavily into the importing scene/businesses across australia over a few decades so know of a few horror stories of $100k+ vehicles being crushed because of incorrect paperwork filled out before importing here.
@tantryl: Ok I will clear it up
A foot scooter:
has two or three wheels
has a footboard between the front and back wheels
is steered by handlebars
may or may not have a seat
is moved by pushing one foot against the ground.
A motorised scooter:
has the same features as a foot scooter
is moved by pushing one foot against the ground, by an electric motor, or by a combination of both
has an electric motor with a maximum power output of 200 watts or fewer
is not able to travel faster than 10 km/h when ridden on level ground.
Your motorised scooter is classed as a motor vehicle if it:
is powered by a petrol motor
has a maximum power of more than 200 watts
can go faster than 10 km/h.
If your motorised scooter is classed as a motor vehicle it can only be used on the road if it is registered and the rider has a motorcycle licence or learner permit. But, you can use it on private property.
So because it has the same features as a foot scooter, powered by an electric motor, has more than 200w of power and probably goes faster than 10km/h. To ride it on a road it needs to be registered and the rider needs a motorcycle licence.
@nosdan: Yep I do not know, ive never found anything that says it needs to comply with ADR's. But im more into the electric skateboards, thats why ive looked these up.
So because it has the same features as a foot scooter,
Errr - nope. Read your own quote:
A foot scooter:
has two or three wheels
has a footboard between the front and back wheels
is steered by handlebarsA motorised scooter:
has the same features as a foot scooter
It is not "OR" between each bullet point, but "AND".
So, this doesn't classify as a "motorised scooter" because it does have the same features as a foot scooter (front and back wheels, and handlebars). Since it's not a motorised scooter, it's irrelevant how many watts it has, or how fast it might travel.
@llama: Excuse me but your first point states that its not "OR" but an "AND" which is incorrect, it states neither.
Second the motorised scooter does not state it need all the same features.
If you dont like it take it up with Vic roads
Excuse me but your first point states that its not "OR" but an "AND" which is incorrect, it states neither.
It doesn't need to state it. The clause is EXCEPTIONALLY clear. I simply copy/paste from the link that you provided:
What is a foot scooter?
A foot scooter:
• has two or three wheels
• has a footboard between the front and back wheels
• is steered by handlebars
• may or may not have a seat
• is moved by pushing one foot against the ground.
That means that the device must meet ALL FIVE of those criteria in order to be classified as a foot scooter.
For example, a tricycle meets the 1st, 3rd and 4th criteria. Meeting 3 out of 5 doesn't mean that a tricycle is a foot scooter.
This hoverboard meets the 1st and 4th criteria only. Therefore it is even less of a foot scooter than a tricycle.
If you dont like it take it up with Vic roads
Why? They have already made it 100% clear. This device is NOT A SCOOTER.
@Bigdaddy2204: >is steered by handlebars
Clearly these are not meeting the definition of a foot or motorised scoorter: they are not steered by handlebars.
@llama: Tricycles are not wheeled recreational devices. Only Scooters, skateboards, roller blades and roller skate. Only wheeled recreational devices may be used on roads under 50km/h.
"scooters that are a motor vehicle (a motor with an output of 200 watts or more)"
It never says that a foot scooter need to have all 5 criteria to be classified. Only that it does have these criteria.
Excuse me but your first point states that its not "OR" but an "AND" which is incorrect, it states neither.
OK - you obviously don't understand how to read legal documents, etc. However, here is a copy paste straight from the Vicroads Legislation.
http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/LTObject_Store/ltobjst8.nsf/DDE300B846EED9C7CA257616000A3571/407B49EE3C518A9CCA257C7800198F1A/$FILE/09-94sra012%20authorised.pdf
244A Meanings of scooter
In these Rules scooter means a vehicle (with or
without a seat) that—
(a) has either 2 wheels (one in front of the other)
or 3 wheels (one in front and two at the rear);
and
(b) has a footboard between the front and rear
wheels; and
(c) is steered by means of a handlebar; and
(d) can be propelled by one or both of the
following—
(i) a person pushing one foot against the
ground;
(ii) one or more motors.
The moment that just ONE of those criteria fails, the entire definition is null.
This hoverboard IS NOT A SCOOTER.
PS: Note the "AND" that's used in the legislation?
It never says that a foot scooter need to have all 5 criteria to be classified. Only that it does have these criteria
Read my post above, copy/pasted STRAIGHT from the Victorian Legislation. I even link to it, so you can check and confirm.
I am sorry, but you are just making yourself look like a goose here. I don't want to help you, but posting misinformation means that I have no choice.
Would you say a skateboard then?
A skateboard is not a Foot Scooter OR a Motorised scooter either.
It's pretty easy to comprehend. I have no idea why you are trying to say this hoverboard is a scooter.
Is this "hoverboard" as electric skateboard? serious question
Of course not. It is a hoverboard.
Under Victorian legislation, it is classified as a "Wheeled Recreational Vehicle".
wheeled recreational device means a wheeled device, built to
transport a person, propelled by human power or gravity
(or in the case of a scooter, propelled by a person pushing
one foot against the ground, or by an electric motor or
motors, or by a combination of these), and ordinarily used
for recreation or play, and—
(a) includes rollerblades, rollerskates, a skateboard, a
scooter that is not a motor vehicle, or similar wheeled
device;
(b) does not include a golf buggy, pram, stroller or
trolley, or a bicycle, wheelchair or wheeled toy, or a
scooter that is a motor vehicle;
A "Wheeled recreational vehicle" is NOT classified as a vehicle.
The person operating the "Wheeled recreational vehicle" is deemed a "Pedestrian".
@llama: Really its not a "hoverboard" is a self balancing scooter. Im sure you know that the term hoverboard is the name given by the media. Because that this device is over 200w of power it cant be classified as a wheeled recreational vehicle. So if its not a motorised scooter then it doesn't need to be registered as one. You can get skateboards with only 2 wheels with one "eg ripstick". Ok so i now agree its not a motorised scooter, I say it is an electric skateboard. There are no rules that I can find stating that they are illegal to ride in public?
Really its not a "hoverboard" is a self balancing scooter.
Under Victorian rules, IT IS NOT A SCOOTER. A scooter has an exceptionally clear and concise definition, and this doesn't even come close to meeting it.
Because that this device is over 200w of power it cant be classified as a wheeled recreational vehicle
NO - There is no such distinction.
A scooter is a specific type of "Wheeled Recreational device". But a Wheeled recreational device is not necessarily a Scooter.
These devices are used by Pedestrians, and are not classified as "Vehicles". Therefore, they cannot be used on roads, and there are no licencing requirements, ADRs, standards, etc for them.
A bicycle is a "Vehicle". These have different definitions and rules.
The confusion arises because of people reading the Vehicle rules, and attempting to apply them to non-vehicles.
NOTE: I have no particular knowledge of this subject - I simply know how to read legislation. It's freely available, everyone has access to it. Also note that each state's legislation is different, and I am only reading Victorian rules as that is what you quoted.
@llama: Common man I agreed with you its not a scooter its an electric skateboard. Anyway with what we have discussed, with Nosdans comment with these being over 200w, these are not illegal because they are over 200w. Im getting the over 200w from this lifehacker post http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/11/ask-lh-where-can-i-lega… which I actually cant find in his link to the more recent legislation.
I say it is an electric skateboard. There are no rules that I can find stating that they are illegal to ride in public?
The Victorian legislation defines most things using dictionary definitions. They do not however specifically mention "Skateboards".
Irrespective of whether it is a skateboard or not, it is classed as the closest definition is a "Wheeled Recreational Device". And I also can find no mention of any bans in the Victorian legislation.
Unless it's in legislation, it is NOT LAW.
It's mainly covered by RULES FOR PEDESTRIANS (page 293 onwards)
There are certain roads you cannot use these on (mainly where speed limit is over 50km/h.
You have to keep left on footpaths.
Not allowed to be towed.
There are special rules for "Scooters" and even more rules for "Motorised Scooters".
EDIT TO ADD: They may choose to deem it a "Vehicle", since the legislation does not specifically state anything about "Motorised Wheeled Recreational Devices". I may have not read the whole thing properly.
It's pretty easy to comprehend. I have no idea why you are trying to say this hoverboard is a scooter.
because he wants to delude himself into the "fact" that these are somehow legal…. if only in his own mind. sadly it happens a LOT
Really its not a "hoverboard" is a self balancing scooter. Im sure you know that the term hoverboard is the name given by the media. Because that this device is over 200w of power it cant be classified as a wheeled recreational vehicle.
indeed, and thus falls outside of any legal use on any public space, which is exactly what ive been trying to tell you. the regulations are only about things that are legal to use on non private property. you dont specificly see things like monowheels in the regs because they are simply not legal to use anywhere but your own private property.
So if its not a motorised scooter then it doesn't need to be registered as one.
again, you have read that wrong, its not that it dosnt need to be its that it CAN NOT be
You can get skateboards with only 2 wheels with one "eg ripstick".
and if its got a motor over 200w its also not alowed
There are no rules that I can find stating that they are illegal to ride in public?
this is because they only list what IS legal, or else it would be up to them to list every single thing imaginable which is completely impractical and moronic to even entertain the idea
@Bigdaddy2204: let me dumb this down and ELI5 this for you…
basically the intent of the rules are that "toys" are exempt from legislation. a "toy" they class as anything that can cause little to no damage, which is where the 200w limit comes in. they have ruled that anything under 200w is merely entertainment, mostly for kids. they are not designed to be proper modes of transport. once you get into the over 200w class they are no longer considered as "toys" and so they fall into a much stricter, heavily legislated "transport" device aka "vehicle" and because of which they need to be regulated heavily for use in public to save issues of 3rd party bodily insurances and public liability etc.
in their minds a 200w "toy", crashed into a member of the public at 3kph or less isnt going to do a great deal of injury to the victim, a 700w "wheeled recreational vehicle" smashed into a member of the public at 40kph is probably going to do a significant injury to people thus needs rego and insurances not afforded to "toys"
the regulations are only about things that are legal to use on non private property.
Show us WHERE it is stated what IS legal to use.
and if its got a motor over 200w its also not allowed
Show us WHERE that is stated in Legislation.
this is because they only list what IS legal, or else it would be up to them to list every single thing imaginable which is completely impractical and moronic to even entertain the idea
OK, so show us where they list what IS legal.
Show us WHERE it is stated what IS legal to use.
they dont state specific devices are ok or not, that is for you and your engineers to prove that your device complies with the specific rules in the ADR's. they only give you guidelines IE the ADR's.
Show us WHERE that is stated in Legislation.
didnt you quote that from the legislation in one of your previous posts? (admittedly i was only skim reading them but i thought you understood the intent of the rules?)
OK, so show us where they list what IS legal.
there is no list there never has been a list. its up to you (the person who wishes to register your "vehicle") to supply all the needed doccumentation etc so you can prove compliance with the relevant rules. this is why lawyers make so much money, proving the "rules" (legislation etc)
a "toy" they class as anything that can cause little to no damage, which is where the 200w limit comes in. they have ruled that anything under 200w is merely entertainment, mostly for kids.
I can find no such distinction, definition or rule in the Victorian legislation.
There's only ONE reference to "200 Watts", and that relates to Bicycles (which are not any vehicle with power over 200W).
Your "interpretation of the rules" needs some facts and references to substantiate it.
they dont state specific devices are ok or not,
Errr, but you just said…
the regulations are only about things that are legal to use on non private property.
and
this is because they only list what IS legal,
So what you are now telling us is that:
a) There is no list of devices which are NOT legal to use in public spaces
AND
b) There is no list of devices which ARE legal to use in public spaces.
Well, that clears things up. It also proves that there is nothing in legislation that bans people using them.
And you're the one quoting stuff about "200W not being allowed". I'd like to hear where you get that information from.
So what you are now telling us is that:
a) There is no list of devices which are NOT legal to use in public spaces
AND
b) There is no list of devices which ARE legal to use in public spaces.
exactly, there are no such lists, in general, for on road vehicles. all there is is guidelines that need to be met tho and if your vehicle does not meet those guidelines then it does not comply and there for is not allowed to be used in a public space.
let me dumb this down for you because you dont seem to understand how this works, they do not list every single style, type, make and model of push bike that is legal to use on roads, they simply state "needs to have wheels and pedals and no motor" (or, something to that effect)
it is also very similar to something im looking into at the moment and thats making my own road registered motorised (as in motorbike motor) reverse trike. a trike is still classed as a "motorbike" and has far less rules to adhere to where as if i made exactly the same vehicle but added an extra wheel it then needs to comply to all "car" design rules which are MUCH stricter.
a trike is still classed as a "motorbike" and has far less rules to adhere to where as if i made exactly the same vehicle but added an extra wheel it then needs to comply to all "car" design rules which are MUCH stricter.
and i should also add that there is no such list of what trike and i or can not build, there is simply the same guidelines, rules and exemptions that i must follow to be allowed to register and drive my trike on the road once its completed.
Complying with the ban
Hoverboards need to meet international or Australian or US safety standards for batteries and related circuitry outlined in Consumer Protection Notice No. 3 of 2016.
These ones does meet charger and battery compliance.
Not these again
Anyone had any experience with this seller ? and hows the quality of these boards ?
Anyone had any experience with this seller?
seller is a liar, see my post above. definitely wouldnt trust them if they are already lying on first contact with OzB.
hows the quality of these boards?
no better than any other reseller of these kinds of cheap asian junk
wow watch out for the negs….yes some chinese made stuff are junk, but asian also include other nations apart from china (ie. japan, taiwan, HK etc) which probably make markedly better stuff than china…
while you are technically correct of course i think everyone would know what i mean when i say cheap asian shit. im obviously not referring to stuff made in japan, as for taiwan and honk kong afaik they are still the same cheap shit peddlers as china is? and certainly not up to the same standards as jap stuff.
@bargainist: id even go as far as to say probably 90% of what im using…… but would you really claim that 90% of what comes out of china etc is of reliable quality? just take the batteries on ebay as an example……
@nosdan: ebay is different because that's just a few random sellers and that doesn't represent the multitude of manufacturers in China. They can make good or decent/bad quality which usually depends on the price you're willing to pay. You pay for what you get don't you?
I can't say for sure what percentages are good or bad. Perhaps it's the 90% of things you purchased that aren't reliable.
sorry, i meant first contact in this specific deal. specifically the claim that
comply with Australian standards so no issues with these
specifically the claim that
comply with Australian standards so no issues with these
The seller did NOT lie.
What standards do you consider that they have not complied with?
Oh, and be concise and SPECIFIC. That means you must tell us the Australian Standard number.
What standards do you consider that they have not complied with?
thats really not how it works… they have, in my opinion, not complied with ANY standards, which is why these devices are only legal to use on your own private property and not on public roads etc.
unless you have a specific bit of legislation that you think means they should be legal to use on roads/footpaths etc?
thats really not how it works… they have, in my opinion, not complied with ANY standards
Actually, it IS EXACTLY how it works. Standards are standards. Products only need to comply whith Standards that are relevant to them.
Where is the Australian Standard that you consider that they have not complied to?
If there is no standard (which there isn't) then of course they don't to comply with any of the standards. That's because all of those other standards apply to other things, but not hoverboards.
The CHARGER must comply to the Australian Standards, and it's a High Risk "declared article".
which is why these devices are only legal to use on your own private property and not on public roads etc.
Compliance with Australian Standards has nothing to do with the use of them. There is an Australian Standard AS 2336-1992 for "Meat Industry Hand Held Knives" but that doesn't mean it legal to stab somebody with a knife that complies with that standard.
unless you have a specific bit of legislation that you think means they should be legal to use on roads/footpaths etc?
We are going in circles. If they are banned, then they are banned. If so, show us WHERE they are banned. Not some newspaper article, but the LAW that applies. Even a link to a concise statement from a regulator would do.
Actually, it IS EXACTLY how it works.
no, it is exactly 100% not now it works…. ive been dealing with vehicle importing, compliance, vehicle engineering, defect clearance and related issues for some 30 odd years now.
Where is the Australian Standard that you consider that they have not complied to?
for public use (aka use on roads/footpaths etc) im saying they have not complied with any of it, which is why they are only legal to ride on your own property and not on public roads etc.
The CHARGER must comply to the Australian Standards, and it's a High Risk "declared article".
the charger has zero to do with being able to use these legally in a public space, this is about ADR's for "vehicles" which make it illegal to use them in a public space.
We are going in circles. If they are banned
never, not once have i said they are banned…… they are completely legal to own and possess. you can walk into your local cop shop with one under your arm or in your backpack and you are 100% completely within the law………… however if you stand on it and ride it into that very same cop shop you are breaking the law and opening yourself up to thousands of dollars in fines (last i knew it was over $2500 in fines), a loss of your car licence and probably other things im forgetting.
anyhoo…. its been fun….. but im AFK for now.
for public use (aka use on roads/footpaths etc) im saying they have not complied with any of it
The manufacturer doesn't need to comply with any of that. You called the supplier "A LIAR" and I am taking you to task to prove it. Now you are changing the subject?
however if you stand on it and ride it into that very same cop shop you are breaking the law and opening yourself up to thousands of dollars in fines
Breaking WHAT LAW?
Breaking WHAT LAW?
as i said below…….
i know this isnt vic specific link (im in SA anyway) but
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/unregistered.ht…
Driving an unregistered vehicle is illegal and potentially dangerous. Heavy penalties apply.
pretty sure that is a law…… pretty sure these "hoverboards" are an unregistered "vehicle"
pretty sure its moronic to claim otherwise?
your welcome
You still avoiding that post about the seller being a LIAR? You really should retract that, since you cannot substantiate it.
It's obvious that you have no evidence to back any of your claims. You might be right, you might be wrong… nobody can tell.
As yet I have not seen ONE piece of evidence to suggest that these products are not legal to use in public. If they are so strongly "banned from public use" then you'd think there'd at least one official statement out there, eh?
To me, it reeks of Urban Myth.
@llama: fook me, what are you studying at uni?
You still avoiding that post about the seller being a LIAR?
superforever 3 hours 33 min ago
I heard some are banned in Australia?Spackbace 3 hours 32 min ago
Can only use them on private property, not footpaths/roads like they advertise
Also if this seller is like the others, just wait for the 'Aus certification' claim… on the charger lolAssociatedakshay 3 hours 31 min ago
These ones comply with Australian standards so no issues with these
rep claiming they comply with aus standards.. when in fact they do not hence why they can only be used on private property
if rep was honest they would have explained that they do not comply with standards for using them in public, i call a $2500+ fine and extended loss of my licence if i get busted using one of these out the front of my own house a pretty fooking big "issue"?
fook me, what are you studying at uni?
Nothing, I am not a student. I deal with compliance, product approvals and consumer law every day of my working life. No, I am not a lawyer. I've learnt that people who "sprout law" on matters like this usually have absolutely NFI about the subject. Which you are demonstrating exceptionally well.
rep claiming they comply with aus standards.. when in fact they do not
Still avoiding the question? WHAT Australian Standard don't they comply with?
hence why they can only be used on private property
That is so utterly illogical, I don't think I can try to explain it once again.
if rep was honest they would have explained that they do not comply with standards for using them in public
Still avoiding the question? WHAT standards for using them in public?
i call a $2500+ fine and extended loss of my licence if i get busted using one of these out the front of my own house a pretty fooking big "issue"?
And I call bullshit, since I can only see an "issue" being made of something that probably doesn't exist.
Hey - I know absolutely nothing about hoverboards. I am making no claims here one way or the other. I am simply asking those who make claims to prove them.
@llama: fook, you really are stupid huh?
Still avoiding the question? WHAT Australian Standard don't they comply with?
Australian Standard AS 2336-1992 they do not comply with.
your welcome…….
And I call bullshit, since I can only see an "issue" being made of something that probably doesn't exist.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-06/sa-police-report-drive…
thats because your too stupid to realise how this all works… once again your welcome….
your welcome
LOL - still avoiding the questions. Good on ya!
too stupid to realise how this all works
But not so stupid as to blindly believe what randoms say is "law" :-)
@llama: so why aren't you asking the rep to prove their claim that these are compliant with australian standards. The onus s on the manufacturer and seller to show compliance with the law and standards not the buyer, or nosdan, when they sell it.
If you really do deal with compliance of products you would know this also and would be asking the rep to prove the compliance they claim.
As for rules and regs, nosdan is correct, in SA at least these are entirely illegal to use on public roads, paths and spaces.
The motor exceeds 200w so then becomes a "motorised vehicle" which has strict requirements which none of these devices meet and you would be laughed at if you tried to get one of these registered for legal use on roads.
so why aren't you asking the rep to prove their claim that these are compliant with australian standards.
I don't need to - the certification is published on their website.
The onis is on the manufacturer and seller to show compliance with the law and standards not the buyer, or nosdan.
Yes, and they already have done so, before this thread was created.
As for rules and regs, nosdan is correct, in SA at least these are entirely illegal to use on public roads, paths and spaces.
The motor exceeds 200w so then becomes a "motorised vehicle"…
Please link to "rules and regs" that you believe apply. One of you must be able to do that, since you are so sure in your statements…. or is it too hard for you?
you would be laughed at if you tried to get one of these registered for legal use on roads
LOL, you guys are hilarious. We were talking about riding them in public spaces, not on roads.
@llama: because your're clearly uninformed:
http://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cy…
take note where it says its illegal to use in public areas, only to be used on private property and if caught using in public spaces you can be fined for driving an unregistered vehicle.
This debate comes up everytime, and yet someone like you always wants proof that they're illegal and refuse to believe it, here's definitive proof from the SA government. Its the same in most states.
@sigh: thank you for not only understanding… but explaining it apparently better than i did.
i 100% agree with what you say and its my experience in the 30 odd years i have been dealing with the laws here about such things :)
because your're clearly uninformed:
Well, certainly not for want of trying LOL.
Thanks very much for the link. Finally somebody who can answer the question!
yet someone like you always wants proof that they're illegal and refuse to believe it,
I consider is very wise not to believe everything stated on the internetz. I work in an "evidence-based" environment, and many claims about "laws" are made.
I make my living as a result of compliance with rules and legislations. In my line of work, where there are millions of dollars at stake, "just saying so" is not sufficient as legal proof.
Its the same in most states.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Maybe someone else can demonstrate what actually applies in other states.
@llama: like a stated this has come up multiple times no one has proven they're legal and there's always someone who wants it proven they're illegl trying to get around all the things nosdan and others have stated multiple times about things power output limits, ADR's and definition of laws in multiple threads on this website alone.
The only places that i know of that these MIGHT be legal to use is a few council areas in QLD and only on footpaths only from previous research. I'm yet to know a council that can bring in laws about the legalities of such devices when only state governments can define such rules. Good luck to the person who tries to say to a state court that their council said it was ok!
Unless other states have changed their laws since christmas they're still illegal just about everywhere as far as i know, i'd be interested too who would be game to make these legal.
In my line of work, where there are millions of dollars at stake,
flipping burgers at your local fast food joint really is not anything to do with compliancing and legalities…. you obviously do not have anything to do with the day to day running of anything more than that or you would have understood the explanation i gave in my 3rd comment on this deal which was quoting from the link that was supplied and you would have a much better grasp on how laws work in general.
you obviously do not have anything to do with the day to day running of anything more than that or you would have understood the explanation i gave in my 3rd comment on this deal
As I previously said, my primary work is in standards compliance.
In our industry we work with verifiable facts, the current legislation and references to Published Standards.
No professional can consider ANY form of hearsay to be factual. It is irrelevant how many insults you throw at me, as I am only interested in information that can be VERIFIED to be accurate.
seller is a liar, see my post above
Seller is not a liar.
Your post is in error, but that doesn't make them a liar.
Good to see the 6.5 inch wheels are "Brand New"….
Really?, that's a step up, I just bought one that had used wheels
That's because you didn't buy from Bargains Online.
With winter coming these will be handy.
You're a bunch of Non-Beliebers
I do feel sorry for the OP as they obviously have bought into the idea and probably have a warehouse full of them that they are trying to flock off…
If that is the case:
1) they should have researched it before investing
2) they shouldn't be trying to rectify their mistake by transferring the problem to unsuspecting customers (and deliberately omitting very relevant information relating to the significant constraints on where these devices are permitted to be used)
Perhaps these things have a market in large Warehouses or factories.
Ah the good ol' natural selection scooter
grabs popcorn awaits the inevitable catching on fire comment in 3, 2…
The fire can be used to pop more corn.
And popcorn can be used to fill mah' belly. So, hoverboard could = win?
Warning - may cause difficult to explain carpet burns.
That'll be an awkward chat at the ER.
Hilarious channel. One of the only genuine prankster's on YT.
Agreed. They've been around just as long and never been bought out. Just 2 guys at Uni having harmless fun.
I was reading on this article, and one statement as below stand out to me “There are some factories right now that will say they use Samsung batteries but don’t,” an international sales manager from CHIC told Quartz. “They wrap a piece of paper around the battery that says ‘Samsung’ when it’s not Samsung.”
Also, this technology is manufacture and invented in China. It was available few years back.
More on fake samsung battery article
For People buying it, ACCC, this may help you in case anything happened.
BANNED in the USA with Amazon giving FULL refunds to people who bought them
Not these ones..
ALL of these types of 'hoverboard' no exceptions
The ban has nothing to do with safety. It's a patent dispute with Segway.
Not these types.. Amazon didn't sell this brand.
Not these again….