Which country would you relocate to?

[Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 08:07
Last edited 18/05/2016 - 21:41

I'm in my early 20s and single.
I can relocate anywhere for the next few years for fun/life/work experience and am back and forth between where. I thought I was certain but am now unsure.

Which country would you choose if you were me? My desired work industry is irrelevant.
Assume no visa restrictions.

Please be specific - eg Asia or Europe is not so helpful.

EDIT - You MUST leave Australia.

Thanks.

EDIT 2 - thank you everyone. I have picked my location. Western Europe staring in Londonnnnnnnn. Closing the thread now :)

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  • slow on 14/05/2016 - 08:20
    +36

    Well I have lived in many places (Melbourne, Perth, London, San Francisco, Cape Town) and can say hands down Melbourne is the best.

    But in your situation (as I was at your age) I would have no hesitation in going to London - speak the language, easy to find work and you have the whole of Europe on your doorstop for recreation

    • antzz on 15/05/2016 - 19:36
      +1

      Used to live in Melbourne and sydney, been to many places now. For me sydney is the most beautiful city in the world and melbourne is the best city to live in. Sadly my work doesn't allow me to live there.

      Have lived shortly in various city in Europe, Asia and North America and get to know many locals, still melbourne is the best. Second options is Germany, personally love Nuremberg. Very open minded people, straightforward, great booze good food, English speaking and very cheap. Lived there couple of months and spending weekend in Prague, Paris, salzburg, Luxembourg, interlaken.

      I love travelling so Germany with its central location and Cheap cost of living as base will be my best second options

      • Gravy on 16/05/2016 - 15:10
        +5

        When you lived in Melbourne and Sydney, did you live centrally, near the coast, or out in the burbs?? I think this can make a huge difference to the perception of city living.

        • antzz on 16/05/2016 - 18:05
          +2

          I have lived in CBD area (Pyrmont and World square in Sydney, as well as Southbank in Melbourne) also in the burbs (maroubra and glen waverley in melb). I have not lived in Australia for a while now. However, everytime i visited back i was reminded on how good Oz actually is. The only bad thing about the country is its location in the world maps. It is very far to anywhere else and the population of Oz of 20 something millions is very low economic wise.

    • martriv on 16/05/2016 - 09:48
      +5

      Melbourne is depression.

      • hamwhisperer on 16/05/2016 - 17:22
        +14

        If you're trying to buy a house, yes

        • antzz on 16/05/2016 - 18:06
          +3

          Melbourne houses are undervalued imho. Try Sydney.

        • hamwhisperer on 16/05/2016 - 18:41
          -3

          @antzz: Take your trolling elsewhere.

    • immortalbjr on 17/05/2016 - 10:51

      This guy is spot on.

      I dont think you could go wrong just about anywhere in Europe to be honest, but London is a great spot and short flight away from another world basically. We recently visited some family in London and the general public are just so nice and easy going, was great being able to jump on a plane and take an hour or 2 flight and end up in another country where there is a new language and complete different lifestyle.

      If your not worried about work or needing an income try Italy, beautiful country and people also.

      • [Deactivated] on 18/05/2016 - 21:37

        Everyone loves Italy. Said both my English and Swiss friend. I must visit there.

  • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 08:35
    +6

    I've lived in South Africa (first 3 years of my life), France (briefly while studying), Hong Kong (brief stay with my Dad),Mauritius , Rodrigues and Melbourne. I like Melbourne best. I would stay here forever if I could.

    • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 12:38
      +4

      If I must leave Australia, then Rodrigues.

      Edit: Denmark was nice too. If only it was warmer…

        • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2016 - 07:32
          -6

          I meant white Africans…

          I've never kissed a non-Caucasian.

        • NBAD25 on 17/05/2016 - 11:01
          +7

          @Beethoven: From creepy, to almost racist in 2 days.

        • NBAD25 on 17/05/2016 - 11:03
          +3

          "Im not really into that whole cross racial thing personally"

          You're heaps (profanity).

        • bajillionaire on 17/05/2016 - 15:06
          +2

          @Beethoven: You and Lucky13 deserve each other.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2016 - 15:16
          -2

          @NBAD25:

          How is that racist? It's never happened. I haven't met someone I have wanted to kiss yet. I also haven't kissed someone in their 90s. Does that make me ageist?

        • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2016 - 15:17

          @AlmostCromulent:

          You do realise that makes no sense. Because I haven't met someone from another race I wanted to kiss yet I automatically hate other races? I also have only dated males. Am I sexist too?
          That's certainly a jump to a conclusion.

      • Scrooge McDuck on 17/05/2016 - 18:26
        +1

        Also, Africans are the BEST kissers.

        Have you sampled every continent?

        I hear Antarcticans are pretty good…

        • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2016 - 19:13

          Let's all stay on topic please.

          If you all want to believe something about me go ahead.

          Back to relocation suggestions please.

        • [Deactivated] on 17/05/2016 - 19:23
          +1

          I hear Antarcticans are pretty good…

          They probably had better luck than me. All I got was a peck on the cheek. Really natty dressers, though, tuxedos look great on anyone, but jeez, talk about bad breath. It's like they were chewing on raw squid or something. Ewwww….

        • Scrooge McDuck on 18/05/2016 - 09:06
          +1

          @Beethoven:

          If you all want to believe something about me go ahead.

          I don't "believe something" (what ever that may be) about you. I haven't been around for a while and I don't generally read every comment in a thread before posting.

          I'm just wondering if you've asked yourself:

          Am I sure there's a correlation between continent of origin and kissing aptitude?

          And if so,

          Was my sample size adequate?

          :)

  • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 08:48
    +19

    Australia. Which was an awesome decision. :D

    • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:51
      +3

      :)

      I have to leave the country though.

      • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 16:12
        +2

        Maybe bounce around countries for a bit? Change every 6 months, year or so? If your language skills are good, this can be a great way to get some experience. And worst case, you can always come back here, which isn't too bad at all.

        Norway or the Scandinavian countries have always appealed to me. Good places, great people. Never managed to find the time to move there, though. Canada was also on my list before I ended up here. Still fancy living there for a bit, but I'm getting older now, so it's trickier to get Visas.

      • 01011010 on 15/05/2016 - 09:45
        +17

        do you have some kind of outstanding warrant situation you need to share? has Westpac given you a larger line of credit that you have used? have you created something with too many eneloops and now the heat is turned up on you?

        • [Deactivated] on 15/05/2016 - 10:32
          +5

          That is exactly the issue.

  • altomic on 14/05/2016 - 09:20

    I've lived in Japan (4 years) and England (2 years), plus extensive travel else where. For me, I'd go to China. China 1,000,000,000+ people - it's a world in itself. It's own culture and internal market structure. Unlike so many other countries I've been to which revolve around a strong European history/background.

    China.

    • scrimshaw on 14/05/2016 - 10:03
      +5

      I'm surprised you didn't say Japan.

      • altomic on 14/05/2016 - 10:44
        +12

        Japan is cool. I guess I'm suggesting China over Japan due to the shear enormity of China.

        but yeah, Japan too for the OP.

        Japan is so paradoxical. so advanced but at the same time so backward. I used to smoke at my desk in the office (10 years ago).

        • scrimshaw on 14/05/2016 - 10:46
          +1

          I have heard / read that Japan is very conservative. e.g their stance on gay/lesbian issues. Their long work hours, their labour policies, the education system. Probably because of their aging population? Who knows, but I'd like to visit Japan some day.

          You said you taught ESL in Japan, was that a cool experience? I'd be interested in going there if I had proper training in TESOL.

        • altomic on 14/05/2016 - 12:55
          +14

          @scrimshaw: yeah, Japan is an extremely collectivist nation. Japan first, work second, family third.

          ring up work and say you're sick - shame. but arrive at work and you're hungover - no problem.

          passive drunkenness after work (for men) is readily acceptable especially if you're an office worker - blowing off steam.

          it's interesting. my first degree was sociology + ethics, so living in Japan was a text book experience.

          I could speak for hours on the strangeness/difference.

          ESL was interesting. met some amazing people and had some extremely interesting experiences. techwise - teaching at panasonic/matsushita mobile phone development lab and hearing about the next gen phones 2 years before release, or at Oki-denki (memory development lab).

          people - talking to the really old japanese students about their memories of WW2, the "crazy" or eccentric psychiatrist .

          you don't really need too much training. I could sit down with you for a day and explain how it works. Japanese people learn by repetition so ESL is basically - intoduce the topic of the lesson, give context of the lesson (visual or written material), practise the material, repeat.

          I'd recommend going there. I'd love to go back with my kids and live - but China is a bit more alluring for the sake of my kids - get them fluent in mandarin. 3 blonde girls speaking perfect mandarin!!! but either.

          to be honest, if someone said "hey altomic, I've got a reasonably good job lined up for you in X country (which is "safe") with reasonable accomodation and good educational opportunities for your girls" then I'd probably take it. I'm not put out by where. choose any country and the experience is what you make of it.

        • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:53
          +2

          @scrimshaw:

          It's not the best place for females to work so pass on that.

        • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:56
          +6

          @altomic:

          I've heard Japan is quite patriarchial and that does not sit well for me. Especially the limited female employment advancement.

          Re China - have you been there? I went there for a while and spoke Mandarin (I studied it) and people LAUGHED IN MY FACE. I'm Nordic (blonde and blue eyed) and people are really really cruel so I wouldn't recommend it AT ALL, especially for young children if they have any sort of sensitivity..

        • altomic on 14/05/2016 - 16:27
          +15

          @Beethoven: Japan and patriarchy. think australia in the 1970's. at least that's how I read it 10 years ago. but to be fair it's a culture that is changing.

          however the thing with Japan is that - a foreigner will always be a foreigner. my boss there was african american. he was totally fluent in japanese (after living there for 20 years and marrying a japanese lady and having a child) - reading and writing (owned his own business). adult students I spoke to would say that they didn't know he was not japanese when they first spoke to him on the phone.

          as a foreigner (Gaijin) in Japan, it doesn't matter what gender you are. where you get work will be cool with it. you're not going to get a job in an everyday company, unless they are looking for someone who doesn't speak japanese, and then they'd be accomodating.

          actually being female can be advantageous. my wife did a lot of private english teaching and picked up some fantastic private clients who were very generous. she scored a position as head english teacher at an international school because she was female.

          I've went to china several times whilst living in Japan and since.

          Japanese People laughed at me for speaking Japanese. a few would say in Japanese "you can't be speaking japanese?!". and I'd respond in Japanese "really?!, that's weird"

          For most of my stay in Japan I lived in a city where there were few anglo foreigners. I was continually stared at. it didn't bother me. I was a foreigner in their country. I'm 184cms and towered over Japanese people. I met one Japanese guy who was my height the entire time. My hair is lightish brown as well. My wife, who was 165cms with quite dark straight hair (Austro-Hungarian) fitted in perfectly. infact, when she wore sunglasses…

          People aren't aren't actually cruel. people just have a hard time getting out of their own headspace. that's their issue. rise above it. take it as a compliment that you're making them uncomfortable with your skills. or maybe your mandarin did suck - not trying to be rude but reflecting on my own experience at first conversing in Japanese and not going to smoothly.

          possibily the mandarin you learnt may have been totally different from the mandarin they spoke. i.e. I initially learnt japanese but it was the formal form and with a "Kanto" dialect (Tokyo area). So when I moved to Sendai I was speaking a "weird" Japanese. E.g. I'd go to a cafe and say "good afternoon sir, may I please have a large cup of hot coffee, thank you very much for your politeness" -wierd formal tokyo japanese. where the accepted form would have been "Hi, big coffee. Ta". And every area of Japan has a dialect. even though there is "one" japanese language. at times it was like spanish vs italian -different yet so similar. how long were you in china? and where?

          my kids in china? - yeah, they'd stand out like crazy. but they'd know they are different - because outwardly they are. they can't escape that fact. yeah, but through them in the same room as some chinese kids and (with neither speaking each others language) and they'll be playing together within an hour. learning each others language in a few hours. give them a month and they'd be having conversations. - maybe I'm an idealist. I've travelled extensively with my children in Asia so they are open.

          What sort of work are you expecting?

        • Conka on 15/05/2016 - 11:47

          @Beethoven: can we ask what you do for a living?

          Is the idea to travel and continue your employment/career; or just to have a good time/experiences?

        • [Deactivated] on 15/05/2016 - 12:07
          +2

          @conka11:

          I studied maths so maths work. Finance or banking.

          Japan may be great for females who teach but what about traditionally male work?

          Work more than fun. Fun on the weekends and holidays. I need to start preparing for the future.

        • Conka on 15/05/2016 - 15:32
          +5

          @Beethoven: Nice! The world is your oyster. Pre-kids (~10 years ago), I did a bit of work in Europe in IT/finance. Certainly helps when you have experience, skills in demand ($+++) and an EU passport.

          My favourite place was Luxembourg. Lots of great little restaurants, bars, clubs and heaps of single, cashed up people looking to have a great time. It is only a small place though, so everyone knows everyone else.

          Anywhere is a short drive from Lux; FR, DE, BE, NL - and there is a heap to see and do all over that region.

          Now - don't do what I did and spend TOO much time in the pubs.

          We (my workmates and I - many ex-pats) quite often hired a car and drove for a few hours on a Friday afternoon to get somewhere. France/Swiss skiing was a common occurrence.

          Highly recommended. Would buy again. A+++++.

          That said, it was a LOOOONG time ago - YMMV.

        • [Deactivated] on 15/05/2016 - 15:51
          +2

          @conka11:

          Amazing. DONE!
          My dream job is in Luxembourg so hopefully i end up there.

          Thank you for this :)

        • Conka on 15/05/2016 - 19:21

          @Beethoven: You're welcome. What's the dream job?

          Hope you end up in the right place.

        • snapper on 15/05/2016 - 23:53

          @Beethoven: +1 for Luxembourg. I was in Belgium 2 years ago and drove to Luxembourg to experience another new country - very nice country/city.

        • secondstory on 17/05/2016 - 13:03

          @scrimshaw:

          I have heard / read that Japan is very conservative. e.g their stance on gay/lesbian issues.

          But I thought BL was a big thing there?

        • Scrooge McDuck on 18/05/2016 - 09:24

          @altomic:

          I could speak for hours on the strangeness/difference.

          どうぞ！

        • Scrooge McDuck on 18/05/2016 - 09:46

          @Myrtacaea:

          But I thought BL was a big thing there?

          There's a popular school-yard game in Japan, Kanchō, where participants clasp their own hands together with index fingers extended and attempt to poke it up the clacker of another "participant".

          I think Japanese conservativism is a common misconception. Two of my best friends at Uni were Japanese, and they were both perplexed by this belief.

          This article provides a decent outline of the issue:

          https://www.tofugu.com/japan/japan-conservative/

      • dogboy on 16/05/2016 - 14:26
        +4

        Japan is so much nicer than China. Not even in the same class.

    • Marcsie on 14/05/2016 - 10:11
      +5

      China ? lol

      • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:53
        +6

        China is not for me.

        • dogboy on 16/05/2016 - 14:24
          +8

          The biggest problem with China is the people - rude, pushy, arrogant, lazy, self centred with no hygiene or common decency. Worked and lived there for a few months and couldn't wait to get away. Lots of great places to go but the people pretty much ruin everything.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/05/2016 - 17:38
          -1

          @dogboy:

          So very very accurate.

        • jkcat on 16/05/2016 - 19:42
          -2

          @dogboy: Lazy? Care to elaborate?

        • [Deactivated] on 16/05/2016 - 22:15
          -1

          @jkcat:

          I don't know what they meant by lazy - perhaps their experience - but the rest is SOOOOOOOOOOOO accurate. Spot on.

        • dogboy on 17/05/2016 - 08:15

          @jkcat: Mainly referring to the people I was working with so is probably specific to my experience.

        • songford on 17/05/2016 - 21:17
          +3

          @dogboy:

          Generalization much?

          I myself am a Chinese so that I couldn't give OP a objective perspective on Chinese, but you probably can't establish a strong argument by saying that because the people you are dealing with are dodgy, the Chinese people, as a collective term, are dodgy as a whole.

          For myself, I always find the trains in Melbourne, especially westbound and northbound ones, smell very DIFFERENTLY every day. Some people are releasing the aroma that they haven't showered for at least a month. And there are also quite a lot of evil and rude thugs all over the place - in fact, more than I've seen combined in my whole life in China. And there are people that yell loudly into their phones in a common space. Don't get me wrong - I love Aussie people. But just hypothetically, can I make a statement that "Australian" are filthy and rude by my observation here? Hell, they are most certainly not!

          China is HUGE. I mean, mind-boggling huge. We've got all sorts of people there. Some of them are well-educated and mannered, while some of them are most certainly not, just like in the case of Oz.

          I'm not trying to revert your judgements here - you don't like China, I get it. I've stayed in Hong Kong as an exchange student for a month and god I was counting with my fingers the remaining days before I return to China from the second day I was there, so I could totally correlate to you. Mind you OP, Asian people are VERY racist. I mean, in some context they are almost as racist as American were in the 19th century. I will be blunt here, that the reason if there's any mistreat or unfairness took place while you were in China, could be just because you are white, and they don't give a sh*t about you. I've heard of a lot of bad comments on white people as a race unselectively back in China. I don't even want to list those stereotypes here because they are mostly offensive and stupid by themselves. I tried very hard to fend them off, just because I've got quite a fond experience in Oz and I find most of those racial slants extremely ignorant and unacceptable. But that's how it is. Japanese people might be more inward - that is, they probably will uphold their manners and not explicitly discriminate against you - but here's my humble 50 cents that they are as racist deep inside.

          So that I wouldn't advise OP consider any of the traditionally "Asian" countries, such as Japan, Korea or China. It's just too much effort trying to merge into the society just because you LOOK different. You could eventually restrain yourself into a foreigner-dominated small friend circle, and that is very depressing just by thinking of it.

      • OneMoreTune on 17/05/2016 - 12:11

        Exactly…. F that

    • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:54
      +6

      Thank you.
      I spent some time in China and it was not for me.

      • altomic on 16/05/2016 - 21:37

        How much time did you spend in China?

        • [Deactivated] on 16/05/2016 - 22:15
          +1

          More than enough.

        • altomic on 17/05/2016 - 07:09
          +1

          @Beethoven: very unspecific

    • FatBlanket on 14/05/2016 - 20:22
      +17

      I lived in China. Horrible place. I can't understand why anyone would think otherwise.

    • T-man on 15/05/2016 - 01:23
      +9

      Been there once and never want to go back, don't even think to live there.

      It's so polluted, the environment is so contaminating. The country is governed by a dictatorship, the people is very unfriendly…etc..

      • doodo477 on 15/05/2016 - 02:40
        +8

        I found mostly people were very friendly and accommodating.

        • Third_Gear on 15/05/2016 - 07:43

          People for me were all super friendly as long as you know some basic Mandarin. Numbers etc… I would never live there but I find it fairly easy to get around.

      • belongsinforums on 15/05/2016 - 07:58

        China is huge. The pollution only affects the east coast, badly

      • [Deactivated] on 15/05/2016 - 12:09
        +1

        Same. I studied Chinese and was good at it too. I planned on working at a bank there - hello the new superpower. Until I actually went there. So not what I expected.
        Shanghai I could consider only for 1-2 years in the expat area but nowhere else.

      • nobro25 on 17/05/2016 - 17:27

        You know you can buy Canned Australian Air in China for like $40 a can coz the air is that polluted there.

        • T-man on 17/05/2016 - 17:57

          Is it from Australia? I remember there is another canned air from Canada and It has gone viral on social networks.

        • altomic on 18/05/2016 - 13:38

          @divious: watch out for counterfeit Canned Australian Air in China. I went to a market in HK and there was a whole store selling fakes. things to look out for are the font size of the package (smaller than the original), and when you tap on the tin then there is more of vibration due to poorer quality air allowing for greater reverberation.

    • StewBalls on 15/05/2016 - 17:40
      +2

      +1 for China, I love the place, it's a madhouse…in a good way…totally disorganised organised chaos! ;)

    • ItsMeAgro on 16/05/2016 - 15:00

      I've lived in Japan (4 years) and England (2 years), plus extensive travel else where. For me, I'd go to China.

      So…. are you recommending a place you've never been too…?

      • altomic on 16/05/2016 - 21:41
        +1

        I've been there many times. And the post title is "which country would you relocate to?" Hence China. Giving details of my previous OS residencies was just to demonstrate that I have some experience in living else where.

    • onlyletters on 16/05/2016 - 21:19

      not to mention how polluted it is

  • shadowarrior on 14/05/2016 - 09:32
    +10

    Am partial towards Germany, and it's neighbouring countries. I used to visit almost every year as a kid to stay with my aunt in Berlin. I love history and was always intrigued with the vast history around the European countries. I love the weather there, the forests are so alluring, the old architectures so interesting :) And I could say I had breakfast in one country, lunch in another and dinner in a third :)

    • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 10:36
      +5

      Berlin's a great place to live and work. Loads to do, plenty of history and easy access other countries. A few hours drive and the culture can be very different over the border.

      London's nice and a safe choice with no language barrier. Dublin can be fun, I loved Northern France but you will need reasonable French skills to get the most out of it. NZ has some of the best scenery on the planet but might not be big enough a change for the OP.
      Eastern Europe in the few years after the Soviet collapse was an interesting place to travel around with completely wonderful people and terrible bureaucracy. Might be very different these days.

      Not lived in any Asian country for an extended period, so can't really judge them.

      Me, if I couldn't choose Aus or even NZ again I'd pick Germany. Or maybe Austria for the inevitable Austria/tralia confusion.

      • Lysander on 14/05/2016 - 12:11
        +4

        Second Germany or the Benelux countries. Quality of live there is the best (or, if you are not afraid of the costs, Switzerland). In those countries you will experience true freedom, multiculturalism, good inexpensive and healthy food, clean environment, healthy and clean environments, cheap (compared to Australia) high quality accommodation, exciting vibes in Berlin, Amsterdam and Brussels, history, tradition, art, music etc. And cheap flights to anywhere in Europe such as $30 return flights to London, Dublin, Paris, Rome etc.

        Note: the cheap living does not apply to Switzerland of course. But everything else above does also apply to Switzerland. And if you like snowboarding, skiing there is almost no better place to go.

        • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:57
          +2

          Thank you. I wanted Luxembourg (I sort of lined up employment there) but it fell through.
          I hope to spend a lot of time in those countries though.

          Liechtenstein FOR SURE.

      • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:57
        +3

        Thank you. I ADORE history so that definitely appeals to me.

      • Brianqpr on 16/05/2016 - 09:36

        Berlin is a great city. Cool, reasonably cheap, very easy to get around, not overcrowded, fascinating history and none of the nanny state nonsense we have here. I would be a terrific place to live and work and much of Europe is only a cheap flight (less than 3 hours in most cases) away.

        Budapest is another wonderful city. Again pretty cheap and lots of great bars and cafes. Stunning setting on the banks of the Danube with beautiful buildings everywhere. Again the rest of Europe is only a short and cheap flight away.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/05/2016 - 10:20

          none of the nanny state nonsense we have here

          I wouldn't necessarily say that, but it's definitely of a different type.

          The by-laws some councils have on, for example, noise or recyling (or both. Seriously, leave the bottle bank alone during quiet time. ) can seem fairly strict, the legal system is highly convoluted and weird oddities like the Church Tax can be very… different.
          It's also remarkably easy to fail the attitude test with the Polizei. Sie. Always Sie for the cops. Never Du.

          But, if you're reasonable, courteous, polite and aware of others, you'd never even notice this. It's like the way people drive over there. Autobahns work because the majority of people behave properly, so when a wild Porsche appears at a closing speed of Warp Factor 7, there's (usually) not complete mayhem.

    • cDNA on 14/05/2016 - 11:51
      +12

      Too many refugees, protests by fanatical right-wing groups and muslims

      • pandabun on 15/05/2016 - 08:21
        +11

        Don't know why you got negged
        With our current climate, this has become a concern for us as well.

        Having refugees is good but when the country can't cope with it. It'll be a big problem. Especially those who refuse to assimilate.

        I have nothing against Muslims. I grew up in indo and like other religions, there are good and bad with everything

      • Nynaeve on 15/05/2016 - 10:14
        +5

        Fanatical right wing groups? It's more like Mum, Dad and kids protesting. Have a look sometime at the people who don't want their kids raped and their country taken over. Do you have to be fanatical right wing to not want your country destroyed? Even leftists and centerists are concerned about what is going on.

        • LittleKatie on 15/05/2016 - 16:49

          But aren't the Chinese taking over Australia like Muslims in Europe?

        • StewBalls on 15/05/2016 - 17:34
          +12

          @LittleKatie: The difference is that the Chinese aren't promoting a draconian, misogynistic, supremacist, xenophobic theocracy like Islamic cultists.

        • frostman on 16/05/2016 - 08:33
          +3

          @LittleKatie: The Muslims aren't taking over Europe, that is a lie. They're escaping a war brought upon by the West which of course includes Europe. This is like smashing a wasp hive in your backyard and not expecting wasps coming into your house as a result. The Laws of Cause & Effect which the idiots of the West didn't truly appreciate (or under estimated)

          The result is that your entire suburb, say Chatswood in Sydney, is now rubble, house gone, no shops open and you are at a 99% chance you get killed with a barrel bomb, an IED or a sniper (if you're lucky) other risks are rape, torture and mutilation. As a result, the human brain naturally seeks the the path to safety. If the masses are going to X country in Europe, you cannot shout and request your own boat to take you to Brazil.

          If you think they're enjoying a perilous journey to end up in European slums than you're well and truly a lost individual. These people want to stay no longer than necessarily until the war ends and they see some light to return back to. If they loved Europe so much, they would have all sold their houses and shops 9 years ago and all traveled.

          Chinese invasion of foreign investment is real, they're sending their dirty money from China obtained through bribery to a safe haven here in AU and buying up land, property and infrastructure. There is no compulsion on them doing this other than financial greed.
          Look at most new apartments around the area, and you find them empty and just there as a financial asset for their corrupt minds back home. The problem with this is that IT IS IMPACTING us everyday, the property prices have risen sharply due to this demand thus throwing out the average joe from owning anything.

        • cDNA on 16/05/2016 - 10:18
          +7

          @LittleKatie:

          The Chinese just want our money, baby formula and land. They're harmless.

          lol

        • cDNA on 16/05/2016 - 10:20
          +3

          @frostman:

          I have no idea why you got negged. Your points are valid.

          The Chinese are laundering their money in the Australian housing market. I know of at least 10 of my Chinese friends with more than 3 houses each. Their parents worked in business and politics in China.

          They're decent and hardworking people, though.

        • frostman on 16/05/2016 - 10:30
          -1

          @cDNA: cDNA, OZB is now full of idiots where if the truth hurts, you get negged.

          None of the douchebags that negged me have the decency to refute what I said above.

        • walvisch on 17/05/2016 - 07:40

          @frostman: No use debating bullshit sprouting idiots like you, negging is a simpler solution. Don't worry it has no implications on your size!

        • frostman on 17/05/2016 - 08:08
          -1

          @walvisch: You still haven't had the decency to make one case point against any of my statements above, in that case to me you're like a barking dog whom I can ignore

        • hangdog on 17/05/2016 - 18:20
          +1

          @frostman:
          I doubt if foreign investment by Chinese nationals is anything but a negligible percentage of real estate transactions. Many people probably see permanent residents and Australian citizens of Chinese ethnicity bidding on property, and lump them into the "Chinese real estate invaders" category.

          I do agree entirely with you about the "Muslims taking over Europe/Australia/etc" lie. It's a shame that human compassion seems to matter less than far-right hate-mongering, to the extent that Australia now has concentration camps designed to break asylum seekers.

        • FutureTech on 18/05/2016 - 10:01

          @hangdog: Exactly, foreign nationals are not allowed to purchase second hand property so the Chinese seen in the auctions are all Australians.

        • Nynaeve on 18/05/2016 - 10:36

          @LittleKatie: If they were, I would't expect anyone who was against that to be belittled.

      • Brianqpr on 16/05/2016 - 09:39

        If you are referring to Berlin, I was there last month and saw no evidence of this at all. Quite the opposite in fact. A very laid back place with a relaxed feel and pace of life. Probably saw maybe 2 or 3 muslims in the week I was there and the only right wing types were in historical photos.

        Can't speak for other parts of the country but Berlin does not have these issues at all. Far more muslims in Australian cities. If that is a problem anyway.

    • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 15:59
      +2

      Thank you. Germany is my Mecca. For so many reasons - language, work opportunities, living, people, temperature etc.
      Oh and I LOVE LOVE LOVE their men.

      I hope to live there at one point. It's definitely in my top 3.

      • shadowarrior on 15/05/2016 - 01:49

        What are the other two countries in your top 3?

        • [Deactivated] on 15/05/2016 - 08:18
          +1

          From suggestions I guess it's more than 3 now - BENELUX (not a country), CANADA, ENGLAND and ISRAEL (thanks to the person below who reminded me how amazing it really is).

          The US doesn't appeal to me so much. At least not right now.
          And no to SE Asia.

  • outlander on 14/05/2016 - 11:30

    What sort of weather do you like?

    • [Deactivated] on 14/05/2016 - 20:23
      +5

      All of them…if possible on the same day, please:)

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