Rental Property - Upgrading Bin Sizes

Hey All,

We are a household of 5 renting a property in Coburg, Melbourne.

We only have the tiny (80 litre?) rubbish and recycling bin for our house which are definitely too small for a house of 5.
I have called the real estate about 8 times over the past 5 months to request larger bins, or at the very least a larger recycling bin, but each time they just say they will ask the landlord and that's as far as it ever goes.
I'm assuming he doesn't want to pay for the increased rates that come with larger bins, or the real estate doesn't even bother to ask as nothing has been done.

On top of this we have also requested a green bin as we have a huge garden which produces a lot of green waste.
Again nothing has been done about this and we now have a giant pile of clippings/weed etc in the back corner of the property which we can't dispose of.

Is there anything I can do? We are literally having to do tip runs every 3 or 4 months because we don't have enough room in the bins.
Every time I call the real estate they just say they will ask the landlord and get back to me. Nothing happens and a few weeks later I call with the same request.

Thanks,

Comments

  • +2

    A quick look at the Moreland City website (I assume this is you) says you can be the resolution to your own problems.
    You appear to be able to order a green bin yourself, for a 1-off fee. You can also apply for a larger rycycling bin which is considered on a case by case basis.
    But yes, rubbish attracts higher rates.

    hope that helps, maybe?

    • +7

      No, I called the council already and they said the Property owner is the only one who can request a Rubbish and Recycling bin upgrade.

      But yes, you're right about the green bin, we could pay like $100 and get one. Actually one time I called the real estate and they said go to Bunnings and buy a green bin, however I dont think we should have to pay for a green bin when we are renting a property with a huge garden… I may just end up buying one soon, but really don't think the cost should fall on us.

      • +1

        I assume that basic garden upkeep is part of your contract? Could you say that not having a green bin is preventing you from disposing of the waste so you are unable to do additional upkeep until it is rectified?

        And as others have said email them after you call them to follow up and keep a track of contact with the REA

        • +2

          Yeah it sure is. I will put that in the letter for sure.
          We were sent a letter once about not having the front lawn mowed, but turned out to be a mistake and the real estate sent it to the wrong house, good job Real Estate haha. Also they sent tree removalists to our house who were about to pull out our two olive trees until we called the real estate and found out they sent them to the wrong house… again. lol.

        • @SkMed: If garden upkeep is part of your contract then yes you should be entitled to be able to get a green bin (they should not STOP you from getting one), but whether you are entitled to a FREE Green bin (landlord pays), well if it's not in the contract that one is included, then I doubt it.

          The fee is what, $50 per year? Small change compared to the cost of your rent. Is it really worth pissing off your landlord over a $50 per year. If you worry about such petty items, your Landlord will then jack up your rent as soon as they can to recoup costs/teach you a lesson. Just keep a receipt in case you are ever in dispute with the landlord.

          I would just offer the landlord for the cost of the bin to do it.

          Also councils generally are easier to get an extra recycling bin from then an extra garbage bin.

      • +3

        Buy the green bin, then its yours.

        You know you're up for tip fees if you dont anyway.
        When you move, take the bin with you (I'd keep receipt/scan it for future reference).

        They are very handy things to have around the house, even if the new place already has one.
        Great for big gardens or makeshift water tanks in rentals.

        In regards to the bin sizing, if owner is that much of a cheapskate to not even upgrade the bin size for you (a reasonable request… he's not renting out a 1 bed apartment!), I'd seriously consider moving. This is not the type of land lord you want long term.

        Either that or suck it up and again, buy a bin yourself.

        • +1

          Yeah I maybe just pay the 100 bucks for the green bin and then will keep it.

          When it comes to the other bins we aren't able to just buy bigger bins. Only the landlord can approve and order larger bins which the council will pick up and we aren't receiving a response.

          The real estate hasn't even mentioned if its an issue with the landlord not wanting to pay more neither have they suggested we pay a little more rent to cover the costs of larger bins, there is just nothing being done at all on the RE/Landlords side which is the issue. Ideally they would pay for the cost of the larger bins, but with all the tip runs we have to do i'm sure its cheaper (and easier) for us to just pay a bit extra rent even though its an oversight by the RE/landlord.

          I think a likely story is that a rental increase for us to cover the cost would mean the RE will have to do actual work adjusting our rent, paperwork etc.

        • The council owns the bins, to upgrade size means you need to pay an additional fee per year. The council will then come out and swap your small bin for the larger one.

        • +1

          @CLoSeR: our council says
          Garbage bin (red lid)
          You will need to pay for an additional waste service if you require an extra garbage bin or a larger one. The additional waste charge is $298.07 per annum for a supplementary 140 L red lid bin only or $525.00 per annum for an additional service, which also includes recycling and green waste bins. Please contact Council online to request an additional or larger bin.

          So there's an additional yearly charge to have a bigger bin

          Just do bin runs. That's what we do.

  • +1

    What's everyone around you using? Same?

    • +2

      Some houses have the same as us, a few have bigger ones. It's a mix.

      • +1

        Find out how others got bigger bins. It's most likely cost related.

        • +1

          Yeah the property owner has to pay a few hundred extra a year in rates to have larger bins.

        • +1

          @supnigs: Of course he wants it for free. We are on OZBArgain site, right?

        • +5

          @cameldownunder: what about if the landlord is also OzBargain?

        • +3

          @supnigs: Honestly I'm surprised a 4 bedroom property can be rented out with only tiny bins. I would have expected them to be bigger, especially with 5 people on the lease. Really it should have been thought about by the landlord when he rented the place out. Even if there were only 4 of us we would have excess rubbish.

          But at this point im sure paying a few dollars extra a month will be cheaper and less time consuming than making tip runs, so maybe I should suggest we pay, however I really dont think we should have to if the landlord wants his property kept clean and rubbish free.

        • +1

          @supnigs: Then he is screwed!

        • -1

          @SkMed: Should be motivation for you to consider what you throw away.

        • +1

          @SkMed: property must be kept in similar state as received. You'll just end up paying for cleanup anyway.

          Not everyone generates the same amount of rubbish. Obviously the council thinks it's reasonable to begin with.

        • +1

          @cameldownunder: I'm always very conscious of what I throw away. I don't buy useless crap (like a couple of my housemates do) and recylce/compost as much as I can etc. But unfortunately its the nature of Share housing.

        • +2

          @supnigs: It is the landlord who thinks it's reasonable not the Council. He is the one who ordered the bins in the first place.

        • +1

          @SkMed: We are a family of 6 and only have the small garbage bin but we do have a recycling bin. Honestly, if I was the owner I would ensure you had all three bins but I would only pay for the smaller garbage bin. It also sounds like you have a crappy agent who may not be contacting the owner at all.

        • +2

          @robbyjones: Im going to say it is probably easier to manage garbage output being a family. We are a share house we are generating rubbish of 5 Adults, plus GF's/BF's who stay occasionally, as well as hosting social events like wood fire pizza nights, games nights, bbq's pretty regularly with our friends and families, this obviously adds to the output of garbage, but even when we aren't doing anything like that (ie. winter) then the tiny bins still aren't enough.

  • +3

    I think to be fair, during inspection the bin are there for you to use, Landlord set the rent base on the out going as well. It add cost to the landlord and that what he is not expected.

    If you tell them that you could increase $3-5 rent per week and they will be more than happy to order it for you.

    Also the glass can also going into the red bin which they can use as "Gap filler", it is not the best but you still can remove them bit by bit. Also you can ask your neighbor if they don't mind you fill up their bins if they are not using it.

    • +3

      There weren't actually any bins around when we did the inspection. They were delivered brand new when we were moving in. We didn't really take note of their size and only found they were too small after being there about 4 or 5 months. Anyway, I would rather just pay a few more dollars a month than pay for expensive tip runs every few months.

      Sorry, Not sure what you mean about the red bin/gap filler….

      • +1

        I mean you clippings/weed can go into the red bin and I think there will be some gap in your red bin every week.

        Contact the agent with your intention to pay for the cost of the larger bins, i think they will get back to you quickly.

        • +1

          Sorry, still not sure what you mean. We don't have Red bins in Melbourne. Just Yellow Recycling, Black Rubbish (general waste) and Green (for lawn clippings and such).

        • @SkMed:

          i means Black Rubbish bin then, as we had red for rubbish in NSW

        • +1

          @LoveBargain15: Oh right. No, we don't have any room at all. Thats the issue. Our Recycling+General waste bins are too small for our house of 5. We fill them both every week and then usually have another bag or two of rubbish/recycling that wont fit so we have to store these in the garage then take them to the tip every few months, so definitely no room for green waste.

        • @LoveBargain15: You shouldn't put green waste in general waste bins.

        • +1

          @BestofOZB:

          It is OK in some council areas and are instructed to do in Sydney i.e. Blacktown.

        • +1

          @SkMed: just as a side point, in Nillumbik we have red rubbish bins.

        • +1

          @tomsco: is that melbourne? :P Haha, I've lived in Melb for 12 years and never seen a red bin!… What is it for?

        • +2

          @SkMed: for rubbish. Trust me, first time I moved out here, thought it was crazy. And because it's the "green shire", our rubbish bins only get taken once a fortnight. Mostly it's fine, but you have the occasional fortnight where it's a stretch.

        • @SkMed: I live in the eastern suburbs. We have red bins (red lid).

          http://www.monash.vic.gov.au/Services/Rubbish-Recycling/Rubb…

        • @SkMed:

          I'm guessing you live out west or up north.

          The whole of the east and south east has red bins.

          They are for general waste.

        • @MikeyR: OP lives in Coburg.

        • @SkMed:

          Red is the new Australian standard for general rubbish. It'll be decades before it becomes uniform across the country.

  • +3

    Have you put this is writing to the REA? A phone call can easily be forgotton and probably has. Outline the reasons why you require a bin upgrade and green bin and offer to pay the extra difference it will cost on the rates. Do some research on these price differences with the council before you start so you have a point to negotiate from.

    • +1

      No we haven't sent anything in writing yet. Thats exactly what I will be doing this week.

      Was hoping we wouldn't have to pay for something like this since it's a large property, but guessing at this point we are the ones who will end up having to pay :(

  • +5

    Just do what I do = sneak across the road in the middle of the night before bin day and shove your excess rubbish in the neighbour's bins…

    • +1

      Haha used to do this at our old place, but dont think I could get away with it on my street. Neighbours are really nosey round here. They get pissy if I park my car in front of their house and not my own! lol. They go out and put the windcreen wipers up if we park there and leave notes telling us not to park in front of their house… on the public road… lol.

      And its not a busy street. There is plenty of parking and most houses are large and span 2-3 car lengths out front, its just that they dont like cars parked in front of their houses. lol.

      • Isn't that fair request from your neighbours? I'd prefer to have a clearway in front of my house…I'm sure you're not breaking any specific laws or whether you have any alternatives. What do you do on collection day?

        Our neighbours actually park on the street in front of their house (2 cars) and across the road in front of their house (1 car). There is a park opposite the neighbours so I guess no one complains, but I do prefer them not parking in front of our house. Maybe I'll leave a note saying thanks!

        • +7

          Um, no, I wouldn't say that is fair request at all!

          You can't expect people not to park in a public car space just because its in front of your house. Sometimes the neighbours park in front of our place and we don't care at all. if they take up all spaces in front of our house then we just park a few houses down, its no big deal… well it shouldnt be, but now we have a list of places we don't park in just to make the neighbours happy which is pretty annoying.

          Also FYI These people don't actually use the spaces. They all have garages and only 1 or 2 cars. They just like to complain and keep them free for no reason other than they want to.

        • +1

          On collection day? Not sure what you mean. The car spaces/rubbish collection aren't really related. Was just telling BigTed that my neighbours are picky/nosey and wouldn't allow us to put rubbish in their bins (which is fair enough)

        • +3

          @SkMed: agree, ridiculous request. You don't own the street outside your house.

        • +4

          On a public road it's fair game to park wherever you like. Some people view the parking spots out the front of their place as an extension of their private property.

          I had someone actually come out to ask me not to park in front of their place!

          Told them, "thank you for addressing your concerns to me madam, however I do believe the street is a public area that allows any registered vehicle to stand upon it whilst abiding by the local parking regulations" (or words to that effect anyway).

      • +3

        leave notes telling us not to park in front of their house

        If someone did that to me i'd go out of my way to park in front of their place every day.

        • What about if the guy was as big as bubba?

        • +2

          @supnigs: If he was big as Bubba (whoever that is) he wouldn't be leaving passive aggressive notes.

          Just leave one on your windscreen saying, "Don't touch my wipers and while you're at it, …. off!"

  • +4

    When ever I have had problems with rental company's or property mangers in my rentals. I've just emailed the CEO of the company. Gets a response and action quick smart

  • -4

    My bins go missing all the time - damn rascal kids on the street hint hint

    • +1

      Is the hint that the OP should rob some old lady of her rubbish bin? Because I'm hoping I'm wrong here.

      • +1

        That would be one option … but not what I was suggesting.

        • +1

          haha, well, we did that with our last share house. But to be fair that was a 9 bedroom house and they only gave us one recycling and one garbage bin lol.

        • My neighbour has 4 garbage bins (all are always full to overflowing) and not a single one of them is registered to his address - we have a website to look at what bin is on what day and it lists it down to house number. He must be stealing them as his house hasn't passed occupation for council- at least one set was mine- so I don't condone that - but if yours went missing they could deliver a replacement and then the other may mysteriously appear again.

          It's a double edged sword I hate paying over $4000 for rates a year which is partially to subsidise his free rubbish collection but I'd prefer that to his rubbish on the street.

        • @maximum:

          He must be stealing them as his house hasn't passed occupation for council- at least one set was mine- so I don't condone that - but if yours went missing they could deliver a replacement and then the other may mysteriously appear again.

          Bingo!

          I hate paying over $4000 for rates a year

          Where do you live? Auburn, NSW? I suspect you're subsidising a the councillors fast cars habit more than anything else

  • +2

    OP I'd start overfilling your bin so it's spewing out onto your nature strip. Very soon you're agent or landlord will receive complaints and you'll get a bigger bin fairly quickly.

    • +1

      Only problem is the OP will need to clean up the mess.

      • +2

        But will the notice go to the tenant or the rate payer?

    • +2

      you know the funny part. The landlord lives across the road. So i'm sure this would get his attention.

      • +11

        Are you serious? then you should be dumping your extra rubbish in his bin

        • +2

          ^This. It is a landlords decision (and responsibility) to provide upgraded bins. I know because I am a landlord and had a similar request which I didn't hesitate to provide. Your landlord sounds like a jerk if he is receiving the request and not doing anything about it. Rates are tax deductible and its not a massive difference anyway in cost per year. Put it in writing to the REA. If it fails again talk to the landlord directly. Face to face confrontation is hard to ignore.

  • If you need bigger bins you will need to pay for the upgrade. You can't expect the landlord to cover the cost every year with rates up plus the cost of the bins

    • +1

      I'm pretty sure the landlord would be getting a higher amount thanks to having 5 tenants in there rather than just a couple. Think they will manage.

      • Are you a landlord yourself? If the property is like a boarding house sure add a bit of rent to compensate the upgrade costs. If you want it for free no way eg. Family of five.

        Standard size is given. Even if the owners lives there not renting he needs to pay the upgrade as well. What makes you think you don't need to pay a cent to get bin upgrades. Bloody stingy Ozbargainers

        • The problem is that while we would rather the LL cover it being a reasonable request and only a small fee, we are open to the idea of us paying slightly more rent to cover the cost of the upgrade. However they wont even allow us to do that! At the moment it is just a straight up no, he will not upgrade your bins, end of story, have fun swimming in your garbage tenants.

        • +1

          Normal bins in Sydney are 140l - he's got 80l. That's a small bin and ridiculous for a 5 bed house.

  • +1

    Just put it in writing
    The landlord is responsible

    But all too common now for agents to kiss owners arse while ignoring any responsibility

    Do not buy any bins
    Just get some cheap garbage bags for your grass clipping and drop at the back of the real estate office

    • Sure you can just move out. Someone else will come rent it with less rubbish,or willing to pay a bit more rent to upgrade to bigger bin. If you want it free. Go dream

      Telling people to drop things at real estate office? Are you seriously or joking. You will get fined,possibly getting a criminal record?

      • We ARE Willing to pay extra rent, but at the moment they aren't even considering this as an option.

        • -3

          maybe if you paid more rent they might let you do it

  • -2

    May not work, but generating less waste, less general rubbish. We are a household of 5 as well, we hardly fill up out bin. We have half a bin most weeks. So buy less plastic packaging etc. Throw out less.

    The recycling bin is ways full or over flowing. Need to cut down on boxes and packaging.

    The green waste is your responsibility to remove. Some people pay a gardener to cut and remove grass clippings etc.

    • -1

      So I offer constructive advice on how someone could over come an issue without spending more money and you poo poo it.

      I thought it was oz bargain not oz spending. What ever.

      • +1

        Haha, I like your thinking but this isn't really feasible or a solution. I can't control my housemates rubbish output and tell them what to do with their money. Are you a household of 5 adults sharing a rental property or a family? Because if you are a family then you are comparing apples to oranges.

        • Fair enough.
          Didn't realise all adults.

          All I can suggest is try reducing your waste somehow. Haha

          Can you get a replacement bin?
          If you current one is stolen or lost, you can get another.

        • @diddy50: Yeah 5 adults; 3 singles and 1 couple. Sometimes our GF's and friends stay over too which adds to output, but even without them the small bins aren't enough for 5 adults working full time. I agree though, reducing output would be great, but even if we did it would still always be a stretch to fit everything in the bins.

          No, to upgrade the bin requires the Landlords permission as he has to pay an extra $100 or so a year in rates which is the issue.

  • +1

    My 2c, I'd be pushing for the LL to pay for it all. They can claim a tax deduction for the ongoing cost of the red bin, and if you go the council route for the green bin, even if you pay for it, I doubt the LL/REA would be keen on you taking it with you at the end of your lease.

  • +4

    The smart thing to do is make I easy for your tenants to maintain your property as ultimately everyone benefits
    Make it hard and you are causing resentment which may manifest in any number of ways
    Would you prefer tenants who care or people who say why bother getting up and cleaning gutters, if it floods through the roof who cares
    We'll Just go rent another neglected moldy rotting hole

    • +2

      This is how you should pitch it to your agent/landlord! You are having difficulty maintaining the property.

  • Maybe you could look at reducing your waste? After recycling, composting and returning soft plastics to a recycle bin (usually located at your local coles or woolies) there isn't much left over. This is a good facebook page to get ideas from https://www.facebook.com/groups/zerowastetasmania/

  • -1

    When we moved in to our house, we already had a large bin. The only times we came close to filling it was when we had both kids in nappies. Now it is generally only 1/4 - 1/3 full every week. On our rates, it costs $154 for the privilege of having a larger bin (different states/councils may have different $ amounts).
    Considering the real estate agent and the landlord dont seem to be in a rush to do anything, it might be time to really sit down and look at how much waste you use. I know you said that on your own you are fairly conscious of what you use, but if you are all friends in the share house, you should be able to broach the topic with them. If you are having frequent bbq's, social gatherings, perhaps you could ask friends to take a bag of rubbish home? We often take rubbish home from friends parties, because they don't have room in their bin.
    Good luck.

    • Oh I have bought it up with the housemates. I have managed to get them using the Compost actively and crushing their boxes properly which was a bit of an effort. But two of them especially love to buy/collect (what I consider) useless junk, and i'm super minimalistic, but I cant tell them what to do with their money.

      Even if we all manage to reduced out total waste output to fit into the tiny bins each week it would still be an issue if someone goes out one week and buys something with excess packaging (TV, Bike, guitar etc) or has a few friends over etc then we will still be storing bags of rubbish which isn't really a solution. Also most friends would usually ride over, or take an Uber etc so usually not practical for them to take a bag of rubbish with them.

      I have actually asked for just the Recycling to be increased if we can only have one as thats the one we really struggle with. having just that increased would probably solve everything.

  • +1

    Does the tightarse landlord living across the road have a big bin?
    Take it and leave a ransom note.
    If our demands are not met the bin gets it!
    Take a wheel off and leave it on their front lawn so they know your serious.

  • +1

    Just got a response from the real estate after sending them an email today.

    All it says is that they have asked the landlord and he has denied our request to upgrade either of the bins, and denied our request for a green bin… Thats it, no suggestions of a potential solution, just nope. Good work as usual RE.

    • +1

      I guess you won't be able to perform you garden maintenance duties.

    • Thats it, no suggestions of a potential solution, just nope. Good work as usual RE.

      From the landlords perspective, the RE did a good job - saved him several hundred dollars in the short term!

    • +2

      That's one stingy as landlord.

    • +1

      As others have pointed out, get one of these

      http://drunkendev.com/sacks.html

      $23/month. There are 5 adults in the place, I'm sure you guys/girls can split the cost!

      • Cool thanks for the suggestion.

        • sadly if you have been knocked back by the owner, you don't really have many choices. The owners don't have to provide you a larger bin than the standard size one.

          so you're options are something like the sack, or tip trips like you have been doing.

          As you're all adults, maybe someone can take some rubbish to work as well to help reduce the 'waste'. Maybe one of them have a cardboard bin at work? So put all the cardboard to one side and that will save room in the other bins you have etc.

        • @Level380: We all ride/public transport to work so that isn't really possible either. I already do put the cardboard to one side and we already have tonnes of it in our garage. We also have a wood fire pizza oven so when we use that I burn as much as I can before throwing the wood too. haha.

    • +1

      Looks like all your excess rubbish will be ending up in front of your LL's house :p

  • Hi there if you check your lease agreement there should be the number of your landlord, if not there should at least be a name. Anyway just give him or her a call and have a chat about the bins.

  • We use a 3rd party for our extra rubbish. As a family of 5 kids & 2 adults, we go through a lot so we pay an extra $23 a month for a canvas skip. Cheaper than upgrading your rubbish bin via the council

    Tidy Sak

  • I'm in Darebin and, while 80L bins are standard, 120L bins are free for households of 5 ppl or more…

  • Time to start using your landlord bins as well.
    I wonder what would happen if you just called up the council as your landlord?

    • You actually need to fill out a from and send it in

  • +1

    Gee in the future it might be worth specifying bin size in the rental contract so the LL can't screw over large families like this.

    What has the world come to?

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