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  Balls on 30/09/2016 - 15:23

  +1

  i can stack 3x Aldi's 65" next to each other for the price, 12k resolution?

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    get-innocuous on 30/09/2016 - 15:41

    +4

    for 12k resolution you'd need 9 Aldi 65" TVs

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      Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 15:56

      +4

      TCL TVs are actually fairly decent picture quality for the price.

      Much better than Aldi's Bauhn brand anyway.

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        get-innocuous on 30/09/2016 - 16:22

        Yup, I actually have a 42" one that I got 5 years ago and, apart from the inability to turn overscan off, I am very happy with it.

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  Chef-Johnson on 30/09/2016 - 15:25

  +2

  2.5k for a TCL, can't be real

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    garage sale on 30/09/2016 - 18:58

    many of the brands we think are tops in australia are mid range in china and vice versa …. you see a lot of big adds on buildings for tcl in china.

    bit like xioami …… crap brand in australia big brand in china.

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      Chef-Johnson on 30/09/2016 - 19:57

      I did see xioami just released a 70inch a few days ago, wonder what the quality is like

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        Steptoe on 30/09/2016 - 20:26

        …and the price?

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  KOBH on 30/09/2016 - 15:27

  -5

  I wait for the Sony 75" 4K HDR to drop below 3K by Xmas.

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    van41 on 30/09/2016 - 16:31

    -4

    keep waiting lol

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  fritz and sauce on 30/09/2016 - 16:13

  Just bought a big screen TV. I would have had to have a look at this.

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  nubzy on 30/09/2016 - 16:19

  I am not impressed with the LCD screens of today. Really bad vertical banding/DSE on any size above 55". Even on the top end brands like LG/Sony etc. Not good enough when spending 3k+ and can only assume that it would be even worse on cheaper panels. So distracting when watching documentaries with sky, or playing Forza Horizon 3. No such issues on old 40" screen, new 65" LG has it bad..

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    Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 16:27

    I agree but find manufacturers are really pushing the bigger sizes/UHD now and putting crappy components into everything else.

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    StewBalls on 30/09/2016 - 16:32

    +1

    I tend to agree, I say bring back plasma for the blacks.

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      Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 16:33

      How about OLED? Has better blacks than plasma..

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        nubzy on 30/09/2016 - 16:43

        OLED is fine but only for the rich at the moment. I could never justify 6.5k on a TV. Was happy to pay 2.8k for our LG at JB for a one day special (normally around 3.3k is the best price) but you can tell that it is made pretty cheaply. My Bravia is over 8 years old and cost around the same, but it oozes quality with a nice glass frame and solid build, and of course made in Japan. No issues with picture at all. I wanted the upgrade to 4k and a bigger screen. I'm very happy with the picture, but this damn dirty screen effect is ruining the experience for me - every time I watch a documentary or play FH3 on Xbox, it is right there in my face even without looking for it. I tested a top of the line Sony in JB the other day and it had the same issue - so it affects all LCD/LED panels. Only way to avoid is to spend big $$$ on OLED or buy a Plasma on the used market. I think alot of people must not see it, but once you do see it, you cannot unsee it..

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        Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 16:52

        +2

        I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that it affects all panels by looking at two TVs. I think you might be exaggerating a bit there. Although I do agree that it is worse this year than previously.

        Regarding OLED pricing they are much more affordable now. Latest gen OLEDs were recently selling @ $5K for 4K 65" and $3K for the 55". If you're willing to go FHD like I did you can even pick up the 55" FHD OLED for $2k.

        Still expensive but I think worth it for the technology. Much cheaper than the $10k people were paying for Pioneer Kuro plasmas back in the day.. =P

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        nubzy on 30/09/2016 - 17:01

        @Ryballs: The salesman said they see it on just about every panel, to varying degrees. I tend to agree. I am considering swapping it over for another of the same model, as I think it is particularly bad in this case. But it is a bit of a hassle. Not really happy to put up with it for the next 5+ years though.

        I have not seen any 65" OLED UHD for 5k. Might even consider to upgrade to it at that price, but not 6.5k which is what JB has them at. It is still expensive for a TV IMO and I am sure that OLED will come down in price quite alot in the next year or two. Pretty good deal at 2k for 55" 1080p, but I wanted to update to 4k now that I have the One S console and Netflix looks great in 4k.

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        Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 17:07

        Oh yeah it is getting worse definitely. I would always check rtings first for their opinion as they are quite harsh on DSE.

        There was a good guys sale recently where a few lucky people on WP got a OLED65B6/C6 for $5036.

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      Kewok on 30/09/2016 - 16:35

      What were wrong with plasma's anyway? Why'd they phased out? I bought one a few years back and still runs like a champ.

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        Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 16:56

        +4

        Used too much power, too hard to make 4K, cost more than LCD to produce, not as bright as LCD, thicker and heavier, the list goes on..

        The fact that they had better picture quality was irrelevant. People care more about numbers on a piece of paper now than actual reality..

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        [Deactivated] on 30/09/2016 - 18:09

        @Ryballs:

        They may have had better picture quality than their peer LED/LCDs of the time, but modern LEDs (like a high end Sony), look much better. My old man has a Kuro and one of those high end Panasonic 60 inch Plasmas (both live at the beach house now), and has last years 70 inch Sony 4K. The Sony looks much better than both in every way.

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        Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 18:20

        +1

        You're entitled to that opinion but I disagree.

        Personally I can't stand LCDs with their light bleed, narrow viewing angles and mediocre contrast. Probably why I jumped straight from plasma to OLED.

        I love my OLED (once you go true black you don't go back) but even that still isn't as good as plasma in some areas like motion and low quality sources. Many ethusiasts still prefer them.

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        GreatWhiteHunter on 30/09/2016 - 22:24

        @Ryballs:

        Plasma also weren't great in a room with light coming in.

        In a theatre room they are awesome, in a lounge room with sunshine coming in, pretty crap.

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        Ryballs on 30/09/2016 - 22:31

        Most TVs don't perform great in direct sunlight but yes plasma is worse than LCD in that regard. Although easy fix with some blinds.

        Plasma is better than LCD in pretty much every other way that matters though.. Higher contrast, better motion and more accurate colours.

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        Employeeugoagogo @ The Good Guys on 01/10/2016 - 01:37

        +1

        @Ryballs:
        yeh i've sold these things for years and its not unusual for a customer to ring and say that their new lcd tv is not as good as the 5 year old plasma they are replacing …. it happens often enough in fact that when i find out they are replacing a plasma i warn them before they buy an lcd.

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        [Deactivated] on 01/10/2016 - 08:54

        @Ryballs:

        I think OLEDs are great as long as they are 4K. The 1080P versions look like shit. But a high end LED is very close to a 4K OLED. I also don't think HDR makes a huge difference. a high end LED without HDR is largely indistinguishable from one with. But conversely, the difference between a SUHD HDR Samsung and my crappy low end 4K 65inch Samsung is night and day. It's all about the quality of the individual TV.

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        Ryballs on 01/10/2016 - 10:01

        I have a 1080p OLED and can guarantee you it does not look like shit.

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        [Deactivated] on 01/10/2016 - 21:47

        @Ryballs: It does compared to a good 4K LED. You can see the bloody pixels.

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        Ryballs on 02/10/2016 - 01:40

        @thorton82: You must sit unusually close to your TV or have superhuman vision because I'm 2.5m away and I'm not seeing any pixels.

        It's common knowledge that contrast ratio is the most important aspect of picture quality. Most LCDs, whether they're 4K or not, have a native contrast of around 1000:1, but some can get as high as 5000:1. Plasma is 1000000:1 and OLED is infinity:1. In my opinion once you've had infinite contrast there's no going back.

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        [Deactivated] on 02/10/2016 - 10:17

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        @Ryballs: until you get 4K. As I've said before, it's like pulling out your old iPhone 3GS having used an iPhone with a Retina display for years. The 3GS, which looked amazing when you got it, looks absolutely terrible when you look at it again. You can see all the pixels which were never there before. That's what a 1080P display looks like to anyone who owns a 4K tv. The difference is remarkable. It makes the 1080P LG OLED, which otherwise looks great in terms of blacks and colours, look absolutely terrible. A good LED is so close on perceivable blacks (but granted, not the same), it is the obvious better choice at 4K.

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        Ryballs on 02/10/2016 - 14:16

        @thorton82: I guess you know better than the industry experts then since the 55EC930T beat all the 4K LCDs in the 2014 Value Electronics Shoot-out: https://www.cnet.com/au/news/lg-wins-value-electronics-shoot…

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        [Deactivated] on 02/10/2016 - 14:19

        @Ryballs: No, I have eyes, the don't have an agenda, and they don't lie.

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        Ryballs on 02/10/2016 - 14:20

        @thorton82: Sounds like a case of rose-tinted glasses to me..

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        [Deactivated] on 02/10/2016 - 14:25

        @Ryballs: I'm not the one who owns the blurry glasses mate, I don't need to block out those horrible pixels. The fact of the matter is your link provides one opinion, but there are a thousand links that disagree with your contention, ie http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/598524/which-flagshi…

        That's not to say OLED doesn't have its merits, but the first generation 1080p models were plain rubbish. It's great that you are happy with it, but the 4K models are considerably better. If they made a decent 70+ inch 4K OLED at a decent price, I would get one. But I would never waste my money on a 1080p TV regardless of the technology.

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        Ryballs on 02/10/2016 - 14:30

        -1

        @thorton82: Okay I get it. All the reviewers and experts are wrong and you're right.

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        [Deactivated] on 02/10/2016 - 14:46

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        @Ryballs: Well that's clearly not what I said, I even demonstrated as much with a link. It's clear that you didn't even read my last post, because it's not what you want to hear, being that you wasted a tremendous amount of money on a small, outdated television. All the reviewer's do not agree with you, indeed your actual TV is widely seen as flawed, (and like I said, the newer 4K TVs are generally considered much better).

        http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2014/10/lg-s-oled-tv…

        and the pixels:

        http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-oled-technology-flat-panels…

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        Ryballs on 02/10/2016 - 17:30

        Think what you want but the fact is majority of professional reviewers disagree with you. That means you're the one who's cherry picking here, not me.

        By the way I'm extremely happy with the purchase of my OLED, thanks for asking. Neither myself or anyone watching the TV have ever noticed the pixels. They do notice the infinite contrast though.. ;)

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        [Deactivated] on 02/10/2016 - 23:14

        @Ryballs: This argument seems circular. AVS forum is hardly cherry picking, that is the go to place for videophiles. I have sourced multiple reputable sources. You have provided a single link to a renowned pay for promotion website. The number of links don't really matter though, your eye sight is what concerns me.

        Here:

        https://www.specsavers.com.au/

        I think it's funny that you are trying to make out that I have some kind of agenda. I don't. I don't care about TVs. I have no preference for any kind of television, just the one that looks the best. I like OLED TVs, as I have admitted to in multiple posts, I like LEDs too. I am merely posting an observation, which I have no reason to make up, and other people see and have reported the same thing (see the avsforum link). You seem to take offence to this.

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        Ryballs on 03/10/2016 - 17:50

        @thorton82: Want some sources? Here you go: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=55EC9300+review

        I honestly can't find any reviewers that are that bothered by the pixel density. Not to the point where they give it a bad score anyway. Even the review you posted doesn't appear to mention it.

        Unless I go right up to the TV I just can't see the pixels. I was happy with a 720p plasma before this though so maybe I am blind. I really think it depends on how far you are sitting though. I'm probably closer to 3m away so maybe that's why I can't see it.

        Anyway I can't be bothered arguing with you about this anymore. In the end something that bothers you might not necessarily bother me. But that's okay, because that's life. So.. Truce? :P

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      garage sale on 30/09/2016 - 18:59

      love my plasma ….. glass screen and i can clean it with paper towel and winded…. unlike plastic lcd screens.

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  Steptoe on 30/09/2016 - 20:36

  Any opinions on this vs. 70" HiSense 7000 series

  https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/267244

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    Enjj0y on 30/09/2016 - 21:05

    +1

    Hisense is good brand we are using 55inch 4k & happy with quality bought for $960 something.

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  Enjj0y on 30/09/2016 - 21:04

  +1

  Yes we complaint.
  We want new oled at LCD price. We don't want to pay premium for new latest tech. We were comparing HD with fhd now fhd price with 4k. It is our right on ozb.
  Xiaomi tv s3 65inch with home theater is $2k+. Now that's expensive from China because our expectations are cheap for Chinese brand. Now question is where is cheaper price then China for new tech? 🤔

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    [Deactivated] on 02/10/2016 - 00:57

    In English please.