Hi, I'm a teenager on my Ls right now but I'm looking for a fairly cheap but good hybrid car to drive around. I'm considering the 2015 Honda Jazz as it's cheap and very well reviewed. But I'm open to any suggestions.
My criteria is:
- Under 20k
- Has to be electric or hybrid at least (unfortunately cannot afford a Tesla)
- Fairly new model with good technology (so after 2010s at least) with good interior.
- High safety rating
PS: I know nothing about cars
Thanks in advance!
You can and will be able to find fully electric iMiev and if you are very lucky a Leaf. I picked up the latter for 22k back in Feb and havent looked back. Best car I have ever owned and extremely happy with it. Dealers are still listing them around 30k but there's a haggle factor there, however if you find a private seller you can get Thu em cheaper (you just have to check carsales often and wait, 2 weeks ago one went for 19990).
By the way, ditch the ICE all together and you have a super reliable extremely low maintenance vehicle that runs on nothing. If you ever need to go somewhere this thing doesn't, you can just hire a car with the money you save, although I bet one of your family or friends will gladly swap you for a week.
In April I had a look for Mievs and Leafs in my area. There were only 2 of each on sale and the prices were still $30k+. One Miev had only done 9000km, giving it a depreciation of over $2 per kilometre traveled. Ouch.
I would love to own an electric vehicle. This year I purchased a diesel for the first time and hope it will be my last ICE car. The limited range of the vehicle is a huge factor for me. A relative's house is 90km round trip away, and if I didn't have a full charge before embarking on the trip I might not make it (charging at his place isn't possible).
I have been watching these cars for a couple of years and I don't think I have seen one iMiev for over 30k, so I can only imagine you were unlucky to see that. Usually they are 20k give or take 3k.
Regarding the 90k round trip, you'd be amazed at how organised you can be if you need to be (which you do). There are also a few things around that allow you to be more mobile eg. A short stop off at a friends on the way, or a shop that has a power point or car charge facility.
I hope OP understands the huge difference between Honda hybrid cars and Toyota/Lexus hybrid cars. They both are commonly referred as 'hybrids' but use very different technologies. Toyota uses Synergy drive in which there are two parallel motors (fuel driven motor and electrical motor) while Honda uses electric assist drive in which two motors working in series. Synergy drive uses a large traction battery hence can drive and have AC on for a significantly longer time only using battery charge than Honda. So do not expect a super quiet and smooth drive you would get from a Prius. And failure rate of Honda traction battery is significantly higher than that of Toyota. They both offer 8 year warranty though. Honda hybrid resale value is rather bad and you will struggle t find parts as there are no many cars around. Also Honda hybrid fuel economy heavily depends on your driving style, but Toyota hybrids much less so.. There's one advantage of Honda hybrids, they can be driven even after a battery failure (Prius you can't).
what is your main reason with going for a hybrid?
cheaper fuel costs?
My friend drives a Toyota Camry hybrid and she claims saves a lot of money on petrol. Since my mother might be driving the car as well (she's drives a lot) the cheaper fuel costs will come in handy. Also less Carbon emissions from the hybrid so that's great as well.
Just so you know.. the amount of carbon generated in producing a Hybrid car is never recovered in its average lifetime.
Top Gear did a pretty good analysis (yes..i know) but showed that the technology used in hybrid cars is not exactly environmentally friendly in its production, plus they are mostly made (the batteries) in Europe and then they are transported to Japan (or the like.. used to be Australia for the Camry) and that too adds to the emissions generated.
If you are looking for good fuel economy there are better options than a hybrid.
There is a a Suzuki Vitara S Turbo in our family, is averaging 5.5L/100 which is pretty good for its size (it is pretty light, i believe that has some impact) but yeah that was 30K drive away i believe. There are certainly better options around than a hybrid.
Don't ever believe anything Top Gear says. They're biased against hybrid and electric cars, they even flat out lie about them. Tesla had to sue them. They won the lawsuit by arguing that their own show was just fiction. That's all it is, entertainment.
Also, all that shit about the production of hybrid cars applies to normal cars too, but at least the hybrid burns less petrol. So it's still better. Nobody's saying they're carbon neutral over their life.
If you are looking for good fuel economy there are better options than a hybrid.
Well, in unleaded cars, no, there really aren't. I get 4.7L/100KM and that's in an eleven year old Prius. The only other things that come close or surpass it are either fully electric, or a very small diesel.
@MrMcHairyHead:
Normally i would agree, but the report sighted some pretty accurate evidence.
Its a pretty known fact that Hybrid cars as a whole, especially the batteries used generate a LOT of carbon in their manufacture, more than would ever be saved in the cars average lifetime.
just googled the tesla case, Tesla's case was weak at best, and even they admitted in court that a lot of carbon is produced making their cars, they are not about the environment apparently, they wanted to make a car that wasn't reliant on petrol and as such Oil which is quickly getting low in supply.
My daughter gets around 5/100 from a i20
The neighbor gets around 5/100 from a Fiesta.. and they cost 1/4 what a Hybrid costs.. so yeah stand by my statement.
Again, you're doing two most common mistakes people do when comparing Hybrid car to a normal car,
1) Comparing fuel economy (for me this was only one of many benefits I got as a result of using a prius, not at all the main reason)
2) Comparing a car worth around $40,000 brand new (Prius) with a car worth around $20,000 brand new (i20 and Fiesta)
@jimbobaus: This is not pretty well known, it's a fallacy peddled by people who benefit from the current status quo or are just looking for reasons to keep their polluting cars. This is up there with saying that the SA blackouts were caused by renewable energy, it's just not true
Is there really much difference between 4.7L / 100km and say 6L/100km
Depends on your point of view.
There is a 'study' that stated a Hummer is a greener vehicle than the Prius.
To get to their highly biased outcome, the researchers made the following assumptions:
The Prius would require changing the entire battery every three years. This is completely false. No one does this.
The entire battery would be changed. This is rarely done as the battery is divided into blades.
The battery would not be recycled. For really old vehicles that do require some battery changes, Toyota pays a bounty for it.
Citing Top Gear on hybrid or electric vehicles is like asking the coal industry whether wind turbines and solar PV are a good idea. TG is/was an entertainment show. It's not a review program.
@Cluster: Agreed its not.. but the research they cited was reliable (otherwise i would not have mentioned it)
This link suggests that the increased carbon footprint due to the battery production is easily made up for over the car's lifetime by not burning fossil fuels.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/04/22/the-carbon-foot…
And here's another site detailing the flaws in a similar argument on Seeking Alpha
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084440_does-the-tesla-m…
just googled the tesla case, Tesla's case was weak at best, and even they admitted in court that a lot of carbon is produced making their cars
Which lawsuit was this? I'm only aware of the one where Top Gear admitted they scripted the whole thing before even filming. i.e. scripting the Tesla Roadsters breaking down when it actually didn't, etc
If she is going to drive the car that much then she should probably be the one buying the vehicle. Sounds like you're being taken advantage of a bit here.
That's a bit harsh. It's OK to be nice to your mother.
Hybrid cars cost more to run. Theres a research done by RACQ about running costs over 5 years on different cars. The top 5 compact cars (class incl. Corolla, Civic etc.) with the highest running cost are all hybrid. Top 3 of the medium class are also hybrid. Their service and maintenance are usually a lot more expensive than normal cars.
That's because you don't make your money back in 5 years, 10 years and it's a whole different ball game. A different ball game again of you buy a 2-3 year old car. Also all of these models usually include the initial price of a new hybrid or EV which is more expensive than and ICE vehicle.
Pure EVs are also much lower maintenance (every second service is simply an inspection) and ask any cable that has a carry hybrid and they are cheaper to run than an equivalent gas Ford
In my experience fuel costs are one of the smallest costs to car ownership.
A modern diesel will use about the same fuel as a hybrid, without all the expensive maintenance and without having a battery with short life span.
But you should also like the car you drive to some extent
Diesels are particularly bad for the environment and health. Years ago Europe thought the opposite and provided many incentives for Desiel use.
Recent research suggested otherwise and so they've been winding back diesel use.
Ie. https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/france-to-begin-mo…
@toshin: They thought they were good because VW / Audi were lying to them about what emissions they could achieve for the performance!!
Not sure if youre joking, but its only partly due to many manufacturers making bold claims regarding emissions.
Essentially, the research from the 70s or 80s about Diesel being overall better for the environment/health, is incorrect. Even modern cars with particulate filters aren't good enough.
@toshin:
If it's about the environment ( and not saving money ) the only thing I would consider is a full electric.
Hybrids seem half baked…
WTF why have I been negged for this, seriously?
Of course it is not the only research into diesel. I was making an 'in jest' reference to the biggest scandal to hit car manufacturing in recent memory? "Bold claims", that's an understatement, it was a deliberate scandal to bypass emissions laws - please tell me you are aware of the great VW "Diesel Dupe"?!
Its in your own linked article: "Now diesel’s image has been further tarnished because of the Volkswagen emissions scandal, it seems the French government is set to respond with an official disincentivisation of diesel."
Just in case any readers have been living under a rock and don't know what happened, some key points:
Therefore, as I said, because it is topical and relevant (which was apparently 'neg'-worthy), "they thought they were good because VW / Audi were lying to them about what emissions they could achieve for the performance!!"
@toshin: I guess that was a bit presumptuous, my apologies… and now my first comment has positive feedback so my reply makes less sense. Thanks to whoever squared it back up.
In essence I agree with your initial comment 100% that people thought Diesels were good, but it seems they are not (sentiments have been changing for a number of reasons, including more research and scandal).
@MrFrugalSmith: lots of people thought diesel were good for trucks, then they thought it might carry over to cars and in the city too, which didn't work out so well. Diesel is still good for trucks, and in the rural setting where long distances or heavy loads are normal.
Given basically all of our electricity comes from fossil fuels, even a totally electric car isn't carbon-neutral. In saying that, I'm a huge proponent of alternative energy and I think it's utterlly atrocious that we don't produce more of it, given we may have the best country in the world for it. I would own a Tesla if I could afford one. Even if our power generation is still fossil fuel based, reducing emissions at the end-user level is a step in the right direction.
Completely skip the idea of a Hybrid, You wasting time and money. You will get better value out of something like a suzuki celerio or kia pinto. Both under $20k and kia has a 7 year warranty. Look at the fuel ratings before you buy. Hybrids are fine until something breaks, then it will drain your pockets
IE Batteries
which is what most Prius 2nd hand new replacing on car sales
they don't tell buyers this until Toyota rip you a new one in your wallet
Yup. Before going back to uni I worked for Mazda, we use to get hybird trade ins. almost all went str8 to auction. Batteries and electrical wear and tear costs a ton. cheaper just to send them to auction rather than fork out if buyer has issues (under used car warranty)
which is what most Prius 2nd hand new replacing on car sales
Is this meant to be a sentence?
Need replacing not new
Typo
For the whiners
Hybrids are fine until something breaks, then it will drain your pockets
This is just not true. There aren't that many extra parts. And because the petrol engine runs less, and the brakes are used less, the cars wears LESS than another car. I have an eleven year old Prius and I haven't, in four years, had to have any work done on it that wasn't part of the normal expected servicing of parts that wear down on all cars (tyres, brake pads, etc). The battery holds a great charge. It's amazing how little I've had to spend to keep it in shape.
When you combine that with the 4.7L/100Km fuel efficiency I get (that's my personal real world usage, and I live in a hilly area, AND it's even better on newer hybrids), this is an incredibly cheap car to own and run.
Be ready to back up your claims before you say crap like this.
The batteries will wear eventually
Time is of the essence
Like anything the charge capacity at 12 years certainly won't be 100 percent
Putting more load on other components
You have been quite lucky I guess
I've seen and heard prius owners having batteries die within 4-6 years and there are plenty of claims backing this up
All it takes is a cell dying, a crack in a cell from a bump or something else to cost you a fortune
As I said you've been lucky
There are many people out there who haven't had such luck
Cells on many cars can be replaced individually and often the battery warranty is 5 years+, so I disagree with his statement also.
It does show the extreme amount of misinformation floating around about Hybrids and EVs though. I blame the car industry primarily, but when each company has 15 ICE models to 1 hyrbrid/ev you know they aren't going to push EVs
Not to mention that the engine in a hybrid is an Atkinson cycle engine, which is built for efficiency at the expense of raw power, which also helps to save load on the engines parts. Yes they are slightly more complicated but inherent in their design is lower loads especially when you factor the electric motor doing most of the heavy lifting
While a hybrid is a good idea in theory you might find if you know nothing about cars a modern small car might be fine for fuel consumption without the added complexity and weight of batteries and an electric motor. A new little turbo petrol car will get very good economy, and provided it isn't designed as a performance car won't be a drama for a young driver in insurance terms.
What sort of driving will you be doing? Inner city stop/start or long drives? How much space will you need in the car, carrying passengers or stuff? Those answers will probably be more important than wether or not it is a hybrid. As suggested above you could probably get a Camry hybrid, but unless you want extra space a smaller non hybrid will be more economical anyway.
I'll probably drive from and to city a lot as well as drive around surburbs but won't do long drives. I'm fine with a 5 seater. And I was pretty insistent on a hybrid because of less fuel consumption and carbon emissions but now my resolve is weakening. Thanks for the help!
And I was pretty insistent on a hybrid because of less fuel consumption
less fuel consumption vs higher purchase price and maintenance cost. you'll be very lucky to break even when it comes to selling it.
carbon emissions but now my resolve is weakening.
less co2e now. but hybrids produce more co2e from raw material to you getting the keys.
:( I'm torn now.
If OP chose a fully electric eg iMiev was spending 2k a year on petrol, and bought for 18k in which he paid the equivalent of 200/year on electricity, over 10 years he'd save 18k which is the price of the car. At that point he may be looking at spending a few k on a new battery, but he would be so far ahead that he wouldn't care, and battery technology would be so far ahead he'd probably like the fact that he now had 3 times the range that he had when he bought the vehicle. Then factor in the savings in maintenance, the Avg ev costs less than half in servicing than an equivalent aren't petrol car
You're assuming op wants to travel max 160km between charges.
$19k for an imiev is obviously a used car (these were $50k+ new), so he'd need to sort the batteries out before 10yrs. For that budget it's likely 5yo, meaning in 5yrs time he'd need to sort out the batteries. But by then, he has a 10yo small hatch, so is there a point to sorting the batteries? So instead he sells the car for $500 to someone else to put new batteries in.
And not many people own their car for 5yrs, let alone 10.
And at a 0-100 time of 14.3, you better hope he's not jumping on any highways/freeways any time soon!
Sure, electric cars have their place, but the small ones aren't really Australia friendly.
@Spackbace: You're absolutely right about the range, however he's already said it's only for driving around town, so there's no assumption. yes the iMiev could be 5 years old if it was the first one to be sold in Aust, but realistically it will be some amount of time less than that. EVs are usually optioned up, and the amount he's saving buying 2nd hand makes a huge difference to the TCO.
All indicators so far are that cars with li-on batteries are lasting much longer than anyone had expected and usually with less degradation. Life expectancy is now getting up to 15 years, and again if you can take a hit in the range you may be able to hold on to them even longer. Having said that in 10 years battery technology is expected to fall through the floor.
Regarding the 0-100 time, yes it might not be that quick but in real world terms the EV is instantly responsive, has 100% of the power available at any speed, and no gear change lag. These things make the car very enjoyable to drive and hugely diminish any feeling of it bring slow in gneral driving (keep in mind he's sharing the car with his mum). If he holds out for a Leaf (which I've also seen just under 20k) then he'll be doing 0-100 in 10.1s which is equivalent to a stock forester from a few years ago. They are also quiet, smooth and handle well due to the low centre of gravity with the batteries under the floor.
I'm not saying that EVs are the be all and end all, the OPs first consideration is how long is he happy to keep the car, and if it's a long time the EV comes into it's own. If he wants a new car every two years then it's not for him. Then he also needs to think about if he can get away with a smaller car, as people have mentioned a very small efficient car could be almost as efficient as a big hybrid, but is the space necessary? Only he can answer that, but the misinformation being peddled about EVs here is crazy, although I have to be fogiving about it becasue until I owned one I had no clue either, doing the initial modelling was a leap of faith but actually seeing the number it's amazing how much you save even without any government incentives as with UK/US.
@antler: to clarify my comment: small petrol is better than diesel in stop/start traffic. Turbo diesels clog up with soot and stuff and cost more to buy and maintain than small petrols.
A 2012 and up prius from an auction will do. But like they said a light car like a Rio, Yaris etc. would probably be better for a student if fuel costs are the main concern.
As mentioned above, the only electric/hybrid car you can get for under $20000 is a prius.
Quite a few to choose from, $20000 will get you a 2015 model with about 10000k on the clock.
Bear in mind though if you are only doing this for fuel economy reasons, there are other bargains out there for cars with BETTER or equal fuel economy than a prius that are not a hybrid.
Volswagen Golf, Audi A1, Honda Civic, Mini Cooper
All with less than 60000k and 2012 or newer.
Cant seem to post the link, but check out CarSales.com.au and select fuel economy less than 4l/100km along with your other requirements and voila!
Thanks for the help! I'll definitely research more after I compete my HSC.
Of course electric cars under 20k don't exist: http://carsales.mobi/cars/results?q=CarAll%3Dkeyword%5BImiev…
If you watch carsales the iMiev is consistently available under 20k. And exactly 0 of the cars you mentioned have better fuel economy than this iMiev
For $20k, just get a brand new Swift. $16k drive away, 5.5-6.2L/100km, 5yr CPS & 5yr warranty
Why you'd bother with a Hybrid I don't know… you won't recoup the fuel costs any time soon.
You would say that, you work for Suzuki. Not going to do much for your street cred driving one of those around
Not going to do much for your street cred driving one of those around
op is a learner. they have no "street credibility". btw "street credibility" is silly.
I'm a teenager on my Ls right now
All I'm saying is there better looking, better build quality and more economical options than driving around in some budget small car which has no 'appeal' or "refinement" if you would.
All I'm saying is there better looking, better build quality and more economical options than driving around in some budget small car which has no 'appeal' or "refinement" if you would.
the current model/style is indeed old. the 4th gen should be out in a few months. it would be wise to wait for a discounted 3th or the new sytle and tech in the 4th.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/suzuki/swift/94917/new-2017-suz….
@whooah1979:
That new model coming certainly looks pretty good.
http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styl…
Volswagen Golf, Audi A1, Honda Civic, Mini Cooper
Wait what, since when did a Mini Cooper offer street cred?
Or do you only care about a badge, and not the reliability/ownership costs of a car?
Oh, and OP is in an entirely different state to me. There is no benefit to me, to recommend a car that I sell. There is the fact that I also see the trade-in costs of all the used cars that come through, the depreciation, etc etc.
But that's fine, recommend an Audi/VW/Mini to an L-plater who likely can't afford the steep ownership costs, and the resulting high depreciation costs.
If the Op was doing 20000km in a year, they would save around $500 in fuel compared to a Swift.
Also, if you buy a new Swift for $16000, in 3 years you've lost around $7000.
OP buys a 2012 Golf for $16000, chances are they'll only lose about $4000 3 years later. You do math. Look for yourself.
And i understand you have no benefit recommending a product that you sell but thats still a biased outlook. Better new cars available in the same price range than a Suzuki.
@gooddealmate: or even better still, plenty of cars out there 1-2 years old that will suit a young buyer. Big hit of depreciation done already, still under warranty, still new enough to have 'technology'.
Paying extra for a hybrid doesn't really make financial sense in a lot of circumstances.
Ok, lets do some maths:
New GL auto Swift - $15,990 (inc stamp duty), without stamp duty you'd be looking at ~$15,500)
2013 Swift GL Auto - About $12k, with average kms - ~60,000km (link)
Servicing costs over the 3yrs (assuming 20,000km/yr) - $1772
No need for tyres over 60000km, or brakes.
So that's $3500 depreciation over 3yrs (~$1200/yr) (factoring stamp duty out), and $591/yr servicing costs
Covered under warranty the whole period of ownership
Now please tell me how your 2012 Golf works out - Euro servicing, lack of warranty, not to mention the other issues with buying an older European car.
Only someone who is badge-obsessed would recommend a VW to a learner/first-car buyer
Just because OP is a learner doesnt mean they have to accept inferior quality and style.
Plus you would have to be very unlucky to have so much go wrong that it ends up costing more than the fuel savings compared and the difference of depreciation.
Plus you would have to be very unlucky to have so much go wrong
So… you aren't aware of the multitude of issues that the Golfs have, or the cost of servicing & maintenance etc?
So basically all my empirical data I've shown about cost of ownership was pointless, as you'll just stick to your recommendation, regardless of what else is put in front of you.
Ah forums, gotta love em.
Not worth arguing with a rep trying to push their own products.
Let the OP decide from the evidence given.
Lol as I said, different state, no benefit to me. Could've also suggested a Barina, but didn't, because it's not my recommendation. Or should I go through my used car stock and pick from there, and send it over to Sydney?
Or the fact that my cousin drives a Swift, my Managers sister had a Swift until just recently when she sold it? Or that no customer has ever reported issues with one, and none have ever come in on a flat-bed. Personal experience as well as professional.
But by all means, don't let my profession get in your way, it's not like I'm not experienced in the brand and it's quality or anything…
If you seriously think a Suzuki is a better car than a Honda, VW or Audi then your Sales Training Officer has brainwashed you.
You're comparing a brand new 2016 car, to a used 2012 VW, 2011 Audi, 2012/2013 Civic, 2011 Mini, and then recommending those options to an L-Plater?!
Seriously?!
Hard to compare because there are no like for like models when it comes to fuel economy, the closest you'll get is a trendline from 2009 with 4.9l/100km which is the only one for sale on Car Sales at $14000.
As for servicing, wouldn't be a big difference as long as you're not taking it to an overpriced dealership.
Spackbace is being rather selective with his data. You can pick up a 2013 Swift for around $10000 which is a $6000 loss plus $1500 in fuel over the 3 years Total of $7500.
The golfs closest model is $2000 less.
Thats $5500 difference. More than enough to pay for increased price difference on parts etc.
If you seriously think a Suzuki is a better car than a Honda, VW or Audi
uk site, but data none the less.
jazz http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/94
polo http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/285
swift http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/241
cooper http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/159
a3 http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/5
golf http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/276
side-by-side
http://imgur.com/a/OppsL
I think you forgot the original reason why these were recommended, because of the fact these have a superior fuel economy and similar economy to a hybrid… unlike the Suzuki swift.
@gooddealmate: I think the suzukis look quite good from the outside, can't comment on the interior though. I owned a Suzuki years ago and never had an issue with it. Basic, but dependable motoring. VW has a reputation of the opposite. Stylish, but not so reliable and expensive to service/repair with many more fanboys than Suzuki.
I think you forgot the original reason why these were recommended, because of the fact these have a superior fuel economy and similar economy to a hybrid… unlike the Suzuki swift.
Fuel economy isn't everything, and when looking at used cars, you need to factor in tyres/brakes/all the extra maintenance that comes with them. Looking at 1 particular figure isn't enough.
Please, you're comparing what, 4.9L/100km vs 6.2L/100km? Not to mention, your 4L/100km requires premium
Spackbace is being rather selective with his data. You can pick up a 2013 Swift for around $10000 which is a $6000 loss plus $1500 in fuel over the 3 years Total of $7500.
2x Private sale cars for $10k, with 77,000kms and 90,000kms. And I've been looking at autos.
No, I was being a lot more reasonable in what I expect of the resale on these, which means not looking at outliers. We've been talking about average kms (20,000kms/year), not using high-usage vehicles as a comparison.
http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/2013-Suzuki-Swift-GA-FZ/SS…
$9700 2013 model with 58000kms. Why does OP need an auto?
Just what I had in mind for some reason. Also GA isn't sold any more, only look at GL models for a comparison to a new one. If you want to do a fair comparison.
Oh, and a new manual is $14,990 drive away (~$14,600 excluding stamp).
Just interested as to why you didnt pick this option which gives a superior reliability rating
Fair enough, so OP would only be $4500 worse off after 3 years before repairs/servicing difference.
I wasnt comparing a new Golf though was I.
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/274 is 97-06 model. the http://www.reliabilityindex.com/reliability/search/276 is 92-11. i wouldn't call a 5 year old model a new golf.
it doesn't really matter. the golf's reliability is lower than the other makes based on the data from the site.
I see less suzukis in the workshop than Euro trash
Guess what I saw the other day at a set of lights holding up traffic a vw golf that had crapped it's gearbox
Enough said for me
Swift
are these made in thailand?
Japan
Was a 6 month period they were out of Thailand, then switched to Japan (quietly lol)
Oh, and I'm sure ;) want me to provide a photo of a build plate for you? :P
what other makes to you sell?
Suzuki/Holden here, as well as used cars
ok, thanks.
Do you have any opinions on the Kia Cerato for $19,990?
It keeps popping up on my facebook feed.
I like its exterior, the 7 year warranty and the free auto is another bonus.
@niner:
My sister was looking at that and a Hyundai i30 for the same price (she says).
She ended up with the Hyundai, bought it 3 weeks ago, said it had a few more features and drove a bit nicer.
But I think they would be very similar, try both out.
What do you think about the new baleno? Looks like an impressive value proposition in the base model. More space than the swift too.
Jazz Hybrid was a poor seller and is discontinued. That means you should press the seller for a significant discount.
You won't find an electric car for $20k, so that's an easy one to cross of the list.
Realistic contenders that are true hybrids are pretty much narrowed down to the Prius C, an old Prius or Camry Hybrid. The Prius C was the cheapest of the lot and sells new for $24k or less, so you should easily find a used one for under $20k.