Abusive eBay seller - should I follow through with purchase?

Yesterday I was the winning bidder on an eBay item.

While requesting the total from the I seller, I added a polite message asking if the the item could be posted in an AP Prepaid Satchel. The postage figure in the listing was $30 for standard postage + tracking, however the item only weighs 1kg and could easily fit into a 3kg satchel, which is still tracked.

Anyway, the seller later sends through the total without replying to my message, and the shipping is still $30.

Perhaps they didn't see my message, so I re-request the total, but also send a separate message mentioning the original note in the "total request", and adding that the shipping amount requested is double what it should cost, and suggesting $20 as more reasonable (which is still well over what it should cost, packaging included).

Seller sends through total again, postage is still $30, and they still haven't replied to anything I've written to them.

So I use the "contact seller" option, and write, "Do you always ignore messages from your buyers?"

Soon after I get two abusive messages from the the seller. The first describes me (and other buyers like me) as "so bloody difficult" and that postage was clearly stated so "bloody pay for it and if not ill file an unpaid item for on you and that's that"

The second says I'm a "pain in the ass with your fn rudeness"

Now I've bought and sold hundreds of items on eBay over more than a decade, I'm a good eBay citizen and only bid on items I intend to actually purchase, and if they'd replied with some reasonable explanation for the significantly higher postage (e.g. "I'm sending in a big strong box with lots of padding so it arrives safely") I'd happily pay and move on.

However to receive these sorts of messages from someone I'm now guessing is actually just trying to gouge some extra profit, I'm actually tempted to just not pay and take an unpaid item strike (my first!), just on principal.

Perhaps I'm overreacting though - would others here just pay up, or this unreasonable behaviour from the seller?

Cheers,
DM.


EDIT:
I seem to have not explained myself too well.

It's not the inflated postage cost I object to here - my maximum bid took the $30 postage figure into account, and I still won the auction for less than I was willing to pay.

I object to a seller first not bothering to reply to a polite request, and then abusing me when pulled up about it and being challenged about the postage fee.

Many private sellers I've purchased from have quoted a nominal "round figure" postage fee to cover all bases, and then adjust that depending on the postcode of the buyer's shipping address. Often I'll message before an auction to clarify this, sometimes it's after I've won an item that I've asked "could you update the shipping total for postcode XXXX". It's a fairly normal question for me to ask, and to the best of my recollection I've never had a seller a) ignore me or b) abuse me about it - this guy is the first.

I stumbled onto this auction a few minutes before it was due to end, and there wasn't time to check this details, so I put in a slightly lower bid in case the $30 was what he expected to be paid, but also mindful that this might be another case where a figure closer to the actual postage charge might be charged, as would be in keeping in line with eBay's policy on these things.

So don't go judging me for wanting to renege on a sale because of a high postage charge…no no no…I'm considering reneging on the sale because the seller has acted like an a** to a buyer trying to make a reasonable request and being ignored then abused in reply. There's a difference…

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        • +3

          @StewBalls: Yep, I agree. Unfortunately a lot of people on this site are just plain morons. Quite a sad reflection of the Australian public but there it is.

        • @StewBalls:

          Lol, I don't think anyone here thinks the seller being rude was necessary. It's just that the OP could have just payed to what he had agreed, but a simple "no" from the seller would have been sufficient.

          ProspectiveDarkness' comment just seems stupid. Price-gouged? The price was listed before he even made a bid.

        • -4

          @ozhunter:

          ProspectiveDarkness just seems stupid. Price-gouged? The price was listed before he even made a bid.

          Whether it was there for the world to see or not, has no bearing on whether or not it's price-gouging.

          Oh, and go (profanity) yourself.

        • @ProspectiveDarkness:

          LOL, I just edited then to as I meant your comment, not you.

        • +2

          @ozhunter: Regardless.

          I suggest giving the seller the finger because (a) personally I'd rather not support antics like that, and (b) who knows how the person will follow through with the deal now? A simple and convenient "oops this must've been damaged in transit" could easily screw OP over. Given the treatment thus far, I wouldn't be confident.

          And (c) I'm petty and vindictive.

          Thus, I suggest OP either ask for a retraction from the seller, and if denied, ask for a retraction from eBay on the grounds of abuse and possible future treatment and, failing that, leave negative feedback. eBay isn't Reddit, you don't get to run your mouth however you want - there should be consequences.

          Sue me for focusing on the aspect of OPs post that he's asking about.

        • @ProspectiveDarkness:

          a. neutral or negative feedback I think would be justified
          b. Maybe, depend on what the item is. No point stressing out for nothing. Pay with Paypal.
          c. can't help you there lol

        • @ozhunter: Neither buyer nor seller comes away looking good here. I'd avoid both on eBay.

  • +8

    I don't think you are in a position to negotiate postage after you win the auction. When you bid you are bidding on a specific price + postage. If you wanted to negotiate you should have done this before the contract was made. I agree the postage may be high, but as a smart consumer you would have factored that in to the total cost.

    • Oh but I did factor it in.

      • +13

        My 2c. You're being petty.

        You win an eBay bid for a price cheaper than you were happy to pay.

        This means the seller possibly sold for less than they would have wanted.

        They then send you clarification on the pricing they expect and you're quite pushy to them.

        You then get a grumpy reply, which you instigated as you were only looking to make more savings on top of the cheap price you secured, and now you're contemplating non payment.

        I think you should show empathy and pay what you owe. You aren't on the moral high ground. eBay have long since squashed any seller benefit from high postage.

  • +4

    eBay has become so greedy and I can't believe they take a final value on postage as well now. I sold something and actually made a loss on postage as AP rose the price by about 35cents since I created the listing and then eBay took over a dollar in fees. Such BS. This guy obviously thinks the item is worth more so trying to get a little extra off the postage and still seem like the buyer is getting a great deal on the item price. I think its fair enough if you were happy with the deal and agreed to buy.

    • +6

      I went to bid on another auction (different seller) over the weekend, and noticed that the postage was set at $913.80 (for a $700 item), which I thought must've been a typo since $13.80 is the standard 3kg satchel price.

      Nope, that was the correct price they replied. I messaged again to politely inform them that eBay now charges a final value fee on the postage component of a sale as well as the actual item value, and that they weren't avoiding any fees by inflating the P&H. Evidently they weren't aware of this, and quickly went through and revised all their auctions!

      • +1

        aren't you great

        • Cheers!

    • And yes, I've made a couple of losses on postage for the same reason.

    • +2

      While I also don't like the policy of taking part of the postage costs, I can see why they did it from a business point of view.

      Prior to this policy, there were a large number of listings that had a 'Buy It Now' price of $1 and 'Postage costs' of $89.99.

      The buyer still paid their money, the seller received the right amount of money, but eBay only received fees based on a $1 selling price instead of the actual price of the item.

  • No reason for bad manners, even though you should have checked the postage before bidding. Sometimes sellers prefer to post through a courier service, but they are usually a competitive price. Sounds like your seller was just being greedy though; I wouldn't encourage such behaviour.

    I would now simply ask the seller to cancel your bid so he can sell it to the next bidder. People have done that to me but it doesn't bother me as it comes with the territory. Then go bid for another of the items elsewhere, but check that you are happy with the postage first. I have sent a refund to a buyer once (he did not ask) when I realised the post was too high. He was very pleased and sent some very nice feedback.

    • +1

      Yes I agree.

      Back in the good old days, if a buyer with good feedback paid me through bank deposit, I'd often post the item once they messaged me to say they'd made the bank transfer, despite it normally taking a few days for the payment to appear at my end. Upon receiving the item a few days earlier than expected, some buyers would do the math and leave very positive feedback indeed!

      • +1

        When it comes to low price items (and I swear some of those buyers are children) although I specify PayPal only to be safe, I do advise some I would accept postage stamps too. Yes, you do get a few nice responses sometimes when they receive an item just after they have paid … especially around Christmas.

        • +2

          If I remember correctly, I once had someone go to the bank to manually deposit payment to me, then arrived home to find the item in the letter box. Can't remember the exact circumstances that made me send the item straight after the auction (they must have been asking a few questions during the auction and impressed me with their niceness), but it made their day!

  • +9

    The $30 would be for postage and handling, this includes any packaging and protection as well as covering cost to get to Aust post.

    While the seller was not the most polite, you're not much better imo. Who the hell negotiates after committing.

    • -7

      Who the hell treats their customer like sh*t for asking a reasonable question, and still expects any good to come out of the subsequent sale!

      • The seller sent the total again and again after your request. It would have been a reasonable question and reasonable to challenge the postage cost prior to committing to purchasing at the total cost.

        still expects any good to come out of the subsequent sale!

        I think the only outcome they're expecting is either you pay, or they file an unpaid item. Doesn't sound like they're begging you to stay.

        bloody pay for it and if not ill file an unpaid item for on you and that's that

        • +1

          If it's reasonable to question the postage cost before the purchase, it's actually probably still reasonable to question it afterwards as well.

        • +4

          @dm01:

          Except you weren't just questioning it, you were trying to negotiate…after agreeing to paying the original amount. You woudn't do this if you were purchasing a car or a house.

          While the communication from the seller wasn't completely direct, I would've gotten the hint that that amount is final after receiving the total 3 times.

        • -1

          @Ughhh: I about it, got ignored, then asked again, suggesting a lower postage fee that is actually in line with eBay's policy (seeing as the seller is actually supposed to be complying with that).

          I received the total from the seller twice, not three times, unless your counting the abusive messages as the third.

  • Don't buy things if you aren't happy with the price. You wouldn't expect maccas to give you 10 cents off your big Mac because you don't need a bag or serviette

    • -1

      Don't buy things if you aren't happy with the way sales person treats you. What would you expect if you bought your Big Mac, ask something, and were told: "here is your %$#& burger, go and eat it, you are pain in the ass".

      • Would I expect them to lower the price after I bought the Big Mac because in my opinion all the packaging has inflated the final price.

        I sure they would frame their response in a more diplomatic manner.

        They are looking for customers to buy again. The ebay seller , clearly is not.

      • +2

        Wrong analogy

        This is like placing your order at the drive-in window, then driving up to pay, and asking (more than once) for a discount, and after enough pestering the person at the window gets annoyed and abuses you.

        • Actually it's probably closer to driving up to pay, and then when you ask them why thier big mac costs twice as much as at the other MacDonalds in town, them replying by simply holding out their hand. Twice. And then when you ask why they're not answering you, them shouting "STOP ASKING ABOUT THE PRICE OF THE BIG MAC - IT'S ON THE MENU…NOW GIVE ME THE MONEY".

        • +1

          @dm01:

          and then when you ask them why thier big mac costs twice as much as at the other MacDonalds in town

          Sigh no it's not, stop twisting things to suit you.

          The whole purchase wasn't more expensive than somewhere else, only a fraction of it was. You knew this when you went "Ok, I'll have it".

        • +1

          asking (more than once) for a discount, and after enough pestering the person at the window gets annoyed and abuses you.

          Asking more than once because there was no reply. Which is on the seller. A lack of communication can be legitimate grounds for bid retraction, which should show how serious eBay takes it. It's not in this case, seeing as the person replied (rudely), but don't put that on the OP. Non-communication isn't on, and neither is abuse.

    • +5

      Let me give my analogy of your analogy.

      Think of it as you going to Dominos and purchasing a pizza and when the delivery driver comes you ask the driver if you can get a discount as the pizza place is one street away. Driver again asks for the money but you pester him again for a discount even after driver has told you the total twice. The time to ask for a discount was before ordering from the pizza place.

      • -1

        I'm not sure how you equate sending the seller two messages, to "pestering". The second one was because the seller didn't reply to my first message, and so I have no idea whether he has read it or not - again, doesn't hurt ask.

    • Then again if you told them you were 10c short I am sure they would take what you gave them.

  • +8

    If the seller has quoted a fixed $30 postage cost then you've agreed to terms when bidding.

    You should go through with purchase.

  • +5

    I'm a good eBay citizen and only bid on items I intend to actually purchase, and if they'd replied with some reasonable explanation for the significantly higher postage (e.g. "I'm sending in a big strong box with lots of padding so it arrives safely") I'd happily pay and move on

    Can't you just pay on the agreed price and happily move on?(without trying to negotiate on shipping costs)

    Might as well win an auction and ask if you get a discount afterwards.

    • I could have before the abusive messages.

      • +13

        I think you're both in the wrong but more so you. Nothing wrong with asking(but should have done beforehand), and he could have just said "no".

        But you don't agree to buy something then try bargain the price down afterwards. Reminds me of those annoying gumtree buyers who try haggling more after you agreed on a price once they get to your house.

        • I had a man turn up with cash to collect an eBay item. Yes, you guessed it; he short-changed me!

        • Had a gumtreenian haggle me down from $111 to $100, probably cas he couldn't break the $11 from his wad of pineapples.

  • -2

    I'm on your side OP, there's nothing wrong with clarifying postage costs. Sounds like the seller was trying to gouge on postage, and isn't happy that he got called on it. I can't understand the vitriol in the other comments, you've acted reasonably asking for a review of the postage, that's why eBay has the request total feature.

    Either buy it and leave bad feedback (high postage, poor communication, abusive), or report to eBay (abusive).

    • gouging or not, it was there for everyone to see when the item was up for sale.
      the questions the op was asking are more suitable for when the auction was still on, not after it was sold.

  • +2

    I'm not sure the point of this thread. You put your bid in and agreed to the price of postage which forms part of the contract.

    You're not complaining about this fact, you're complaining about his reaction. Not everyone is going to be friendly, just pay it and get over it - don't let his negative attitude prevent you from a bargain. Just forgive his attitude and move on.

    • +1

      I don't expect friendly, I do expect some form of civility, I don't accept abuse.

  • +5

    When you asked for a lower postage rate the seller clearly responded by resending the invoive and you asked a second time and again the seller responded again by resending the invoice.
    You chose not to accept that and then when you again contacted the seller they were fed up and abused you.
    I think the seller could have responded with just "no" but you probably would have found a one word reply annoying.
    Both wrong.
    Get over it. You were irritating and the seller should have made it clearer he would not negotiate on postage.

    • The seller didn't "clearly respond" - I had no idea whether they'd actually read the message. A clear response would be, "sorry, that's the correct price".

  • You clearly knew the cost of postage before bidding, if you didn't agree with it why did you bid?
    It's wrong to bid, win the item and then try to negotiate the postage cost.
    If I was the seller I would be inclined to tell you to pay or apply for a cancellation of purchase request.

    • Hi James,

      You clearly didn't read all my post. As I stated, I took the inflated cost of shipping as stated in the listing into account when placing my bid. Doesn't mean I think it's reasonable, and doesn't stop seeking clarification afterwards or asking for an accurate shipping quote.

      Ever gone to buy something from a shop, and asked, "any cheaper for cash?"

      • Reasonable or not, if you didn't agree with it, move on.
        I doubt you were the only one bidding.

      • +1

        You should have asked before bidding. As soon as you bid/buy , it is too late for questions.

  • What is the item? Is is difficult to package? Sometimes if an item will take me a long time to package, I will increase post cost as I'd much prefer local pickup.

  • I'm now guessing is actually just trying to gouge some extra profit

    You are the one trying to get it cheaper. Seller didn't say $15 postage and then changed to $30. You are the one trying to score.

    Some seller charge higher postage and lower item prices. If you don't agree then don't buy it

    • eBay policy is that postage cost should reflect the cost of postage and packaging. If the seller isn't complying with that, then it's perfectly reasonable to ask the question.

      • after buying the item?

        • Yeah sure, eBay's policy doesn't change.

          As I've stated elsewhere, many sellers list a blanket postage charge and then refine that based of the buyer's location. If you suspect the charge doesn't reflect the cost, what on earth is the harm in simply asking? I've had sellers I've purchased from who have not even been aware of the existence of pre-paid satchels until I've mentioned it to them, and in my experience the satchels tend to work out cheaper than throwing things in a box and getting charged by weight and size. So again, what's the harm in asking?

        • +6

          @dm01:

          again, you are trying to change what you agreed. but you clearly not going to change your mind as you think you are right. Good luck!

        • +3

          @dm01:

          Didn't you ask, and he responded twice confirming postage cost? Why would he send multiple invoices if not to reconfirm cost of $30 is expected?

          Also, you state he was "pulled up" by you, and you "challenged" him. I think those terms indicate like he says that you are not just asking, but being difficult.

        • -1

          @Gofast: Politely asked the first time…challenged later. He didn't confirm anything - confirming something would require actually acknowledging the message.

          I went back through his feedback tonight, and it looks like I'm not the first to have these sorts of issues.

  • I would have asked seller about postage before end of auction. If I didn't get a suitable response before end of auction, I wouldn't bid on item.

    If your not comfortable with how the transaction is at the moment, then don't go through with it.

  • +2

    You are in the wrong big time, firstly when you win an auction, you stick to the terms of the auction, as the final bid price you posted, and postage that was evident to you from the start of the auction. If you dont like it, dont bid. Its simple, dont ask the seller to reduce the postage after the fact. That makes you the ahole, not the seller. I occasionally buy from ebay, but have stopped selling on there many years ago. Their fees and charges have gotten ridiculously out of hand.

    If the seller started the auction at 99 cents for instance, and inflated the postage cost to increase their margins, thats totally up to them, once you win the auction you pay what you need to, thats it, you dont ask for cheaper postage once you have won. Just cause you ask nicely doesnt make you any less in the wrong.

    If i was that seller i would of been pissed too, from his response i can tell he was holding himself back a great deal.

  • +5

    You purchased the item, well aware of the P+H costs. And then you're messaging the seller to try and bargain on the postage costs. You ask for it to be sent a certain way, and request a total.

    You get your total, which is still the same. So you message him again, insisting his P+H cost is double what it should be.

    You get another total, and the shipping price is still the same.

    So you message him saying "Do you always ignore messages from your buyers?" - Which is a bit provocative. How did you expect him to reply? With a yes or a no? Of course he's going to get annoyed at that, especially after your first messages are trying to haggle on his price after you won the auction.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with how he handled the situation - especially with his reply. But I definitely don't agree with yours either.

    Additionally, P+H isn't just the cost of packaging and the fee from AusPost. Someone needs to spend time packaging it and taking it to the post office. Maybe the guy lives far away from a post office, or maybe he works during the opening hours of the post office and either needs to take time off work or pay someone to post it on his behalf. I know these examples are unlikely and I'm splitting hairs, but the point is, it's a handling charge. He can charge what he sees fit, and like wise, you don't have to buy from him if you don't agree.

    • -2

      "He can charge what he sees fit…"

      Not according to eBay's postage charge policy.

      • +1

        Well you should have challenged that before you bid.

        The terms of the auction was clear as day. eBay isnt gumtree, dont be a time waster.

        Seller was right setting you straight.

  • The reason for the high postage was to sell the item without setting a reserve price for the auction (costs a fee) and setting a high starting bid (also costs a fee over a certain amount).

    The way you came off sounded like you weren't willing to pay the amount you bid at and so they probably got agitated.

    What was the exact message you sent them in the first place?

  • +5

    Wow, just wow

    stick to gumtree, you can refuse to pay whoever you want and call people on their mobile when their hard at work and offer them $1.50 for their items.

  • +5

    These are the self entitled people I have to deal with with everyday that end up leaving negative feedback despite the fact that you've caused the problem.

    • Of course…asking a question is the problem…being a rude prick of a seller has nothing to do with the neg feedback they'll receive.

  • +2

    The straw that broke the camel's back.

    The seller could have had many people try to renegotiate after bidding, they could have answered politely but finally were upset enough to snap.

    I've renegotiated with buyers but one day I had enough of it. It's slowing down the sellers operation and simply is not fair to them. IMO, pay the seller.

  • +6

    http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/pay/shipping-for-buyers.html

    Sellers can charge reasonable postage and handling fees to cover the costs for mailing, packaging, and handling the items that they sell. However, charging excessive fees for postage violates our selling practices. Review the item description carefully to make sure you understand what the postage costs are.

    You keep banging on about eBay policy, but right there, eBay states a seller can charge for their handling time. If the seller wants to charge $30, and be able to justify it, then so be it. He doesn't have to charge exact Australia Post prices.

    • +1

      It is not about what a seller is allowed to charge, it is how he treats buyers. You are taking sections of what you quoted out of context; the above also says: "reasonable[…]fees" and "charging excessive fees for postage violates our selling practices". The seller did not even try "to justify shipping charges": first he did not respond, then responded in abusive language. Not leaving a negative feedback is accepting bullying as normal.

      • +3

        Lol, I disagree. You purchased it at a factored lower price knowing postage, you win and now want a discount. This is ozbargain not ozscumbag :/

        The seller was rude, but your Nickle and dimeing him. Your both in the wrong, yes you can message him about satchels but he obviously was not interested.

      • +1

        We're getting 1 side of the story, I hope you're bearing that in mind.

        Oh and I was referring to OP's constant mention of eBay postage rules, which is why he questioned the postage costs (twice, as far as we know), which in turn led to the abuse.

        Would be nice to see what sort of emails OP sent, because it's easy enough to play the 'saint' card when no one knows the facts.

  • -6

    If u buy it, give him a very bad review, rude an unprofessional seller.

  • +1

    The first describes me (and other buyers like me) as "so bloody difficult" and that postage was clearly stated so "bloody pay for it and if not ill file an unpaid item for on you and that's that"

    Just wondering, after this point why didn't you just pay? Why did he have to send you that 2nd message? Maybe you still trying to haggle on the price? I think there's more than you're letting on.

    I'm actually tempted to just not pay and take an unpaid item strike (my first!), just on principal

    He doesn't seem to fussed if you did. He probably rather sell it to the next person too.

    so I put in a slightly lower bid in case the $30 was what he expected to be paid

    In case? If he puts $30 for postage, that's what he expects

    • -1

      The second message came straight after the first…both were sitting in my inbox when I read the first one. I guess they felt they hadn't expressed themselves enough after sending the first one.

      I must be the only one on ozbargain who has purchased from sellers on eBay who actually understand that it costs differing amounts to send items to different parts of the country, and have adjusted the postal charge to reflect the buyer's location. This has been a regular occurrence in the 14 years I've been trading on eBay - buy something, contact the seller for the total to my postcode, and sometimes an adjusted postage rate comes through, because postage to my location is cheaper than what they accounted for. Sometimes I've asked for an upgrade of the postal method (and paid more), sometimes I've asked for a downgrade ("hey mate, you've listed express post but I'm in no rush so feel free to send regular") - sometimes a request is accommodated, sometimes not - that's fine - but I've never been ignored and then abused for trying to make an enquiry about.

      As I've said earlier, I don't expect every seller to go out of their way to be friendly, but a bit of civility should be standard, especially when enquiring with what 14 years of experience has shown to be a reasonable request.

      • I must be the only one on ozbargain who has purchased from sellers on eBay who actually understand that it costs differing amounts to send items to different parts of the country

        Nope. I just charge a flat rate when I have sold stuff. Easier and more simple, no need to contact the buyer.

        "Do you always ignore messages from your buyers?"

        Isn't exactly a polite way of asking either…

        • "Nope" to what?

          Yes, after being ignored twice I dropped down from polite to merely civil.

        • @dm01:

          No, you're not the only who understands different postcodes can vary the postage costs.

          Civil, to but I still think it was bit rude.

  • +11

    100% agree with the seller. Buyers like you are a pain in the ass. You bid, you won - pay and move on. If you aren't happy with the conditions, don't bid or negotiate prior to the auction finishing.

    • -4

      100% agree with the buyer. If you ask politely, you should expect polite response, not bullying and abuses. Never try to justify bullying.

      • Why not ask politely before bidding? not after you actually win the auction.

  • +3

    I have recently had a similar experience with an E Bay seller.
    I received an item that was defective and e mailed the seller to ask for recompense.
    I received no reply.
    I e mailed again and for two weeks I heard nothing.
    Then I received a reply to say how sorry she was, but she was a single parent, working full time and studying and her baby had been sick.
    She was selling on E Bay to help pay for her study.
    Fortunately I did not say anything so rude as, "Do you always ignore messages from your buyers?".
    If I had then maybe I would have deserved a curt reply.
    Like you did.

    • +1

      I see the sick baby one; I have heard that one too. After daily reminders to pay for two weeks, with no response, I finally posted unpaid item case with eBay and left feedback to say no payment or correspondence. Then I copped all the "woe is me" but I will pay now. There was no reason the lady could not have replied … it is not like she hasn't been continually on a buying spree for the past three weeks (with the sick baby at death's … Sorry, but if your baby is that sick what the **** was she doing on eBay in the first place? After a drama fuelled, abusive email there was no way I was going to post her the item (tiny $ as it was), as I simply did not trust her to be honest it saying she received it. I cancelled and Offered it to the next bidder; sold, no problem. Then, out of spite, she left a negative feedback with positive words. I appealed to eBay but they sided with the buyer, and would not retract her feedback … so I lost my 100% to a nasty twat like her. I checked her feedback, and Lo and behold, she had messed with quite a few buyers (I wrote to one who gave me a similar story). Still, eBay would do nothing to help a seller … I blocked her so I didn't have to receive any more nonsense, then had nothing to do with eBay for some time, until 12 months had passed and my rating was restored.

      I've had people say they cannot afford an item they have bid for, do not have a PayPal account (I suggest Stamps), etc. Most of the time I have simply posted the item (if they are low $s) as they must really want those items, and I don't. I realise that I lose money to eBay in the process, but hey; life is too short to be mean. It's nice to get some positive feedback; a simple thank you is nice.

    • @Ninjastud - I'm no sure our experiences are similar at all. The seller was at the other end clicking "send total", but had made the decision to ignore the messages I'd sent to them. Two requests for total with messages embedded, and a separate message sent along with the second request in case they hadn't seen the embedded message in the first one.

      If you can't be bothered at least acknowledging me after that, then "Do you always ignore messages from your buyers?" seems a pretty reasonable question in my book.

  • Boohoo you've just wasted more than $10 worth of your life coming here to write that up. It doesn't cost them a thing to be nice and it sucks to talk to rude people but remember this person isn't getting paid to give you any kind of service, get your shit and go

  • +1

    Whilst there is no excuse for rudeness, personally I get really annoyed when someone commits to buy something at a clearly marked price and and then tries to renegotiate the price afterwads
    The world is full of rude people, sometimes you just have to move on

  • I'm assuming it was going to be sent in a box which comes with tracking for $30 (Yes seems dear) but you wanted him to put it in a satchel which also comes with tracking and you were still happy to pay $30.

    So at the end of the day you wanted the seller to change the postage cost? Cancel the sale or just don't pay. But if postage is crap don't bid on it.

  • -5

    People in this thread amaze me. Somehow the anonymity of eBay or any online store permits rudeness and abuse? I'm with OP on this, one, cancel the sale out of principal and report the abuse to eBay.

    Imagine walking in to a bricks and mortar store, at the checkout and you ask "can I please get a discount?" and the shop assistant stares blankly at you in the face. You ask again, "excuse me, sorry, can I get a discount?". Then you get a tirade of abuse. I'd walk away, buy elsewhere and report the to their engagement. Petty or not it's unacceptable.

    The anonymity of the inter-webs does not excuse rude and abusive behaviour.

    Also remember that eBay sellers - professional, casual or one off, choose to sell on ebay by choice and part of the deal is answering buyer questions, before and after the sale. The fact that "we get lots of these painful questions" is merely a fact of doing business in an online store where buyers need to ask questions all the time - so deal with it or find a new job.

    Everyone seems so focused on the $30 being reasonable, which it is, and OP has stated he can pay it, but that's not what the OP was asking. He wanted to know out of principal should he simply accept abuse and rudeness from an online store? And my answer is a simple "no".

    • +1

      Imagine walking in to a bricks and mortar store, at the checkout and you ask "can I please get a discount?" and the shop assistant stares blankly at you in the face. You ask again, "excuse me, sorry, can I get a discount?". Then you get a tirade of abuse.

      I think you mean, after asking if the price is correct twice, the assistant keeps pointing to the total showing on the register, then you accuse them of ignoring you and they tell you to either pay the amount on the register or get the frack out of their store

      • +2

        I think you mean, after asking if the price is correct twice, the assistant keeps pointing to the total showing on the register, then you accuse them of ignoring you

        But that's not what the OP said happened, you're twisting the situation OP explained. He didn't simply ask for the total, he asked another question which was ignored twice or three times then abused for asking it. So your example doesn't fit the situation.

        or get the frack out of their store

        In any case after any abuse from a seller I would get the frick out of the store. :) Which is what the OP was asking opinions on.

        I still don't think it's too much to ask for a proper response to the question about shipping even if it's post sale.

    • Imagine walking in to a bricks and mortar store, at the checkout and you ask "can I please get a discount?" and the shop assistant stares blankly at you in the face. You ask again, "excuse me, sorry, can I get a discount?".

      That's actually pretty annoying if you go around asking for discounts. Try doing that at Woolworths or Coles.

      • You're not a true OzBargainer then :P

        Ever been to JB Hifi or Harvey Norman? If you don't ask they sales person for a discount or their best price you're getting ripped.

        • You're doing it wrong if you're shopping at JB Hi-Fi or Harvey Norman, and even more wrong if you're buying something that requires "bargaining". Even if you "bargain" with them on high-ticket items, it'll just bring the price down to the average price elsewhere.

        • @ronnknee: Rubbish.

          I bought my dishwasher recently from HN after playing Good Guys, HN, Appliances online and E&S Trading all off against each other. HN was prepared to go the lowest.

  • +7

    You committed to the purchase (in the process agreeing to the quoted purchase price) then attempted to re-negotiate pricing after all the other buyers had been locked out.

    I don't disagree that $30 is a lot for postage, but your actions in attempting to re-negotiate the postage after committing to purchase are anything but reasonable, if you didn't like the postage amount simply purchase through a seller with more reasonable postage pricing.

    • The op asked a simple question.

      • Couldn't disagree more.

        If OP had put this question to the seller before they made a purchase commitment, then I'd be more inclined agree that it's a simple question. But asking the same question after locking all the other buyers out by making a purchase commitment is a thinly veiled attempt to re-negotiate the overall price.

        If you don't like the postage cost, just don't bid on the item.

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