Thoughts on The New iPhone (iPhone 8/8 Plus/X)?

Here's an article for more information. Here's a video by Apple that showcases the iPhone X

Expected prices
iPhone 8: $1079 for 64GB
iPhone 8 Plus: $1229 for 64GB
iPhone X price: $1579 for 64GB

Poll Options Fri, 13/10/2017 - 07:14

  • 24
    Buying the iPhone 8
  • 17
    Buying the iPhone 8 Plus
  • 183
    Buying the iPhone X
  • 121
    Was planning on upgrading, not anymore
  • 679
    Was never going to buy one

Comments

  • +34 votes

    Nah, not really, owned an IPhone 6 Plus 128Gb before, just bought an OnePlus 5, 8Gb Ram, 128Gb for $699 last week, very happy with it, Iphone just overpriced!

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    the x sounds promising.

  • +4 votes

    I quite like the features of the new iPhone 8 and X but I'm holding onto my 5s until I find a deal on SE/6s. I am tempted to get an Apple Watch with the price drop. (just waiting on a bargain)

    Series 1
    alu 38mm $399 -> $359
    alu 42mm $449 -> $399

    Series 3 Wifi/Cellular (new)
    alu 38mm $459/559
    alu 42mm $499/599

    For reference: Series 2 (discontinued)
    Alu 38mm $529
    Alu 42mm $579

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      I've had a 5s for less than a year and am happy with it. SE would have been ideal but was too expensive. Went from a One Plus One (which I need to see still!).

  • +48 votes

    $1579 … Doesn't include air pods, or the charging mat, and STILL only has a 5w charger. Sheesh.

    I really just want an updated SE. I've gone backwards to this form factor and much prefer it. Takes about 30min to get used to the smaller screen.

    I don't understand who would buy the 8 Plus, it's kind of redundant and stuck in the middle.

    Naming and range is weird and confusing. They should have lined up with the iPad portfolio, ie "iPhone" as the 4.7 value model with a sharp price, should have made it a bit thicker with longer battery life, then the "iPhone Pro" or editon instead of X and kill all the others.

    Alternatively update the SE and have just three models: small/value (SE), medium (4.7), large/premium (X); all just called iPhone 8, and all with A11.

    Stupid to sell three different generations 6s, 7, 8 ALL at the same time AND a premium model AND the SE as well.

    • -1 vote

      I don't understand who would buy the 8 Plus.

      Depth effect portrait mode and optical zoom

    • -15 votes

      Probably good then that you aren't in charge of the most successful consumer tech company in history.

      • +1 vote

        Lol. Love Ozbargain… Make valid statement, get down voted without any response.

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          financially successful yet exploitation of workers, stranglehold on the music industry with extortion on struggling musicians, selling overpriced hardware made by Samsung and LG assembled by foxconn as well as being the worst patent troll in consumer tech company history!!!!

        • +1 vote

          @vid_ghost:

          Doesn't make them unsuccessful

        • +2 votes

          @vid_ghost: Worst patent troll? That bandwagon you're on must be overloaded. Ad for your other points, you must not be aware of every other major corporation on the planet.

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          @vid_ghost:

          Consumers can choose/not choose to buy their products, yet they do.

          Workers can choose/not choose to work in their factories, yet they do.

          Suppliers can choose/not choose to supply their hardware, yet they do.

          Artists can choose/not choose to use their distribution platform, yet they do.

          Apple can choose whatever price they like for their products, "overpriced" is your opinion. People buy them. Lots of people.

          "stranglehold on the music industry" is again an opinion, some people (consumers) have never had a better time in history to access music. Whether recent changes are negative is subjective. If you take a look at actual data, and not internet hype, licensed consumption of music has increased dramatically since streaming services, and some copyright holders might actually see value in that.

          "worst patent troll in consumer tech history" - I'm not going to argue much here. What $300B companies do with their patents isn't really anything I'm qualified to comment on.

          I'm not saying they aren't a horrible horrible company. Just that your points don't make a very convincing argument.

  • +36 votes

    $1000 for a phone ? No thanks.

  • +2 votes

    I will buy 4 iPhone X 256gb for my family.

  • +49 votes

    once again it's a miss…don't get me wrong, its an amazing piece of engineering but once again, theres nothing innovative about the technology. Everything in the iphone for the past few releases have been chasing other brands. People just buy it for the hype and because its an easy phone to use…every iphone will be the same with the same icons, features and everything. Hype sells the brand…much like Bape and Supreme who really just make simple basic tees but sell from anywhere between $100-$10000+

    $1829 for the 256gb ipX….go $1400 for the SGS8+ with a larger screen and very similar body size.

    • +20 votes

      "Everything in the iphone for the past few releases have been chasing other brands."

      Apple still haven't managed to incorporate self-ignition yet as far as I know :)

    • +8 votes

      Rumour has it it that Samsung is reaming Apple for access to the OLED screens, USD$130-150 for the part, compared with wholesale S8 parts of about $80 (there are some key differences to the screen layers, but still). LG OLED can't get the required level of quality at the needed volumes, so Samsung is in a position to charge Apple what they will.
      So until Apple can invest enough in LG OLED factories to get LG OLED phone screens up to the same standard at volume, Apple are in a rock and a hard place.
      So, the strategies are to pass on the costs through to retail, and also limit demand of the flagship model. Which is probably why the 8+ still exists. And then flow through impacts to meet all the various pricing point targets all the way down to the SE (which dropped in price).

      Im thinking an SE.

      • +4 votes

        "Rumour has it it that Samsung is reaming Apple for access to the OLED screens, USD$130-150 for the part, compared with wholesale S8 parts of about $80 …"

        Can't blame Samsung for that, Apple would do the same to them in the reverse situation. The extra profit margin should help fund the special relationship between Samsung and parts of the South Korean Government.

        • +1 vote

          haha ye and they should be paying rock bottom considering they are the company with the innovation and making the product lol. Can't wait for Apple ot sue Samsung for using OLED screens because they envisioned it first…even though its been used for years lol

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          @andrgram: lol, that is bread n butter of Apple isn't it! Sue the rest of the competitors (as well as supply partners) simply cos they envisioned it without even working prototype. May be Samsung is making Apple to pay back part of the settlements they had make in billions, in the form overpriced OLED's.

        • +1 vote

          @FUZHA: haha ye it's one of the most interesting relationships lol….essentially, Samsung will pay Apple with their own money as long as Apple keep commissioning materials from Samsung…it's a good life when you are at the top

        • +1 vote

          @andrgram:
          If I was samsung I would extract as much loot as possible until the competition eventually catches up. its just business,

          That said, the iPhone X screen sounds like it has quite a bit more functionality and quality than standard OLED phone screens. e.g. colour management, force touch etc. to name a few.
          so they should be more expensive than a standard samsung OLED anyway.

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          @entropysbane:

          e.g. colour management

          You've been able to select color space on Samsung phones since the Galaxy S6 three years ago. The "Basic" screen mode is sRGB/Rec709, "AMOLED Photo" mode is Adobe RGB. The "Adaptive" mode is intentionally more vivid.

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          Apple would do the same to them in the reverse situation.

          Does Apple even sell components to 3rd party manufacturers/competitors ?

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          @abb:

          "Does Apple even sell components to 3rd party manufacturers/competitors ?"

          No that I know of. But if they did, they would charge plenty.

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          @andrgram: Yeah somehow I don't think that will pan out quite how you think…

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          @eug: what I am talking about is hardware related, not adjusting saturation.

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          @entropysbane: Colour management is hardware-related?

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          @entropysbane:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJuqdTXhDX4

          According to EverythingApplePro, the OLED screen on the iPhone X is not as bright as the Note 8 and is very dim.

          Anyway, I've been able to do all of the above since my S7 Edge and now S8+.

          Apple is at least 6-12 months behind the competition, but somehow the diehard fanbois would see it as the most revolutionary product in the history of mankind.

          Apple hasn't been innovative since iPhone 4S or 5S.
          I have previously owned an iphone 4S, 5S and 6.
          Buying an iphone doesn't make much sense to me anymore IMHO.

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        Apparently there is a very low yield (high failure rate) from cutting out the notch.

        • -4 votes

          Hope they did stay away from Sammy's batteries, one of the greatest product ever made on earth, portable bomb !

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        Why would you sell the competitor a better product than your own line of products, bad excuse is bad.

        • +1 vote

          Because it is profitable? and maybe copy, I mean work out how to put the extra layer tech in the next galaxy?

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          @entropysbane: Yep, getting rich uncle Apple to pay for the scale-up from prototype to mass production is an amazing business move.

        • +1 vote

          Samsung phones are manufactured by a different part of Samsung than the one that makes all the components; if they can make more money selling to Apple why would they care.

    • +22 votes

      Agreed the tech is not new… but apple has always said they don't care about doing it first.. they care about doing it right.
      Also history has shown when apple gets on board with tech it then becomes more widely used (which is good for the greater tech community) the wireless charging for example will become more widely accepted by phone users which will result in more and better wireless chargers.

      Samsung's face unlock has been shown that it can be tricked with a photo of the user etc, where as apple has ensured this is not the case with their tech especially given it is linked to apple pay etc.

      they are almost never first, but they are almost always better

      • +10 votes

        Apple beat Samsung with fingerprint & did it better

        • +1 vote

          Of course fingerprint readers were far from new, but Apple made the first one in a consumer product that worked 99% of the time and was fast, which is huge, because even working 90% of the time is useless.

          I do expect faceID will be more likely to fail, no word on if it works though sunglasses as yet, I'm going to be not, which is a fail for a phone with only a pin for backup. (Yes I know it works though 'glasses')

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          And the japanese have beat american brands of fingerprint sensors, 3d screens, facial recognition, iris scanning, nfc.

          AND they still have tech that no other phones have like Digital TV scanners Digital radio, best waterproofing, years with their flip phones even before the smartphone era.

          So i don't know why companies and their followers/sheep start a flame war for who did it first/better, cause they are neither.

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          @jerjergege: red herring…..to assuage cognitive dissonance

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          @Bargs:
          this tweet may be of interest https://twitter.com/KeithKrimbel/status/908389997891538944/p...

          particularly this bit from Craig Fed:

          -Will FaceID work with sunglasses?
          With most, but not all. Most sunglasses let in enough IR light that FaceID can see your eyes…

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          @Bargs: It can't be worse than Samsung's facial recognition that can be beaten by a photo.

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          @smartazz104: You do realise they say it's not secure in the setup. Can't believe the crap people still write about this.

          Try to beat the iris unlock.

          Apple's face unlock is different as it is using several cameras to map your face, both depth and features.

        • +1 vote

          @smartazz104: I don't think that face unlock is by Samsung. It has been around since Android 4.0 six years ago. It was never meant to be a secure system - that's why Samsung has iris scanning.

      • +15 votes

        Yep won't open and Yep can't be tricked even when being presented on stage still can't be opened.

        • +7 votes

          He admitted in an interview after the event that he picked up the wrong device.. u can clearly see him swap phones when it didn't open.

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          @jimbobaus: I read that someone/some others back stage had been holding/using the phone and it failed to recognise their face(s). When he went to use it, it forced him to enter the pin to unlock the Secure Enclave (the database that holds the faceid data) before being able to use Face ID again.

        • +2 votes

          @jimbobaus:

          He admitted in an interview after the event that he picked up the wrong device.. u can clearly see him swap phones when it didn't open.

          Apple had 2 phones on the table for the face-unlock demo, but only one of them was configured to face-unlock? That seems a little silly doesn't it?

          @animal:

          I read that someone/some others back stage had been holding/using the phone and it failed to recognise their face(s). When he went to use it, it forced him to enter the pin to unlock the Secure Enclave (the database that holds the faceid data) before being able to use Face ID again.

          Surely the very select few Apple staff who were trusted enough to be backstage during the most major iPhone launch ever would know the implications of fiddling around with the demo phones right before the launch? I'm sure the very engineers who worked on the feature would be backstage prepping the phone right before they go on stage.

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          @eug: Nah, as @jimbobaus mentioned it was part of the innovative presentation plan! lol!
          Rather being badge (when it comes vehicles and other commodities) or brand snobbery most of us tend to forego the shortcomings by convincing ourselves saying that it was all planned to have some twist in the presentation/ promo! Only thing most firms are care is wack each and every penny out your loyal customers.

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          What actually occurred was that the phone was being passed around prior to the presentation. Now when this phone was being passed around, the phone was scanning people's faces and since the phone only knows Craig's face, it locked the phone. It was a planning error rather than a technical error. However, this brings another issue into question. Will the phone just lock itself out every-time a friend opens it?

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          @ashg5446:

          Now when this phone was being passed around, the phone was scanning people's faces and since the phone only knows Craig's face, it locked the phone.

          My point is, only a select few people would have access backstage, and being the most significant iPhone launch ever (10 year anniversary, opening of the steve jobs theater, most premium iPhone ever), I'm pretty sure they would have had engineers who know the phone inside out prepping them right before they go on stage. Surely they know not to switch the phone on and pass the phone around while looking at it, then proceed to hand it to the Senior VP of Software Engineering to demo to the entire world for the first time.

          It's new technology, surely it's not hard to accept that it can fail. It's just surprising for it to fail during such a high-profile launch.

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          @ashg5446: well they can't open it. FaceID only works for one person. Which while a security feature in some cases can be annoying.

      • +3 votes

        Whoever bring new technology first, always gets feedback on issues which is the case for other brands over here.

        When apple adapts technology which is not new, they already know the issues which customers complains about and they fix it before even bringing it to market.

        Apple always said they are first one to introduce everything - mouse, iPod, iPhone, iPad…..

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        People said the same thing about Apple Pay.

    • +12 votes

      I never understood the "easy to use" part with iPhones, how is it easier compared to Android for example?

      I jumped iPhone band wagon years ago when it was was a novelty, but all the stupid restrictions like proprietary charging cable, no SD card slots, can't connect external HDD etc. made me switch to Android and never looked back.

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        Don't forgot that there is no file browser and you have to use iTunes to interface with the phone from a computer.

        • +1 vote

          Got a new work iPhone and tried to move my photos back to it. Literally spent hours before workmate told me it was not possible. Apple is Fisher Price rubbish.

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