I have terrible knees and have tried about a dozen different avenues so far. I'm considering going to see an Aboriginal healer.
Have any of you lovely people taken this route before?
Thank you in advance.
Anyone Visited an Aboriginal Healer before?
lookatthesizeofthat on 28/09/2017 - 19:57
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No you get high blood sugars, caused by insulin resistance, quite different things. If you had too much insulin you would be in serious trouble and in hospital and probably dead. Too much insulin will kill you.
@ninetyNineCents: the insulin builds up trying to break down the sugar, when the levy breaks, i pass out into a coma like state that is painful when i wake up, so finding ways to help my body lower the amount of insulin it makes helps me. I have been dead from no sugar, it hurts like a mofo when you get brought back. Every single cell in your body is having a cry.
Insulin resistance means your body for whatever reason, cant use the insulin you have to consume the sugars in your blood to help make energy for your body.
i just searched scholar.google.com for > insulin diabetes emu oil clinical trial < and that didnt find any thing..
Ther eare no research papers about it.
@ninetyNineCents: probably why i have trouble getting proper help and need to research other methods i can access without the magic scribble of an unambitious doctor.
What your describing isnt insulin resistance
Google and the US health dept ->
Prediabetes & Insulin Resistance | NIDDK
https://www.niddk.nih.gov › … › Diabetes › Diabetes Overview › What is Diabetes?
In prediabetes, the beta cells can no longer produce enough insulin to overcome insulin resistance, causing blood glucose levels to rise above the normal range. Once a person has prediabetes, continued loss of beta cell function usually leads to type 2 diabetes.probably why i have trouble getting proper help and need to research other methods i can access without the magic scribble of an unambitious doctor.
Well for starters you didnt use the correct terminology, you dont have insulin resistance.
Secondly your source that emu oil helps is complete bullshit as 5 secs will verify. Emu oil doesnt help insulin issues in anyway, i dont want to be negative im just pointing out facts.
@ninetyNineCents: All i got is what the doctor tells me. I am an anomly, wasnt supposed to be alive after the dying thing. had a blood sugar less than 1, managed to smack a doctor, at 2, stubbornly got out of bed to poop, passed out on way back.
@ninetyNineCents: you wanna be negative dont lie, you think 5 seconds on the google means you know stuff
you wanna be negative dont lie, you think 5 seconds on the google means you know stuff
What did i lie about ?
scholar.google.com searches all the worlds proper professional medical journals and research.
Thats where real research, and importantly the proofs are shared by doctors and others.
Everything else is bullshit.
The words of one or even a few doctors writing that it works doesnt cut it. If emu oil helped insulin issues, firstly it needs to be indepdently verified and repeated in multiple studies.
People who dont publish in peer reviwed clinical trials cant pass that simple and important test.
If no one can repeat what they claim = guess what its because its bullshit.
Thats your right if you want, but if you want to tell me that emu oil works and helps in certain cases, then be honourable and show me proof when i challenge you to demonstrate your claims with real facts.
If you cant or wont, then then you are bullshitting, plain and simple or you are parroting the words of someone else who is bullshitting.
I was never discussing your rights to free will, im discussing truth …
Suggestions from an Allied health background:
Consider conservative management before surgery in chronic conditions, seriously surgery is normally last option.
If you believe a treatment or health profession will work, it is more likely to, so spiritual healing may be beneficial for you, good luck.
A lot of knee conditions, are attributed to loss of muscle mass, increasing the forces exerted on the patellofemoral joint, this is a common cause of pain in osteoarthritis.
My suggestion would be around another 3-6 months of management for some hypertrophy and function restoration. That said you're not my client, unless we have a talk I can't provide a suitable treatment plan.Thank you for such a great response. There are so many variables at play and loss of muscle mass seems to be an important one. It's certainly a long haul and 3-6 months more sounds logical. The spiritual avenue is interesting and takes many forms, a potential benefit/positive. Do you interact with clients on Skype per chance?
I couldn't agree more, see a physio +/- an exercise physiologist who specialise in this area, and I would consider a pain clinic as well where you should get access to pain specialists and psychologists who exclusively see pain patients. You need eyes on this quite closely and consistently, I would be seeing a physio as regularly as possible - don't just get exercises, you need regular review and potentially a pain team if the pain is getting in the way of doing rehab, and to avoid you getting prescribed the wrong medications (i.e. high dose opioids).
If you are really that keen to waste money - I have some magic beans I can sell you
Link please?
Can I get Cashrewards on these beans? I'm waiting for 20%+ sale.
See you in 7 years
When I saw the 'vote no!' dp I cheered that JV is back from OzBargain jail.
Sadly not JV.
The grapevine shows JV is out of jail, having said that let's please stay on topic;)
Jake, you can change your avatar, don't be scared mate!
I haven't seen any mention of acupuncture. I had some minor issues with my ACL a few years ago prior to going snowboarding, and a single acupuncture session helped me. I don't know if it had a placebo effect but I had reservations on how it could actually work (but it seemed to nevertheless). However, I don't know if it just masks the pain or actually heals. For about $40 (before claiming on health funds), its a cheap, low-risk test.
Google Martin Koban, he knows his sh*t.
He looks like an interesting character, I'm just watching the video and read the comments below on you tube. Thank you very much indeed!
You're wasting your time, all these spiritual healing techniques of the elders such as gurus, etc (+ Chiro) are a diversion for trickery and theft.
You've got 2 options and this is without even looking at your synopsis, so they're at most, an opinionated advice:
If it's temporary/injury/:
Light exercise, increase blood stimulation to the area, high omega-3 and fatty oils, lose weight (to reduce knee stress)If it's chronic:
Pain killers / topical creams and possibly surgery.I saw a post about fluoride, is it best to have this in my diet or not and would it effect the knee?
very funny
Wasn't taking the piss. I don't use fluoride at all, not for many years. But I do know it's hard to get rid of and gradually builds up even though i stopped using it.
wait for a BNIB knee deal at eBay when they do another 15% off sitewide :)
What's BNIB? I feel I'm getting set up here. lol!
That's funnier than you know.
20%, done deal
Consider a Podiatrist.
Your pain may feel like knee joint pain, but could be related to mobility issues of the lower limb.
A GP is a referral man… he links you to the appropriate specialists. A Podiatrist is a lower limb specialist.thanks that's great, would it be wise to see a knee specialist first?
It's not clear what the surgeon recommended. Was it to use a knee brace for seven weeks? And what did they say when that didn't work?
First thing, because you feel a an emotional connection to Indigenous people/culture, go and see an Aboriginal healer and get that behind you. And yes, acupuncture (by the right acupuncturist) can work wonders. Acupuncture cleared up my chronic tennis elbow when Western medicine couldn't. And +1 for getting second and third opinions from surgeons, but try to see ones that specialise in sports injuries.
But if it was me, my next step would be to see a good exercise physiologist. Take along all your past X-rays, MRIs, blood tests and any other test results. They are skilled in putting together personalised exercise regimes that will build strength and stability in any part of the body, in your case, your knee. It may not be a miracle cure, but it may still be a godsend. Good luck.
Thank you, with regards with the exercise physiologist what does that entail? Is this something you've experienced yourself?
Have you tried faith healing? :)
Just rub some snake oil on your knees.
I can sell you some if you like.
Thank you, do you accept Western Union? lol
try fish oil, it helps me a lot.
but again ask for professional advice :)I have some fish oil, I might take it more often.
They generally heal through the use of cheap booze, 24-7.
wow the dude who's going to sing at the AFL had it so right. Lol, his exact quote "So I’m getting a lot of tweets from angry, old white dudes in Australia. Today I think there is a petition to ban me from playing."
From here http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/imma-go-harder-mac… hmm..
Please stop peddling this nonsense on here, it's so far off topic.
do you have flat feet? the way you stand, can impact your knees. you might need to look into orthotics.
im going through this exact same scenario at the moment: knees have been getting worse and worse over the past 24 months. have seen chiro, physio, done exercises, am not overweight, have tried the usual tablets (magnesium, fish oil etc) with no luck.
thinking positive can also help: even though my knees always hurt, i still take use the stairs in the office every day, i dont use the lift
I'm not sure if I have flatfeet, maybe I should see someone about it? the foot subject has been mentioned by a few other kind souls (excuse the pun) and there is something in it. Sorry to hear about your knees, I hope some of the other comments will help you, I have a list a mile long, it's very heart warming to have so many great people on this thread.
What do you think your moral forefathers who treated aboriginals worse than animals would have said that you ask Aboriginals for medical help ?
What do you think foreigners would of said if you asked the natives for medical help?
The q was rhetorical, its not about me but our friend who asked the origial q.
The types that would tell people to vote no, were the same types who said aboriginals believed in witchcraft and worshipped the devil.
Im not saying i believe them im just pointing out our friend the OP is forgetting the background of aboriginal thoughts and knowledge by bible bashers.
Sorry I'm not sure which 'types' you are referring to. Are they foreigners or natives?
types = bible bashers/religious people, whoa re telling the OP to vote no, also were the ones who condemned and treated aboriginals so poorly with their christian morals. Im just trying to point out these christians would not have thought well of anyone using "evil" "devil" medicine or help from the aboriginals.
So these types would of said things like
Aboriginal or any other medicine was basically worthless, maybe it had some good ideas but it also had some terrible ideas that probably would have killed you
?
When it comes to moral forefathers, I am pretty sure I am not related to mine by blood.
You might as well try homeopathic medicine if you're looking for what is essentially witch doctor class 'medicine'.
I fail to see how homeopathy would work here. Unless he is suffering a toxin overload, and I think the damage is too far gone for homeopathy to work. Think Vaccination, homeopathy is the business of making you strong to an irritant by exposing you to it in small doses to help you build resistance. Naturopathy is the business of using pharmacopoeia
I was being sarcastic. Homeopathy does not work because it's based on the nonsense belief that the more you dilute the active ingredient the more potent it becomes because the water or other dilutant has 'memory' of the active ingredient.
Vaccination and homeopathy are two different things. Vaccination exposes the body to significant quantities of a disabled microorganism (virus, bacteria, etc) so the immune system recognizes and develops a response for it should the system ever experience the real threat.
People think homeopathy works due to the placebo effect and because if you take a homeopathic cold medicine you will get better. It's not the medicine that made you healthy, but the natural progression and elimination of the disease by your immune system.
Homeopathy may not even expose the individual to one molecule of active ingredient per preparation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutionsI overdosed on homeopathic medicine by not taking it.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA A TOXIN OVERLOAD! REALLY? you would suggest that. Can you tell me what exactly a toxin overload is, what the mechanisms of actions are, what the specific toxins are?
Which doctor shall I see?
I don't really want to get into politics on this thread
No? Well you might want to consider changing your avatar then!
But to answer your question - the last Aboriginal healer I tried recommended covering my knees with honey and then introducing fire ants.
That certainly got me moving again!
Thanks for the tips on the knee, much appreciated. So are you saying that an Aboriginal person helped your knees?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Didn't fire ants only enter Australia from about 2001?
Not exactly traditional remedies handed down over generations.
Everyone has the right to innovate and adapt to thier new environment, even spiritual healers.
That's what we think!
Maybe they were here in another form 50000 years ago, and adapted into their present form.
So plenty of time for the healers to do their stuff!
And speaking of "innovating and adapting" - even some Tory politicians are now voting yes.
Maybe that's just "spiritual healing" at work!
There is a native version of the fire ant
Their tiny, red, live in dead branches and swarmI have found arnica and comfrey ointment to be helpful
Arnica is traditionally used to help heal bones. Comfrey for skin conditions.
@stormii: actually comfrey is known as knitbone.
Arnica is good for joint pain but both seem to work well together for me on knees , elbows ,wrists back
Sometimes you can find them mixed together in one ointment if you need to save money
But probably best to try one at a time to see which your body responds too
Rubbing the knees also increases blood flow to the area …
Have you tried Reiki ?, I've seen people completely transform with energetic healing, that divine energy is powerful stuff.
Iv'e not tried it but heard great things. I'll look further into it, thank you!
If alternative medicine worked then it would just be called medicine :)
I would put the money towards a proper specialist. They see these cases all the time. This may be judgemental but I suspect that an aboriginal healer will not not have detailed knee knowledge.
I will try to remember that next time i am listening to alternate music, that it is not in fact music.
I didn't say that but be my guest :)
It was the implication … just because we are on a boat…
Can't be sure if a troll or not
I tried going to an aboriginal healer and it worked, but I had to go back a few times because I didn't bring enough money with me the first time. Make sure you empty your bank account.
Don't give up your day job krizy.
? Look if you don't want to get better that's on you mate
Keep calm and carry on Krizy
@lookatthesizeofthat: Okay you're right, that was low. I apologise. Indigenous healers do legitimately help people with spiritual and mental health problems. I hope it works out for you.
Everyone says see a real doctor/surgeon etc, but I've had so many contradicting opinions from surgeons about my back, and I can see why OP is seeking alternative advice. I had one surgeon say I needed spinal fusion surgery asap (I'm in my 20's), and another say my back is in excellent condition.
Same goes with physios, the ones fresh out of Uni generally don't know what they're talking about (in my experience of seeing about 6 - 7 different ones). I ended seeing a physio with his PhD who actually seemed to care, and knew what he was talking about. My back is fine now despite having a slipped vertebrae (yes vertebrae), and I'm glad I didn't listen to the first surgeons advice.
Seeing a specialised physio (like someone with a PhD, or something more than a bachelors degree) if you're tired of seeing surgeons is something I'd recommend. I can send you the name of the guy I saw, though he's located in Perth. Good luck
Thank you for the kind reply, please send me the name by PM. The amount of different opinions iv'e had is amazing. So many variables really.
@lookatthesizeofthat I have tried traditional medicine before. I am not sure about traditional aboriginal medicine but it may be worth checking out. If its only spiritual etc then maybe you can stop. If you didn't have success with doctors, theres no harm just trying this one out
Here's a homemade remedy that is used in my parents household (no harm in trying)…
A Teaspoon each of Cinnamon powder, clove powder, ginger powder, cardamom powder added to a base of sesame oil (one cup of oil). Heated to infuse the oil with the spices. Let it cool, strain it into a container.
Rub the spice infused oil morning and night into your knee and surrounding muscles.
Theory is that all the spices and sesame oil are warming. Coupled with a massage, it brings some warmth into the area, which increases blood flow and helps with the healing.
And also… A saltwater warm footbath at the end of the day.
It does sound like a warm, invigorating balm, i would likely add orange zest too, but that would irritate sensitive skin.
Thank you, I'll try this out.
That recipe sounds really nice, it looks to be of Indian origin? I have put a turmeric paste on the knee before and seems to help a little, I'll give this a go as well! Thank you
What's the ratio of salt to water and is there a particular kind of salt, epsom perhaps?
The oil mixture is based on Ayurvedic mix. We do use tumeric in our oil mix, but find that it stains clothes badly so not so practical for everyday use! Even if you use pure sesame oil, it is a good warming oil.
Magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts). Or even table salt when you run out of Epsom salts for the foot bath works. Usually about half a small cup of salt to a foot bath.
Another thing that mum does is lie on the floor with her legs up the wall at 90° for 15 minutes at the end of the day. This helps blood flow back and reduce swelling. She even sleeps with pillow under her legs so they are elevated at night.
Btw - all of these are things that she has done religiously everyday mostly for years. She swears by it.
I would make sure you still get medical attention. But these small ideas cost you nothing and help relax you, so there is a real benefit in trying them!
Good luck
Thank you so much, I'll be sure to try these things out. Like you said, it costs nothing!
@lookatthesizeofthat: lastly, can I suggest you try being barefoot more often or try wearing barefoot shoes such as the Meryl vapor glove.
I would not go do any major exercises in them initially.
But the theory is that removing the cushioning from the shoes makes the foot muscles have to do more work and they build up over time. Which in turn means that you walk better and reduce stress on your joints.
However, initially your foot muscles are week and you could do damage if you go over board! I went for a run in my barefoot shoes (Vibram five fingers) before my feet were strong, and my calves were so sore for a week! It's a case of slowly getting used to no padding and walking differently.
The example I can think of to support my personal anecdotal and non scientific findings is… When you walk on soft sand vs hard sand by the water, you have to use a different gait. Even though running on hard concrete in my padded runners, It sort of feels like walking on soft sand when wearing padded shoes even though it is a hard surface and it causes discomfort to other joints.
But as always, see a Dr and specialist before listening to a random do gooder on the internet!
@ninetyNineCents: umm, i have insulin resistance, so i get very high insulin levels a lot.