NBN Coming Only Late 2018 to My House and I Am Happy It's Not Earlier

cameldownunder on 23/10/2017 - 11:53

I just checked on the NBN site, when they think NBN will be available to my house. I am glad it's not soon.

Statements like "NBN's obligation to pay back its costs to the government meant it could not lower the fees charged to retailers and hence consumers."
and "The NBN collects about $43 each month per home from retailers, but in order to cover costs it needs to ramp that up to $52."

and "If you want to continue having a fixed line at home, then you will need to have your home phone and internet service connected to the nbn network. Telstra is required to switch off our copper network within 18 months of the nbn network being available in an area (a requirement overseen by the ACCC)."

Which I interpret as: It's either the Governement RORT or Nothing, makes me think.

To make things worse "To level the playing field, the government is planning to charge a broadband levy of about $7 a month for each premises from fixed-line rivals to the NBN.", the governement is tampering with good old competition.

While in Switzerland, the most expensive country, unlimited internet at 40Mbit/s is costing CHF 45/month, in Australia consumers have ( right now, I am taking TPG ) to pay $60/ month.

By the time NBN arrives to my house, and I have to switch, it's probably more like $80 month.

On a last note: Who had the brilliant Idea to hire the ex CEO of Vodafail as CEO of NBN. With the rubbish network he provided under Vodafail, I really wonder.

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Comments

  • try2bhelpful on 23/10/2017 - 12:02
    +21

    Completely agree. The longer we go before NBN the more likely we are to find a wireless plan that suits us better. Personally I think, eventually, NBN will be business grade and the consumer will be given a localised wireless option. NBN is an absolute joke and it gets worse everytime they tinker with it. Telstra is laughing all the way to the bank as they managed to offload their copper onto this mob and got top dollar for it. Instead of the Government going, "here Telstra this is your mess as you have the best existing infrastructure" they have outsourced to people who had nothing to start with. Another white elephant foisted on us by both sides of politics.

    • chartparker on 23/10/2017 - 12:21
      +1

      This. We ended up getting pushed onto Uniti Wireless and couldn't be happier. Gonna stick with them even if the NBN eventually rolls its way through our area

    • Diji1 on 23/10/2017 - 13:37
      +8

      Telstra is laughing all the way to the bank as they managed to offload their copper onto this mob and got top dollar for it.

      Oh that's not even the half of it. Immediately after buying Telstra's degraded, end of life copper wire network for 9 billion dollars, Malcom Turnbull then awarded the maintenance contract to Telstra.

      "Maintenance" means slowly replacing all the copper wire at the public's expense while Telstra and Turnbull laugh all the way to the bank and half of Australia has shitty copper wire internet.

      You couldn't make this shit up.

      Please do not vote for Liberal or Labour if you want this crap to stop. They're morally bankrupt and controlled by corporations who direct them to transfer billions of dollars to their pockets.

      • RockyRaccoon on 23/10/2017 - 17:36
        +2

        Laughing all the way to the bank. Maybe read the news, Telstra profits have dropped, and they blame it on the NBN

        The change in policy follows a nine-month review of the company's cash position as it faces the NBN's rapid erosion of its traditional fixed-line phone and internet businesses. (ABC NEWS)

        Since Telstra sold its copper to NBN the rollout has accelerated their profits have dropped. It might be they should have held onto the copper and then the NBN would have been much slower and their profits maintained.

      • mattyman on 24/10/2017 - 12:10
        +34

        Don't put Labor in the same boat as the Libs when it comes to the NBN. Labor wanted it done properly. With FTTP.

        • vid_ghost on 25/10/2017 - 16:16
          +3

          yep… this is 100% the Libs mess.. we had a super sweet fiber 100-10,000mbps to the home network that the libs smashed into a 25mbps connection for all. lol

        • ThithLord on 26/10/2017 - 09:59
          +2

          @vid_ghost:

          "But who could possibly need 25Mbps!!1!!"

          — Phony Abbot

        • MetaphorOZB on 26/10/2017 - 13:01

          I agree with this comment, but it would be interesting to see if Labor actually would have delivered their NBN plan 100% if they had stayed elected.

          I get the feeling it would have been downgraded from what was initially planned, but still nothing like the trash we have been handed down from the Libs.

        • cowiie on 26/10/2017 - 20:07

          @MetaphorOZB: something you’ll never know

    • MetaphorOZB on 26/10/2017 - 13:08

      Honestly, I have had a good experience with NBN (albeit a rough start). I get 100mbps constantly, no matter the time of day, and that is more than enough for my family. I also have the ability to upgrade to 200mbps if I wanted (not worth the $ IMO).

      The thing that 99% of people don't understand is that you need the right ISP who has enough CVC to supply the speeds you have signed up for. This is where I went wrong initially but am happy since changing providers.

      Don't get me wrong, the NBN as a whole is trash compared to what it could have been under the original plan, but what we have been given is reasonable.

      • WreckTangle on 27/10/2017 - 13:13

        Probably not fttn node though

    • CMH on 27/10/2017 - 00:43

      The whole "Wireless is better than wired" argument is going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

      Building a half-arsed network which provides substandard service will just cause people to go to the best alternative, which in this case is wireless.

      The way I see all this being run is such:

      Rudd wanted to build a car factory, so we have less reliance on our overstretched public transport.

      MT came in mid-way through the car factory build, and converted it to a bicycle factory. The whole car factory thing was a scam because after 6 months of construction we didn't produce a single car! Besides we have buses, no need for cars; everyone will end up using buses anyway. Re-jigs construction, gets bicycle factory running in 1 month, calls it a success. Churns out 1m bicycles a month.

      Nobody buys bicycles since we can't be arsed pedaling for 40k's into the CBD. Gets on buses instead for the trip.

      MT gloats his prediction comes true that people prefer using buses than personal transportation.

  • CLoSeR on 23/10/2017 - 12:08
    +35

    My NBN costs about $80 a month but it is much faster and stable compared to my previous ADSL2+ service.

    I think trying to compare Switzerland to Australia is a mistake, one huge difference is size as Switzerland is 41,000 kilometres squared vs 7,692,000 in Australia.

    • AlienC on 23/10/2017 - 12:27
      +16

      For those wondering that's a ratio of 1:188

      • shaiguy on 23/10/2017 - 14:31
        +35

        And in that space ratio they also have better chocolates, watches, army knives and tennis players.

    • cameldownunder on 23/10/2017 - 12:39
      +2

      That's why they should leave the Copper-ADSL for remote places, instead of insisting that even rural Australia needs to be on NBN.

      • dazweeja on 23/10/2017 - 13:19
        +8

        One of the selling points of NBN was that people could work from anywhere. For example, you could run a global business from a regional location. Considering the current pressures on infrastructure in the capital cities, this is a good idea. It makes good economic sense too. Conversely if you leave the people living in regional areas behind, then they are more likely to move to the capital cities and make the problem worse.

        • cameldownunder on 23/10/2017 - 13:27
          -1

          One of the selling points

          And now that it has been sold, one of the major pains in the butt ?

          I agree that other centres should be connected well, like Bathurst for example, Mudgee is already questionable. But from there it could have been via copper again. Working from home is such a fata-morgana for most of the people. Just laying a fibre in the ground, does not change the mentality of employers.

    • Diji1 on 23/10/2017 - 13:40
      +8

      one huge difference

      The biggest difference is Switzerland has direct democracy where citizens vote on bills to be passed.

      There is no mechanism for corporate control unlike Australia's retarded representative democracy where corporation control public money by paying money to politicians and political parties, for example Telstra selling the gummints a copper nertwork for 9 billion dollars then getting awarded the maintenance contract.

      Telstra simply can't exist under the Swiss system.

    • Ryanek on 23/10/2017 - 13:52
      +6

      Lets compare us to Russia then, the worlds largest nation and STILL has a faster connection than us.

      • abb on 24/10/2017 - 14:59

        Source?

        I can believe Moscow & St Pete would have better internet than Aus on average, but I would be amazed if the Soviet slums in the remote towns have FTTP

        • Ryanek on 24/10/2017 - 15:09
          +4

          Australia is ranked 50th in the world. Here are the Top 50 compiled from the Akamai State of the Internet Report. Russia is 42.

          You underestimate the lack of connections to our own rural towns.

        • abb on 24/10/2017 - 15:42
          +1

          @Ryanek: It looks like they're measuring average speed of connected users, without factoring in the percentage of population connected. I wonder how the list would look if they measured that.

          Interesting to see that Australia ranks relatively high in mobile internet speeds (only ~7 countries beat us, all European)

          You're probably right though, I don't know the situation in remote places.

        • Ryanek on 24/10/2017 - 15:48
          +1

          @abb: Yeah you have a point, aussie usage is around 78% whereas russia is 50%.

    • Christy Bambi on 24/10/2017 - 11:00
      +1

      You know why we should compare ourselves to Switzerland, i want our country striving to be one of the best places to live on earth, not compete-ting with Bangladesh for the worse services delivered to its people. Our country Australia is rich in resource export and benefits heavily from this 'free' GDP while Sweden has to rely on its tech, finance and service industries to find its GDP foot. The government at the end of the day is squandering Australias resources and the people will have to suffer for it.

      • Harold Halfprice on 24/10/2017 - 23:53
        +5

        But Melbourne has been voted most liveable city for so many years in a row now that I've lost count.

        So clearly, we're fine. We got voted most liveable city. Don't let the shitty internet speeds, rising crime rates, unemployment and our own children not being able to afford a house distract you from that. Sure Switzerland might sound nice, but did they get voted most liveable city? Nah. Didn't bloody think so.

    • trongy on 24/10/2017 - 23:41
      +1

      Switzerland has 8.4 million people in that 41,000 sq.km.
      Sydney and Melbourne have a combined 9.7 million people living in 22,400 sq.km greater urban areas.

      That's not a fair comparison either, but if we're discussing wired internet connections, national population density isn't a major factor. 90% of Australia's population lives in cities or country towns. Both the Labor and the Liberal NBN plans are to have the population outside of urban areas serviced by fixed wireless or satellite connections, not by wired connections.

  • cypher67 on 23/10/2017 - 12:09
    +3

    My house is due early 2019 and also not keen for that switch. NBN was originally meant to be this incredibly fast and affordable solution for Australia. I constantly hear of speeds far less than customers old ADSL2 speeds and terrible inconsistencies with some connections coming to a crawl at night, but still charging a premium for the privileged. My mate was on the highest speed available to him, but only got 10% of that capacity. So he decided to save some coin and dropped down to a lower "Maximum speed" thinking it should have no impact, but instead it dropped even further. ADSL2 was far more consistent and affordable.

    • CLoSeR on 23/10/2017 - 12:36
      +25

      These speed issues will happen when your ISP doesn't purchase enough CVC bandwidth from NBN, certainly your choice of ISP for NBN service will impact your experience.

      • jimbobaus on 23/10/2017 - 12:51
        +3

        THIS!

      • cypher67 on 23/10/2017 - 13:02
        +2

        Good to know. How do I find out which ISPs have ample bandwidth?

        • CLoSeR on 23/10/2017 - 13:03
          +4

          Whirlpool forums will usually provide a good indication.

        • cypher67 on 23/10/2017 - 13:14
          +1

          So I just did a quick read, looks like Skymesh and Telecube are consistently recommended. Hopefully that doesn't mean everyone is going with them meaning less bandwidth.

        • dazweeja on 23/10/2017 - 13:27
          +7

          @cypher67:

          SkyMesh was before it was sold but I don't think it is anymore (eg,. https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2658429). Aussie Broadband seems the most recommended now IMO. As far as I'm aware, they are the only ones that knock back customers if a POI is oversubscribed. You can get a free trial for a month and see if it works for you:

          https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/317059

        • CLoSeR on 23/10/2017 - 13:52
          +3

          I'm happy with Internode, speeds are always fast even during peak periods.

        • RockyRaccoon on 23/10/2017 - 17:27
          +3

          @cypher67: I am using Telecube and speed is much faster than my old providers, but its NOT unlimited so those wanting massive downlaods (who hog the bandwidth) dont like to play with them, so I traded off unlimited for speed.

          You know its an issue when at 4pm to 10pm the speed sucks, then the kids go to bed and the speed slowly rises bak to max around midnight.

          Now While I notice some slower speed its no where near the Adsl2 speed others in my area complain about

          BTW I am FTTP, so its not the lines that are the issue

        • decr on 24/10/2017 - 09:48
          +1

          @RockyRaccoon:

          I'm with Telecube as well, so far with mixed experiences. How do you find overseas bandwidth in general (and where are you located)? I get a nominal 30Mbit down from the US, sometimes hit 50Mbit if lucky. Speed tests to Melb from Tassie cap out at 70Mbit/35Mbit on a 100/40 plan. And no, I'm not complaining, I switched due to no contract and lower cost than Internode so you get what you pay for I suppose.

          I've only been with them maybe 3 months and so far have noticed several occasions where even local transfers (going via Melb… grr) between ISPs stall to around 30kbps which is really annoying. Most of the time it's fine, but yeah after getting kids to bed and you sit down to watch something that "speed" gives me the shits. I'm on FTTP as well. So far their support has been adequate, never had such issues with Internode though but then again I think they are a bit pricey for what you get. Anyway, $69/month for an "advertised" 100/40 and unlimited transfers (for my use case anyway) I can't complain too much.

          I'd be interested to hear other people's comments too if they are with Telecube.

        • Nitro on 24/10/2017 - 10:30
          +1

          I've been on Telecube for a few months now and can absolutely recommend them. I based my choice on info from Whirlpool as I didn't want to end up with something that slows to a crawl like all the stories you hear.
          I am on FTTN 100/40 and speed is almost always 55/20 (which is just below what my modem indicates is my max line speed, so no complaints there)
          I have never had an evening slowdown, and whilst it is not unlimited, I have never had an issue on the 1TB (plus offpeak) plan.
          My plan is just under $70 a month so about $5 a month more than what I was paying for ADSL2+ with 4x the speed. Plus no phone line rentals, means it is actually now cheaper.

      • xravisher on 24/10/2017 - 16:16

        I Cannot Vote For your post anymore! The ISP's/RSP's need to purchase more CVC!!!!! there needs to be legislation brought in so that RSP's have to buy a "minimum" amount for each active customer on their network. Instead of maximizing profits.

        Ideally if the Libs didnt get their hands into the mix, most of us would have 100/40 FTTP and the speed for almost everyone will be sufficient!

      • xravisher on 24/10/2017 - 16:20
        +1

        Whirlpool forums discuss the best ISP's/RSP's but in a nutshell:

        • Skymesh (Got good reviews at the beginning)
        • Telecube (Good, I'm on them, uses Vocus backbone so routed via Melbourne, not great for latency)
        • AussieBB (Considered the best thus far AFAIK)

        The worst:

        • Any ISP acquired by TPG (Internode, iiNet, Netspace) to name a few
        • Telstra (Worst based on consumer reviews)
        • CLoSeR on 24/10/2017 - 16:41
          +1

          No problems with Internode here, much of the network is still seperate from TPG.

        • xravisher on 24/10/2017 - 17:05

          @CLoSeR:

          Glad to hear it mate! For your sake I hope they don't dig in their claws into Internode, in order to maximize their profits.

          That being said, David Teoh isn't known for quality when it comes to his relentless and cut-throat business acumen.

        • solidussnake on 25/10/2017 - 13:02

          Im on skymesh its 93mbs until PEAK hour then the magic happens 5-10mbs if im lucky…

        • CLoSeR on 25/10/2017 - 19:22

          @solidussnake: Skymesh had such a good reputation for a long time, surprised your peak speeds are that bad. Have you complained to SkyMesh?

        • solidussnake on 25/10/2017 - 19:50

          @CLoSeR: Had complained to ACCC and also them, they simply blamed it on NBN and not themselves

        • CLoSeR on 26/10/2017 - 07:17

          @solidussnake: Make the switch.

        • ShortyX on 26/10/2017 - 12:38
          +1

          @CLoSeR: Skymesh was sold and they reduced CVCs to save money.

        • ShortyX on 26/10/2017 - 12:39
          +1

          @solidussnake: Switch to Aussie Broadband. Skymesh was sold and they reduced CVCs to save money.

        • CLoSeR on 26/10/2017 - 13:23

          @Stix: Thanks for the clarification Stix.

        • solidussnake on 27/10/2017 - 10:30

          @Stix: Last night was around 60mbs (Thurs night late night shopping maybe) I'll try tonight and if its bad i'll switch over to Aussie BB which is acutally $10 cheaper and doesnt have that rubbish peak and off peak limits like Skymesh. THanks for the help guys.

        • ShortyX on 27/10/2017 - 11:47

          @solidussnake: If it’s $10 cheaper, it’s a no-brainer! :)

    • 87percent on 23/10/2017 - 14:44
      +6

      FWIW, I'm anti-NBN as the next person, but you're more likely to hear the horror stories than the ones that have gone through successfully and the user is downloading at their near maximum speed

  • Beanvee on 23/10/2017 - 12:17

    Yea I'm worried, my area is next year too and they're cutting off cable. I get stabled 100mbs speeds on cable, and with all the complaints about NBN I've heard I'm worried I won't reach 100mbs anymore.

    • DangerNoodle on 25/10/2017 - 05:44
      +1

      I swapped to optus mobile broadband funnily enough. $70 for 140gb a month, I get 126mbit at my location with the netgear ac800s triple carrier aggregation . Others get over 300mbit. Just waiting for optus to bump up their data limits further.

    • bonkers22 on 25/10/2017 - 09:51

      I was forced off cable about two months ago for HFC NBN. To be honest the speeds are actually much more consistent and I'm on the 100mbps. Just really depends how many neighbours are on high bandwidth plans too.

      • Beanvee on 26/10/2017 - 15:01

        Well before I moved in real estate agent didn't even know if my apt complex even had any internet connections, and I'm in an 'affordable' area so my impression is most people don't even have/use internet. Cable has never been hit by peak traffic, so hopefully NBN is the same.

  • whodidthat on 23/10/2017 - 12:47
    +1

    The end is nigh!

  • jimbobaus on 23/10/2017 - 12:50
    +6

    On a last note: Who had the brilliant Idea to hire the ex CEO of Vodafail as CEO of NBN. With the rubbish network he provided under Vodafail, I really wonder.

    Bill Morrow was the person hired to FIX Vodafone's network.. and fix it he did
    Number 1 for urban coverage in Aus.
    Widest 4G Coverage of any carrier in Aus
    5 Star Canstar Rating for mobile broadband

    • cameldownunder on 23/10/2017 - 13:17

      6 x 4* and 1 x 3* on https://www.canstarblue.com.au/phone-internet/phone/mobile-p…

      Anyway, thanks for the info.

    • dazweeja on 23/10/2017 - 13:22
      +1

      What is the source for your claims regarding best urban and widest 4G coverage?

    • try2bhelpful on 23/10/2017 - 14:26
      +2

      if Vodaphone is so good, why is it demanding access to Telstra Infrastructure. If Telstra concentrated all their efforts in Urban areas I'm sure they would have no trouble dumping all over Vodaphone.

      • Matslurpee on 24/10/2017 - 11:45

        Because telstra continues to get government funding to build regional towers qhile the other telcos don't.

        The government is literally subsidizing telstras network.

        • try2bhelpful on 25/10/2017 - 06:49
          -1

          I’m sure the government would subsidise vodaphone if they offered to build towers in regional areas.

  • manuemasse on 23/10/2017 - 12:53
    +4

    And don't forget the $300 new development fee. What a joke!

    • MrTweek on 24/10/2017 - 11:30
      +2

      But that is the same for copper lines.
      Still a joke though, but a very old one unfortunately :(

  • fossilfuel on 23/10/2017 - 13:30
    +16

    Optus is forcing my area to transition to NBN by the end of the month. We pay $60 for cable at the moment at get 100Mbps but once we're connected to the NBN, we'll be stuck with 12Mbps speeds max at the same price.

    Thanks to all the dumbshits who voted for this government. We were on track with getting FTTP instead of FTTN and now we're here to suffer.

    On a last note: Who had the brilliant Idea to hire the ex CEO of Vodafail as CEO of NBN. With the rubbish network he provided under Vodafail, I really wonder.

    When you have rich people running the country, they're looking after their interests, not yours. Let's hope the dual citizenship fiasco removes some of these ratbags.

    • Diji1 on 23/10/2017 - 13:44
      +2

      the dual citizenship fiasco removes some of these ratbags.

      It won't.

      Australia's democracy is fundamentally broken. The system needs to fall to be replaced with a direct democractic system.

      • RockyRaccoon on 23/10/2017 - 17:32
        +2

        What's a demoCRACTIC system?

        Direct voting on every issue?

        How the hell can we assess all the issues with each proposal?

        Social media? Print Media? TV?

        • cameldownunder on 25/10/2017 - 14:15
          +1

          All of them. People have less time to watch trash TV and read trash magazine, and start to care about what is happening.

    • dealsucker on 24/10/2017 - 09:07
      -8

      100 mbps on cable? How is that even possible?

    • Christy Bambi on 24/10/2017 - 11:02
      +2

      Completely agree with you on those dumb arses who voted the liberal government in. Now everyone is stuck with this crap internet infrastructure.

  • JimmyF on 23/10/2017 - 13:58
    +10

    You get what you voted for…….

    • havebeerbelywillsumo on 23/10/2017 - 14:17

      The problem with that statement is……both major options are, well, no longer much of an option.

      Better - "You can't get to vote with effect for what you want"

      • JimmyF on 23/10/2017 - 18:26
        +7

        Well the people voted and we got NBN 1.0 that was FTTP to most places by one gov, the people voted again and hello NBN 2.0 aka FTTN by another gov and now NBN 3.0 akak FTTC trying to save face.

        • RockyRaccoon on 23/10/2017 - 20:41

          Isnt the issue that the first vote while for a better quality wasnt financially viable. We were one of the first to have FTTP, but that was 7 years after the original promise, and had been put back over a year from when it was first slated for delivery. (which surprise surprise was just before an election was held)

          So the real choice has always been

          Keep the quality high, and just have to wait.
          Lower the quality and roll it out faster

          Given the NBN is based on so called paying for itself (which we now know it wont even with the cheaper version), its been an economic decision.

          In my case we had 5 guys take 5 days to install the cable, which had to be pulled up and relaid about 5 months later. Even now its not to the depth underground it should be.

          So to keep the costs down they skimp on the back haul rates especially with unlimited download connections.

          Poorly conceived and poorly implemented by both sides of politics. Now we could have a far better NBN, but the money is now being spent on second rate subs built in a third rate city, at a higher cost (Our taxes) to gain votes that both sides of politics need.

        • JimmyF on 23/10/2017 - 21:37
          +2

          @RockyRaccoon:

          Isnt the issue that the first vote while for a better quality wasnt financially viable

          Thats what crabbott wanted you to believe. The fact is, the NBN 2.0+ project is on track to blow out to even more than the NBN 1.0 FTTP worse case budgets due all the money wasted on FTTN and all the issues relating to copper and having to buy the HFC networks. NBN bought Optus HFC network only to toss it away as it wasn't fit for purpose! Hows that value for money?

          Its laughable

          We were one of the first to have FTTP

          In my case we had 5 guys take 5 days to install the cable, which had to be pulled up and relaid about 5 months later

          First ones always have 'issues', the first FTTN areas had issues too. Its the nature of the beast. Just with FTTN those issues never ended as FTTN is crap.

          As we screamed lets install FTTN, the UK was pulling it all out!

        • RockyRaccoon on 24/10/2017 - 12:39
          +1

          @JimmyF: First ones always have 'issues

          Correct

          However you skip the point that this was 7 years after NBN was announced. The speed of rollout until then would have meant no issues with the NBN as most would still have no connection, so nothing to compalin about.

          Like almost every government run project mismanagement is built in, as politicians realise that what makes business sense doesnt mean votes. So bypassing sites that are never going to make money (as in my case) means lost votes, and they want votes now rather than 10 years later.

          And we reward that behaviour.

          Simple but that's life.

          If they doubled the NBN access fee, then we could all have FTTP now!

        • IamEzza on 25/10/2017 - 19:30
          +1

          @RockyRaccoon:

          Rudd government was elected in Nov 2007 on FTTP policy.
          Financial arrangements made in 2008
          Technologies selected and NBN Co established in 2009
          First FTTP connections in 2010
          Deal negotiated with Telstra 2011 to shut off copper connections
          2012 FTTP rollout in full swing and continuing to ramp up
          2013 Asbestos found in Telstra pits
          2013 Election happened FTTP gets canned, NBN Board forced to resign, new chairman appointed (ex CEO of Telstra), New board appointed with new CEO

        • RockyRaccoon on 25/10/2017 - 21:44

          @IamEzza: Correct and in 2007 we were "promised" it would be completed in 7 years

          So since the first FTTP was in 2012, and I was due in 2013 which eventually came on in 2014 I guess I got what was promised. However the most of Australia missed the promised date.

          So under tribe1 you would get FTTP - ONE day - problem being which day or which millennium

          Under tribe 2 you got FTTN, which given tribe 1's rollout speed record, track record would still be ADSL like the OP

          So in reality under either tribe you get screwed

        • IamEzza on 25/10/2017 - 23:36

          @RockyRaccoon:

          It's hard to know how fast they could have rolled out FTTP. Because it wasn't until 2012 or so that the rollout began in earnest, all the technologies and deals with Telstra had to be done first. A lot of backbone stuff had to happen first too before they could hook up individual connections.
          Then the election happened right at the time when the rollout should have been in a big ramp up phase.
          Sure, FTTP would have been slower overall but there is no real reason why it couldn't have been decently fast once ramped up.
          It would have been tolerable if they concentrated on areas that had the worst connections first, and gradually moved along from worst existing connections and finally finishing at the end of the rollout with those that already had decent connections (ie those with Telstra cable)

        • RockyRaccoon on 26/10/2017 - 06:34
          +1

          @IamEzza: Yes I would agree with you, its hard to compare what may have happened with what did. Which is what every armchair expert is trying to do.

          However that comes back to my real point. Pollies tell it like what you want. (either persuasion will tell whatever to get that magic 51%)

          Tell you something you dont want to hear and we dont elect them.

          If (for example only) Kevin had told us it was going to take 14 years to roll out rather than 7 would he got as many votes?

          Of course FTTP could have been rolled out faster, and yes FTTN will mean higher long term costs if you replace it with Fibre down the track.

          As we know as bargain hunters, a bargain isnt a bargain if you cant afford it. FTTP or a hospital, school, dsiability scheme, cheaper house, all come from the same pot, which in the end is our pockets.

          And since we are predicting, will 5G or 6G supersede FTTP anyway. Like Australia investing in internal combustion engines when electric motors are now the thing.

          If you could bottle hindsight, and sell it…. 😇

  • dcep on 23/10/2017 - 14:28
    +1

    people here says go for wireless but how much per month ?

    $90/month ? can't afford that.

    • FeRGan on 23/10/2017 - 16:57
      +1

      $70 with Optus data only sim, 140 GB a month.

    • Speckled Jim on 24/10/2017 - 09:58

      Kogan (Voda) cheaper again, but 16Gb/mth maximum.

    • DangerNoodle on 25/10/2017 - 05:47

      Optus is $70 for 140gb per month on mobile broadband, I get 126mbit on this, others get up to 300mbit.

      What people mean when they say wireless is nuskope and uniti wireless. They use a satellite on your roof aimed at their towers. Prices are much more reasonable compared to mobile broadband at the moment and speed is more stable than nbn.

  • daleyboy79 on 23/10/2017 - 14:54
    +8

    Well i absolutely love my 100/40 FTTP NBN from TPG that ive had for 3+yrs :)

    • lainey13 on 24/10/2017 - 13:00
      +1

      Same everything except with Optus.

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