NBN Coming Only Late 2018 to My House and I Am Happy It's Not Earlier

cameldownunder on 23/10/2017 - 11:53

I just checked on the NBN site, when they think NBN will be available to my house. I am glad it's not soon.

Statements like "NBN's obligation to pay back its costs to the government meant it could not lower the fees charged to retailers and hence consumers."
and "The NBN collects about $43 each month per home from retailers, but in order to cover costs it needs to ramp that up to $52."

and "If you want to continue having a fixed line at home, then you will need to have your home phone and internet service connected to the nbn network. Telstra is required to switch off our copper network within 18 months of the nbn network being available in an area (a requirement overseen by the ACCC)."

Which I interpret as: It's either the Governement RORT or Nothing, makes me think.

To make things worse "To level the playing field, the government is planning to charge a broadband levy of about $7 a month for each premises from fixed-line rivals to the NBN.", the governement is tampering with good old competition.

While in Switzerland, the most expensive country, unlimited internet at 40Mbit/s is costing CHF 45/month, in Australia consumers have ( right now, I am taking TPG ) to pay $60/ month.

By the time NBN arrives to my house, and I have to switch, it's probably more like $80 month.

On a last note: Who had the brilliant Idea to hire the ex CEO of Vodafail as CEO of NBN. With the rubbish network he provided under Vodafail, I really wonder.

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Comments

  • try2bhelpful on 23/10/2017 - 16:07

    Apparently Malcolm is agreeing with us on NBN.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcol…

    • Russ on 23/10/2017 - 21:46
      +14

      Of course he would, that's always been his long-term plan. We're now at Phase 2.

      Malcolm's Phase 1: Get it up and running, but cripple it along the way, so everyone complains about it.
      Malcolm's Phase 2: Stop spruiking how good it is, and start saying how it will never make a profit
      Malcolm's Phase 3: Sell it at a loss, probably to Telstra
      Malcolm's Phase 4: Leave politics, and surprise surprise, Malcolm is offered a high-paying consultancy position with Telstra.

      Once you know the plan, it's pretty obvious why Malcolm made all the choices he did. At every chance he has shovelled money towards Telstra.

      • try2bhelpful on 24/10/2017 - 07:54
        +2

        This should’ve been Telstra responsibility from the start, if the minister of the day hadn’t got his nose out of joint it would’ve been.

        Personally I think governments should be responsible for infrastructure to guarantee supply and a level playing field on providers. This whole outsourcing rubbish, both by governments and companies, is to give management a convenient way to say they aren’t responsible for the mess, it is the outsourcer. Then some poor low level drones in the company have to make the arrangement work. Then you get the insanity of one company outsourcing work to another company that the outsources to a third company, usually overseas. Each company has to make a profit and how do you fix the blamestorm that follows. Customer service is an absolute joke.

      • RockyRaccoon on 24/10/2017 - 12:42

        My Phase 5

        Up the charges by and charge more for download capacity. No free rides.

        You want F1 speed, pay F1 price

        Rather than current plan by all pollies, to do it on the cheap.

        I dropped unlimited download and changed providers, now I get faster speed for the same price.

        • Russ on 25/10/2017 - 04:26

          Rather than current plan by all pollies, to do it on the cheap.

          All pollies? But the Libs continuously complain the Labor version of NBN is the gold-plated Rolls-Royce version. Gold-plated Rolls-Royces aren't cheap!

        • RockyRaccoon on 25/10/2017 - 10:18

          @Russ: Oh dear

          You are caught up in this silly political game as much as the pollies.

          I was referring to the charges made to us NOT the cost of the System.

          If the cost of the system wasnt gold plated then they wouldnt have to recover the costs from us via charges or taxes.

          Like now the CVC costs are managed on the cheap by not providing adequate bandwidth for the demand at peak times

          My point was since both sides have mismanaged the NBN, so stop trying to hide it and do delivery on the cheap.

          Politically they wont admit, like the with energy, that all these grandious plans do cost.

          And who pays - us with poor service or higher fees. At the moment since we wont accept the higher fees we get poorer (cheaper) service

      • IamEzza on 25/10/2017 - 19:37

        Phase 1.1: Appoint buddy Ziggy Switkowski, former Telstra CEO of as new chairman of NBN Co
        Phase 1.2: Re-negotiate a worse deal with Telstra to buy copper network access of them (again) and then also negotiate to pay them an ongoing maintenance fee for them to maintain the network because the network will still use part of the old copper network (FTTN)

        • RockyRaccoon on 25/10/2017 - 21:58
          +1

          True, but you miss the point. The other fella promised you internet nirvana, which he never could or would deliver, until sometime well into the future.

          Like bird in hand is worth 2 in bush, unless of course you were living in a key electorate like Port Macquarie/New England or Tasmania - all centres of internet need, where votes kept the pollies in power

        • Russ on 26/10/2017 - 00:50

          Don't forget
          Phase 1.3: stack the board with former Telstra executives, despite the obvious conflict of interest.
          Phase 1.4: allow all of the NBN executives and board members to keep their Telstra shares, despite the obvious conflict of interest.

          I'm sure there are several other phases that I've forgotten over the years. It's been like watching a Ferrari get shot to pieces, in ultra-slow motion.

  • Mrbean007 on 23/10/2017 - 17:54
    +1

    Nbn is not as bad as they make it out to be
    With optus nbn and loving it

    http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/3315386829

  • billy3000 on 23/10/2017 - 19:37

    I cant wait for it. it must be better than my foxtel/Telstra adsl.. lucky to get 4mbs at the best of times.. I am less than 20km from Melbourne CBD.

    • pretz92 on 24/10/2017 - 03:41
      +1

      distance from cbd doesnt affect it, its all distance from exchange

    • PVA on 25/10/2017 - 22:00

      You can't get HFC?

  • DogGunn on 23/10/2017 - 19:52
    +1

    We have an apartment just outside of Montreux in Switzerland, which currently has a VDSL2 connection with a maximum sync rate of 31Mb/s (maximum speed on the VDSL connection is 100/20). While much of Switzerland is getting FTTP, provided by the main carrier Swisscom (owned by the Swiss Government) our property is being skipped and we will have to remain on the VDSL2 connection, where the node isn't even located in our basement.

    So it's not like the situation under the NBN is completely unique.

    For what it's worth, we pay CHF45/m unlimited for 40/8 with Sunrise.

    • CLoSeR on 23/10/2017 - 20:20

      That's unlucky, NBN FTTB and am syncing at about 130Mbps downstream on a 100/40 connection.

      So Switzerland isn't all that after all.

      • cameldownunder on 24/10/2017 - 10:58

        Just picked the cheapest. chf45/month. How much do you pay?

  • Speckled Jim on 24/10/2017 - 09:45

    Ohhh, wake up Australia!

    Slowly dawning awareness of the political machinations — sabotage, blame-shifting and gouging — that comes with each and every major initiative these days.

    Crow? More like canary in the coalmine. Being in Tassie, I had fibre to the home in 2013. I was disgusted at the mess, the criminal damage to private and Council property, the degradation to voice services and standover/ultimatum tactics of NBNCo.

    Damaged driveways? Degraded footpaths? Exposed and vulnerable infrastructure? Gravel-filled trenches? Discarded bits of glass filament everywhere? Clueless contractors riding the gravy train?
    Check x6
    All in the name of "First-class Internet". Which they also failed at.

    For sounding the clarion call; for sounding a well-intentioned warning I was shunned as a philistine both here and WP. I'd like to gloat, but it's beneath me.

    Experience has taught me that vindication in excess is both intoxicating and intensely bitter.

    • johnno07 on 26/10/2017 - 19:27

      I'd like to gloat, but it's beneath me.

      Didn't sound like it!

  • Scab on 24/10/2017 - 10:13

    NBN's obligation to pay back its costs to the government

    I can never understand why the NBN has to pay back what it costs, it's an investment and the benefits cannot be quantified like that.

    I'm getting it mid next year and can't wait, I'm paying for ADSL2+ and only getting 5.6Mbps download and 0.7 upload.

    Getting FTTC and the Telstra pit is out the front so I should get much better speeds and I can ditch the landline I have now.

    Currently paying $83 a month for 120GB limit with phone rental included, which I never use.

    • DangerNoodle on 25/10/2017 - 05:51
      +1

      You should swap to optus mobile broadband with the netgear ac800s modem. I pay $70 for 140gb per month and bought the modem outright (also available on a plan), see my 126mbit speed via the link.

      http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/3245637437

      I've seen others on whirlpool get over 200mbit on the same setup. There are some getting over 300mbit.

      • dbun1 on 26/10/2017 - 10:55
        +1

        This is the way forward - wireless will only get better and better

      • 1Kenobi on 26/10/2017 - 21:10

        Is $70 for 140gb a special or normal deal
        I'm keen but only see $70 for 100gb plans
        Any clues appreciated

        • DangerNoodle on 27/10/2017 - 05:10

          It's a special in store and online, but it's for sim only, hence I bought the modem outright. Other trick is that optus use data pooling, you can get the modem on a cheaper plan and add that plan's data to it. I just walked in to a store and bought the modem for $240 and signed up to the plan in store.

  • Cheeper on 24/10/2017 - 11:16
    -5

    @cameldownunder…
    Sorry mate but you have fallen victim to the old "propaganda" machine…
    We have had fttn for the past 2 yrs without the slightest problem. Something that many hate to hear.
    Of all the people we know that also have it only a few have had a problem but out of them no one had a problem that was attribultable to the nbn. The same people would have had the same problem with fttn also… they had very old hardware that was usually corrupted and choked to the hilt, house phone wiring faulty, still had phones connected to the sockets, incorrect router/modem configs (very common), etc..
    You will see politically biased places bashing the nbn all they can, the ABC is one example. Their reason is 99% political.

    "While in Switzerland,…"
    Many people compare small or highly populated countries with ours… I hate to have to inform you but Australia is a little different to Switzerland, or Japan, or Korea … Be realistic.
    Fibre to the node may be a cool idea but can your country afford it? How long will the project take to complete?
    The major problem in aust was the inability of so many to not be able to connect to bb, not access faster porn.
    The fttn addresses that problem in a manner that we can afford and much faster than fttp ever would.

    • cameldownunder on 24/10/2017 - 11:30

      If you read my post, you would see that i "Rant" about the government not liking competition to it's NBN and FORCING people to switch, and punishing competitors with taxes, levies, fees.

      My comparison to Switzerland was because many people see it as THE MOST EXPENSIVE COUNTRY in the world. And hence the Internet and Phone being expensive too. But you have the choice of at least 3 providers.

      I had UNLIMITED internet in Switzerland since 2004, at a staggering chf 69 / month. Here in Australia I switched to Unlimited around 2010. Before it was too expensive.

      My niece has UNLIMITED mobile broadband on her mobile for chf 70$.

      Not so much "Most expensive country in the world"

      • CLoSeR on 24/10/2017 - 13:44
        +1

        My experience in Switzerland was that food was very expensive.

    • [Deactivated] on 24/10/2017 - 12:43
      +2

      I recall burger king meal menu was about AUD $30-$50 in Switzerland so go figure..

  • CGradeCyclist on 24/10/2017 - 11:53

    I am desperat efor NBN to come along. Am currently the second-last house (literally) at the end of a ~4km copper line on ADSL. My absolute peak speed is 3-meg down & 2 meg up. Usually its 1.5-2 down and 1 up. Glacially slow. I'll take any improvement the NBN provides…

    • cameldownunder on 24/10/2017 - 12:21

      My top download is 1.5 MByte/s. 10 Mbit/s. Up is RIDICOUSLY slow, about 50KBytes/sec.
      So I do welcome the NBN, but not the way it does.

    • tassietigermaniac on 26/10/2017 - 04:00

      You won't even be getting that for upload… I'd have to see the speed test to believe it

  • Autonomic on 24/10/2017 - 13:59

    I have NBN (FTTN) and I wish it was delayed till 2020 or earlier. There'd be a chance of Labour returning to power and getting FTTP or, failing that, switching to FTTC which they seem to be doing more and more of. FTTN is terrible in comparison and I'd have switched to wireless ISP like NuSkope or even Vivid to tide me over till then.

    • CLoSeR on 24/10/2017 - 14:18

      What are your issues with FTTN? I'm very happy with FTTB and can't see how FTTH would make my experience any better.

      Is your complaint low sync speed?

      • Autonomic on 24/10/2017 - 17:17

        I only see 50mbps and that's all I'll ever see until the network is replaced. Whereas FTTC could get up to 1000mbps.

  • ruddiger7 on 24/10/2017 - 14:05
    +1

    I've been very lucky with the NBN, in Aspley where I live we were one of the first suburbs to get NBN in Australia so we have a fairly decent FTTH connection. I still live at home though and am dreading moving out next year where I likely wont have that connection.

    Prior to NBN we had a cable connection that ran at 100mbps, optus wanted an extra $20 to provide us with the same speed. We said we wouldn't get on NBN unless they matched it, and they caved and did.

  • ahly92 on 24/10/2017 - 14:41
    +3

    Surly the sc*m in the Liberal party must be held accountable! Treason
    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/kevin-rudd-blames-malcolm-turnbul…

  • TheBean on 24/10/2017 - 16:13

    Had ADSL and the moved on to NBN at my home.

    Have had a few drop outs where the speed goes down to 1.5mpbs down, but over the past year that's only happened maybe four times and last for a day. In general i get 60-90mbps download (on 100/40 plan).
    I'm happy with it, my ADSL previously was poo. Overall, I was worried about FTTN initially, but it isn't that bad. I'd say I have the same amount of trouble as I did previously on ADSL and it's overall faster…
    I pay about $15 more from my previous contract and don't have unlimited data but I'm done with downloading everything so there no need for unlimited data.

    Would have loved FTTP or FTTC though.

  • Brainwhacker on 24/10/2017 - 16:33

    One wonders what the real cost of the inferior internet will be to productivity and the future generations; just highlights the risks of policy decisions

  • ShadowStealer7 on 24/10/2017 - 17:20

    My house is coming late next year and I need it to be sooner

    But then again my current internet is mobile 4G and I'm getting Fixed Wireless

  • snajper on 24/10/2017 - 18:53
    +1

    I live 50m from the exchange and i am getting 22mbit from my adsl link. My NBN is due in Late 2018 and I hope it gets delayed.

  • edwardcr on 24/10/2017 - 19:24

    Like the OP, my suburb - only 3 klm from Brisbane city - is not due for connection until late 2018.

    This is ridiculous in a so-called advanced first-world country

    But also like the OP, I'm somewhat pleased about that. It gives me time for something better to come along - more upload speed and more reliability from NBN, or cheaper and bigger mobile internet plans (I need at least 500GB a month).

    But in the meantime, my ADSL2+ connection works very well - 7000kbps down / 1000 kbps up, and always between 1 and 4 months without a disconnection!

    But it was annoying to see on 4 Corners last night that Dunedin in NZ has genuine 1000Mbps down and 400Mbps up.

  • GregOwen4 on 24/10/2017 - 21:00
    +1

    NBN is a joke!
    My current situation - Overhead Optus HFC to my private pole - Conduit on the external part of the pole - underground to my wall.

    NBN installer says NBN co can't touch my pole - WTF? Installer says would be very easy for him to just connect my existing co-axial cable to NBN's one or alternatively put a new cable through the same conduit - except, he will lose his job if he does it :(

    Called NBN line 6 times in the last 3 weeks - apparently it is being escalated but still nothing :(
    Bunch of morons!

    • PVA on 25/10/2017 - 22:07

      Nbn isn't using Optus hfc cable though.

    • tassietigermaniac on 26/10/2017 - 04:05

      NBN aren't legally allowed to work on that pole. They would need to raise a ticket to Optus (or whoever owns the pole) and get of their techs to supervise. I agree it sucks, but blame the pole owner as they have obviously refused to sign an agreement with NBN in the past to bypass the issue.

      The employee would be directly liable for the cost or labour of undoing his work and repairing the damage that is left over. Please be nice to him

      • GregOwen4 on 26/10/2017 - 18:01

        I own the pole and the conduit :(

        • tassietigermaniac on 26/10/2017 - 18:20

          Ok… I thought you meant a power poll. That sounds odd, if it's owned by you and you've given permission for work on it… No idea what's stopping him sorry!

  • Ultraman on 24/10/2017 - 22:12
    +1

    Like I have already said in another post, it should not be called the NBN anymore! It's a multi-technology "fix" that is no where near what the original "NBN" intended. And it's currently a dogs breakfast. So we have some LUCKY customers, and some very UNlucky customers… which will you be?!

    • Speckled Jim on 25/10/2017 - 09:35
      +1

      It makes a mockery of long-established norms.

      When a malignancy such as this is permitted, it even affects property values. Not just adjoining suburbs, but on the same street.

      This inequality is intolerable and cannot stand. The punchline is they're squandering our money and expect us to pay for use of our shared asset forever.

      They are rocketing this country to the Third World.

      • RockyRaccoon on 26/10/2017 - 06:43

        This inequality is intolerable and cannot stand

        Bit rich from someone who's profile says they are living in state who gets more government expenditure per head than most oher aussies, and who got much of the initial NBN spend

        • Speckled Jim on 26/10/2017 - 11:46

          Bit rich to suggest I control the purse strings, or decisions relating to the rollout. Contractors were cutting corners from the beginning.

          As well-intentioned as the original FTTP plan was, it became The Fast & Fatuous. The road to hell and all that…

          We moved here because the mainland was intolerable for many other reasons, many years before the NBN was announced. Despite having FTTP available, we choose 4G on principle. We'd do likewise if we still lived on the mainland.

          Not for Martyrdom, rather I will not reward incompetence for the promise of speed I don't need!

  • Wizard on 25/10/2017 - 03:53
    +1

    Fhucq the NBN!! Mobile data will be 200gb for $50 by 2018 for 5G internet by then.

  • [Deactivated] on 25/10/2017 - 08:00

    In some respects I was not happy that my area was "too hard" to install NBN, especially FTTP but now from all the horror stories I think I'm starting to see my little ADSL 2+ in a new light.

  • Mechanist on 25/10/2017 - 08:36

    Miss the internet from Ireland. Could get 360MB down 36MB up with included calls package for $75. Of course if you lived in the middle of nowhere Ireland you couldnt get that.

  • EzySatisfaction on 25/10/2017 - 12:26
    +1

    Moved in to new home for 6 months now…. still have problems connecting to NBN due to the typical duplex mix up. I have gave up on NBN and connected to 4g 100gig from Optus for $70 a month. Best decision ever!

    NBN is a joke

  • belongsinforums on 25/10/2017 - 18:28

    In my experience, NBN kicks ass over ADSL
    Even FTTN. But FTTP is something special

    • dbun1 on 26/10/2017 - 10:52

      For most people NBN should be better as the majority of people I know on ADSL are syncing at low speeds around 10Mbps

      For those on cable though, I don't know anyone that has benefited.

      Everyone I know that was on Telstra Ultimate Cable (100Mbps) is struggling to get anywhere near that since moving to NBN despite being on the "equivalent" plan.

      Since I'm on Ultimate Cable too I'm more than happy for the rollout to drag on, hopefully to the point where I can move to a wireless plan and skip the NBN altogether.

      • belongsinforums on 26/10/2017 - 16:47

        If you're on cable, then you don't know the struggle of living in crappy spots distant from towers

        • dbun1 on 26/10/2017 - 17:25

          For years I lived in areas at least 4kms from the exchange and synced at 2-3Mbps tops - I guess for these cases the NBN is miles ahead as you should jump straight to 20-25Mbps min. (in theory).

          As wireless evolves the towers and signals will get better and stronger, so hopefully the coverage improves.

  • benderz on 25/10/2017 - 18:30

    HFC is available in my area but don't know anyone who is on it locally.
    Anyone have any experience with it here?

  • [Deactivated] on 25/10/2017 - 18:47

    I was in South Korea recently. Their intent is incredible. More than half of the world’s WiFi hotspots are located in Korea!

    • belongsinforums on 26/10/2017 - 16:48

      Yea but their internet is censored. Need an ID to play games. Lame

      • [Deactivated] on 27/10/2017 - 10:55

        I don't play games. I am an adult.

  • iamnotafish on 25/10/2017 - 20:06

    Cry me a river. We're not scheduled for NBN until mid-2019. I have 0 confidence that they'll make that date.

    • Ben Kenobi on 26/10/2017 - 09:02

      Same here but I'm happy …the longer it takes the better…at the moment our ADSL service is unlimited download but most of the new NBN plans have metered download so you have to pay a fortune for the same data allowance and the speed is no better than the existing ADSL…what a scam.

  • Audisez on 26/10/2017 - 10:49

    Personally, NBN has been a huge upgrade for me compared to ADSL. It more than tripled my speed and significantly reduced ping.

    I've been using TPG NBN for around 2 years now and only had 1 problem which was fixed within 1-2 days.

    I always get my top speed when I've needed to download(25mb/s) and very low ping in all games(I get 2 ping in Overwatch) at all times of the day. I live in an area with multiple high rises(so there should be a decent amount of traffic). Maybe I just got lucky, but all the people with NBN don't have any problems with it either.

  • t_c on 26/10/2017 - 14:29

    "The NBN collects about $43 each month per home from retailers, but in order to cover costs it needs to ramp that up to $52."

    Aussiebroadbands cheapest nbn deal is $35 a month with no connection fee and no contract, is it a loss leader?

    • cameldownunder on 27/10/2017 - 09:36

      For $35 you get, 12 Mbit Down ( 1.5 MB ) / 1 Mbit up. ( 125KB/s )
      ——->>>>> 25 GB Data <<<<<———
      No phone.

      You would be better off with mobile 4G.

      So my guess this is bait deal.

  • Sxio on 26/10/2017 - 15:07

    I have cable and it works pretty well. It's sooooo much better than our old ADSL2 line. I really wish we could just keep our cable connection but we got the letter yesterday. We HAVE to change to NBN.

    Just a massive SNAFU. I'm not a Labor fan but I think this stinker is 100% the Liberals fault. And yet they're blaming Labor. That's just ridiculous and close to a flat out lie.

    I could not be more unimpressed.

  • zealmax on 26/10/2017 - 16:18

    I used to be on Telstra cable, and then the NBN guy came over and put a NBN sticker on the Telstra cable outlet and said it was NBN now. I don't notice anything different, except it is 40% cheaper with faster uploads.

  • O15 on 26/10/2017 - 19:42

    I'm sick of hearing about NBN complaints.
    I'm lucky if I can get 700KBps, I just want faster internet. I'm not interested in a cellular connection or the increased latency which comes with it.

  • soupkitchen on 26/10/2017 - 21:41

    What's NBN? $60 p/y avg for 4G wireless is great value.

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