EB10OFF2017
Description says semi-automatic,I've watch a few videos and nothing seems automatic about it.
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Fold Length: 7cm
Unfold Length: 11.5cm
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Can't import automatic and concealed knives.
Wouldn't this be concealed then?
no, concealed is like a credit card, folding into a knife. Something doesn't resemble a knife.
I would recommend not attaching it as a key chain…Illegal in Victoria to hold any sort of knife unless you have a legitimate excuse (such as work).
i'm going to edit that out, thanks
It's great being left with your fists to deal with situations where someone is intent on causing physical harm to you. Thanks gummints!
Aren’t there restrictions on buying knives?
Yes, but none of them apply to this one, obviously
I think there are age restrictions on buying knives in some states. Also there are restrictions on carrying knives as well.
@try2bhelpful In 2011 I brought a foldable knife from overseas. Declared it - no issues. They just can't be automatic (like button release) or flick knives. Butterfly knives are also illegal. Foldable knives are ok. Unless something has changed since 2011.
can't be automatic (like button release) or flick knives. Butterfly … illegal. Foldable … ok.
Why do they ban all the cool knives? I wanted to show off!
Yeah I don't see why this knife would be illegal when a lot of Leathermans have the same knife type that comes out the side.
i was once bought something like this and it was detained by Customs, need something from the local police to release it, don't remember is a permit or no criminal record check, very annoying.
Seriously? The blade is 5/7 of the length of a pack of tally-ho papers. Surely yours was a bit bigger for them to hold it.
No, its happened to me too. I bought a naruto style kunai, just for fun, and it got kept. The rules are very broad and not even customs know what is and what isn't allowed, so they will err on the side of self interest and detain it. End result is its a luck of the draw whether you get it or not. Easier to order from an Australian site if you really need it.
not even customs know what is and what isn't allowed, so they will err on the side of
So whether you can get something through customs will depend on things like when the officer's lunch break is or if some random ***hole cut the officer off in traffic on the way to work.
Yep. But if you think thats bad, you should hear about how those things affect the punishment given by judges.
No, its happened to me too. I bought a naruto style kunai, just for fun, and it got kept.
Google tells me this is a throwing knife. Is that what you bought?
This information really isn't hard to find
Throwing blades aren't permitted without a permit.
The rules are very broad and not even customs know what is and what isn't allowed, so they will err on the side of self interest and detain it. End result is its a luck of the draw whether you get it or not.
Maybe in some cases but generally it's pretty clear what's not permitted. Throwing knives clearly aren't permitted.
Easier to order from an Australian site if you really need it.
If you really need it then get a permit. Just because you can buy ninja stars or throwing knives in Australia doesn't make them legal to own. I'm not implying that the laws were written with sense and reason in mind but they're the laws we have.
I'm not implying that the laws were written with sense and reason in mind
I'm not really sure which side of the argument you're on, or even what the argument is so I'm having trouble formulating a reply
I'm not really sure which side of the argument you're on, or even what the argument is
Almost every time there's a folding knife deal someone chimes in with incorrect claims about Australian knife laws. The laws/regs are pretty straight forward and easy to find so it makes sense to post direct links for those who are still confused.
Daggers and throwing knives can't be imported without a permit. Any claim that a manual folding knife can't be imported "because my prohibited item was seized" doesn't help anyone decide if they want to buy the product.
Well put. Bravo!
I disagree with all of it. The laws are straightforward to those that made them and familiar with legal terminology, but laws depend on who interprets them as much as how they are worded, and custom laws are interpreted by common folk who are of lesser intelligence and under time constraints. Therefor a significant portion of technically legal items do end up getting detained. This item falls into that category.
While detainment doesn't automatically equal confiscation, the effort and cost in filling out forms to have it released will almost certainly exceed $3.40, making it a poor choice. The purpose of my comment was simply to advise any takers that there was a significant risk in ordering this. The example I gave was mainly because a) I thought it was funny and b) to show how laws are technically enforced, and how something that should get treated as a toy can be lumped into the same category as a weapon.
Well put. Bravo!
I disagree with all of it.
So witty, you must be the life of the LAN party.
The laws are straightforward to those that made them and familiar with legal terminology, but laws depend on who interprets them as much as how they are worded, and custom laws are interpreted by common folk who are of lesser intelligence and under time constraints.
I'll pay that. How's this work for you? The guidelines distributed by ABF are pretty straight forward and easy to find. Here's the link again if you're still having trouble
Therefor a significant portion of technically legal items do end up getting detained.
Is this just a random fact you've made up or are you able to show us all some stats on where "a significant portion of technically legal items do end up getting detained"?
This item falls into that category.
No it doesn't. This is a standard cheap and nasty folding knife that can be easily and legally imported.
The example I gave was mainly because a) I thought it was funny and b) to show how laws are technically enforced, and how something that should get treated as a toy can be lumped into the same category as a weapon.
You bought throwing knives from OS and they were seized here. They were seized because throwing knives are illegal to import without a permit. The fact that you had illegal knives seized has absolutely nothing to do with buying this 5cm folding blade from China.
We all make mistakes, learn from yours and move on. Your opinion that throwing knives are toys does not align with that of the Australian Government. You can stamp your feet all you like but they make the laws and you and I follow them.
I used to make ninja stars and blow guns as a kid, we'd play with throwing knives, sling shots (home made and commercial), crossbows, bb guns, knives, fireworks and loads of other fun stuff our nanny state do gooders deem too dangerous for my kids to play with these days. I don't agree with it but unfortunately our freedoms are slowly being eroded away in the name of keeping us safe from ourselves. If you want to change that you'll have to take your complaints somewhere higher than internet forums. The entitled attitude of expecting special treatment from ABF for items that are clearly prohibited just won't cut it.
So witty, you must be the life of the LAN party.
That wasn't sarcastic, I genuinely thought what you said was well worded even if I disagree with it.
im serious!! it depends on how the Customs classify it,
Automatic knives
Concealable blades
Daggers
Throwing blades
Trench knives
Sheathed knivesthose ar not allowed, unless u got a permit,
what i got was simular to this "Folding Knife" but not single edged, kind of serrated edged on the other side and they said its a dagger and double edged…and for this one the "Automatic knives" that will get u into trouble for sure.
In Queensland, you can add "knives that can be opened by one hand" to the banned list. So nothing with a stud on the blade, and nothing that can be opened by centripetal force (i.e. a flicking motion, but not the same as "flick knives").
@Russ:
ya thats the "Automatic knives" im talking about.
"knives that can be opened by one hand" they will see it as "automatic".@samelight:
Automatic knives such as flick knives, switchblades and assisted opening knives that have a blade folded or recessed into the handle that opens automatically (including parts) are not allowed into Australia. When you activate the knife the blade rapidly opens by pressure on a button, spring, switch or stud.@kurupted:
if thats true, then single-edged blade butterfly knives should be allowed.
but the fact is they ar not! i did confirm that when i went to collect my so called "dagger" from the Customs.just as outlander said;
The rules are very broad and not even customs know what is and what isn't allowed, so they will err on the side of self interest and detain it.
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add "knives that can be opened by one hand" to the banned list
i was once bought something like this and it was detained by Customs, need something from the local police to release it, don't remember is a permit or no criminal record check, very annoying.
what i got was simular to this "Folding Knife" but not single edged
Double edged blades are considered daggers and not legal to import without a permit
Daggers are concealable knives with both edges sharpened or with a spike designed for stabbing. You aren't allowed to bring daggers into Australia.
Penalties
Lose your goods, on the spot fine, prosecution and large financial penalties may apply]
Knife in this post (while cheap and nasty) is significantly different and wouldn't be a problem to import.
Double edged blades are considered daggers and not legal to import without a permit
a folding "knife" with one side blade and serrated edged on the other, is that a dagger or not? can u call the serrated edged a blade?! how about something slightly curved looks like a blade but not sharp, what u call it?
i will give u an example.
https://cdn.gearpatrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/gerber…
forget about the stud there, just tell me thats double edged or single edged? and can u call that a dagger?! lets be honest there is no clear determination for that and it will "depend on things like when the officer's lunch break is or if some random ashole cut the officer off in traffic on the way to work".
Seriously dude, u really thing thats a dagger? in my "determination" a dagger can not be folded, and lots of ancient "daggers" ar single bladed such as the "Greek Dagger" and "Ottoman Kard dagger" ! but hey Customs reserved the right of final explanations, what can u do!Knife in this post (while cheap and nasty) is significantly different and wouldn't be a problem to import.
once again, it "depend on things like when the officer's lunch break is or if some random ashole cut the officer off in traffic on the way to work".
there is a switch there u open a little bit the blade will pop out itself, almost all modern made folding knife got this feature.
customs will c it as an "activate the knife the blade rapidly opens by pressure on a button, spring, switch or stud.(border.gov.au)", if u ar not lucky enough.a folding "knife" with one side blade and serrated edged on the other, is that a dagger or not? can u call the serrated edged a blade?!
What you're describing I would imagine is somewhat borderline and Customs officers (or whatever they're called these days) are able to use their discretion just like many others enforcing government regulations. Are you talking bread knife serrated or Rambo knife serrated? My idea of a serrated edge is the edge on my bread knives and I would consider that sharpened. Personally I wouldn't try importing a knife that was borderline on the regs and look at buying locally if I really wanted it. Discussing whether your knife conformed to the regs or not is somewhat moot as the knife in this post is clearly single edged.
https://cdn.gearpatrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/gerber…
forget about the stud there, just tell me thats double edged or single edged? and can u call that a dagger?!The Gerber Edict you've linked is single edged and not considered a dagger by ABF. Here's a better pic to clarify
I'm not saying the laws are sensible, they're not. Pig stickers are, for all intents and purposes, designed to function exactly like a dagger but still perfectly legal in Australia because of the single sharpened edge. Unfortunately what you and I think is irrelevant until enough of the population is sufficiently fed up with the monkeys making these ridiculous laws and votes them out…but that's a discussion for another time.
Back to my original point
i was once bought something like this and it was detained by Customs, need something from the local police to release it, don't remember is a permit or no criminal record check, very annoying.
what i got was simular to this "Folding Knife" but not single edged
You tried to import a knife that was "not single edged" without a permit and it was seized. I don't think anyone who's looked this up on the Customs/ABF website in the last few years would be surprised. I think you're also misleading people by claiming that there is any relevance between the seizure of your double edged knife and this 5cm single edge blade.
The Gerber Edict you've linked is single edged and not considered a dagger by ABF.
Surprise~~~thats what they (customs) have on their display counter (saw it in their north sydney office 2012) marked as a "dagger" that u need a permit for it.
i asked why ban it, one side of the edge ar not sharpened. they told me doesn't matter sharpened or not, as long as it got a "V" tip then its a dagger. and therefore the "Gerber Edict" and the "Pig stickers" u have mentioned are not legal.You tried to import a knife that was "not single edged" without a permit and it was seized. I don't think anyone who's looked this up on the Customs/ABF website in the last few years would be surprised. I think you're also misleading people by claiming that there is any relevance between the seizure of your double edged knife and this 5cm single edge blade.
i dont have it anymore but something look like this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Kn…all ur accusations ar base on the "double edged",
well i dont think thats a "double edged" at all.
think this way, its a folding knife, u can't make both side sharp or u will cut urself after it folded, so the "serrated edge" is not "sharpened"!! that make sense to you ??
if not "sharpened" then how u call it an "edged"?? i used the words "serrated edge" becoz thats what the customs told me, personally i would say it just some decorations.
im not misleading people with anything, just sharing my real life exp!Surprise~~~thats what they (customs) have on their display counter (saw it in their north sydney office 2012)
Australian knife import laws were changed in December 2015 which makes your little anecdote from 2012 even less relevant.
and therefore the "Gerber Edict" and the "Pig stickers" u have mentioned are not legal.
"A Customs officer told me so 5 years ago" means nothing in the real world buddy. Show us a piece of legislation or published regulations showing that it is illegal to import single edged knives similar to the Edict or pig stickers? State laws may place restrictions on possession but we're talking about federal import regulations.
all ur accusations ar base on the "double edged"
No accusations champ, just quoting you here
what i got was simular to this "Folding Knife" but not single edged
If a knife's not single edged as you described then it doesn't leave many options apart from double edged.
im not misleading people with anything, just telling my real life exp!
Your real life experience or real life experiment? What if I related this to buying butterfly knives from the local disposal store in the 80s and 90s? Or how about when we used to buy rifles (unregistered) from the back of The Trading Post around the same time or bags of fireworks for cracker night before the fun police banned them all? All my real life experience but totally irrelevant to what's being posted here.
Getting back to the point once again…
i was once bought something like this and it was detained by Customs, need something from the local police to release it, don't remember is a permit or no criminal record check, very annoying.
You tried importing a "not single edged" Rambo style knife 5 years ago (prior to knife import laws being changed) that Customs at the time deemed to be prohibited or restricted item and now you're trying to convince us that was similar to buying a 5cm single edged manual folding blade today. It's just not a useful comparison.
@OzBragain:
if u talking about the "Customs (Prohibited Imports) Amendment (Firearms and Other Weapons) Regulation 2015"
here it is https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2015L01968/Explanato…
Read through it, and plz tell me what has changed to make u think u can import it now and not be4.
in the "old" version of the Regulation, they would tell u that "Pig stickers" ar the same as "stiletto knives" which is not allowed. then u have to prove they ar not the same, gl with that.No accusations champ, just quoting you here
here is ur accusations.
You tried to import a knife that was "not single edged" without a permit and it was seized. I don't think anyone who's looked this up on the Customs/ABF website in the last few years would be surprised. I think you're also misleading people by claiming that there is any relevance between the seizure of your double edged knife and this 5cm single edge blade.
if thats not accusations then i dont know what is.
Show us a piece of legislation or published regulations showing that it is illegal to import single edged knives similar to the Edict or pig stickers
thats my (profanity) point here!! they dont need any "piece of legislation or published regulations" to detent it. if u get a lawyer to fight back or prepare a 30min speech with assess to force them, ya they will release it! it only cost u times thats all!
let me say that again! they dont need any "piece of legislation or published regulations" to detent it, they just say whatever they like eg; "thats a dagger" or thats a "double edge", then u have to prove them wrong!! same as u walk on a stree, a police stop u for questioning, wasted lots of ur time and all he need is the word "suspicious" as a reason.
but what make him think of the word "suspicious", what make the customs think its a dagger?? doesn't matter! u ar the one have to spend ur time to prove them wrong!!and btw, whats wrong with the Rambo style folding knife?? doesn't matter old or new just show me a piece of legislation or published regulations showing that it is illegal to import !!
"Rambo style" never deemed to be prohibited or restricted item! thats why they used the "double edge dagger" as reason!! and now you're trying to accusing me trying to convince u that was similar to buying a 5cm single edged manual folding blade today, but all those accusations ar base on ur assumptions, the fact it "Rambo style" never get banned, and whats on sale this post is not a "5cm" "manual folding blade" too.
show me any piece of legislation or published regulations to prove me wrong! any ! new or old i dont care!Read through it, and plz tell me what has changed to make u think u can import it now and not be4.
Current regs for daggers are published here
Daggers are concealable knives with both edges sharpened or with a spike designed for stabbing. You aren't allowed to bring daggers into Australia.
Penalties
Lose your goods, on the spot fine, prosecution and large financial penalties may apply]
2012 legislation is irrelevant to our current discussion.
in the "old" version of the Regulation, they would tell u that "Pig stickers" ar the same as "stiletto knives" which is not allowed. then u have to prove they ar not the same, gl with that.
No one buying this piddly little knife from China cares about the old version of the regulations. Current legislation is what counts.
here is ur accusations.
I think you need to look up the definition of accusation, I was merely summarising your points.
if thats not accusations then i dont know what is.
Right you are, you don't know what an accusation is.
thats my (profanity) point here!! they dont need any "piece of legislation or published regulations" to detent it. if u get a lawyer to fight back or prepare a 30min speech with assess to force them, ya they will release it! it only cost u times thats all!
Please make an effort, we'd need a translator to make any sense of that sentence.
same as u walk on a stree, a police stop u for questioning, wasted lots of ur time and all he need is the word "suspicious" as a reason.
but what make him think of the word "suspicious"Hmmm…this has never happened to me. Maybe they were the grammar police that pulled you up.
and btw, whats wrong with the Rambo style folding knife??
I'm no expert but I've never seen a Rambo style folding knife.
I really appreciate the time you've taken to chat with me here today but unfortunately I have to leave the internet to go and drink beer with real people. I won't be continuing this conversation with you when I'm done.
For anyone thinking of buying this knife, my personal opinion is that it would be of poor quality but adequate for opening letters and packages. Ignore the dagger and throwing knife buyers who would have you believe that this is a prohibited weapon in Australia.
Current regs for daggers are published here(border.gov.au)
plz point out what has changed to make u think u can import it now and not be4, i dont c any .
2012 legislation is irrelevant to our current discussion.
if u can't point out the difference, then i don't c why not
No one buying this piddly little knife from China cares about the old version of the regulations. Current legislation is what counts.
once again, u can't point out the difference between the old one and new one.
I think you need to look up the definition of accusation, I was merely summarising your points.
Right you are, you don't know what an accusation is.thats what all the offenders said.
Please make an effort, we'd need a translator to make any sense of that sentence.
u think ur bs making any sense?
Hmmm…this has never happened to me. Maybe they were the grammar police that pulled you up.
here is the example of ur bs, im saying they could do that without any "piece of legislation or published regulations", and ur reply made lots of sense.
I'm no expert but I've never seen a Rambo style folding knife.
but u talk about it and so sure that its legal， that made lots of sense too.
I really appreciate the time you've taken to chat with me here today but unfortunately I have to leave the internet to go and drink beer with real people. I won't be continuing this conversation with you when I'm done.
ya me too.
For anyone thinking of buying this knife, my personal opinion is that it would be of poor quality but adequate for opening letters and packages. Ignore the dagger and throwing knife buyers who would have you believe that this is a prohibited weapon in Australia.
For anyone thinking of buying this knife, im not saying it will get detent for sure, just a warnning that there is a risk there, not about the "dagger and throwing knife" or "prohibited weapon"!!
its an "automatic" knife! by law u cannot import this! And some dude dont even know why the others said "it maybe a problem", then how the hell is he so sure about the customs wont detent it? becoz hes not the one spending time and $, and he can say whatever he like without any losses.
Double edged, so probably illegal. Bowie knives are banned, even though they are specifically designed for hunting, owing to keyboard warriors who probably used them for popping their pimples w*nking on about advantages of the top blade when [in their fantasies] they were used for assaults on people :-(
My mate's Puma bowie was perfect for killing and skinning a goat, then chopping branches to build a night shelter. Not any more due to adolescent tossers:-(
why would someone carry a foldable 2" blade?
box cutting maybe?
Yep, I carry one with me everyday. Don't always use it everyday, but when I need it, it's so handy.
Yep, I carry one with me everyday.
in your toolbox or in your pockets?
@whooah1979: Depends, If I know I'm not going to be in the field, it stays in the car. If I know I'm going to need a knife a lot for the day I'll take my Leatherman, otherwise I carry the little one with me just in case.
Cutting string, opening parcels, trimming laterals, cutting flowers, cutting lengths of tape, stripping wires, paring apples, cutting fruit…
Why would anybody need to be carrying anything larger?To cut, trim, or scrape things. The real question is who doesn't need a knife at least every other day?
these look deadly
Warning to anyone thinking of buying: high chance of getting seized (regardless of legality), and once they do you go on a list and they pay extra close attention to EVERYTHING addressed to you.
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Cheers got a blue one hope customs don't care.
I realise these are cheap, but I’m pretty sure if yours gets seized by customs you can buy these at markets in Chinatown quite easily
If you're worried about Customs, you can ask them to label it as something other than a knife, something generic like toy. Usually they (most Chinese online shops, not Everbuying specifically, I haven't done this with Everbuying before) are happy to accommodate & it's low risk to be checked by Customs. I've done it before and received the knife with no problems.
That's an even better way to get it seized. "Hey, this x-ray shows it's a knife but it's labelled as a stuffed bear. Oh well, they wouldn't lie. Let it through boys".
you can ask them to label it as something other than a knife, something generic like toy
Definitely DO NOT do this. If you want them to change it at all, make it "tool" or something so you're not actually lying to Customs.
It's AU$5 on Gearbest, I have them delivered before from Gearbest without any issue.
Mine arrived today. I forgot I ordered this, which is a good thing because I got to use it to open other packages I forgot I ordered.
Are you allowed to buy foldable knives legally?