What Is The Actual Reason behind Lululemon and Lorna Jane Sizes?

[Deactivated] on 14/11/2017 - 19:19
Last edited 17/11/2017 - 22:59 by 1 other user

What is the REAL reason why brands like Lorna Jane and Lululemon don't stock bigger sizes?

The stats say that something like 50% of people are overweight - that the average size of the Australian female is 14-16 (not exact but roughly).

Lululemon says it caters to AU16 - but there is much discussion on how these are a small fit, more like an actual AU12.
Lorna Jane is the same.

Is it just a status thing?

I know that people have been crying out for these brands to stock bigger sizes - even marginally bigger sizes. And after all an actual size 14-16 isn't necessarily overweight.

Why don't they do this given this demand would increase their bottom line?

Edit: I'll add that I'm not just talking size 20plus, but actual size 14 or 16 in Australia. Amy Schumer was called plus size by a magazine, which she clearly isn't. I think she would only just fit into these clothes. I think they're similar but slightly different issues.

Ashley Graham is considered plus size.
Lululemon clothes would not fit her either.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5083977/Ashley-…

No fat shaming please.
Telling someone it's not healthy to be fat is not fat shaming. It's all the anger, hate, you're a lesser person and don't deserve all the good things life has to offer that's fat shaming.

Edit again: Sorry to airal3rt. I'm in a pretty bad place from prolonged abuse and I can't handle aggressive men very well. I overreacted. Sorry :/

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  • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2017 - 19:31
    +48

    lets be honest, no one wears activewear for being active, they wear it to the coffee shop.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYRENWT8lz8

    • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2017 - 20:04
      +2

      I know it's funny.
      But I reject the premise that this is a bad thing :P

      • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 16:38
        +5

        While this isn't the most serious thread - people really need to stop outsourcing their self-image and self-esteem. YOU are what is attractive or unattractive, not what you wear. My girl goes out in unbranded T's and shorts all the time and she's objectively more attractive than any fat girl wearing $1000s of branded clothes.

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 16:51
          +6

          It's not about that. They are really beautifully designed, they feel amazing on your skin even though they're synthetic which is a glitch of nature, and they're durable, they'll last a long time. If I could get that at Big W I'd be very happy.

        • abb on 16/11/2017 - 10:47
          +3

          If you don't win the genetic lottery like your girl, you gotta resort to buying clothes instead!

        • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 10:50
          +22

          @abb:

          Diet and exercise aren't genetic.

          Which is why it pisses me off when people give those without willpower a pass "because it's difficult". Yes, it is. And my gf goes through it - passing up on burgers sometimes when we eat out, only stealing a bite of my steak (see? I suffer too), spending an hour and a half at the gym everyday.

          All of that is also hard. But she does it because health, and to look good.

        • abb on 16/11/2017 - 10:53

          @0blivion: Ahh, I didn't see the "fat" bit. My bad.

          Diet and exercise habits are significantly hereditary though ;)

          (Disclaimer: hereditary in the sense of "you learn them from your parents", not "literally in your DNA", is there a better word?)

        • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 10:57
          +3

          @abb:

          I get what you mean, but that applies to EVERYTHING.

          Here, it's "this person doesn't have good diet and exercise habits because they weren't taught that by their parents". That may be true, but they can learn them as adults too - it'll just be more difficult. Again, "difficult isn't an excuse".

          But it also applies to everything else. "This person doesn't work hard and slacks off - but it's only because they weren't brought up to be hard working." Or "This person doesn't shower and has no personal hygiene, but that's because they weren't taught it by their parents." Or "This person beats their wife, but that's because they were brought up in an abusive household." That last one is obviously extreme, but it just goes to show - the excuse isn't a valid one.

        • abb on 16/11/2017 - 11:06
          +1

          @0blivion: > but that applies to EVERYTHING

          Probably. I think it's good for people to realise this sometimes. For compassionate reasons, but also to help break negative patterns. But I wasn't really trying to start a whole philosophical thing, just recover from my mis-reading.

          PS Can your gf please show mine how to have such motivation/willpower ;)

        • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 11:10

          @abb: Fair enough.

          And honestly if I knew, I'd have more willpower myself. Elsewhere someone seems to think that I have a lot of willpower - I really don't. My gf beats me handily in that department (and quite a few others). Thing is though - I completely concede that my own lack of willpower in some areas is completely my fault, and it's not an excuse.

          And conversely, people like my gf who DO have willpower should be applauded, instead of just kind of hand-waved away with "Oh, they were just lucky". Hard work is the opposite of luck.

        • Justinism on 16/11/2017 - 11:52
          +5

          [@0blivion]

          Ozbargainer with willpower? Sub 1 dollar deals always break that bad habit… huehuehuehuehue….

        • HighAndDry on 16/11/2017 - 11:53

          @Justinism:

          Hahaha, guilty as charged.

        • syousef on 16/11/2017 - 21:33
          +2

          @0blivion:

          Are you or your super attractive girl hungry 5 minutes after eating a large meal?
          Do either of you have any medical conditions that prevent you from excercising?
          Why do skinny people who break their bones or end up in hospital not baloon up?

          Explain these overfeeding studies.
          http://archive.unu.edu/unupress/food2/UID08E/UID08E05.HTM

          Here is a less technical description of one of the studies
          http://idealbodyweights.blogspot.com.au/2009/08/vermont-pris…

          You can vilify fat people as you will continue but the fact remains there is plenty of research supporting concepts of metabolism and set point, and plenty more I haven't pointed to that show that not everyone experiences the same levels of hunger. It's really really easy not to over eat if you're not damn hungry. You might even forget to eat. If someone feels the way you would after having not eaten for 3 days, not so easy.

          Also: Most people lose their looks. I hope you have something more solid to base your relationship on than that.

        • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 13:37
          +5

          @syousef:

          Do hunger pangs physically drag you to food and forcefeed it to you? Or put a gun to your head to force you to eat? No? Then it's possible to resist those.

          Also, obligatory: Oh, it's you again. This comment isn't as amusing as your normal ones though.

        • syousef on 17/11/2017 - 16:44
          -2

          @0blivion:

          Of course they can be resisted but it takes a gargantuan and sustained effort. When you compare someone who has no such "hunger pangs" to someone that doesn't help the situation.

          Have you ever had to repeatedly tell a child no who is begging you and literally bawling their eyes out for more food when they've had too much, all while their sibling, raised the same way has no such "hunger pangs".

          I suppose your solution to addiction is "just say no" too.

          You're clueless, unempathetic and unwilling to learn. Thing is life has a way of teaching people like you.

        • HighAndDry on 17/11/2017 - 16:47
          +2

          @syousef: I haven't heard of an illness that magically creates hunger pangs, so in that situation I've gotta ask: What kind of monster parents raises one kid on a healthy diet, and apparently raised the other kid to over-eat to the point they get hunger pangs even after a meal?

          Thing is life has a way of teaching people like you.

          Same way life teaches fat people with diabetes, heart disease, strokes, etc? I mean, not to be morbid, but that's what YOU are encouraging with your excuses. I'd rather any amount of "putting in gargantuan effort" than have people die from preventable causes. And no amount of coddling their feelings will heal diabetes and the like.

        • syousef on 17/11/2017 - 20:51
          -6

          @0blivion:

          Same parent. Same parenting. You're utterly ****ing clueless. You refuse to understand that people don't choose their hunger drive. I have run out of patience with you. I feel sorry for anyone so sure of themselves that they are incapable of empathy.

        • This Guy on 18/11/2017 - 22:12
          +1

          @syousef:

          Hunger pangs are nothing (I actually had to look it up). Those can be constant when you are reasonably slim. Hunger pain is the one that sucks. That sharp, crippling pain in your stomach, similar to the one you can get with a large, very firm movement that needs to go. But you learn to ignore it. Water reduces it (like it reduces pangs).

          Hell, hunger pain was almost constant when I lost my belly. I made myself that way by over eating. I dealt with the consequences.

        • syousef on 18/11/2017 - 23:28
          -5

          @This Guy:

          Your automatic assumption that everyone experiences hunger the same way you do is exactly what I meant when I told Oblivion he was incapable of empathy.

          You tell me it's nothing, then describe a heroic effort. Are you hoping people applaud you? Do know know the stats on long term weight loss (5-10 year outcomes)? 95% of people have gained the weight back and then some.
          http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_exa…

          Plenty of studies counter by cheating. They only include people who were able to maintain the effort.

          Good luck. I mean that sincerely. You'll need it. Your odds suck.

        • This Guy on 20/11/2017 - 10:35
          +2

          @syousef:

          If your pangs are painful then call it pain and see a doctor. If they are not, and this is something else, talking to a GP about your issues could be a good idea too.

        • syousef on 20/11/2017 - 12:39
          -2

          @This Guy:

          You see what I've written on this thread. Do you really honestly think I wouldn't have talked to doctors? GPs, specialists, the Westmead obesity clinic. None have answers to this particular question. There's the general get up and be active, limit screen time etc. There's the portions of different food groups etc. There's time management so you can get more active. But on hunger there is literally nothing.

          Honestly try sending a 5 year old that you love off to bed in tears and hungry (having had too much food half an hour before) when they're begging for food a few nights in a row. Then try having random strangers abuse you and your partner for your situation. A lot of the doctors actually get it. But the ones that don't have the same attitudes you're seeing here.

          The attitudes on this thread beggar belief. The last few lines here say it all:
          https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/dp5ena/the-crushing-depre…

          "I would say that that attitude of 'they do it to themselves' comes from people who don't have any experience of obesity," said Faulconbridge, "Because the truth is that there's a huge amount of data that shows a genetic predisposition to being obese. I would urge people to be compassionate and not to assume they know the causes of another's problems."

          Or try this. This is a fully qualified doctor who was thin, judged obese patients harshly, then had his own metabolic crisis. Watch him in tears as he recalls what a jackass he was to one of his patients.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvB8n6zmA_E

          What if obesity has nothing to do with eating too much? Peter Attia, M.D., President and co-founder of Nutrition Science Initiative, says we don’t know enough about the science of weight gain, and that clinicians–and society–should stop blaming the victims.
          These articles, blog posts and videos are constantly being renamed to be politically correct. This talk use to be called something along the lines of "What if blaming the obese is blaming the victim".

        • FW190 on 20/11/2017 - 14:30
          +1

          @syousef:

          hey syousef,

          not having a go at you, as I was like your child when I was young (and well into my adulthood).

          Sounds like you have already seek (a lot of ) medical help, have you tried other forms of medicine? like Chinese herbal? I did dabble that in the past, while it is not a magic bullet, but it did at least help me shed some water weight (I peed A LOT), and (allegedly) boosted my metabolism, but to convince a child to drink some disgusting looking and foul tasting herbal soup is a major challenge in itself. And obviously telling a young kid s/he can't have food is another.

          It wasn't fun growing up as the fat kid, it was detrimental to my social and romantic life, not to mention all the associated health problems, so I hope you will find a fix for your kid.

          this is probably the last thing you want to hear, but I did managed to loose about 30kg this year, by…. will power, but obviously you can't expect the same sort of mental discipline (or rather, self loathing and hatred) from a 5 year old. Anyway, one of the ways I dealt with hunger was by eating a banana/apple or boiled egg when the hunger pain in my stomach became too much to bear, other times, by looking myself in the mirror and say "you had enough to eat already you fat POS!" (hopefully it won't get to that point for your kid), google for lowest calorie yet most filling foods if you haven't done so already, and see if there are some things which your kid likes. Your entire family's diet might have to change too, as you can't let one kid have the "good" stuff, while the other has to live off broccoli and celery sticks.

          Anyway, all the best.

        • syousef on 20/11/2017 - 14:37
          -1

          @FW190:

          Thank you for at least trying to be helpful. I do take issue with alternative medicine, for reasons I don't have time to go into. "Western" medicine can be as bad at times. It's certainly not perfect, but there is at least the notional attempt at something scientific.

          The problem isn't losing weight. I have personally lost significant amounts of weight twice in my life. Keeping it off is the problem. When it takes a Herculean effort, and there are other pressures, responsibilities and priorities in life it gets tough. Even more so once you start to age and/or are injured. Not everyone can run a marathon in their 70s.

          I don't wish anyone put it back on, so I hope you're one of the 5%, but I'm not going to ignore reality and condemn the 95%.

          I love salads so that helps.

        • lonewolf on 20/11/2017 - 14:53
          +3

          The people who actually have a genetic disorder and hence are overweight or fat is a very miniscule % of the population, its meant to be easily less than 1%, more like 0.05% or lower.

          Of course everyone is affected to a some degree with genetics as in some people can put on muscle quicker and / or fat as well as others can be skinny and hard for them to put on weight etc. But alot of this can still be worked out with diet and exercise. The excuse that its my genes why i am fat doesnt apply to the vast majority of people out there.

          IT is still harder for people with genes who may put on weight easier than for people who are skinny. But a lot of it still comes down to the appropriate diet as well as exercise and the mental aspect. I think the western world has become too good at making excuses for behaviours that can be controlled even if its difficult at times.

          The other issue is the cost and availability of junk food as opposed to healthy food. ITs much cheaper and easier to find and eat junk food than to find healthy food. The right kinds of foods can fill up any stomach to the point where they dont want to eat any more or cant eat anymore and still not pack on too many calories. Its all about the kinds of food, the other aspect is also portion control. The more you are used to eating large portions, the larger your stomach will stretch as well as your body will get used to eating and hence expect to eat those large portions.

          This can be tricky but over time if you reduce the portion sizes, your body will adapt and the stomach will shrink and hence you wont feel the urge or need to eat as much and will feel content on smaller portions. Same goes for junk food or sweet foods.

        • FW190 on 20/11/2017 - 14:57

          @syousef:

          yeah I had two stages of weight lost as well.

          about 10ish years ago, I reached around 125kg, my knees were hurting just by walking a short distance, I lost around 25ish kgs back then, had to cut out all the chicken schnitzel wit chips and gravy, as well as regular Coke to achieve that, has been hoovering around 100 to 105 since then.

          12 months ago, certain event in my life made decided to have a second go (or rather, initially it was an unintended side effect, but I just keep going), went from 105 to just under 80 now, hopefully I can keep it off in the long term.

          I love salads so that helps

          lol I used to hate anything green, but have discovered a…… "tolerance" for it in the last 12 months, me loving to cook and experiment with different recipes and cuisines certainly helped :)

          As for alternative medicine, since I am Asian, I grew up with this kind of stuff, so it wasn't really an issue for me, but I can certainly understand the hesitance of trying it if you are from other backgrounds :)

        • FW190 on 20/11/2017 - 15:11

          @lonewolf:

          IT is still harder for people with genes who may put on weight easier than for people who are skinny.

          tell me about it, I could gain a kilo by just sniffing at foods :), but to loose that same kilo, I have to go the hell and back :(

        • NWLikeShopping on 20/11/2017 - 15:49

          @0blivion: But what you've just cited there includes something that's not personal choice for many. With an 8.5 min hour workday, and a 3 hour, sometimes close to 4, commute, and 8 hours of sleep, a person would be really pushing it to dedicate one third of the (optimistic) 4.5 hours left in their day, or HALF of the (pessimistic) 3.5 hours left in their day, to working it in the gym.

          Other things that tend to have to happen: showering/getting dressed for work, cleaning house, meal-prepping because we can't all afford menulog, attending a night class, washing clothes, shopping, paying bills, visiting friends and family. And this is not even including the idea that many work second jobs. Not everyone's got an SO to split chores with.

          I'm a weekend warrior, but that's all I've got in me because of those other obligations.

          Former models like Christie Brinkley look good even as they age because they have the $$$ and time to devote to it. The rest of us don't have those luxuries and shouldn't be looked down because of it.

        • HighAndDry on 20/11/2017 - 15:55

          @NWLikeShopping: Not trying for a pun, but where there's a will, there's a way. Off the top of my head: Cycling to work/train station, you can keep the commute the same but get some exercise in.

          Or just finding more physical forms of recreation in the 3-4hrs you have. And honestly, no one needs that many hours of exercise daily to just be fit: for most people, getting in 40mins every 2 days would be plenty.

        • NWLikeShopping on 20/11/2017 - 16:01

          @0blivion: Nah, I can't cycle because there's a 30 storey or so hill between me and work. Even when I was a 200+km/week cyclist who did commute from a flat location to a flat located workplace, my knees couldn't handle hills like that. And with Sydney traffic? Nah, too likely to be a death sentence or maimed-for-life sentence.

          In the 3-4 hours I have I do run around to clean, chop my veg, run from washing machine to hanging area, and so on. Sorry, bill paying allows for only a fidget-style exercise, as not all of us have the balance to handle a treadmill desk.

          I was doing 75 minutes daily in the gym when in another job in another state that didn't feature that commute, and only barely maintained fitness, losing no weight despite everyone laughing at how little I ate (garden salad + can of beans + can of tuna, most days). So for a lot of us, our 40 minutes of exercise every 2 days is more like 40 minutes a day walking to and from the bus as part of our commute, and that's all we can do.

        • HighAndDry on 20/11/2017 - 16:02
          +1

          @NWLikeShopping:

          It was an example. Again, if people wanted to, they'll find a way. If people want excuses, they'll find those too.

          I was doing 75 minutes daily in the gym when in another job in another state that didn't feature that commute, and only barely maintained fitness

          The intensity of the exercise matters too. I somehow doubt you were constantly working at a high pace for that 75mins. (If you were, congrats, you have superpowers).

        • NWLikeShopping on 20/11/2017 - 16:11

          @0blivion: But that would be false. If there's no time other than that to do the stuff that without which you could die tomorrow (work, pay bills, clean enough to keep the landlord happy, etc.), not in 20 years MAYBE, there's no time.

          Sorry, I know when there's time in my life to spend time in the gym, and do so when I've got the time. And there currently isn't. And I doubt I'm the only person in that situation.

          I do however take a 30 minute busride up the hill and down the street to a park a km away from the bus stop, rent a bike there and do 20km and then reverse the process to get home, because I've got the time to commit 3 hours to 90 minutes of exercise once a week on Saturdays.

        • HighAndDry on 20/11/2017 - 16:22
          +2

          @NWLikeShopping: I know a guy who goes to the gym in his lunch-break, eats a 5min lunch. Again, JUST an example, but don't tell me "there's no way". There's always a way.

          And in any case, you're getting 1.5-3hrs per week, which is already pretty damned good and you're certainly not the kind of person I'm saying are lacking in willpower.

        • NWLikeShopping on 20/11/2017 - 16:25

          @0blivion: OK, I don't TAKE lunch most days. If I were going to, (1) The nearest gym is a 10 minute walk away — in each direction. (2) Change/change-back-with-shower is at least another 10. We're allowed max 30 minutes to lunch. Not sure where the time to DO anything other than change and change back in the gym would be.

          Sorry, the better off one is in terms of locality of employment to where they live, their local environment being conducive to exercise, the lack of a need to work a second job, and the amount of money they have to splash on airtaskers to do things for them, all affect their time available to exercise. I won't bend on that.

        • HighAndDry on 20/11/2017 - 16:30
          +2

          @NWLikeShopping:

          I'm not disagreeing with that. But the spectrum is "difficult <—-> easy", not "impossible <—-> possible".

        • NWLikeShopping on 20/11/2017 - 16:34
          +1

          @0blivion: I'd disagree. I know what impossible looks like, because my job once DEPENDED ON me to do 90 hour weeks for about 4 months straight, and this didn't leave me sufficient time to sleep, all meals HAD to come from delivery since I could afford it, clothes got bought rather than washed weekly, etc. If I didn't do those hours, I would have lost the job.

          To the extent that the choice is, "Obviously a bad job, find another one," you could call it difficult. But if it's not that easy for an older person to find another well paying job, impossible fits the circumstances better.

        • syousef on 20/11/2017 - 16:36
          -4

          @0blivion:

          Is that guy injured? Does that guy have an illness? A bad heart? Did you know more than an hour a day of high intensity excercise is not recommended for over 40s?

          I genuinely don't have any more time for this mob right now.

          I sincerely hope you all live to 120, that you may fully experience the same compassion you bestow upon others.

        • HighAndDry on 20/11/2017 - 16:57
          +2

          @syousef:

          Yeah sorry, don't have time today to play with you. Run along and amuse someone else for now - you seem to have a lot of spare time.

        • HighAndDry on 20/11/2017 - 16:59
          +2

          @NWLikeShopping: Pretty sure that's just flat-out illegal. But again - if you're getting 1.5-3hrs a week, even if just on weekends? That's enough. Not great, but enough.

          Not to mention - if you can't get exercise, eat less. Calories-in-calories-out isn't just a pithy slogan, it's literally a law of the physical universe.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 20/11/2017 - 20:02
          +1

          @NWLikeShopping

          Maybe consider calories in and out seeing as you are so busy at work. This combined with a decent amount of exercise should work for most people.

        • syousef on 21/11/2017 - 07:57
          -1

          @GetOffMyUnicorn:

          Keep down-voting guys. If you downvote enough times reality warps so that you become correct and the "fake news" goes away.

          You haven't addressed the fundamental issues:

          1. It doesn't just depend on calorie intake and excercise. 2 people can eat exactly the same food and excercise the same amount and one will baloon while the other stays thin. This is proven. I don't care how many times you deny it. There are a number of studies. And the better health care professionals focused on obesity are indeed aware of them.

          2. Sustaining the effort to maintain a weigh loss for the rest of your life, through illness and injury, as you age, as your job and your family responsibilities become more demanding has proven to be extremely difficult. So much so that up to 95% of people fail at the task.

          I can provide a lot of evidence for the above. They're proven facts whether you wave your hands and yell "fake news" till you go blue or downvote me until the cows come home.

          Your solution is to vilify those people, call them weak, and make disparaging remarks. That is not a solution, and you aren't helping. Your "helpful" comments that "there is always a way" smacks of egotistical youthful naivete. You are expecting everyone to put in the sustained effort that an athlete does, and for the rest of their lives. (In fact you'll note that there are even former Olympic athletes that have struggled with weight issues!)

        • HighAndDry on 21/11/2017 - 10:13
          +2

          @syousef:

          It doesn't just depend on calorie intake and excercise.

          Look up "First Law of Thermodynamics". It doesn't just depend on those, but those set the ceiling and the floor for weight loss or gain.

          Your solution is to vilify those people, call them weak, and make disparaging remarks.

          Actually my solution was to dispel the myth that it's impossible, and that with effort will come results. Whereas your solution seems to… say nice things to them while they die of obesity-related illnesses.

        • syousef on 21/11/2017 - 15:23
          -3

          @0blivion:

          Look up "First Law of Thermodynamics". It doesn't just depend on those, but those set the ceiling and the floor for weight loss or gain.

          Oh thank you for your lesson on the "First Law of Thermodynamics". I must have been asleep when they taught that in University physics.

          I'd like to return the favour.

          Look up "Closed system".

          Then look up where the carbon that makes up a tree comes from.

          Then look up Dunning Kruger. There may be a picture of you.

          Then take some biology classes. Do you drink water? What percentage of your body is water? Do you breathe?

          Your hubris is just mind blowing. Proof that a little bit of knowledge is dangerous.

        • HighAndDry on 21/11/2017 - 15:24
          +1

          @syousef:

          Then look up Dunning Kruger.

          Well, at least I understand your perspective better.

        • syousef on 21/11/2017 - 15:25
          -2

          @0blivion:

          Anyone who uses the First Law of Thermodynamics as their basis for weight control neither understands that law nor anything about biology. Get a clue.

        • syousef on 21/11/2017 - 15:27
          -4

          @0blivion:

          You are running out of downvotes for the day.

          The first law of thermodynamics still only applies to a closed system and the human body is still not a closed system. And you still just made a fool out of yourself using thermodynamics to justify your bigotry.

          If you are going to use a scientific principle you had better have an understanding of it, because someone out there understands it better than you.

        • NWLikeShopping on 23/11/2017 - 01:17

          @GetOffMyUnicorn: 1200 a day average, completely unhealthy to cut down to fewer than that per my doctor who was shocked that I was under 1500.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 23/11/2017 - 01:18

          @NWLikeShopping: Righto mate.

        • HighAndDry on 23/11/2017 - 10:16
          +2

          @NWLikeShopping: Sorry for butting in on this exchange, but I wanted to refresh what the discussion was about and up top I think one of the earlier comments from you was:

          Former models like Christie Brinkley look good even as they age because they have the $$$ and time to devote to it. The rest of us don't have those luxuries and shouldn't be looked down because of it.

          You're right, calories-in-calories-out won't give you toned muscles or a six-pack, but if you're doing it right you should also not be gaining weight either, and if you're overweight, should be able to achieve moderate to slight weight-loss even. Again - obviously your doctor knows better than I would, but generally the target is maintenance calories (so maintain weight), and if overweight, lower than maintenance calories (because being overweight = fat reserves!).

          And generally the antipathy is towards people who become overweight, and then refuse to put work towards losing that weight - neither of which are justified, or can be explained, by consuming maintenance levels of calories.

        • NWLikeShopping on 24/11/2017 - 00:44
          -1

          @0blivion: Fair enough on the latter point, but still I'd be hard pressed to call someone commuting from just north of Wollongong to North Sydney daily for work as someone who's "refusing to put work toward losing weight" but rather as someone who doesn't have wall-clock time enough to do everything they want to do, so they prioritise keeping the mortgage paid over other things.

          You've obviously never had a work-til-ya-drop job or you wouldn't be anywhere near as naive about how much effort some people are required by their employer to put toward their work. I've had them. Only ONE of them was kind enough to pay me a $400 stipend per month so that when I didn't have time to even wash my clothes when working 90 hours a week, I could either get them sent out for washing or buy new, and pay a PA to monitor my mail and pay my bills as required because there wasn't enough time for pretty much anything beyond work, a meal furnished by work around 7pm, going to the loo, and sleeping for maybe 5 hours.

          Sure, it's my choice to stay in that killer work environment for several years to make $$$, but guaranteed, there isn't free time because there isn't even enough time to sleep. Our entire team went home after midnight on Saturday night and stayed asleep much of Sunday, waking only to clean the house a bit and wash their hair, and started it all again on Monday morning for more than two years. So prioritising $$$, sleep to keep you alive ((profanity) fitness, you just need to stay ALIVE at this point), loo breaks to avoid unfortunate accidents at the desk, and a meal in a conference room with the other folks going through this to keep you alive, just doesn't leave enough room that you can stay afloat without paying people to do everything else for you. Unfortunately people can't sleep, pee, visit friends outside your workgroup or exercise for you, so visiting friends and exercising — both of which are very useful for well-being, but NOT required by most for short term survival — don't make the list, so that there's time for sleeping and peeing.

          Yes, there was a book written about this work environment, it was that legendary. Since then, numerous others have apparently been similar.

    • orbitalpaul on 15/11/2017 - 08:29
      +3

      I call them #fashletes ☺️

    • MrTweek on 15/11/2017 - 23:14

      And obviously only super skinny people go to coffee shops.

    • nikey2k27 on 15/11/2017 - 23:22
      +43

      nobody wants to see fat people in activewear.

      • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 23:41

        Really?
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5083977/Ashley-…
        But I just think people need to get over it.
        It's only the human body.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 16/11/2017 - 00:15
          +8

          "But I just think people need to get over it.
          It's only the human body."

          Excellent, lets end this pointless thread.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 00:16

          @GetOffMyUnicorn: Clearly not pointless to you or else you wouldn't be coming back so much.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 16/11/2017 - 00:18
          +3

          @VivE: I commented on the thread to point out the absurdity of the thread.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 00:21
          -6

          @GetOffMyUnicorn: Just go away then.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 16/11/2017 - 01:55
          +3

          @VivE: Once you stop pushing agenda down peoples necks. Until then, no.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 02:16

          @GetOffMyUnicorn: I'm not. I'm just trying to understand it. I have compassion for people with weight problems, but that's about it.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 16/11/2017 - 02:19
          +3

          @VivE: OK, so maybe make a thread about weight problems instead?

        • nikey2k27 on 16/11/2017 - 19:11

          I am gay but she looks fine.. I was just joke anyway..

    • Pinchie on 16/11/2017 - 14:49

      The next step is Prisonwear anyway

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpUzS8B-hsE

  • Diji1 on 14/11/2017 - 19:40
    +61

    thin people have more status and they don't want to be seen bringing the brand down by tainting it with lower status people

    Bingo. No one wants to shop at a fatties brand.

    • [Deactivated] on 14/11/2017 - 20:02
      -8

      Does an executive actually make that decision though?

      • airal3rt on 14/11/2017 - 20:24
        +112

        No, the 16 year old hanging the clothes on the rack just throws all the bigger sizes in a dumpster behind the store.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 10:31
          +18

          @VivE: Serious answer - duh. All higher level decisions are made by executives, what did you think? They make it based on surveys and studies as to brand recognition, brand value, market trends, etc.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 16:40
          +10

          @VivE:

          You asked: "Does an executive actually make that decision though?"

          I understand the thread as a whole is asking about the reasoning behind it, but this question didn't. They answered this question as asked, just sarcastically.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 16:45
          +7

          @VivE:

          Personally, I come here for advice and information. If I wanted 'nice', I've got friends for that.

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 16:48
          -1

          @0blivion: No, there is treating people with kindness and like they are human beings.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 16:51
          +5

          @VivE:

          Sure, but again, personally I don't come here for that.

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 16:53

          @0blivion: I know, it's sad.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 16:56
          +10

          @VivE:

          Why? You came here with a question - your question was answered. Seems like the system works.

          Again, if I wanted "nice", I've got friends. I don't need random internet strangers to be nice to me.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 17:10
          +4

          @VivE:

          No idea what you're talking about honestly. I haven't tried to off myself, and no one I talk to has tried to off themselves, so obviously whatever I'm doing, or however I'm thinking, isn't a factor in that.

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 17:34
          -1

          @0blivion: Yeah but how do the people around you feel when you tolerate people being nasty to each other. You might be ok but how about them? Sure protect yourself, but why tolerate a shitty environment if you can help it. And why am I even arguing this, arguing for people to treat each other kindly and with dignity in the world. Isn't that a norm we should all aim for.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 17:36
          +4

          @VivE:

          Again, no one around me has tried to kill themselves either, so obviously not that affected.

          And why am I even arguing this, arguing for people to treat each other kindly and with dignity in the world. Isn't that a norm we should all aim for.

          I'm not against this, I just don't see it as being important, especially on an internet forum.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 15/11/2017 - 17:39
          +7

          @VivE: There's a big difference between tolerating something and forcing opinion on another person(s).

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 17:43

          @0blivion: Everything you're saying is technically right but overall it's just shit. Sorry.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 17:46
          +7

          @VivE:

          but overall it's just shit. Sorry.

          See? You're free to give, and you're giving, your opinion even though it's objectively negative, unnecessary, and liable to make someone with more sensitive feelings feel bad.

          Now just apply that rationale - whatever rationale behind you leaving that comment - more widely.

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 17:55
          +1

          @0blivion: No - it's not giving objective criticism that's bad, it's just being unnecessarily sarcastic and demeaning, which airal3rt was being, that's the problem. I probably shouldn't have added the Sorry so I apologise for that, but it's like you're so caught up on the specifics that you don't see the bigger picture that we should aim to treat people with dignity and respect as a norm.

        • HighAndDry on 15/11/2017 - 17:58
          +8

          @VivE:

          And again, that's also subjective. I don't see being sarcastic as being all that bad at all - it's a way to convey meaning. If someone had said that to me, I would've chuckled, thought to myself "haha damn, ok that was a stupid question to ask", considered my question answered, thanked them even and be on my way.

          Maybe the solution is to have higher requirements of ourselves (emotional resilience, seeing things positively, be less affected) since that's within our control, and have less requirements for others since not only is that outside your control, but rightfully so because what right do you have to tell them what to do?

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 18:35
          +1

          @0blivion: That is very eloquently put, and I feel a bit defensive now.
          I wrote that answer late at night so was tired - but why is sarcasm the immediate response. And it does convey meaning but it is also ridicule. Why immediately go there. It's like being at school with teenage boys where you can't be open and have a vulnerable moment because you'll get pounced on.

          You're position works and is very healthy from a personal point of view.
          But I've witnessed the most disgusting environments of bullying and denigration from people who think "this is how the world works" that has literally driven those people and others mad.
          I don't want to live in such a snipy world - and I don't want to tolerate it either if I can help it.
          And it doesn't lead to the most productive environment for creating either when people feel they can't be vulnerable.

          I might have over reacted a bit but the comment was a bit shit as well.

        • bumluffa on 15/11/2017 - 19:03
          +16

          @VivE: I don't think anybody reading this thread is going to agree with you that a mere sarcastic response has anything to do with creating a world that fosters young people killing themselves. Your reaction to the original comment is a complete overreaction. Not only did the poster hold no ill will for you and have no malicious undertones in what he said but he even answered your question and in a funny way.

          The world I want to live in is one where people can laugh off such innocently sly comments like that one, where people have tough enough skin to be able to joke with one another in public. Yours is the kind of attitude that has people debating whether we've become a nanny state where any comment that isn't entirely politically correct is seen as offensive and people have to suppress their natural urges to make a light joke in order to ensure someone's egg shell of a mentality isn't hurt. What a terribly dull and sad world that would be.

          And how can anybody be expected to develop tough skin and emotional resilience if society adopted an attitude such as yours? I sure hope the world never gets to that point. Please keep your safe spaces to yourself they have no place in the real world

        • guerro on 15/11/2017 - 19:19

          @0blivion:
          edit

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 19:42

          @bumluffa: I guess it's a scale and what you're talking about would be the very end of it, a place that I don't want to live in either. I might have overreacted, and I've said that, but I've got PTSD from psychological and physical violence. The world has been a worse place than it is now. People of your generation tolerated things that have hurt us all. I hope those attitudes die out.

        • GetOffMyUnicorn on 15/11/2017 - 20:31
          +2

          @bumluffa:Bumluffa, Hear, hear!

        • [Deactivated] on 15/11/2017 - 21:04
          -3

          @GetOffMyUnicorn: Your comment doesn't surprise me GetOffMyUnicorn. Your rot is obvious. I hope you have a happy life.

        • bumluffa on 16/11/2017 - 03:29
          +3

          @VivE: it is a scale you're right, but I think everyone's been pretty clear that your perception of which end of the scale the original comment lies is heavily distorted. Nobody is condoning an environment of abuse in the slightest, again I think your view of what actually amounts to objective abuse is heavily skewed.

          From what you have said it sounds like the abuse you've personally suffered has contributed to this fractured worldview. For this I'm truly sorry and I sincerely pity you that you now see the world through this dark lens. The world is a bright and beautiful place. People for the most part are caring to one another, compassionate and even sometimes altruistic. Having a light joke at someone's expense doesn't at all detract from that. I hope one day you will heal enough to be able to see that for yourself

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 04:01
          -2

          @bumluffa: Yeah I overreacted alright. I didn't see that what I said was so off the mark. Jokes are fine. But I'm really f'ed at the moment from very bad things.
          But we all know the environment I'm talking about. Just a real hardness, throwing off at one another and lack of empathy. And a very demeaning attitude to vulnerability.

          I've experienced this, I've had friends who've experienced this and has even motivated them to study law because it was that bad. It's something rife in Australian culture. But it's all coming out of the woodwork now with the internet and video recorders and it's you I pity if you're not on the right side of that :/

        • aussieprepper on 16/11/2017 - 17:08
          +5

          @VivE: Actually only work place bullying I have come across was from 2 female managers when I was younger.

        • Drifter on 16/11/2017 - 17:39
          +16

          @VivE: @VivE:

          we should aim to treat people with dignity and respect as a norm… I've witnessed the most disgusting environments of bullying and denigration… I don't want to live in such a snipy world

          You're a hypocrite. You hold others to a high standard of behaviour yet your own behaviour falls way below this standard. Let me remind you of the unwarranted attacks and insults you've dished out in this thread:

          What the f is wrong with you?
          thank you really, airal3rt douchbag
          why go there unless you're a douchebag (profanity)
          I just can't handle male douchery
          I think you're a gross person
          you sound like a truly gross person
          Your rot is obvious

          You need to drop the sanctimonious attitude and take a closer look at your own behaviour. It's deplorable. If you want dignity and respect to be the norm, you need to lead by example.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 17:47
          -4

          @Drifter: I apologised for that. And I rarely talk like that, I just overreacted because I've been abused from very bad men who think that's the norm. And you're deplorable for not taking that into account.

        • [Deactivated] on 16/11/2017 - 17:48

          @aussieprepper: That does not surprise me :/

        • Baghern on 16/11/2017 - 17:55
          +1

          @VivE:

          Same reason no one wants to sponsor womens sports… as much as the feminist whinge… no one's watching/buying/suupporting

        • pogichinoy on 18/11/2017 - 23:09
          +3

          @VivE:

          Are people meant to know your backstory and assume you were hurt hence your poor behaviour reflects this?

          No.

          As they say, first impressions last.

          Also lack of empathy is not restrictive to Australia culture. I’d say Australians just don’t have patience for whingers.

        • [Deactivated] on 18/11/2017 - 23:37

          @pogichinoy: This is my first time posting on here, I didn't know it worked and that people tease half heartedly. I've apologised. I can't do anything more. Good luck with your black and white thinking mate. You sound like a really quality person.

        • pogichinoy on 19/11/2017 - 00:32
          +4

          @VivE: very naive. But welcome to the internet. Good luck in your future endeavours and I hope you develop more self confidence.

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