JB Hifi are offering a $100 and $80 discount on the Pixel 2 XL and Pixel 2 respectively.
Google Pixel 2 64GB $999 / 128GB $1129, Google Pixel 2 XL 64GB $1299, 128GB $1449 ($80-$100 off) @ JB Hi-FI
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@eug: both reviews are low light. Think nighttime with no light sources. I had pixel xl and this was one of my niggles with the phone.
Eg : https://i.redd.it/jvrh30xz9d301.jpg
Pixel on the left, note 8 on the right@John Kimble: pixel 2 camera on pixel. Although no difference on pixel 2 as can be seen on the many forums. Low light is great, but very low light is terrible. I took these btw. Can send originals.
@John Kimble: I would guess at over 50% is low light and indoor, and of those probably only 5% are night time photos. If you are implying that it doesn't matter, I think you would be wrong when talking about a phone this expensive when others that are cheaper CAN take very low light photos.
@OnlinePred: Not saying it doesn't matter, I just wouldn't call it a deal breaker on it's own. But obviously things like this add up and there may be other phones that don't have this issue.
I would guess at over 50% is low light and indoor, and of those probably only 5% are night time photos. If you are implying that it doesn't matter, I think you would be wrong when talking about a phone this expensive when others that are cheaper CAN take very low light photos.
If that 5% is very important to you, then sure, the Pixel 2 isn't for you.
I'm just glad Google concentrated on the 95% of photos (probably 99% for normal people) which are not taken with (virtually) no light.
I just took these photos in auto mode in a dark room illuminated to 1 lux with a 5000K light source.
That's roughly equivalent to one candle one meter away, ignoring the color temperature difference. I'm pretty sure that's as dim a situation as most people would bother taking photos in (e.g. a candle-lit dinner, lit by literally only one candle one meter away). The photos look brighter than in real life.
The Note 8's intense noise reduction smothers all detail out of the grey acoustic panel the objects are sitting on. The overall color is inaccurate as well, with a reddish tinge.
If you take most of your photos in light levels lower than 1 lux, I have to say your requirements are very, very unusual. Don't bother with any phone - I would highly suggest a proper camera instead.
@eug: Yea it's the whole Pixel photos are unrealistic and don't represent what you actually see, which is why I don't care about the 95% that the pixel is "better" at. Anyway, just my opinion. And I remember reading somewhere that the majority of photos uploaded to Google Photos were in low light - which is why Pixel focused on it - I guess this is because people take more photos when they are out at night although your circumstances might be different.
Yea it's the whole Pixel photos are unrealistic and don't represent what you actually see
Both the Note 8 and Pixel 2 images were brighter than what I actually saw. The Pixel 2's colour was more accurate.
And I remember reading somewhere that the majority of photos uploaded to Google Photos were in low light - which is why Pixel focused on it - I guess this is because people take more photos when they are out at night although your circumstances might be different.
Yes - that's probably why the low light photos, like the example I gave above, are better than the Note 8.
You were talking about "no" light photos. The photos above were at 1 lux which is really low - you wouldn't eat dinner in that dark a room. Yet, the Pixel 2 photos were superior to the Note 8 photos.
Were you using the stock camera app on the Pixel when you took that photo? Was it saved in JPEG mode?
Anyway, just my opinion.
This was your opinion:
S8 and note 8 take far better photos than v20 and 6p. It takes far better night shots than both pixel and pixel 2
From my objective evidence, the Pixel 2 took a better night photo (1 lux) than the Note 8.
@eug: If I take a photo on my note 8 under candlelight, it is not as bright as that.
Here is a typical Pixel (OG XL 128gb) night shot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/nhGKcGHBM5jukDtG2 - I literally have albums of terrible night photos only during the period of the Pixel and nexus 6P. Note 8, S8, S7, S6 and even OP5, OP3t took better NIGHT photos.
Notice how it does not look like a day shot like yours? Also where in Australia are you right now to be taking night photos?
@OnlinePred: On a similar topic, the strobing effect in photos and videos under certain lights is a bit lame/weird…
@OnlinePred: I think so. And the long thing tube ones that are parallel to the ceiling I think? What are they called?
@OnlinePred: took this photo this morning at the doctors because I thought the poster was funny.
Was strobing hard left to right on the screen and it shows as 3 vertical darker bands on the photo.
https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/190487/54732/img_20171…
Doesn't happen all the time, eg not with my xiaomi usb light…
Notice how it does not look like a day shot like yours?
That's how exposure metering works. That photo has one very bright subject surrounded by a comparatively dark sky and water. The center-weighted metering on the camera exposes the frame for the subject in the center - the brightly-lit Opera House. To expose for the bright colors, a higher shutter speed has to be used. That results in the much darker surroundings appearing even darker. HDR mode would have helped. Was it enabled?
Also where in Australia are you right now to be taking night photos?
If you close the door to a windowless room, it'll be as dark as night inside.
Was strobing hard left to right on the screen and it shows as 3 vertical darker bands on the photo.
It's called banding, and is a result of our 50Hz mains frequency and the US-centric Pixel which seemingly only does anti-banding for 60Hz. If you're not using the stock camera app, you can check the settings to see if there's an anti-banding setting. It needs to be set to 50Hz.
Anti-banding is simply selecting a shutter speed that works well with our mains frequency, i.e. multiples of 50Hz (e.g. 1/50, 1/100). If the camera's auto exposure system decides on a shutter speed that isn't, you'll get banding. That photo you posted was shot at 1/60. Next time you're back there, if your camera app has a manual mode, try switch between 1/50 and 1/60 and see the difference.
@eug: Yea HDr auto I believe was enabled. And it didn't help if I manually exposed to the sky as it just couldn't deal with darkness. My friends were using their S6, my old S7 and even an iP6 and they ALL turned out far better than anything I could muster. I tried all settings as I wanted to prove my expensive new toy had the best camera which everyone claimed it did.
OK cool. Yeah I use the stock camera. Can you recommend one I can change this setting on?
I haven't used a different app on the Pixel 2 yet, as the stock one works great for my use. I've used Camera FV-5 in the past but it looks like autofocus isn't working on the Pixel 2. It does let you change the shutter speed to see the effect though.
Yea HDr auto I believe was enabled.
It probably was one of those situations where it decided not to enable itself.
My friends were using their S6, my old S7 and even an iP6 and they ALL turned out far better than anything I could muster. I tried all settings as I wanted to prove my expensive new toy had the best camera which everyone claimed it did.
There'd be other situations where it would have shone. The original Pixel's camera is very highly-regarded, but all cameras will have weaknesses in certain areas. I didn't have the original Pixel but had the S6, S7, S8, and now Pixel 2 and the Pixel 2 is hands-down the best of the lot. No comparison.
@eug: sweet! Hopefully pixel 3 will use a better screen and have a better design and then I'll be in!
@eug: Just tried that app, it automatically seems to detect the banding and chooses the multiple 50 shutter speed!
I've personally never used them
That's probably why. :)
Oh FFS. It took me like 2 weeks to convince myself I don't need a Google Pixel 2. Y U PLAY WITH MY EMOTIONS LYK DIS.
the pixel 2's price tag should on the XL
I agree with most of you guys that Pixel 2 XL is overpriced. Come'on Google, you are not Apple! BUT BUT BUT
Brilliant Camera, Long Battery Life, Quick OS Updates. Cannot see any screen issues (but not even close to Samsung's AMOLED) and no lag (S8 started to lag after six months).
Just bought a Pixel 2 XL(upgrade from S8). It was a big change from the Samsung User Interface and style, took me a while to get used to it. I would recommend it if you can afford it!
I owned Nexus 4, 5, 5X, 6P, and the latest Pixel 2. Out of them all, only 5X is shit (bought 2 from different stores, both bootlooped after a few months). Pixel 2 by far is the best!
As a long time iPhone user, currently using iPhone 7 (and previously disappointed with Android), I’m actually impressed with the OS, it’s so clean and fast. I don’t personally own one but have been doing heaps research and trying out at jb hifi/Telstra stores etc.
One thing that really annoys me is that at this price tag, the amount of complaints is way too much to me.
I seriously thought about switching to pixel 2xl until the blue tint issue.
Camera wise pixel 2 xl does better in low light and portrait mode but I heard the portrait mode on the iPhone can be improved via software update(correct me if I’m wrong).
I haven’t really heard/read many complaints about the new X except the notch but personally it doesn’t annoy me as much.
If you can’t afford the X I would say def go for the pixel 2 xl!
I really have issue with the 3 seconds screen interference when you turn on the camera mode, I have tried 5+ phone and this problem appears to be common on both models. JB HIFI told me they may launch an update to fix it, Telstra just didn't admit it as an issue. It's so annoying that you spend $1000 on a phone it already has a glitch. Anyone else identified the issue? It looks like a few lines flashing on the screen, it goes way in 3 seconds
I don't have this issue?
I don't either.
Love the phone but the price is definitely a joke. It's double what it should be and even that is pushing it.
If Pixels weren't Telstra exclusives, they'd get a lot more traction I think…I'm with Optus and I'd get a Pixel if they offered it.
It's not like Telstra is doing anything special with the phones…
If they weren't JB exclusives they'd probably be cheaper too!
Absolutely…JB can charge whatever they like, because the only alternative is Google, at nothing less than full RRP
I got told today this is to the 24\12\17 not the 16th like Google offer?
Can someone confirm please?
Pixel 2 XL is manufactured by LG = potential bootloop of death. No thanks.
huh, I thought that worry died after that bootloop generation of phones (g5/v10)
G4, 5x, v10, v20, maybe v30 and pixel 2 xl.
Is there any evidence the V20/V30 ever suffered from it?
There's no evidence that the 2XL does, so no need to spread that false concern.
@eug: there were some reports in relation to the v20. Time will tell for the v30 and pixel 2 XL as they are newly released. The bootloop is related to the aging electronic circuitry. My son's Nexus 5x just suddenly go into bootloop while we were on vacation overseas. No warning what so ever.
I have heard about this issue on many occasions but did not believe it until it happened to me.
there were some reports in relation to the v20.
The only reports I've read are related to a faulty USB cable.
The bootloop is related to the aging electronic circuitry.
According to the lawsuit, the problem was caused by inadequate soldering. Thermal cycling resulted in solder connections, presumably to the BGA, coming loose.
That's a problem that's easily addressed in newer designs, so there's no reason to believe LG still manufacture phones the same way.
Isn't that's like saying all Samsung's will explode?
The bootloop is common and many generations.
Also Samsung recalled their product but LG did not. I will buy Samsung products with great confidence.
Back to normal price now
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@OnlinePred:
Having a look at this, the Note 8 and Pixel 2 XL look pretty similar in low light (the last photo comparison). The reviewer says the colors from the Note 8 aren't as accurate as the Pixel 2 in that shot too.
This review of the Pixel XL says:
What makes you say the Pixel can't do night time photography?