I Fell Asleep at The Wheel :(

juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 10:39
Last edited 22/12/2017 - 15:10 by 1 other user

Just came back from a holiday in Vietnam. Pople over there wake up so early and I was awake at 5.30am VN time. Caught a flight at 8pm VN time on the same day, couldn't sleep at all on the 9 hour flight over here.

Left the airport around 10am Syd time, and picked up my car and drove home with my four kids. Unbelievably exhausted at that point. Awake for more than 24 hours.

Never have I ever fell asleep on the wheel before so I thought I'd be fine.

Just a km from home, I stop at the traffic lights, waiting for the green light. And bam, unknowingly I closed my eyes. My body completely shut down while my foot was stuck on the brake pedal.

I hear a faint beeping of a car horn behind me and I try to wake up but its taking so long. I'm struggling to open my eyes, I'm fighting it and by the second sound of a horn, I open my eyes. :(

It felt like ages OMG. So scary! And to think i had my 4 kids with me ;(

What do u call it, micro sleep? Never again!! :(

Just want to say sorry, I can never forgive myself. Sorry to the people behind me on the Horsley Drive, Fairfield traffic lights. Sorry to my kids (they didnt know btw) sorry to people who are reading this and think im a bad mother.

Lastly, wishing everyone a safe Xmas.. Please rest and drive if your going on a long drive. Scariest moment of my life, never experienced this micro sleep thing, never knew ur body can just shut down like that :(

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Comments

  • bonezAU on 22/12/2017 - 10:41
    +41

    What do u call it, micro sleep?

    I call it getting an Uber or Taxi home from the airport and picking your car up the next day.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 10:44
      +23

      Yeah like I said, never was aware of this thing. Had no clue.
      Next time I definitely will get a taxi home

      • k-rokfm on 22/12/2017 - 10:57
        +1

        Or you could just call or fatigue

      • CMH on 22/12/2017 - 16:23
        +17

        I have had your same luck in having experienced sleeping behind the wheel once without consequence, and never again.

        Now when I feel tired while driving behind the wheel I just stop somewhere, set an alarm for 15 min and just take a nap. Waking up after that 15 mins gives you so much more energy than any amount of caffeine, air-conditioning or loud music would ever provide.

        • Meconium on 23/12/2017 - 10:41
          +17

          Not destroying your car and killing your children and yourself is one of the best bargains you can possibly find. Have a bargainy happy Christmas and count your bargains and blessings!

        • juki on 24/12/2017 - 19:34

          i work shift hours and when you are tired there is no amount of caffeine, energy drink, rain in face or loud music or even biting tongue that will keep you awake. Its sometimes tempting to keep driving but having kids do change the game so yeah naps even to be safe.

      • shadowangel on 23/12/2017 - 12:49

        Flights can really take it out of you, it's not just staying up it's the dehydration as well.

      • D Money on 23/12/2017 - 17:59
        +3

        You were never aware/had no clue that not sleeping for more than 24 hours and driving was a bad idea?
        Are you aware that drink driving is also a bad idea? 4 kids….

        • juicy j on 23/12/2017 - 22:23
          +2

          Completely aware of drink driving and speeding, I've never lost any demerit points and renew my licence at half price because I'm a safe driver.

          Tbh I wasnt thinking straight at the time, my goal on that day was hurry up Customs at the airport, let me go home and sleep. That was what was on my mind only. sorry

      • CharityCase on 24/12/2017 - 12:25

        Never aware of UBER? Those coupons…Where have you been these years on Ozbargain?

  • TheBilly on 22/12/2017 - 10:45
    +35

    So dangerous - I used to work east of the city and live in penrith - 6 days a week driving and working 12 hours a day. By saturday afternoon driving home on the M5 without even realising my eyes would shut momentarily and I would try to push on just to get home. After happening once or twice I forced myself into the habit of pulling over and napping. This made a world of difference, to think that I couldve fallen asleep at 110kmh now gives me shudders. Dont even risk it when tired. Imagine the damage to yourself and others. Lesson learnt I guess !

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 10:51
      +12

      Yes, lesson learnt. Don't know wtf I was thinking :(

      • ddhar on 22/12/2017 - 11:00
        +4

        You wouldn't have been able to think at all in that state.

        • TheBilly on 22/12/2017 - 16:33
          +35

          I'd say it's good general awareness over the holiday period as so many families hit the roads to holiday. This reminder might just resonate with a frustrated tired dad or mum wanting to push through Sydney to Brisbane or something. Who knows. I myself am road tripping next week and this triggered my own bad experience in my mind.

        • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 16:48
          +35

          Goal here was for a warning and awareness to those that don't fully know. I thought I knew but apparently not. Had no clue the body could just shut down. Not seeking attention. Please its the truth. I already wished everyone a safe xmas, not only for the holidays but for the rest of their lives, happy and safe.

          And I do not whatsoever feel less guilty if people have gone through what I went through, this hapened over a week ago and I still beat myself about it. So much so I haven't been driving at all.. I'm that spooked.

        • DiscoJango on 22/12/2017 - 17:06
          +11

          the motive would be to just have the discussion. maybe the OP is too embarrassed to tell anyone in real life, so its much easier being anonymous on the internet. also "we" always go on about talking about our problems (eg: mental health) however when someone does, people like you come out and say wtf are you doing get the hell out of here.

          op is merely telling their story and raising awarness of the issue at the same time. if you dont want to be a part of the 'human' community then i feel sorry for you. i hope one day you have some troubles and when you do get the guts to speak up, that person tells you to go to hell.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 17:34
          -3

          @Julie4dung:
          In Victoria at least, there have been large road advertising campaigns saying quite clearly 'fatigue kills' for ages. Is awareness really the issue, or hubris? I also think trying to internet diagnose tiredness onset sleep is trying to deflect responsibility.

        • Slippery Fish on 22/12/2017 - 18:38
          -5

          @Julie4dung: I didn't mean to offend, I was just making conversation and trying to understand you better. As I said I don't think you need to feel bad, just remember for next time. People (profanity) up, me more then most :)

          Merry Christmas.

        • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 18:49
          +1

          Deflect responsibility.. I see where you are coming from but honestly, no. I was thinking "is there such a thing, am I the only one on this planet who has experienced this?" I was so shocked and numb at the experience I wanted to google it. I read it and was like "ok, I fkd up" Everyone knows what tiresness is but body completely shutting down?

          I've already said it was my fault for being careless, I never said oh blame it on "micro sleep" because at the end of the day, I know for a fact in hindsight I shouldn't have gone behind the wheel, unfortunately in hindsight but fortunately, I was lucky.

          Now if I ever did that again.. knowing what I know now, well, i'd feel like that driver who purposely plowed into people today in Melbourne

        • DiscoJango on 22/12/2017 - 20:02
          +2

          @Slippery Fish: i was actually a super i dont give a toss supporter. i dont protest for anything. the world will keep spinning no matter what my views.

        • juki on 24/12/2017 - 19:38
          +1

          I have never seen one of those signs, I must have been asleep or not around my area
          Also a real story is a bit different at catching attention than another billboard - also its a forum, so its just another converstation do we really need to seek the "real issue behind posting"

    • EightImmortals on 22/12/2017 - 11:01
      +3

      Yep same here, even pulling over to get 10-15 minutes sleep makes a lot of difference.

      • [Deactivated] on 23/12/2017 - 17:03
        +1

        In my experience getting an extra 10-15mins doesn't help at all I go for an extra hour or three

        • EightImmortals on 27/12/2017 - 17:42

          Everyone is different I guess. When I was on the road a lot and started feeling tired a quick 10-15 minute nap on the side of the road often did wonders. :)

  • dcep on 22/12/2017 - 10:48
    -7

    That's why there are road warning signs - "Driving Fatigue Kills"

    You won't see it coming. Your eyes & brain just shutdown like a switch.

    Next time get some energy drinks V / redbulls / etc. before driving.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 10:52
      +2

      Next time i'll get a return airport transfer and drink energy drinks too

      • TheRealCher on 22/12/2017 - 18:08
        +5

        Throw out energy drinks. Buy some melatonin while you're over there and switch your body clock to your place of return.
        If you cannot sleep, do not do anything. It's the equivalent of being massively plastered. Not just what you do but what you can't do eg brake, evacuate your vehicle, etc.

        World is worth more than the fare home to your house. I know you know this but you need to feel it too. Put a plan into place for next time.

        And feel gratitude and peace for your chance to reassess things…. Pass on your fortune to someone else by helping them out over Xmas :)
        Take care OK? 🤔 ☺️

        • greatlamp on 23/12/2017 - 07:56

          Great advice

          Melatonin is a prescription medicine in Australia, but you are allowed to bring in a supply from overseas for personal use ( around 3 months quantity )

    • afoveht on 22/12/2017 - 11:59
      +23

      Energy drinks, loud music, fresh air, etc. only work for a short time. Nothing can replace rest/sleep.

      • Slippery Fish on 22/12/2017 - 16:21

        Tell that to narcoleptics lol

    • Cheeper on 22/12/2017 - 13:48
      +1

      If you are so tired you need red bull or similar get a motel room and have a rest, get off the road.
      Boost drinks are ok but will not stop what the OP here has experienced and wisely passed on.
      I experienced it a long time ago… came to to see traffic posts and trees in front of me… damn scary.
      Simply… It is just not worth it people.

    • mbck on 22/12/2017 - 14:14
      +1

      Take a 15 Min power nap

  • bobbified on 22/12/2017 - 10:50
    +2

    What do u call it, micro sleep?

    From the sounds of it, there was nothing micro about your snooze!

    Shit happens and some people don't make it out alive. Glad to hear you're still with us!

    At least you now know and you'll be planning ahead next time to avoid that situation from occurring again!

    Have a great Christmas!

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 10:53

      I googled it and micro sleep popped up?

      • bobbified on 22/12/2017 - 10:58
        +4

        It sounds like you just slept!

        The micro sleeps usually happen for half a second or so and sometimes people don't realise it.

        There's actually a mind trick to avoid it. Most of these dozing-off accidents happen close to home because your mind knows you're almost home and you start relaxing (sometimes too much!). If you're able to convince yourself at the start that you've got much further to drive, you can avoid your mind relaxing like that. (But it's not as easy as it sounds!)

  • FireRunner on 22/12/2017 - 10:52
    +5

    Sounds like a good lesson learned. Good thing your foot was on the brake pedal when you dozed off.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 10:54
      +4

      Luckily and miraculously it was!

  • GG57 on 22/12/2017 - 10:54
    +3

    It is scary, and as others have said, lesson learned.

    This should be a consideration when we book trips, thinking about how we get to / from airports (and the time of day / amount of sleep we will have had). The trip starts and finishes at home.

  • pegaxs on 22/12/2017 - 10:57

    No sleep for 24 hours and you thought it would be a good idea to drive a car with 4 kids in it… There is even a hotel at the airport that will let you book in for short stays less than a day. Taxi, Uber, train, calling a friend… could have killed your kids and killed other road users who would have had no choice. It could have been the accelerator instead of the brake.

    I also find it hard, with all of the tv and media attention around it that you had no idea what driver fatigue was.

    Thanks for letting me know what area you are in so I can avoid being around there while you are driving.

    As a heavy vehicle operator who has to fill out a log book and manage fatigue, this kind of “right to drive” mentality car drivers have just does my head in.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 11:01
      +2

      I mean I know about it but stupidly, It didnt cross my mind and I thought I was going to be fine. All I wanted to do was go home and rest.

      And dw, I'm moving houses soon so it wont be a problem, can drive around Fairfield without worries

  • myusername on 22/12/2017 - 10:57
    -1

    you could've killed someone and or your kids also

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 11:02
      +9

      Fully aware of that, which is why I will never forgive myself til the day I die

      • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 11:08

        Did you still drive home after falling asleep?

        • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 11:09
          +21

          No! I pulled over to the side and had a little nap. Kids were sleeping as well. Slept for like 2 hrs but still.. The guilt :(

        • Kangal on 22/12/2017 - 21:50

          @Julie4dung:
          Knowing that road, you probably would've been safer driving.
          Fairfield really is a ghetto at night. Take extra care for next time.

  • airzone on 22/12/2017 - 10:59
    +4

    When you woke up in shock, you probably had enough adrenaline pumping to keep you awake for a whole 5 minutes.

  • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 11:00
    +4

    These awareness campaigns are just the offender trying to forgive themselves, rationalise it by hearing other stories and spread the guilt. The 'never happened before' excuse doesn't cut it when life is on the line.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 11:07
      +4

      I will never forgive myself, thought it was something that would never happen to me or something that you see on the tv :(

      • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 11:39
        -1

        Guilt doesn't achieve much, but I think you should look at your planning. If your 4 kids are young, in your fatigued state you were not even able to supervise them let alone drive them, probably for 6 hours. The 2 hours sleeping in the car weren't supervised either.

        • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 11:45
          +1

          kids are 13,11.10, and 9.

        • afoveht on 22/12/2017 - 13:06
          +10

          Guilt doesn't achieve much,

          Sounds to me like it's served its purpose well in this situation.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 13:20
          -3

          @thevofa:
          I think it's more an expression of anxiety than reform. Reform doesn't need to be broadcast, it would be inward change. I wonder with some of the self flagellating religions, whether they would do their self harm in isolation. Their acts are inherently outwards and performed in public.

        • afoveht on 22/12/2017 - 15:15
          +1

          @Frugal Rock: How did you learn to understand people more than they understand themselves?

        • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 15:17
          +1

          @thevofa:
          Facetiousness.

    • Diji1 on 22/12/2017 - 13:53

      Your imagination is not a substitution for reality. So why are you talking as though it is?

      • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 14:32
        -1

        People saying 'lesson learnt' are imaginatively speculating. Why aren't you pointing that out, each and every time?

  • tagin on 22/12/2017 - 11:30

    I've done that before at a traffic light with my foot on the brake.

    • loulou1 on 22/12/2017 - 11:39
      +6

      bit full on don't you think? Yes she did the wrong thing, she has admitted that. She has come here as a reminder to others that driving while fatigued is dangerous.

      She will not get a fine from a camera. Fixed cameras monitor red lights and speeding, not people falling asleep.

      She would not have been arrested, jailed and children put in care if a police officer observed the behaviour. A fine perhaps and a stern reminder of the dangers of driving while fatigued. You are being overly dramatic.

      • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 11:43
        +1

        It's sort of full on, but then again I dealt with a guy in a wheelchair with serious cerebral palsy because his sports pro father had a beer, fell asleep and the kid fell into a pool. Destroyed their whole lives and family in minutes of carelessness.

        • loulou1 on 22/12/2017 - 11:48

          IIRC Cerebal Palsy is due to damage to the developing brain either during pregnancy or shortly after birth, not from an accident.

          I agree that lives can be just in a matter of seconds due to carelessness. Julie4dung has learnt a valuable lesson.

        • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 11:50

          @loulou1:
          You don't RC. You really think I'm making it up?

          "Cerebral palsy is the result of a combination of events either before, during or after birth"

          Lack of oxygen to a developing brain can cause it.

        • loulou1 on 22/12/2017 - 11:53

          @Frugal Rock: fair enough, just like OP I am suffering from lack of sleep. (have children they said, it will be fun they said. They dont tell you the darn things like to be up at the crack of dawn every day)

      • pegaxs on 22/12/2017 - 12:02
        +4

        After working for emergency services and extracting dead kids/families out of cars from drunk/fatigued driver accidents, I don’t think it was too harsh/full on.

        OP knew they had not slept in 24 hours, had a myriad of other options at their disposal, surrounded by ad campaigns and a plethora of information on driving fatigued and still decided that the life of their children was worth less then getting home to bed.

        OP got lucky, nothing more. This could have been a a very different post.

      • ShannonN on 22/12/2017 - 12:06
        +1

        No its not! you may disagree, your choice, this person having children to protect and certainly old enough to know better could have pulled over as soon as she started drifting off and slept like she did after this incident.

        How would you like to have a head on accident with this lady under these circumstances with your loved ones in your car? No fault of yours, just silly people how would you like to wake up in hospital with broken bones, your kids dead her kids dead etc?

        Sounds harsh yes. The softcock approach to traffic offenses and negligent acts in this country are appalling, jail ppl take cars and licenses off them and it will put a dent into the never happen to me attitude

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 11:55
      +1

      Sorry but I didn't come on here to seek penance. i came on here because I realised what I did was so f**kn stupid and for others like me, that it can happen and dont ever ever think it won't happen to you or that you will be fine.

      I still shake my head in disbelief. Dumbfounded actually. I mean when I hear about it on the news etc I shake my head and think "wtf r u dumb?" well well well it happened to me

      • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 12:16
        -8

        It's pretty disrespectful to think because of your own actions and decisions, that it can happen to anybody. Drug taking doesn't just happen to anybody. Gambling addiction doesn't just happen to anybody. Unfit driving isn't an accident.

        • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 12:26
          +3

          it is pretty disrespectful, thats why I feel like sh*t
          I was unknowingly an ignorant b**ch really
          I deserve all the hateful comments tbh
          To knowingly put urself and others in danger is another thing, but to be ignorant and dumb, to me is just as bad as knowingly doing so eg: drink driving/speeding

        • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 12:48
          +2

          @Julie4dung:
          I wondered about this type of issue when Richie Benaud crashed his car into a fence due to old age and driving whilst unwell. He didn't know when to hang up his keys. It's only luck that no one was hurt. His behaviour was just as bad as others who have killed, but he was just lucky, the fence was rebuilt and he is still a national icon.

        • R-Man on 22/12/2017 - 14:35

          @Frugal Rock:

          Could you elaborate a bit more as I may be missing your point

          2 hours ago you said

          It's pretty disrespectful to think because of your own actions and decisions, that it can happen to anybody.

          But now you're discussing how things can indeed happen to anyone - Richie Benaud? (someone thinking they're fit to do an activity and the warnings against that activity are for "other people not me")

        • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 14:39

          @R-Man:
          Richie Benaud's actions are as irresponsible as others facing criminal charges for culpable driving, his only mitigating factor being luck. He should have been charged for his accident. If you discharge a gun, saying it luckily missed isn't a defence, but cars, which kill more Australians than guns, are judged on whether the driver got lucky or not.

  • loulou1 on 22/12/2017 - 11:37
    +13

    So glad you are still with us and nobody was hurt. Think of it as a great life lesson. You will never do it again.
    We all make mistakes in life, you will learn from this and do better in the future :)

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 12:05

      thank you

  • Ryanek on 22/12/2017 - 11:44
    +3

    You know what keeps me alert at the wheel during long drives?… eating pumpkin seeds. Those little buggers are annoying to eat and you can munch on them without taking your eyes off the wheel.

  • noyesmaybeok on 22/12/2017 - 11:51

    All too common… especially in cities with public transport, taxies, uber there's plenty of options available these days.

    For longer trips always better to wake up at a normal time and keep the routine steady. Even waking up 1-2 hrs early can really impact later in the day.

  • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 11:55

    Lesson learned and without a tragedy, so you got really lucky, OP. Others have pointed out just how lucky you are not to have killed your family or have yourkids grow up without a Mum.

    Alongside driver fatigue, also worthwhile at this point to mention the old White Line Fever (Highway Hypnosis)if you're doing long-haul drives over Xmas. Scary stuff, can happen even if you don't feel tired.

    Take frequent stops, don't drive impaired and stay safe, everyone! Ambos and medics want a quiet Xmas too. And the cops can live without a Xmas bonus in the form of a speeding or drunk-driving fine. ;)

  • JenPat on 22/12/2017 - 12:16
    +8

    Hug your kids and family a little tighter. I personally have lost a partner and Mother due to road trauma, it is absolutely devastating for the family no matter what the circumstances.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 15:51

      Yes I did! I'm terribly sorry for your loss, I'm sorry for being careless too

  • Seraphin7 on 22/12/2017 - 12:47
    +1

    I'd say you were a hair's breadth away from killing yourself and your kids. Could have just as easily happened with your foot stuck on the accelerator.

  • Cheeper on 22/12/2017 - 13:53
    +3

    Thanks for passing on your experience and warning Julie4dung. As you say, lesson learnt.
    I found out the hard way but fortunately I did not hit anything or anyone and to this day make sure that i take plenty of breaks and dont overdo it.
    Some here may criticise you but they do not see the message that you are passing on and how damn deadly this microsleep can be. Until you experience it you will not know.
    It is just not worth it.

    • [Deactivated] on 22/12/2017 - 14:04

      The excuse that only people who have done it will understand is ponderous minimalising. How can you express elitism over a failing? It's the same excuse used by addicts. Maybe people who have not experienced it are experts in taking preventive measures and the fault is yours.

  • barbarella on 22/12/2017 - 14:01
    +1

    glad you are all ok and lesson learnt

  • havebeerbelywillsumo on 22/12/2017 - 14:52
    +12

    Had the guts to post….and reply. Thanks for the headsup OP.

  • PJC on 22/12/2017 - 15:02
    +4

    Always be 100% honest with yourself about whether you need a snooze before you continue driving. It doesn't matter what you might be late for. Missing your daughter's wedding is still better than filling an early coffin. Best wishes to you and Merry Christmas.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 15:52
      +1

      Thank you. Merry Xmas to you too

  • JetLi on 22/12/2017 - 15:03

    It's called a Nanna nap.

  • AdosHouse on 22/12/2017 - 15:04

    Back when I was a learner, ripe old age of 16, my parents had dance lessons about 50 minutes from home. These were on school nights, and I would always go with them, and I would drive if traffic wasn't too bad.
    Anyway coming home one night, it was winter and cold, it was hammering down rain, and lessons went way over schedule and parents stayed back to chat for ages. So I was driving home at about 10pm, been at school all day remember, parents turned the heater on, all the windows were up, radio off, and both went to sleep, and I was driving down a very quiet highway. Started getting quite tired, and a micro-sleep hit me, it was so out of the blue. I only realised it happened because I literally felt like I blinked and opened my eyes and I was not taking a bend in the highway, I quickly reefed the wheel around and thankfully the car maintained grip and I made it around just narrowly avoiding the safety barrier. That was a wake up call for me.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 15:53

      Glad you were ok. Its a wake up call for me too. Merry Xmas

    • WhyAmICommenting on 23/12/2017 - 02:19

      Your parents are also insane. Nice to hear that it all ended ok (and you learnt despite their irresponsibility)

  • PAZMAT on 22/12/2017 - 15:05
    +2

    Glad your family is ok. My cousin wasn't so lucky. Her Mum was driving and fell asleep, car rolled off the road into a tree. She was in a coma for over 2 weeks. The doctors were telling people to come say their final goodbyes. Fortunately she eventually woke up. Had to relearn how to walk and talk and has permanent scarring. Even if I'm a little bit tired I'll have a decent rest before driving. It's not worth it.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 15:50
      +1

      I'm so sorry to hear that..

  • dylanando on 22/12/2017 - 15:05
    +2

    Defiantly a lesson learnt and you're very lucky you came out alive.
    People don't realize how someone could fall asleep at the wheel but happens all to often.
    As you said in your op, Your body just shuts down, But this is defiantly an eye opener (No pun intended) and if you're in a similar situation just pull over and have a 15 minute nap.

  • daviid24 on 22/12/2017 - 15:21
    +1

    Good on you for posting OP! With the holidays season in full swing, its always good to stay safe on the road and be mindful of your actions as it may affect others in possibly unfortunate ways. Please stay safe out there everyone and do what is right even if it cuts a little bit of your holiday time.

  • idonotknowwhy on 22/12/2017 - 15:27
    +2

    Thanks for the warning. I didn't know this was actually a thing.

    • juicy j on 22/12/2017 - 15:49
      +2

      Same here! I mean you hear about driver fatigue but I thought it was like falling asleep like going to bed.. and I never fully understood it.

      But this was like my body shutting down unexpectedly, like a busted light bulb or something. As I closed my eyes my mind knew what was happening but my body didnt want to respond

      • LightningMcQueen on 23/12/2017 - 00:04
        +1

        Thanks for posting. Valuable lesson learnt.

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