First Deal I've posted so hope it helps. Seems to be almost the cheapest price ever for this vacuum if using click and collect.
Cylinder vacuum cleaner
with HEPA filter for the greatest hygiene demands.
High suction power – 2,000 W
Universally applicable – floorhead with metal soleplate
Maximum air hygiene with HEPA AirClean filter
Adjustable working height – Stainless steel telescopic tube
No need to stoop thanks to plus/minus foot controls
The vacuum is 2000 watts, a kettle would be 2400 watts, a Nespresso maybe the same brewing.
Usually, from my understanding, you should try not to exceed maybe 2400 for a power point. If they are on different points then that is weird maybe your fuse is too small?
Make your coffee or tea after you finish vacuuming?
See my comment below :)
Yes you said it better.
I don't live alone. Some people just expect their appliances to work and don't think about these things.
The Kitchen is where you expect a lot of these appliances to work at the same time. And if you're vacuuming the kitchen, well I guess you have to pick a time when people aren't doing things.
What kettle do you have that draws 2400 watts?
I have a toaster and a kettle. They both are connected to the same double socket, run at the same time and I have never had any issues.
It's not unusual for kettles. The first one I found at kmart is rated at 1800 - 2200W, for example.
Standard power circuit is rated for 16A continuous, but you can run 20A (2x 2400W) for long enough to toast / boil before the breaker trips.
If you can run both simultaneously for hours at a time, either: congratulations you have a higher power circuit, or, sorry about your house burning down ;)
@abb:
I live in a unit and all the power lines are embedded in the brick and concrete lined walls. Blowing a fuse is OK but burning out a line in the walll would be a bugger.
I use the toaster or kettles one at a time, its only a few minutes.
@abb:
Standard power circuit is 10A in Straya. If you don't tell them you need more, they'll install a 10A. For 16A you also get a slightly beefed up socket. You wouldn't burn down your house either, that's what the circuit breaker protects you from.
Who let's the toaster and kettle run for hours at a time? Do you run a cafe business from home? ;)
@liquid metal: Really? I'll check my copy of AS3000 tomorrow, I thought 16A breaker was standard for power circuits. Yes the outlet is nominally rated for 10A, but you often have 4 or more on one circuit…
The "beefed up" socket is for 15A.
that's what the circuit breaker protects you from
That's also why you can't run them both for hours ("If you can…") ;)
Do you run a cafe business from home?
Nah, just electrical stress tests
'Standard' 10 amp sockets are covered by a 16 amp breaker. (Sometimes 20 amp depending on the length of cable)
15 amp sockets aren't as easy as just telling your sparky you need them. You can only have one or two on a circuit. (Double powerpoint is classified as 2 points.)
@abb:
You're spot on, mate. I have my AS3000 in front of me ;)
You can have up to 16 powerpoints on a 16 amp breaker (assuming 2.5mm cable). Each point contributes 1 amp.
Obviously it's not smart to put your eggs in one basket, so a decent tradesmen will seperate into 2 circuits, as with lighting.
@BensonP: Cheers. I checked my sub board at home and all our power circuits are 20A, so I can toast & boil all day long, aww yeah.
For those playing at home
2000W vacuum will pull up to 8.3 amps
2400W appliance (microwave,kettle etc) = 10 amps
So that's a possible maximum of 18.3 amps. (Assuming they run at the same time)
Generally speaking power circuits with 10 amp sockets are protected by 16 amp MCB's.
That's why circuit breakers trip off. :)
The EU model is 1400w or it may be 1200w. They have a limit to how much power a vac can draw.
I think they should have used the same model for AU.
The latest EU model is 890W and works perfectly. Why we only have 2000W's, wast of energy and money
@John Kelvin: The suction power is variable. You dont need to be using all 2000W if you dont want to be.
We bought this 1200W one in a previous deal and certainly haven't been left wanting in terms of suction power. There are a few other sub-2000W C3 models sold here - why the rest are 2000W isn't clear to me.
@phocus: Their max setting draws the 890W. Our max draws 2000w. I have not heard about whether it's the same suction strength or weaker though. I don't think they would make a weak vac. They are known for making strong vacs.
@lostn: The vacuum manufacturers got into an arms race. But instead of going for the highest suction (measured in kPa or similar), or the highest flow (m^3 / hr or similar), they went with the old marketing chestnut of "mains power consumed" (Watts).
As a consequence, most vacuum cleaners are rather effective heaters that happen to produce suction as a side effect.
There are stories appearing now that some people in Europe complain they have to toast their bread twice.
So you have toasters that don't toast, vacuums that don't suck and some front load washers that don't wash well because they skimp on water.
But they save power and water, while they run, just have to run then longer or twice.
@abb:
It is actually the other way around with vacuum manufacturers. Europe forces them to use more power efficient motors. Eventually, they'll flow over to us.
@liquid metal: Ahh, but why did Europe have to make the rule in the first place?
It will flow to us iff people stop buying the one with the biggest W number on the box :)
(I hope you're right!)
@abb: Europe induced the ban as part of power reduction efforts. Think of incandescent light globes versus CFL or LED.
iff people stop buying the one with the biggest W number on the box
It would be better if manufacturers started advertising with a meaningful measure of suction like airwatts.
Watts is meaningless.
It would be better if manufacturers started advertising with a meaningful measure of suction like airwatts.
Compete by building better products? What kind of crazy idea is that!? Let's just put some sexy people and popular tunes in the ad.
@abb:
Because manufacturers need to be forced to sell more energy efficient devices. They ain't doing that themselves.
Great Vac for a small-medium sized house, if you don't mind using replacement bags (I don't) probably one of the best things going around, especially at this price.
I don't know why people are averse to bags. They're a few bucks each for a few months of vacuuming cleanly. If you go bagless, you have to empty it many times in the time it takes to fill one bag, and it's messy. These bags are 5L and you won't get any dust on you when you replace one.
I would much rather pay than put up with emptying a can, especially if it's a dyson which has a giant cyclone in the middle taking up most of the cannister space.
lostn I guess bags are seen as another item that goes in the ground. As for the bags although some are cheap they are still viewed as an ongoing cost and some cleaners I've used with a bag I notice a drop in power when the bag fills up past half way.
Your bags go the same place the dust goes if you dump it into a bin.
It is an ongoing cost but it's not an expensive one for the convenience you get. It keeps dust from getting on you, or sticking to the inside of the vac. It keeps the vac cleaner clean also. A dyson will never look clean unless you wipe it with a wet cloth.
Can’t agree with this anymore, I now have a Dyson stick vac and I miss having a bagged vacuum cleaner.
Because they fall for Dyson’s bagless bullshit. I’ve seen people spend $300 extra for a bagless Dyson that isn’t as good as a $300 Miele. $300 is enough for bags for years. You can even buy aftermarket bags for like $2 each. The bags have much more capacity than any bagless too, so there’s that.
You can generally get bags pretty cheap on ebay which is what I do.
Absolutely love my Miele. Sucks better than Sasha Grey and almost as enjoyable.
"I said don't disturb me when I'm cleaning my room!"
"Ever since we got the Miele vacuum cleaner, our son has been busy cleaning his room every day for hours."
Any good deals on CX1 multi?
Not sure. You might have to click on the link and search
That's far too much effort. Why don't you just tell the man!?
Yeah i've got this one, when I turn it on, my lights dim for a half sec due to power draw
Good vacuum tho,
Probably your in house electrical issue, no problem with mine.
if you have carpet, the turbo brush tool attachment is very good
Bought it thanks op
No problem I hope we both enjoy our new vac!
I’m gonna call her Sasha ☝️
Have the C3 Dog & Cat. Switched when the Dyson bagless died & will never use bagless again. So nice to just empty the bag without a cloud of dust and crap everywhere.
Love it, the only issue is that the ageing carpet in my rental has had threads pulled up by its awesome power. Will be interesting come bond time if they're expecting me to pay for carpet where the glue has perished.
After replacing carpet at our house I can say unless you have a massive floor space the carpet is unlikely to use any glue, glue is only used to combine pieces of carpet that has a length greater than the standard 3.8metres length they are cut in.
Carpet is just held down by the nail strips on the edges of the room
It's a long room AND a width greater than 3.8, carpet threads have indeed pulled up along the join. Was only a small little thread, which the Miele didn't cause initially, but latched on and grabbed heaps of it.
My experience mirrors yours. When I first bought a vac I had a choice between Dyson and Miele. The reviewers said Miele was better, but I went with Dyson because it was bagless and I wouldn't need to buy consumables. It performed well enough, but I quickly found out that the Dyson would need to be emptied very frequently because the tank didn't hold much dust and it was annoying every time I did it. If you shake it out, dust goes everywhere. If you do it outside, the wind blows it everywhere. I ended up using a shopping bag to empty it. One bag for a tiny amount of dust. I eventually ran out of shopping bags (and I had heaps). A lot of it got caught on the lid because of gravity (you open the lid, dust falls onto the lid). Getting it off the lid was messy, and you'd need to wipe it down after.
My Dyson didn't break but I'd had enough. I gave it away and got the Cat & Dog and never looked back. The Dyson I bought and its attachments which I also gave away ended up costing around the $700+ mark. I should have just listened to the reviews.
Now I only need to change the bag every 6 months or so, as opposed to emptying the can multiple times in one day.
There is seriously no comparison. Took me a while to convince my mother to switch away from Dyson. She’d bought crap vacs before Dyson and assumed that Dyson was just great based on that experience. Sure, Dyson is better than a $200 vac, but it doesn’t even come close to Miele. Also, the Miele quiet function is good if you want to vacuum late at night and people are asleep. She switched over and thinks it’s far better value than any Dyson she’s had.
Have an ancient 10yo miele s500 with an add on (not offficially compatible) turbo head. Have been waiting for it to die, but it keeps sucking the dirt\fur of two giant long coated dogs. Old miele quality was fantastic. There's about 2 filters and a bag in the old models (comes with the 4 pack bags) if you're looking at maintenance costs.
Old school Miele's are the best.
I wonder if the quality of the current range are equal?
I believe it is. They haven't changed the design much (e.g. still same dodgy accessory door like they had 20 years ago). Why should they? Working perfectly.
Miele is an expensive brand and is known for high quality and longevity. They can't afford that people ever start doubting that. The retailers are also not allowed to give any discounts and they still sell them without issues. You can only do that if you deliver consistently over decades.
hi guys, how is it compared to Dyson ones?
I have the C3 cats/dogs and it makes my Dyson looked sucked.
Unfortunately my wife complained that the suction is too strong esp on carpet for her to operate.
Now i am left with doing all the vacuuming myself :(
Not sure about yours but I can adjust suction power to about 5 different levels on mine
that is true, however, happy wife is happy life so :)
Don't give him ideas. Let the wife enjoy :P
It's better than a Dyson.
The only thing the Dyson has going for it is lack of consumable cost.
Question for you is whether you want convenience or save a bit on running costs.
The suction is better than a Dyson. As others have said, at max power, it wants to pull the carpet off the floor.
How does Miele compare to Vax? I'm interested in the Vax Ultra Pro Powerhead Barrel Vacuum Cleaner as it has a power head on it that is good for getting long hair out of the carpet (I live with a lot of girls - hair everywhere) and vacuums without a power head just don't seem to pull the hair out of the carpet.
How do you clean the power head?
You can buy the Xiaomi robot vacuum with built-in powerhead. I have this and the Miele Complete C3 Allergy, however this can be one of the best decisions as I just press the button on the smart phone and it will do the cleaning. Now I "do" vacuumming weekly, without sweating one bit.
Intend to use it for vacuuming the incredible amount of dog fur out of my car once a week.
I've borrowed a friend's Dyson animal previously and noticed that the fur tool wasn't effective at removing Husky fur which tends to weave itself into carpets.
Is it worth the extra 100 bucks to get the C3 cat and dog (which has the turbo head)?
If you have a dog/cat it would be, otherwise the standard head is fine.
It's almost like the clue is in the name…
Sorry was a unclear, I was concerned that:
Ended up getting the Miele C3 Allergy from TGG + a Miele mini turbo brush from eBay. Apparently the mini brush is intended for small spaces like cars :)
@lasertip: if you're doing large carpeted areas, the regular turbo head is definitely going to make it easier.
@Munki: Just using it for my poor Husky fur-filled car. We already have a Xiaomi for regular cleans and a built in vacuum system for heavy duty house cleaning.
not directly related to this thread but I also found VAX Pet Pro a very good product in terms of bang for buck and performance at 2400W, esp with turbo head and other crevice tools.
I personally over the years, notice Hoover products to be long lasting sucking machines. Let’s all throw in our few cents worth.
Ongoing costs is my negative. Our 12yr old Dyson has cost us $50 ( 1 replacement hose ) to operate in a house with 2 kids, 2 cats & a dog. Pretty sure that would be about 1 year, maybe 2 yrs of bags.
Worth it if you ask me. That's replacing a bag 3 times a year, as opposed to how many times will you have emptied the Dyson in one year?
There are some things I cheap out on, but convenience isn't one of them.
Not to mention how easy and clean it is to replace the bag. Seriously. Once you go Miele bag, you won't go back…to bagless.
Just not sold on a bag unit. The cost of the bags, plus a filter witch below comment says once a year…. I take my canister out side & empty it directly into a plastic bag. One handed operation takes me 1 minute & costs noting. My filters are also washable.
@wiz187: I used to think just like you until I switched to the other side. I have no regrets and wish I started with bags to begin with. The added cost is worth it.
The dust you're emptying is fine dust. It spreads easily. And gets caught on the lid. Some of it will stick the outside of the cannister and need wiping.
Also if you bought some allergy model like I did, I'm not sure what was the point. When you empty it, you're exposed to those allergens again.
can confirm this item sucks
Miele offer the best value vacuums in the industry, period. Why people buy any other brand, including Dyson, is beyond me. Of course, if you want to go the robotic route (which is no good for cleaning cars or items above the ground such as bench tops requiring a brush attachment), Xiaomi is the way to go.
I have the cat and dog version and it is brilliant but I'm not convinced this is that great a deal as it doesnt seem to come with the turbo head
It filters much finer particles than the dog and cat which is very important to allergy sufferers such as myself.
The HEPA filter lasts about a year for anyone who is interested.
Is this any good on hard floors?
Yes. Hard floors is the only time I use the tool it comes with. I set it to max. For carpets I use the turbo head. Not that the standard one is no good, but the turbo is just so much better.
I have a hard floor head which is awesome. Works much better than the one designed for carpet.
Got one. Thanks OP!
Make sure you're on a circuit with enough power supply. Some of the circuits I can't use because it will blow a fuse and I have to go to the switchboard. Other circuits I can use, but if I have a kettle, nespresso or microwave on at the same time, it will blow a fuse.
Great vac otherwise but draws a lot of power.
I also recommend paying extra for the turbo head. It's very good.