Sleepless. Help

Been waking up most mornings 2, 3,4am. Sleeping from say 10.30pm so only getting 4-5 hours sleep.

Problem is I can't get back to sleep. Partner snores. Out in the living room on couch the fridge or clock makes noise and too much light gets in. Need to wake up at 6 for work. It's like when I use to wake when I had little ones. Bit over it. Feel it's starting to affect my day to day mood.

Thoughts ideas appreciated.

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    • How much alcohol do you have each week ???

  • Went to bed at 8.30. Woke up briefly probably at 2am. Just had quick glance at clock and tried to go back to sleep which I did after only a few minutes. Woke up at 4.45am. Im ok with that.

    Having said that still feel tied now. Yawning a bit. So dont know if Ive actually had a good night's sleep. At least it was a good block.

  • +1

    Will try tonight.
    Try sleeping a bit later 9.30.
    Hot shower before bed.
    Continue with the previous ideas from last night.

    Thanks everyone that put something forward. Hope it helps others as well to try these remedies.

    • +1

      Congratulations on your progress, any change in long term behaviour and habits takes time.

      • +1

        Will try the tonic, although hesitant about the likely taste. At this stage trying anything. Still only 1 night so hoping for the same tonight.

        • Won't guarantee it works, but my friends found it helpful, though might not want to have it in combination with that milk drink.

          Also remember trying to consciously do too many things before sleep may actually do the reverse, aside from straight medication/physical knock-out.

          Just remember to relax, particularly if your brain becomes super active, let it wonder freely, trying to consciously suppress makes it worse from what I've experienced.

  • +2

    Headspace app has getting to sleep, getting back to sleep, sleep sounds, and a pack to manage sleep/unwinding.

    I also listen to boring radio programs very low volume (the BBC seems to work a treat because of the accents).

    Good luck.

    • +2

      Love Headspace! Smiling Mind is another in that vein.

  • +3

    You described a method which produced success but you did a few things as part of that method ie. Exercise, hot shower and snack.

    Try isolating your success rather than throw more variables in. You can isolate logically too. The snacking is potentially unhealthy, so I'd get rid of that and only reintroduce it if you consistently fail to get good sleep.

    The hot shower isn't going to be always available nor comfortable in certain seasons or climates. It's not a useful habit to reinforce sleep.

    Exercise. Something that's always viable to do. I'm no sleep expert but I sleep well when I am tired. Make the most of your day, cram in as much activity and tire yourself out. You would have achieved more and lived more even if it didn't fix your sleep.

  • +2

    Use valerian root 2000mg, can get it blackmores etc. Not addictive and does not leave you drowsy in the morning. Reduces "racing thoughts" and calms your mind down. I didn't believe it till I had insomnia for 3 weeks, then tried it. Fixed it in 2 days

    In regards to sleep sounds, Don't look for something that spikes up and down like someones voice. That tends to draw your mind to it as you latch on to a specific noise. You need white noise which your mind cannot grab on to. I used rain noise

  • Diffuse lavender and cedarwood before sleeping. Works like a dream for me.

  • Couple of stiff vodkas should do the trick.

  • +3

    I don't know much of this has come up already, but it would be good to go through your sleeping patterns in depth.

    1)good to think about a sleep diary to isolate where you're having problems with sleep. From what I gather, you have some issues with sleep maintenance (wake up and can't get back to sleep). how about sleep onset? (time it takes to fall asleep). How many hours do you lie in bed trying to sleep, but not actually sleeping? giving a rough estimate of these can help you work out your sleep efficiency as well. Are you spending more time lying in bed thinking about things, worrying about not sleeping, then actually sleeping? a health sleep efficiency is ~85% from memory.

    For example, if you go to bed at 8:00, lie awake in bed until 10:00, wake up at 2:00 am, and lie in bed until 5:00 am at which point you get out of bed, your sleep efficiency is 4/9 = 44%. That means the time spent in your bed asleep is only 44%. It's understandable that your brain gets trained to think that the bed is no longer a place to sleep, but a place to lie down and think about things.

    So sleep restriction, (ie going to bed later and later until you sleep throughout the night) to train your brain to get used to sleeping in your bed again is a good strategy. Sounds like you've started with that

    2)
    "Sleep hygeine" is also a very important thing to work on. What this involves is improving on anything that will help sleep and reduce anything that will prevent you from sleeping. A lot of good suggestions already.
    Cutting down caffeine, alcohol, smoking, especially at night. relaxation techniques in the evening. reducing screen time. healthy exercise (but not 3-4 hours before bed time).
    Other important things are not clock watching. the more you check the time at night, the more frustrated you get. The more frustrated you get, the harder it will be to fall asleep. If you can't successfully fall asleep within 20 min of being in bed, it's recommended to get out of bed, do something boring in the lounge until you feel tired and try again. This is to help preverse your sleep efficiency and keep the bedroom as a place for sleep (and intercourse) only. Which brings me to the last point about sleep hygeine. Make sure your bedroom is only for sleep (and intercourse). No TV, no work desk, no games, etc.

    If all else fails and you have trouble shutting off, often a sleep psychologist can help deliver psychotherapy to help you sleep.worth seeing your GP if you're struggling

  • Cyproheptadine for short courses, same with doxylamine succinate. Agomelatine if you need something hefty (pretty mundane for a prescription medication though). Mirtazapine in small doses if you really really need to get back to a consistent sleep routine (also prescription). Belsomra (look it up). Efficacy in ascending order here.

    Earplugs help a lot, work for me, the best dB blocking ones you can come across (usually 32dB) easily.

    I wrap a t-shirt around my head at night because nothing works better than anything you can buy to cover your eyes well IME.

    The biggest thing that has helped me without medication is reading in bed until I can't keep my eyes open.

  • +8

    rigorous sexual activity before bed

    • Star fishing doesn't work? Damn!

  • get your partner to give you a foot massage.
    the hard part is finding a partner to give you one daily.

    sauce: tried it myself

    • +2

      what flavour sauce?

      • +2

        Sounds a bit saucey

        • +2

          They need to ketch-up on their foot massages!

    • +3

      you find a new partner daily?

  • +1

    not sure if these have been mentioned, but a combination of both really aid my sleep levels.

    1. read a book in bed, it will calm you, clear the mind and you will pass out comfortably.

    2. Do you lift weights? Honestly, don't need to be a gym junkie, but a simple combination of bench press, squats, dead lift, abs work and some walking/cross trainer will make you sleep through an earthquake. Lift heavy, 45 mins in gym per day = sleep

    3. if tried both above, ear plugs?

  • Chamomile tea

    • Chocolate Camomile?

      Edit: Oh chamomile is also correct. I stand self corrected.

  • +1

    420

    • It's 10:23pm here. Where are you from?

  • +1

    Time to try magnesium. :)

    • with added vitamin d and taurine.

      • I thought taurine was stimulatory?

        • +1

          Taurine is definitely a central nervous system depressant. It has a calming, anti- anxiety effect on the brain as why its helps with sleep. It is often added to energy drinks to reduce the jitters after high doses of caffeine. Its a natural amino acid that is produced in the body so is safe and magnesium needs taurine to be used in the body as why some supplements contain both magnesium and taurine.

        • @shiningstars:

          My mistake, I think I was confusing it with tyrosine.

          I used to have some magnesium taurate, for the reasons you mention, but found it less effective than magnesium oxide which supposedly isn't absorbed too well.

  • ASMR can help some people get to sleep easier but it also has a really weird side.

  • Regardless of what you do, do not take Z-drugs. I was on zolpidem and zopiclone for quite a while and you get addicted to the drug very rapidly — often as quickly as 4-5 uses before you start to rely heavily on it to fall asleep. You also feel terrible the next morning and the effects may linger until noon.

    It took me 3 to 4 weeks of restless nights to go cold turkey and my doctor instead started prescribing Diazepam (Temazepam) (part of the benzodiazepine family). This type of drug is far less addictive (but it's also far less effective). However, I only use it for days where i'm desperate to have some sleep, so a box of 20 doses usually lasts me around 3 months or longer.

    However, it's mostly your sleeping routine, hygiene and habits that really affect your quality of sleep, so consider sleeping in your private quarters if you have one rather than put up with someone else snoring.

    you can buy Melatonin pills from iHerb — they are not available over the counter in Australia (they are instead prescribed by doctors as Circadin), but you can import them from overseas.

    • I use zopiclone from time to time and wouldn't be without it in my medicine cabinet, but you are right in that you don't want to be taking it more than a few nights in a row. I've never tried benzos but I thought they were highly addictive as well.

      • If you have them everyday you will become addicted, I am allowed 4 a week.

    • Z-drugs are good to organise the sleep, when you use continuously for some weeks, and for occasional use.
      Melatonin doesn't work for everyone.
      Benzodiazepines are not the best option for sleep because they are not specific. Temazepam and Diazepam are from the same family, but different drugs; or you had Diazepam prescribed, or you had Temazepam prescribed. Benzodiazepines are more addictive than zolpidem or zopiclone.
      Having said that, drug-induced sleep is never as good as physiological sleep, the reason why sleep drugs are not recommended for long-term sleep maintenance. Patient profile, side-effects and interactions should always be taken into consideration.

  • Sleep separately if you can.

    We don't tend to co-sleep as kids unless space issues force shared rooms. There is no reason why you need to as an adult if its meaning you can't get the sleep you physically need :O

  • I'd suggest an app called A Soft Murmur. Great for relaxing sounds. I've got some speakers on either side of the bed and put sounds on for an hour.

    Might help you a little bit.

  • I had to share a hotel room (thankfully separate beds) recently with a loud snorer. I was able to survive it for the most part with:

    • ear plugs (I cut them so they don't stick out of my ears when wearing them)
    • Bauhn noise cancelling headphones.
    • white noise app on my phone (there may also be tracks uploaded to Youtube that can be played).

    Not a long-term solution as the headphones mean you can't sleep on your side.

  • Breathing exercise maybe? e.g. 4-7-8

  • Have you tried snacking when u wake up

  • Good Ear plugs - swear by the hearos brand on iherb - original
    Melatonin
    Sleep mask
    Complete black out blinds
    No screens 2 hours before bed
    Daily Meditation
    Daily Exercise

  • It's caused by daylight saving, a form jetlag that effects you for weeks after the change.

    Google the statistics for car and workplace accidents that rise during this period.

    • You forgot suicide rates.

      • You forgot WiFi danger.

        • Hmm ok no wonder my WiFi has been playing up lately. Actually right after the change so you might be onto something there!

  • Take 40 mins to watch this video. Very good information on sleep. Pitched at athlete performance but applicable to all. https://youtu.be/U1WM-IQZKdA

  • Hi OP,

    I can sympathise with your situation. It is not easy!

    I disagree with sleeping apart but I don't want to get into the reasons.

    Some of these ideas have been suggested already:

    1. No screen time 2 hours before bed
    2. Mindfulness exercises, even for 3-5 minutes
    3. Keep a diary of daily happenings and future events
    4. Daily exercise, very good for health in long-term too

    Something that I'm surprised isn't mentioned already:

    Try a chin strap! There are many types available, I won't link any, it may be seen as advertising.

    See it from a perspective of improving the person's health, too. Chin straps allow better breathing, which increases more oxygen intake, and it has a great number of benefits.

  • +1

    OP I can totally sympathise. Great to hear you got a good night’s sleep last night. I’ve had an episode of chronic early morning waking triggered by stress (work and relationship) that could not be alleviated by good “sleep hygiene”. I required medication, along with lots of exercise and talking with a therapist. And ultimately a change in job and ending the relationship.

    Hopefully this is an extreme example, but I implore anyone who experiences these symptoms for more than a couple of weeks (in the absence of any physical health issues) to seek professional help, starting with a good GP.

  • +1

    change your partner

  • 100% recommend melatonin. get it from iHerb. I started with 3mg.
    If you like reading, I find that popping a 3mg regular melatonin pill + a time release pill then reading for 15 min (normal book or kindle) will give me a great sleep.
    As mentioned, avoid screens!!!!

    • Do you wake up groggy?

      • +1

        Occasionally yeah.
        I think it depends on how long I actually allow myself to sleep though.

  • -1

    hi mate. i made an account just to share my solution. i was in the same boat- broken sleep- always waking up in the middle of the night, awful pattern, waing up drowsy etc.
    i switched to a zero carb diet and within a week my sleeping patterns all good again. my sleeps are deep, unbroken and super restful. i have so much more energy now too. it might be a drastic measure, but it's sleep man, it's very important. just read up on the keto diet, zero-carb diet, mikaila peterson etc. and you'll see what good it does.

    • +1

      A keto diet had the opposite effect on me, no energy and insomnia. Just goes to show we're all different.

  • Hi There

    I have spent sometime looking into this because I tend to sleep sometimes late’sh (10pm and later ) and the awaken within 3hours ! Same problem !

    A few years back I picked up the binaural (need headphones )/ isocheonic (don’t need headphones ) beats rave. My basic understanding is that by listening to these manipulated Frequencies ( R and and L ear ) your brain will mimic the difference in frequencies and simulate either Alpha ,beta ,they have or delta wave etc.

    Thus to get back to sleep I have been using a few power naps ones which start off from alpha /beta stage then drop to theta and delta sleepwaves stages where you can have a deep relaxing sleep and awake refreshed as if you had a fitful sleep all night .

    The one that works like magic for me is https://youtu.be/trhpnelrQ64 the 30min power nap or the similar one which is shorter at 20min - no headphones but in yr case you probably will need headphones…

    Never fails . Yesterday awoke at 2am , had a 7am appointment . Listless and tired by 4.30am so went for the 30min Powernap at 4.45am , up before 6 am - fully refreshed and ready before 7am for my appointment .

    Nothing to lose by checking it out…

  • Traditional acupuncture might help.

    Couple friends have sleeping issue from over stress and it worked for them. But can be pricy thou.

  • I used to have a similar problem, waking in a really anxious state, hot and hypersensitived to noise and light. I found short acting benzodiazepines (like Serapax/Oxazepam) to be the best at subdueing by terminal insomnia with a minimum of sideFX. There are at least 40 medications available in AU which are sedating, but most of them are active for ~24 hours, which is far too long if you want to suppress insomnia. Stillnox (Zolpidem) is easier to obtain a prescription for than benzodiazepines, and it is similar in it's mechanism of action.

    If using earplugs regularly, make sure you clean them after every use, and be aware that you are more likely to get outer ear infections.

  • Melatonin works pretty well, I definitely recommend it over restavit

  • Thanks again posters. Could be the dam daylight savings, but suspect started before the time change. Started a sleep and lifestyle record, so I can keep track of my progress to move forward.

  • +2

    Sleep is underrated. It is the most important thing you can do for yourself. The body repairs itself the brain cleanses itself and a lot of anabolic processes occur during nap time. If interrupted can lead to health issues. Please read or listen to Sleep Smarter by Shawn Stevenson. It will change your life. It focuses on fixing the underlying issues than treating symptoms with sleep aids.

  • +1

    I've got a partner that snores, twitches all night like a shrimp and noisy kids. Separate room, ear plugs and ear defenders when needed.

    Been using ear plugs for 10 years, never had an ear infection.

    Sleep is very important, especially if you work. So if a few social norms have to be broken, so be it, ignore those that judge.

    We have dogs who will alert us to any strange noises, way before we would notice, even if we were awake.

  • The problem is not you. It is your partner, clock, light and fridge.

    Solution: Divorce, Digital clock, 100% block out blinds, new fridge

  • +1

    As someone who has spent probably 40% of her sleeping married life on a sofa to escape her husbands snoring. I can tell you what I have learnt.

    • Going to sleep before the snorer - number one tip, if they fall asleep before you, then your entire night is doomed, go to the sofa as soon as they start snorning
    • Take the battery out of the clock in the loungeroom, if it is really bad, replace clock to one that doesn't tick (ie. do not buy from target, they are bad for ticking, reject store ones are ok).
    • find a tv show to turn on the tv in the loungeroom that you have a sleep association with - for me this is fish documentaries and antiques roadshow. Turn on the volume super low so you have to strain your ears to hear it - this will make you fall asleep. The slight noise of the tv will drown out other amblient noises from the house (fridge etc)
    • Yes my husband has a sleep apnoea machine, he refuses to use it, so that isn't an answer for everyone.
    • One of my children recently had to move out for interstate employment, so now I can sleep in her room too if I want - I often prefer the sofa though as I am so used to it
    • I've broken 6 pairs of noise cancelling headphones, wearing them sleeping
    • Foam earbuds are useless and cause your ears to hurt inside
    • holidays when you are stuck in a hotel room/cruise cabin with them are the worst. There is no escape then.
    • Fix the lighting situation in the lounge room - this doesn't worry me as I go for a walk early so I am up before it is light

    Goodluck, I'm way way past caring about this as a problem, I only get annoyed on holidays when I can't escape

  • +1

    I feel you mate. Recently went from 9-5 office work to shift work, start and finish times can vary +-2 hours or so rotating between day and arvo shift every week.

    4-5 hours sleep at the moment is like a luxury, even on days off.

    Reading a book before bed, sleepytime tea, mindfulness meditation, having the radio on low have helped me a little bit. Still wake up a lot and occasionally can't get back to sleep after about 3-4 hours.

    • I've been in a similar situation, and I have a solution which may work for you depending on what the earliest start time, and latest end time is.

      Simply, always wake up to allow yourself enough time to get to your early shift, even if you have the afternoon shift. Then go to sleep at #{wakeup_time} - 8 hours.

      If you can do this, you'll always get 8 hours of sleep, and you'll either have spare time in the morning, or in the early evening.

  • +1

    Not sure why noone's mentioned this:

    Grab a pen and paper and jot down your schedule. From there you can separate 9-7 hours which are ideal times to sleep on each day.

    Now that you know, for instance, you need to hit the hay at 11pm… do some exercise 1hour beforehand. Not weights, moreso cardio. So if you do some burpies for 30mins, followed by a cooldown and a brisk shower, your body should be in a state of wanting rest.

    And psychologically, the little annoyances of lights, sounds, smells will disappear as your body shuts those out and focuses on resting. Works very well.

    And you will wake up the next day with more energy, and clean. A side bonus is that your health profile will go way up. The key is consistency. Try to do it 5-7 days a week.

    And don't thank me, thank yourself for the physical effort you put in, and reap the rewards.

  • Melatonin from iHerb. 5mg, chewable tablet just before bed.

  • I have some IEM headphones that are tiny and comfortable. Always wear them with some Comply tips and have a deep sleep playlist on. Out like a light.

    Hope you find something that works.

  • Surprised no ones mentioned a sleeping app such as sleeptracker, they can give you a ballpark view of your sleeping habits, how much REM you are getting and if you might be snoring or have sleep apnea. I would avoid sleeping meds because they are addictive and then you will have two problems to deal with.

    Drinking alcohol before bed often lead to early waking, so I'd stop drinking a few hours before bed and get some water through you before hitting the hay.

    A friend of mine had major insomnia issues and decided to teach himself how to sleep. He claims its a mental skill you have to practice. He can fall asleep at work in a crowded office during a lunch break, noisy and well lit.

    • +1

      If I may ask, how did he teach himself? Did he read a book or was it some kind of technique he conjured up?

  • I haven't read all the replies but:
    1. If your partner snores, he has a medical problem, not you. Your partner should see a specialist not only because that is disruptive for you but also because his/her sleep quality is probably terrible, and that causes a lot of health issues.
    2. Sleep hygiene (no noise, lights, people moving, caffeine, too much food, alcohol, etc.). No television or very stimulating things before bedtime. For computer and mobile, you can install one of that apps to reduce blue light if your phone doesn't have this option. Not very evidence-based but some people find it useful and report improvements.
    2. Consider ear plugs (3M soft ones and not something that hurts)
    3. Consider different bedrooms
    4. White noise might be effective but it is likely to affect your sleep in some level. You can use headphones or speakers but that has limited effect.

    People usually minimise the importance of good sleep and the consequences of sleep deprivation. I cannot say how important it is to have good sleep, for concentration, mood, repair, and everything else.

    Finally, your partner's snore certainly affects your relationship in many other ways that you cannot even see. Nothing you can do will be as effective as your partner's treatment. The fact you are sharing your experience here shows that this a big issue, which it is, and I'd recommend your partner gets help ASAP.

    • Any ideas on how I should approach my partner about the snoring. It would offend them and take it the wrong way.

      • Video it next time you hear it. I snore but my wife eventually got used to it. I try to sleep on my side and avoid alcohol and large dinners

      • +1

        That depends on the relationship that you have. That shouldn't offend someone, but I understand why it might.
        He/she probably know about the snore, so you can start the approach saying that he/she has to see a doctor because his/her quality of sleep is compromised (instead of saying that this is for you).
        Then, you can say that his/her snore is really being an issue because you cannot sleep, and you are having sleep deprivation because of that.

        My experience: my partner didn't snore but started snoring after some years, particularly when drinking alcohol, eating too much, or not using enough clothes to stay warm. We had a spare bedroom, so I started leaving the bedroom in the middle of the night when the snore was a problem. Next day: -Why did you leave? - Because you were snoring and I couldn't sleep like that.
        After some time, I started sleeping in the spare bedroom since the beginning, for the same reason.
        Sleeping in different bedrooms (actually, the snoring) negatively affected the intimate relationship but I cannot see how that is my fault. I tried the methods I described but they had limited effect. My partner started to give more attention to sleep hygiene and saw a doctor. He had a sleep test days ago, we still don't have the results but I suspect my partner hasn't snored during the test. We couldn't find any specific reason for the snore; sometimes there is no alcohol or one of the known causes involved, and at times there is no snore even with alcohol and other factors.
        Meanwhile, we sometimes start sleeping together but if the snoring is a problem, my partner has to move to the spare bedroom. Now it is pretty clear that it is not my problem as I sleep pretty well if the environment is appropriate.
        Sleep deprivation for me is something extremely important. I wake up wasted and have poor performance if I don't have good sleep. That's true for the general population, but most people minimise the impact of poor sleep.
        I tried to contact you by private message but I think you haven't activated that.
        In summary, the best way is being honest and open about that.
        As a lot of people snore, it seems that the problem is with the person who cannot sleep with someone snoring. That's ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. Snore is a big issue, causes a lot of health problems and reduces life expectancy.
        This is the first result on Google:
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/6046675/Heavy-s…

  • As I work through my sleeping pattern and these sleeping tips. Hopefully in a short time I will update the original post with ideas that worked so others can gain from all the posts rather than run through the many posts. I have read them all so far.

  • +2

    You might be stressed out, that's another factor that's making it difficult to sleep. All the things you listed before should help immensely to clear out your head. I can't tell you stop stressing out about it because you should be lmao, but do your best to not think about it doing the day. Also make sure you use the blue light filter on all your devices. Set it up to automatically be on from sunset to sunrise or whatever times you like. But books is a much better option for doing before sleeping. I don't read much anymore but when i used to that was a really effective way to sleep.

  • +2

    I could never have a good sleep when my partner was in the same bed, so I got rid of her. Now I always have the perfect sleep.

    • There's probably a lot of other advantages to that too

  • Ear plugs - https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/756905/mac…
    Healthy eating, exercise, camomile tea/honey before bed?? And get blockout curtains from Spotlight

    • +1

      Using these plugs, but seem to pop out alot.

      • Oh really? I haven't used these exact ones. I use the Mack's brown ones, which are these - https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/720328/mac… My Mum had a problem putting them in too. There's a trick to putting them in, you squeeze them in your fingers so they're all thin except the flat end so you don't poke them in too far and then insert them. Remember to only poke them in so the flat part is flush with the outside of your ear, not too far in. Then it should be super quiet. I don't use it for a snorer though, just to drown out all the other noise so I get a good night sleep. Hope this is why they're popping out. Maybe try squeezing them smaller and then inserting them. Good luck with it. Let me know how it goes :)

  • Masturbate and go straight to sleep after. This method may work better on men

    • Haha, partner may also object/get offended.

      • +1

        If you have a partner, it's her job.

  • Try the Nature's Own Complete Sleep Advanced. It really helps to sleep through the night.

    Also, play relaxing music through the night. Hope it helps!

  • +1

    underlying stress = mind is occupied = never really shuts down = never really sleep

    need to fix these "hidden" not so obvious issues, rather than just popping a pill etc

    1. Beeswax earplugs the only ones that fit me and stay in, not cheap but best highest rated possible blocks everything- search on ebay seller aussieearplugs68

    2. Combination of melatonin, Valerian root and 5000u Vitamin D supplement. All proven to help sleep. Dont buy aussie melatonin though not real thing buy cheap bottles of each from iherb.com

    3. Profit

    • 1) haha

      These Ear Plugs are Perfect to BLOCK NOISE from the following:

      · SNORING
      · SWIMMING
      · TRAVEL
      · MUSICIANS
      · SLEEPING
      · MOTORCYCLES
      · INDUSTRY
      · SHOOTING
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  • Suggestions for both problems:

    Partner snoring - sleep in a different room

    General sleeplessness - start exercising regularly.

    Works for me.

  • +1

    This works for me:

    1. Android app 'White Noise Lite' by TMSOFT. The brown noise setting works best for me, but you should experiment. It may take some time to get accustomed to this and to fine-tune the volume to best suit you - don't give up after just a couple of days. Pipe it out to some external speakers and maybe point them upwards so noise distribution is even over your body (otherwise you might automatically turn away from it). Strap them to the end of your bed pointing up perhaps.

    2. Combine noise generator with some earplugs. Most are useless. The best ones are these: http://www.kbmedicalsales.com.au/ear-plugs/103-camphor-block…. Not all Chemists will stock them (Chemist Warehouse used to, but no longer). Forget about the rest. These are very malleable and will retain their stickiness provided you don't fold it over itself. I split each piece into two, but try them whole to start as instructed on the pack.

    3. Have an alarm clock that will gradually increase volume so that you eventually wake up with all this background noise and earplugs. I use Android app 'Alarm Clock Xtreme - Free' by AVG Labs, and use it to trigger certain music.

    This set-up will eliminate impacts of transient noise (door closing, dogs barking, etc), limit the actual noise reaching your ears (earplugs), and ensure you wake up on time (escalating alarm).

  • +2

    Part of your issue is exacerbated by your mindset. If you focus too much on the problem and notice every time you feel a bit more tired and have a mindset of its unfix able then you will make the issue even larger than it already is.

    Try to work on small fixes and improvements, I am sadly dozing a bit as I type this. Good luck

    • Strangely enough, I have fallen into this trap and can't get myself out it. The mind and body is so tired that I am always thinking about sleep, which in turn makes me anxious about sleep and prevents me from sleeping. It's a really vicious cycle that's hard to break out of.

  • Get partner tested for apneoa and maybe get them a CPAP machine (Philips Dreamstation and Philips Dreamwear mask is what I use).

    Try turning a fan on to generate some white noise and drown out the other sounds. Having a fan blow on my face helps to make my eyes tired too.

  • Phenibut - if you can still find it. Those darn kids ruined it for everyone.

  • Diazepam (Valium). It works for me and apart from vivid dreams has no noticeable side effects.

    • …and apart from vivid dreams has no noticeable side effects.

      Apart of course from it being addictive and leading to rebound once you try and get off it…

  • This is a bit of a tangent from OP's issue, but the reason i bring it up is because often people who have trouble sleeping look to excess noise / noise reduction and this has been an idea i have been thinking about for a while

    Does anyone feel like sleeping with noise is a skill that can be worked on? My experience is that growing up, I shared a room with my brother during which most nights would involve him playing CoD without headphones. These days, I can still get to sleep easily and sometimes deliberately with noise. I feel like practising this gives me flexibility in not being constrained by noise. However I will admit, my sleep is poorer when there is noise throughout the night (not that i wake up throughout, but am more tired on waking)

    What do people think, is this an inherent quality that just varies person to person, or could this be a skill, perhaps similar to meditation from a focus / ignoring external things point of view

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