[FIRST EDIT] My DELL XPS 15 (9560) Experience - Looking for Advice (Legal or Otherwise)

Original post below. Been busy with some final Semester One assignments, so, sorry about the late replies… Currently waiting on Dell to pick up the second and third laptops, which is taking longer than it should. I've arranged to send back the first laptop once I have bought something else.

I recently bought a Dell XPS Laptop. It was a 15", 16GB RAM, 512 SSD. I was looking for a contender to the Apple MacBook Pro that was much cheaper as I'm a student and have a set budget. I did a lot of research and although I saw and read some mixed reviews, I decided to get one.

It arrived and looked great. I was really happy with the build quality, it felt solid and well-made. I didn't mind that I couldn't open it with one hand as I felt that it was a sign of it's sturdiness.

Another thing to mention is that I was given a date re/ delivery (it was a Wednesday). I called and asked if it would be delivered directly to my house or if I should go to the Post Office and they assured me it would come to my house. I had an assignment due and my old computer died a few days earlier. I needed every second I could get to work on my essay. Lo and behold, it went to the Post Office at 4:38pm and I was waiting at home until 5pm, like they advised, for nothing and lost a day of being able to work. Ridiculous! Finally, the next day, I picked it up and hurried my essay.

I started using it and before a day or two it started having some glitches. First, there were strange green pixelations on the video, then the web pages would zoom right in without me even doing anything. Then the volume starting intermittently muting out of the blue. I tried refreshing, that didn't work, then I had to reload the entire browser which did bring the volume back. I also had some white residue appear out of nowhere (after closing and opening it - and I take exceptional care of my belongings) near the hinge. On top of that, the fingerprint reader wasn't working sometimes. I was so disappointed because I loved the feel of it. If only it just worked!

I contacted Dell support and they seemed good at first. They remotely accessed my laptop and updated a heap of drivers. The problems persisted.

I contacted them a further time and once again they remotely updated the drivers (and whatever else they did) and the problems persisted.

By now, I also had to deal with one or two incompetent representatives, one which was so bad, I made a complaint. I was later offered an apology by the reviewing Supervisor who listened to the bizarre behaviour of the rep via recording.

I sent them screenshots of all the problems and they continued monitoring my laptop (not exactly what you want when using a private computer!).

I decided they had tried enough times to fix it so I requested a replacement. However, since their replacement procedure required a gap of me not having a computer for school, I was essentially forced to buy a second laptop. Importantly, this was becoming a distraction for my studies, too, and causing me to pay double until the problems were resolved affecting my savings and banking interest.

SO! The second laptop arrived, supposedly brand new. Expecting to finally have a working laptop, I opened the box and found a laptop with an unravelled cord, a bent, yes bent screen (at least 8mm at the centre) and a dirty touchpad! What the hell?!

I put it straight back in the box! I contacted Dell, and staying calm, explained the situation, giving them the benefit of the doubt, even though the second laptop was clearly used! So, here I was with two laptops, one with major software issues, the other with faulty, dirty hardware. They offered a replacement, as well as a delay on returning the first one which I could still use (putting up with the software issues in the meantime), until the third laptop would arrive when finally they would get it right! My love for the Dell XPS design was quickly wearing thin by now.

Finally, nearly two months after my initial purchase, the third floptop arrived. The Star Track courier was meant to deliver it to my door which is untrue as I was home all day. Yet again, I had to wait until the next day to see what I would get. Well, again, the screen didn't sit flush (this time "splitting" into a three or four millimetre gap as it went from left to right (while closed) and surprise, surprise, the same green glitches! The cord was fine but the battery was nearly dead which I thought was odd considering the other two were fully charged. There were also a couple of blemishes on the outer top panel which were permanent. I decided to use it for the night but the next day, I thought, no way! Enough!

By now, I was at my wit's end. I'd been patient and courteous and I let them know, firmly, how upset I was that they could do this. Yet, I was caught in a dilemma. Even though they offered a full refund on both purchases, I would still be forced to deal with a gap of not having a computer for school which was NOT AN OPTION. I was confused as to what to do, notwithstanding the exhaustion I was going through from school. So, based on the cost compared to the Apple quotes I received, I didn't have much choice but to request (rightfully) a replacement again in the slim hope they would get it right for once! I had pretty much assumed by now they were sending me the final dregs of the XPS 15. Units which were potentially refurbs. But not even bothering to check and clean a touchpad? Disgraceful.

Well, they refused to send a replacement. I just wanted what I paid for but they made me feel like it was somehow my fault I was receiving these floptops! They said they had already sent two repalcements and that was enough but they failed to consider I actually made two separate purchases, so technically, one replacement was delivered!

It's such a shame because I actually love the look and feel of the XPS, and the 4K screen is superb. What a buzzkill!

I've since received a great quote (better then UniDays) and I'm about to buy an iMac but it won't have the portability of a laptop which I need. I don't know what to do.

Does anyone have any advice, please?! I'll be ignoring inane comments.

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Let this be a warning to anyone considering buying a Dell XPS 9560. And as far as I can tell, the 8th gen models are practically identical. If Dell managed to resolve this properly, I will galdly edit this forum post but I'd like to know if I deserve to be compensated somehow by them for the trouble and stress and distraction they've caused me. On top of everything else, they are now forcing me to delay rolling over my Term Deposit, which I add funds to every year,which is costing me more interest!

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  • I also have a dell xps 15 9560, but the slightly older version (same exterior, just with older CPU and GPU)
    My experience has been great with it over the last 2 years plus I've had. I did accidentally break the screen after about 6 months of owning it (completely my fault), but Dell sent a repair technician to fix it for me free of charge. I guess there is a good and bad side to most companies.

    • Glad your experience was better. It's funny, I read a bad review and think, no way, no more XPS, then I read a good one and think, hmmm, maybe another one will be a good one. Lol.

  • +1

    Based on my experience with Dell and Apple:

    • For any new product purchased, if there is any issue, return and request a full refund. If Dell refused to pay for the return postage, pay for it and get that full refund of the original amount.
    • You might think Apple's refurbished items are good quality (and look new) but they are still refurbished. I've heard bad experience with them (phone expanded after 11 months - battery kinda exploded, another replacement phone with speaker issue). My replacement from Apple had the latest iOS - but it was so slow on the 2 year old model (it became frustrating to use).
    • Apple products are made with parts from other manufacturers and generally assembled by FoxConn. I have had 3 consecutive brand new iPads with dead pixels (LG or Japan Display made the LCD panels) - I requested refund on all 3, after the 3rd one I got fed up and decided not to purchase that model of iPad ever.
    • Dell refurbished products, the ones I had (company bought refurbished on purpose to save cost), I can clearly they are refurbished (cosmetic issues and physical issue).
    • Macbook Pros are Donglebooks nowadays (I have one; I cannot believe buying a Macbook nowadays means you need to get a bunch of dongles and no more MagSafe).

    Bottom line: for new item with issue within first 14 days from big companies, return it and get the full refund. I know people have good experience with refurbished products, but I didn't.

    • Appreciate the advice. I spent way less on my car than either of these darn computers. At least I got lucky there. Bought a sweet Bora from a friend for a song.

      • iMac - watch out for 1TB hard drive or fusion drive model. If you decided to get one of those with hard drive instead of SSD, remember to backup your key files. I recently tried to help a family friend recovery files on a failed iMac hard drive (no luck and HDD recovery people quoted $1200-$1500, one of them did mention due to the design of iMac, the hard drive does operate on a high temperature).

        My experience on SSDs are also mixed. Warranty on SSDs tend to be good (got brand new replacement - a better model from Samsung, full refund from OCZ), but I did lose some files.

        Dell laptops, try to return them and get full refund (earlier the better, to avoid them using the 14 day excuse). Perhaps talk to the sales or accounts department instead of support. A bit surprised you had so many issues with XPS. My colleague raved about his personal XPS laptop with 4K display (saying it is way better than the Macbook Pro 15 inch work provided).

        • The quote I received for the iMac is for a 512gb SSD, appreciate the advice. Yes, it seems like a case of bad luck with the first unit I bought but the second purchase and replacement were clearly used. It's fairly safe to say Dell knowingly sent me used laptops which is appalling and has more to do with shoddy business practices than bad luck. Sigh.

  • -1

    Another vote for Apple. Picked up a late 2013 model last year and it runs great - first experience with MacOS and now use it interchangeably with Windows. Build quality is always millimeter perfect. Cracked a couple of keys while cleaning - booked an appointment, went into the Apple store and they fixed it along with 4 other keys which were a bit dirty which is pretty good for a 4 year old machine.

    • Sounds great!

  • As a fellow university student and computer enthusiast I urge you to be sensible and just go with Lenovo Thinkpad E480 line. I have had issues with my Dell(Alienware) too and had a motherboard replaced in warranty due to a mysterious error and despite happily owning a XPS tower for some time for my first own personal computer moved onto custom builds.

    I understand everyone else in the class may have a shiny expensive aluminium unibody Macbook or XPS, but my Lenovo Thinkpad E470 has excellent battery life and is fit for learning purposes unless you stray into heavy gaming/video editing/engineering.

    • Greatly appreciate the advice. All the best with your studies.

  • Also please take care of your new laptop when this mess is sorted, cooling fan base underneath if there is no ventilation underneath when using on a flat surface for long periods at a time.

    • Thanks for the advice. I will constantly check on it and plan to buy one of those cooling mats.

  • If you paid by paypal try them, next step would be small claims court where you can state your case. Just return all goods and try and get a refund if through paypal. Also don't get too put out by personal attacks, just don't reply and continue on.

    • Thanks, personal attacks are soon forgotten. I called Paypal last week when Dell refused a replacement on the first unit and they said I can open a case in both purchases (I paid via Paypal in both instances - one through Ebay, one through Dell's website), which I'm likely to do if they leave me high and dry.

  • Have you looked at the Microsoft Surfaces?
    I have the Surface Book with Performance base which I think is an excellent machine. Quality is definitely there

    • Appreciate the suggestion. It's hard to know what to do. I've spent so much time researching laptops and you get such varied information. The most consistent reviews have come from Apple consumers. I'll look into it, though, thank you.

  • +1

    Sorry I don't have a solution for OP but I wanted to add my experience with Dell.

    Bought 4 brand new All-in-one desktops directly from their website for work. They sent the wrong ones and it took frustrating calls to customer service who couldn't understand anything that was off their call centre script.

    Took many months before I received them and two of them are buggy as hell. To be fair, the other two run like a dream. The buggy ones just freeze if you don't use it for a while. I don't mean that it has gone to sleep either, the screen freezes in place, you can't move the mouse or bring up task manager. You can tell it's frozen because the clock freezes at the time when it froze.

    TL;Dr Had bad experience with Dell customer service and their all in one desktops.

    • I'm sorry to read that you've also had some bad experiences. Companies should take heed. Word gets around.

  • I have an XPS 15 too and it is working well so far. Based on my past experience with Dell. Replacement is not always a good option as they do not give new units for replacement. For me, the best option is to find out which part is faulty, ask them for new parts and repair myself.

    • Thanks very much. I'll keep it in mind.

    1. Use an old laptop to do your studies if you need to.
    2. the XPS are known for having some shitty % due to manufacturing issues. Haven't heard about your specific issues, but there's been a fair few complaints.
    3. Their customer service for you is shit. Call them, go right to the top, and get it sorted. Be forceful until you get what you want. A new replacement, no refurbished crap.
    • Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, it's best to go to the top but I was given a dead-end when I requested it. I'll keep trying but I'm tired of the whole situation.

  • I have had a similar horror story with my first and only Dell purchase I made 9 years ago. I paid the original price of the laptop over repairs over 3 years. The day I got rid of it was one of my happiest days in the last decade. I have purchased only Apple macbooks since then (not a Apple fanboy but I truly believe they still make the most reliable laptops and desktops from my experience over the past 6 years… shit phones though) and have never been disappointed since.

    I strongly advocate against purchasing dell systems every chance I get but every time i do, I get downvoted :-/

    • I'm sorry you get downvoted because your experience impacted you substantially so you're entitled to feel the way you do. Yes, it's looking like Apple is next.

  • +1

    I know 5 people including myself who have bought an XPS15 over the last few years (9550 or 9560) and ALL have had some issues with them.

    Including:
    2 Got swollen batteries
    1 Stopped charging
    1 fault with video card
    1 system just bluescreened constantly
    1 Space key not working properly

    They are great laptops when they work, but either the design is inherently flawed or their QC is absolute garbage.

    • I think it's their QC. Indeed, they are fantastic when they work, or when they, at least, arrive clean and unused, particularly when that's what you paid for. Sigh.

  • My xps past was pretty shitty too. I have little confidence in Dell, but everyone insisted the xps laptops were the shit.

    Well it was shit. Constant screen issues (3 replacements, and now the same problem outside of warranty), excessive throttling from very minor heat (dedicated graphics pointless), heat issues, battery life meh, touchpad rising in corner (replaced during warranty, now happening again).

    Never again

    • Sorry to read about your experiences. That's pretty shocking. It's all adding up to some serious QC issues.

  • Similar thing happened to me.I bought an alienware laptop. Everything was good at first. Few months later, some keys are not working intermittently. I contacted them, they came and replaced three times. First keyboard, second motherboard and thrid keyboard and motherboard. The issue still persisted. Before third time replacemented, I have had agreement with them. If it is not fix this time to provide brand new replacement. So they did. I was lucky, I guess. Mine laptop was 4th gen chipset. They don't have anymore so they gave me 6th gen and ddr4 ram GTX newer one, don't need to pay extra or upfront. I can still keep old one for couple weeks to transfer files, etc…
    The replacement one is great still working fine. Touch wood! 😁 Bettet battery life. 5-6 hrs with normal using.

    • Yes, touch wood! All the best.

  • When buying, stick to the business lines from Dell or HP (Latitude or ProBook). They have lots of spares and replacements in stock here in Australia. Don't get customised models or flashy gaming laptops, if anything goes wrong you'll be waiting weeks for parts to arrive.

    Before you log anything with support, always check the warranty online (just enter the serial number on Dell.com's support page and click "Warranty") that way you know exactly what you're entitled to before you ask. The standard warranty does include on-site repair service on most Dells.

    Don't bother trying to tell the support team all your problems, just insist on repair under the on-site warranty. WRITE DOWN YOUR CASE NUMBER and keep a paper trail of everything they promise to do.

    Good luck.

    • Thank you. A couple of people have offered similar advice. Much appreciated.

  • i havent had any issues with Dell website so far or Dell laptops in the last 10 years. But this case does make me not want to order from Dell Website again. My friend is looking to buy a laptop and I shall tell him to avoid Dell website atleast.

    • If it was just the first issue and it was resolved then and there, I wouldn't have posted, but sending me two dirty and used units, well, that's where I draw the line and feel the need to warn people. All the best.

  • I personally wouldn't go with MacBook air or those that have not been updated in ages. I'd go with intel 8th gen CPUs (or amd equivalent) and not later than 7th gen because I don't plan to upgrade till maybe 4-5 years later. I personally have an XPS 13 for uni and I must say its a bit disappointing that their quality control is shit, but I have had no issue with their warranty and they came to me.

    • Appreciate the advice. I wondered if it was 7th gen related. All the best with your studies.

  • I bought a XPS 15 - 9560 last year, exact same one as yours. It had a few problems, with the major one being the dedicated Nvidia GPU faulty. I contacted Dell and went through the online trouble shooting thing as you did. At the end, they sent a guy over and replaced the mother board. This fixed the GPU issue, but there is now a new issue with the HDMI port, contacted them, the same guy came and replaced the motherboard once again. Everything was fine after that.

    Also, it's worth noting that those motherboards they used to replace the faulty ones are not guarantied brand new - they could very well be refurbished units.

    Bottom line, ask if they could do the same for you - replacing components instead of the whole laptop. Dell is known to have bad quality control, so yeah, it all comes down to luck.

    • +1

      bad QC? are you sure?

      • For XPS 15 - 9560 at least. If you do a quick search online, you will find many with similar issues where there is either display issues or hardware related issues - coil whine being the most notable one. At a near $2500 price point, better quality control is expected.

        • -1

          As mentioned by a repair tech elsewhere in this thread, that's likely more so because you don't hear anything when there are no issues, but you do if there are. All manufacturers will have component failures, but without repair stats you can't really make an informed comment on actual quality.

        • Agreed. All signs point to bad QC.

    • Appreciate the info. Hope everything works out for you.

  • -1

    DELL is the best! must be your problem, sorry to say that

    • Lol, OK.

  • I took me posting on the Dell forum (en.community.dell.com), tweeting @dellcares and the Aus boss of Dell @Angelaefox, multiple calls to escalated support and them denying responsibility under Aus Consumer Law each time and then actually going ahead with a VCAT application for me to achieve any satisfaction from Dell. Despite an earlier positive experience with an XPS repair I won't buy Dell again. If the escalation team denies your claim your ONLY option is VCAT.

    https://www.productreview.com.au/r/dell-xps-13/1572713.html?…

    Message me if you want to save a few dollars when you make the VCAT application.

    • I had Dell actually call me and tell me that my laptop was stolen (when I requested a replacement) because after "thorough investigation" they "couldn't find the sales order and everything points to the fact that the laptop should be with Dell". Then they told me because it was stolen, the Premium care was no longer valid, so they no longer had to provide premium support.

      I had to get the reseller involved, who was also outraged, and miraculously Dell was able to find the sales order.

      This was just my personal laptop. Don't get me started on the crap I have had to deal with from Dell at work.

    • I'm sorry to read about your experience. When spending this much money, you expect decent service. If need be, I'll be in touch. Much appreciated!

  • OP, check this Xiaomi Mi Notebook Pro out.
    https://www.gearbest.com/laptops/pp_786410.html?wid=1349303

    I and my SO both have Dell XPS 15 (9550 and 9560) with no issues, but I strongly considered the Xiaomi before I bought the XPS 15. Only reason I went with the XPS 15 is because I got a great deal from the USA Dell website and a relative was able to bring it back to Australia to avoid import bullshit fees.

    A mutual friend has the Xiaomi and reported solid build quality and performance. It's expensive right now, but I've regularly seen the i7 16GB + 256GB SSD version for ~$1500 AUD.

    • Hehe, glad you were able to avoid those fees. Nice! Will check out the Xiaomi, thanks.

  • +1

    You got unlucky, but they have been pretty good - you got offered full refund, what more do you want ?

    For what its worth, my refurb is fine, one of the keys is a little bit sticky but hey that could have been me.

    • I made two separate purchases but they made out that they gave me two replacements. It's really very simple. I was willing to give them another chance even though they sent me two used, and one dirty unit. The facts speak for themselves. I've given up on them now, though.

  • bought an alienware from them last year. the laptop was defective as it wouldn't turn on! imagine my frustration. and then I ordered a second laptop, it seemed fine at first but after 5 minutes of gaming the videocard was overheating and the computer froze. I contacted the sh*tty dell support and they're not helpful. I've asked for a replacement at first but the process was too long like 30 days just to get an approval. Luckily, I ordered via Dell eBay. I told them about my situation and they were happy to refund me and have sent me a postage label so that I can return it back to Dell. I did and I got my refund. I will never buy another laptop from Dell again.

    • Sorry to read about your experience. Glad it all worked out but it's such a waste of our time.

  • Sadly, dells XPS lineup has been plagued by Dells absolute horrible QC. I'm a student that also owns a XPS 13 and it works fine and is an amazing laptop, but have a mate with the same device and having similar issues to you. I took the risk and was lucky, other users, not so. I cant recommend the laptop to anyone if they need something reliable because of the possible issues that it can have. But I'll just say, when it does work, it is a powerful device. Sadly Dell hasn't fixed it.

    I was planning on getting the Macbook Pro, overpriced but at least reliable. Consider the Lenovo X1. Dell should really compensate you. If you browse r/Dell its split between love and hate.

    • Thanks for understanding. All the best.

  • I got an xps 9550 with dead pixels in the screen and I returned for a replacement which was fine hardware wise but had many, many software issues. All of which I was able to fix after numerous and lengthy BIOS and driver updates.

    My boss also purchased a 9550 and the keyboard on that was misaligned so none of the keys were actually pressable. He received a refund straight away.

    Seems as though the XPS 15 line has had very bad quality control of late.

    I'm guessing they are trying to build the best laptop specs wise at a relatively low cost and are skimping on QC aswell as reselling/giving out refurbs as new.

    I have somewhat lost my confidence in Dell because of this.

    • Yes, as I mentioned just before in another comment, QC seems to be Dell's main problem and their reputation will suffer for it.

      • -1

        Dare I suggest … you'll mostly read complaints online? Two of my friends have XPS15s (9550, 9560) and they're completely satisfied with them.
        They're not about to go onto forums to write a new post saying "My laptop works great! No complaints." In fact they don't post anything on forums anywhere.

        It's possible that the few people who do have problems with their XPS15s are very vocal about them, just like how it's possible there might be a subset of Apple users who are fanatical over their laptops and constantly post positive comments about them every opportunity they get.

        It's quite widely known that ThinkPads are very reliable and have good service, but I think the people who use them don't tend to post on forums as much as someone who buys a more mainstream brand. That means they would probably be underrepresented in any google searches about reliable laptops.

        The internet is great for finding comments from the most vocal community, not necessarily the best or worst product. :)

        • Of-course they'd be vocal, these things aren't cheap. There's more than "a few", too.

          Actually, many YouTubers have commented about the QC issues with Dell, one, quite prominent (Techguy, maybe?) who had to bend the base back into shape, many others, too, I can't remember who exactly. Also, when a person comments, saying they bought one hundred, and fifty had a problem, that says a lot.

          I posted what I did because it's true and because Dell sent me two used units, which were touted as new. I felt people should be warned about such appalling practices.

          I also disagree that people who have no problems don't voice their opinions. They do via ratings on various platforms. Until their touchpads pop off a year later…

          Further, I've shown no animosity towards people who haven't had an issue with the XPS in this thread. I've been very happy for them and wished I was one of the lucky ones because as I've even told Dell, I love the look and feel of the XPS, and when it's working without its glitches, it's a great machine.

        • @attackshipsonfire: You're reading my post wrong. I'm not attacking you or your post.

          Confirmation bias is rife on the internet. It is also human nature to post negative experiences over positive. Have you ever created a post on a forum telling everyone your washing machine or fridge is working great? Most probably not, but if they were giving you grief, you more likely would.

          So naturally you'll find more complaints on forums than positive comments.

          Also, when a person comments, saying they bought one hundred, and fifty had a problem, that says a lot.

          Anecdotes do not make data. If the failure rate was 50% in the real world, we would all definitely know about it.

  • MacBook Pro 15' (Mid 2014) is still running strong since day one and I've been using it for gaming and studies xD

    • Good to hear. Mainly reading very positive comments re/ Apple. Re/ Dell, I'm getting countless confirmations of my suspicions and also the reviews I've read about and seen on YouTube by reputable reviewers.

  • There's no compensation for your loss time considering you're a student.
    Legally, they have abided by ACCC terms and attempted to either fix your laptops or offered full refunds, but legally they cannot compensate for loss time and its very difficult to valuate the time loss by a student, versus should it be a business, the time loss can be calculated.

    It's your honest fault for clearly not recognising a fault in their products (despite myself having no issues with Dell before, maybe you're the one in thousands to receive their faults three times in a row) and finding an alternative.

    In my honest opinion, you seem to have plenty of funds as a student, well off (I mean like term deposit, 4k res laptop, two laptop purchases…)

    I just hope you've learned that you should be smarter, with time and money. You could've easily went in store to JB Hifi and bought a better laptop in person, and should any issues arise, should be resolved on the spot in store.

    Edit: I probably sound salty about OP. I just couldn't justify myself spending that much on laptops. Also read later that you're design student, so disregard my 4k remark.

    Check out Huawei Matebook X pro.

    • It's all good. I was foolish to think I'd be compensated. All the best.

      • Also, can't you appeal to the school faulty or unit coordinator in these situation to get date line extensions

  • I bought a Dell Inspiron 10 years ago, and it had a fault straight off the bat— the power adapter needed re-seating constantly for it to gain adequate power. Not only that, they sold me a 4gb RAM laptop with a 32-bit OS (which means only 3gb of the RAM could be in use until the OS was upgraded to a 64 bit one). I didn't know this at the time about 32 bit systems, and Dell had no info about it when customizing. Had I known, I wouldn't have even upgraded to 4gb. The fact they even let you customize to that point for extra money, when they only offered 32 bit Windows was super dodgy. Imagine my dismay when I paid for my 4gb RAM laptop and Windows diagnostics told me I had 3gb. Well, Dell wouldn't help me with the 32-bit RAM thing, but when I told them about the power thing, all they did was send me another adapter, which had the same issue. I dropped it because dealing with their CS was a hassle, and the work around was easy, but I was super unhappy. The laptop is decent and still works (it does have an amazing screen) and once I bought a 64bit Windows used the full amount. But I wouldn't buy from them again. If you get an offer of the money back, you take it, and that's it.

    Honestly, I had much better results from my HPs in the past— they lasted much longer, they were more upgrade-able, and they didn't have as much bloat ware, and they were cheaper. I would totally try HP again, if I had to buy a brand computer. That said, I haven't used them in forever, so I can't really vouch for them.

    The problem is, each company has a 'bad batch' sometimes; online reviews (especially on Amazon, etc) are your friend. Whether a comp is decent or great depends largely on where the parts are sourced, etc, and in this age of cheap technology, there are dud parts everywhere. Even in high end laptops. I can't count the amount of times my DVD drive has failed on me and I've needed a replacement. So it really all depends, and it can vary greatly. I have an Acer netbook that is great, runs quite well despite being old as. On the other hand, my mom's Acer has systematically failed since we got it, we had to replace the screen, dvd drive, and now the sound card is failing, so I couldn't recommend them to anyone. I don't think Dell or Acer are bad, per se, but as with any company trying to make money and mass producing computers there will always be some issue. Your best bet is to find the company with the best customer service and warranty to deal with these issues, because it's not a matter of if something fails, but when. Yes, even on Apple.

    Honestly, the best PCs and laptops I've ever had have all been custom made. When their parts fail, they are usually easily taken out and changed. They still have issues, but their fixes have all been much easier, and you get way more bang for your buck, and they are much more upgrade able. I got my custom laptops when I lived in the US, but I would still buy custom here, if I didn't have time to build it myself.

    If it was just for writing and research, then I would have gotten a small netbook to use in the interim, (like the Stream or Ideapad) and given Dell the flick, then saved up for something better.

    • Thanks. Sorry for late reply, been dealing with assignments… I very much appreciate you taking the time to comment. I'm sorry about the problems you and your mum experienced but, yes, I agree that there can be anomalies in any product line.

      I'm so close to buying an iMac but I need portability so I feel stuck. Dell are still offering a refund but they are delaying the pick up of the second and third laptops which is annoying me to say the least. I have arranged for them to pick up the first once I have purchased a replacement. I have also asked for a partial refund for the first and have been waiting five days for a reply. I asked because someone commented that they received something along those lines. I thought I could just do a fresh Windows install and cross my fingers.

      I've been looking into custom made units. The point you make about the ease of changing individual parts is appealing. However, I don't feel comfortable enough, with my current knowledge base, at least, to go that route. That could change in the future.

      I'll be editing the post once I have a definitive resolution from Dell.

      All the best.

  • -1

    Lesson learned - Buy a MacBook.

    • It's left a sting, that's for sure.

  • Still using a Macbook Pro 15" (2012), and don't have any issue with it, was able to upgrade it with 16gb ram and 512go SSD and it's running fast for everything - except for heavy video editing.

    My wife has a Macbook Air (2013) and still fine, just for browsing, doing some excel stuff, plenty enough.

    My dad is still using my old macbook (white one from 2010), and no issue but again just using it to browse internet.

    My next one will be a mac for sure ;).

    • +1

      At work I just retired a ThinkPad X61 (from 2007) and an X201t (from 2010) two months ago.

      Last year I retired an ThinkPad X301 from 2008.

      ThinkPads just keep going and going. :)

      The ancient X61 was actually running Windows 10 fine, but it did get a little bogged down with the Excel spreadsheet they were using.

      • Does the x61 still work?

        Someone stepped on mine and I had to replace the screen, but it isn't oem and has terrible contrast.

        Otherwise it is a nice little laptop

        • Does the x61 still work?

          Yes it does! I put an SSD in a few years back. Win10 runs fine even on a laptop from 11 years ago. Pretty cool.

          and has terrible contrast.

          Yeah, and really poor res too. It was all normal 11 years ago though!

        • @eug:
          Any tips for a source of cheap parts?
          I put an ebay screen in, and it wasn't nearly as good as the cracked one I replaced

        • @Superannuation: I'd check ebay again. You can sometimes find pulls from old laptops. That way you'll get a genuine screen.

    • Thanks. Macs are definitely in my number one spot at the moment. Just waiting on a resolution with these Dells and the awful CS I'm getting for them to simply pick up the second and third laptops…

    • I saw a PCmag review on YouTube yesterday who claimed the last decent MacBook was the 2016. Since then, it's been downhill (according to him). Still, three class action lawsuits re/ the butterfly keyboard and a totally lacklustre WWDC is disheartening.

  • I bought a monitor from Dell outlet (I know, what do I expect?). They sent me the correct box but wrong inside.

    • I'm sorry you experienced that. That is very poor form!

  • I bought a Dell Inspiron 13 laptop about 2 years ago, and I had issues with the laptop freezing and BSOD occurring regularly. I was in discussion with Dell through email and live chat on many occasions, they offered to use remote connection to update drivers & BIOS etc, but I was still having issues. I kept asking for them to send me a replacement as I was not happy with so many issues within the first month of ownership itself. They kept refusing and I eventually only got them to send a technician to replace a few parts. Myself and my friends have had some bad experiences with Dell's customer support and their products, quite disappointing as their products in general seem great.

    • Yes, the XPS is a stunning looking machine and (according to some testimonials) is brilliant when operational. I'm considering the next instalment of the MacBook Pro (~ Sept maybe?). Until then, I might buy a replacement HDD for my HP Pavilion, eek… I'm so close to buying an iMac, and I have an excellent quote, but if an upgrade is coming, then I'd like to wait.

  • I went through similar experience with Dell XPS 9550. I threatened them with ACL (Australian Consumer Law). Worked a treat. PM me if you want to short story.

    • I didn't think anybody took the ACL seriously - you're lucky the bluff worked

      • Perhaps it's just you?

        • No, of course not. The problem is who is going to enforce anything relating to consumer law in Australia? That's the catch - the ACCC. I speak from experience - I wouldn't waste any time with ACCC again. My own experience was with a new KTM road bike. I've read lots of other disappointments here, on ozbargain forums.

          https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joi…

          https://autoexpert.com.au/posts/how-the-accc-australian-cons…

        • +1

          @poohduck: I've previously mentioned that I had problems with Lenovo service.

          They were taking a really long time to repair my $900 ThinkPad Tablet. Eventually I contacted the ACCC and Lenovo responded really quickly. I told them I don't want a replacement tablet, and I would like a refund instead. The tablet was nearly a year old by this time.

          They asked if any other product interested me. I said the only one that would be a good replacement is a $1,800 ThinkPad Yoga.

          They gave it to me, I didn't have to pay anything extra.

          Thank you ACCC! :)

        • @eug I suppose it proves extremes are rarely the case - I'm happy they worked for you :)

        • +1

          @poohduck:

          I suppose it proves extremes are rarely the case

          Mmm. We can't really conclude much with just 3 data points.

          The problem is, if someone has a good experience, they probably won't be writing on forums about it. But if someone has a bad experience, they'll be shouting from the mountains.

        • @eug: I had a lot to go by; with new vehicles there's a plethora of hard done by new car owners where accc have done nothing. Maybe they have their favorite areas of interest? Actually, a good friend of mine - a franchisee (and most other banjo franchisees) also had no joy with banjos bakeries here in tas; that's the 2nd link above. A government inquiry at the time found the same.

    • I'm sorry you experienced that. Things should all work out in the end but it's been nearly three months since my first purchase and they're being slack about even picking up the second and third laptops. Will be in touch if need be, though, thanks so much.

    • Glad everything worked out for you. I think this thread exposes how mixed up Dell's QC is. I get the feeling it's best to go with a new model before the returns get shuffled back in like a deck of cards.

    • Whoops, I'd already responded to you.

  • Sorry to hear about this. You won’t get compensated but claim the refunds where you can and run.

    The Verge (tech website) just released a review full of praise for the new MateBook Pro (can you guess where this is going…), but it looks fantastic for a reasonable price. Have a read of that before you purchase, the top spec also includes discrete graphics!

    • Thanks. It's been distracting me from my studies which I'm mostly upset about. The refunds should come through eventually. The offer to be refunded has just been reiterated this week. Will look into your suggestion, much appreciated.

  • I haven't read through all the comments. I'm on a dell laptop right now - it's awesome, and was a great deal. As with any new laptop, I spend ages getting rid of all the junk software. I researched each piece of software that was dell's own - I don't think I have anything dell left. Then did the same with windows. Mine had facial recognition software for logging on; it worked but I decided it wasn't worth the processing overhead. That sort of software (and lots more like it) are running all the time just waiting till they're needed. The finger print technology would be the same. Mine is touch screen - disabled. Mine is running like a race car - lean and mean and it flies. The other upside of all this is that you minimise lots of potential issues. Whenever I use someone else's laptop (business or private) I'm never impressed and usually frustrated, waiting, no matter how new they are always bogged down with useless junk software. It's the same with all the scheduled stuff (task scheduler). All I have running is anti virus and firewall. I've gone through all the services and microsoft data / spy stuff.

    • Thanks. That sounds like very good advice. I've heard about people removing bloatware and other unnecessary software which has worked a treat, just as you've described. All the best.

  • I went through a similar process with Lenovo 4 months ago. The first laptop was faulty, sent it back once for repair and they couldn't fix it. Ended up with a replacement for ~4 months before a new problem emerged. At that point I was prob 7 months into my initial purchase, replacement laptop was 4 months old. Sent the laptop back and forth twice, had a repair onsite, problem was not fixed. I fought hard for Lenovo to refund me the full amount.

    A friend of mine was also looking to buy a new laptop when I got my Lenovo. He got a MacBook Pro instead and he is still really happy with the purchase.I decided to bite the bullet, combined discounts from UniDays, cash rewards + Apple's promotion, ended up with a MacBook Pro 15" for about $2,999 ( RRP $3799).

    I wished I had bought a MacBook Pro initially instead of all the hassles I went though. The UX is miles ahead! I currently use a Lenovo for work, everything just seems more intuitive on my Mac.

    • Glad it's all worked out for you. I wish I'd done the same. Cheers.

  • -2

    lol first world problems. get 2nd hand $500 laptop it will work just as well.

  • Got a few XPS 13 and 15 at work. They are all great, loving the 4k and touchscreen too. Was using Mac previously, even had iPhone at one point, but I still prefer Windows anytime myself. Sorry to hear about your issues though OP!

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