This is not going to go down well with OzBargainers?
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/amazon-to-block…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-31/amazon-to-block-us-sit…
Sign the Petition to SCRAP the GST on online goods sold online costing less than $1000
The barrier reminds me of the iron curtain… soon we will all be shot in our beds.
Who is complaining about paying tax? I pay plenty, and I'm fine paying the gst for Amazon. I was just expecting it to show up on my cart from July 1. Audible (Amazon) US started doing it already. To be honest I'm more ticked at Amazon for banning us. XXXX em. Governments are always looking for ways to xxxx us, so I'm hardly surprised or outraged. I know Amazon can collect the money (and they are at Audible US), and earn interest on it until their quarterly payments. So xxxx em.
In a nutshell if an item sent from overseas costs $50 all up today, will it cost me $55 next month to factor in GST or is it not as simple as that?( Assuming it is tagged as GST paid)
will it cost me $55 next month to factor in GST
It's that simple.
As soon as you set the country to Australia in the shipping address, the price will go up 10%.
Or, as many are discovering, you will get a "Sorry, we don't deliver to Australia…" message.
Or, as many are discovering, you will get a "Sorry, we don't deliver to Australia…" ANYMORE message.
ANYMORE
That's much better.
Nope, something that cost 50 on Amazon US would probably cost 100 on Amazon AU, and you have to be lucky to find it available
Don't forget the proposed parcel tax on top
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-22/online-shopping-tax-be…
In the 2015/2016 tax year many companies successfully avoided paying any tax at all. The article is http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/corporate-tax-data-rel… but some notable examples are Toll who had a total income of $5,058,142,102.00 yet paid nothing, Virgin Australia whose taxable income was $4,587,137,706 yet paid nothing and News Australia whose income was $2,940,636,294 yet they again paid nothing. Top scorer was the mining company Glencore Investments who, despite a total income of a staggering $18,349,032,015 paid, you guessed it, nothing. Also these companies could well have reported a loss that would carry forward to the next year. All the while the Government and the ATO are too scared to go after these people we, the little ones, will always be screwed over.
The increased GST revenue raised from this petty action will be a mere drop in the ocean as far as government finances are concerned and can only be a tawdry attempt to garner increased profit after having bought off Government decision makers via "contributions" to their coffers.
So much for Australia giving everyone a fair go.
I know what you are saying, but a company pays tax on its profit, not income. If they have made business investment, then that can be written off against tax. Now, I'm sure that some of these companies are gaming the system by hiding profits offshore (a global, not just Australian, issue). Chevron has dropped close to USD100 billion into Australian LNG plants (Gorgon and Wheatstone) in the last 10 years. They are employing thousands of Australians and pay them top dollar. I have no problem with them offsetting their investment against their tax liability
None of these companies are breaking tax law and if our government wants them to pay more tax, then they can change the law
YEAH CHANGE THE LAW LIKE THEY JUST DID TO MAKE FOREIGN SELLERS COLLECT GST.
Why harp on about needing to make a legal change when they spent nearly 2 years concocting this fiasco?
Its already cost millions to change the laws - how long before they get that back on this?
If they changed the tax laws to reduce the maximum you could offset in a given year, instant gains.
you may love American multinationals but hey old Texaco was found guilty of having polluted close to 2,000 square miles of the Amazon basin with crude oil, toxic wastewater, and other contaminants. The country’s Supreme Court eventually ordered the company’s successor, Chevron, to pay $9.5 billion for environmental remediation, medical treatment, and other relief for those affected.
That was despite the U.S. civil justice system ranking twenty-seven out of ninety-nine countries, which is low by Western standards back in 2014.
To place any trust in an American multinational like chevron with its documented history is environmental madness, and they invest here because they make bucketloads of taxfree cash courtesy of our corrupt governments. They get away with murder in the US, and they will without question destroy chunks of Australia.
It simply seems easier for the government to go after the masses than go after the huge companies and corporations. See, these huge companies hold power, they employ people and use that as a bargaining tool. The masses have nothing apart from their one small vote. The problem with that is that there are more dumb people in the world than smart.
But isnt this new GST collection going to force some of the offshore companies to pay GST at least?
offshore companies to pay GST at least
Companies don't pay GST - you & I, the consumer, do.
If they think I’ll buy an item on Amazon Au at triple the price of Amazon USA to make me pay GST they are dreaming. I’ll just don’t buy anymore. They are ruining Australia, once known as the land of plenty.
I'm hoping someone knows the answer to this, as i've been googling it and not getting anywhere.
I've placed three orders at OzGameShop (all preorders), one will be released June 15 (which should be fine), another will be posted on July 15 and finally Spyro on September 21st.
All of these preorders have been paid in full via PayPal.
So, what happens to the two orders posted after July 1st?
Will I be forced to pay an additional 10% on those items, and if so, how and who will I need to pay?
ask an American - they run this country -I was only born here so don't count.
ahh the nanny state does it again. First they impose ISP logging with no warrant requirements to see that data, and now they impose a ban on cash, which means big banks are going to see demand rocket, thus ultimately leading to pricing increases as it is now a necessity to have a bank account… Then they make Amazon US leave Australian shores so we overpay and buy from AUS retailers. Do you guys see a pattern here? It's gonna get a lot worst over the coming years. God help our kids.
honestly everyone on here are such cry babies. instead of blaming the government, blame amazon which cant put a 10% gst on its products at checkout. it can vary tax for every state in the US but can add 10% blanket for when someone picks Australia. Yeah really the government, I think more amazon to blame. do I want to pay the extra GST, NO, but a few dollars here and there wont affect my shopping as most things I purchase come from AU retailers on sale.
Yep. I'm 100% in agreement with you.
there's always stupidity, thanks for reminding me why the poor get poorer every damn day.
Very simplistic view of things. If it were that easy, they would simply have done so don't you think? Have you not seen how government can turn a one-sentence rule into a 4000 page document. Amazon is about making profit not charity. So something about it was obviously going to cost more on an ongoing basis than the effort would return. For a start they'd need to employ accountants all year long to work through any 3-monthly changes to that aforementioned Australian government phone book of rules.
You don't have to pick just one person to blame.
The government and Amazon both are screwing you and not for just 10%.
Amazon is just seeking FREE PUBLICITY. By end of June they will announce that they have changed their mind due to public outcry. So, they will end up with one month of FREE NATIONAL MEDIA COVERAGE!
All the parallel importers and eBay should also be subject to GST.
trolls out in force today.
The australian site does not sell what i buy.THANKS HARVEY NORMAN..
There is a "Amazon US" seller on the Australian Amazon site now. I checked a few items and the prices look like a direct USD to AUD conversion.
Cool. Can you post a link?
Here is an example of a product sold by 'Amazon US' through the Australian site https://www.amazon.com.au/OXO-Good-Grips-Spatula-White/dp/B0…
Pm me seller thanks
Gerry Harvey will be so happy standing up for the little aussie battler that he will buy himself 2 new yachts and 6 new racehorses to celebrate!
Any businessman that tries to increase his own market share by rubbishing another company deserves boycott. Especially one that CAUSED the pullout by his anti-competitive whining in the media and bribing of government pen-pushers.
If his business isn't as viable as it once was, then it's HIS fault - not the fault of a business in a country on the other side of the planet that few Australians buy from, and which sells 98% completely different items.
Edit: Oh, and let's not forget government has consistently destroyed manufacturing over decades, culling many products, and forcing us to buy offshore.
forget government has consistently destroyed manufacturing over decades, culling many products,
Er no, that was people like Gerry Harvey & Dick Smith finding out that they could import items that were cheaper than the locally produced stuff.
The same Gerry who's now complaining about us doing that to him, and Dick Smith who is now going on about "Buy Aussie made".
I don't think it's misguided at all. All employers by definition employ people. An employer with better business practices would be preferable.
Personally I think thelegislation makes sense.
Why would we actively hamstring business in this country that employs Australians and pay taxes.
All the GST ruling does is make it a fair playing field.
If Amazon want to spit the dummy, I'm sure the void will be filled.
For those complaining about Harvey Norman - surely your anger should be at Amazon for not wanting to pay the same amount of tax as our own companies.
you clearly do not understand what is happening, and because of that your comment is at best useless.
Just to clarify, GST is not paid by Amazon, they just collect it off consumers and forward it to the govt. Amazon are just saying (rightly or wrongly) that is easier for them to have all their products with GST on the one website.
Why should Amazon pay tax anyway? First, tax has already been paid in their own country. Second, it's the Australian government's responsibility to collect tax - not someone in American selling to the world via Amazon. Third, is every Australian manufacturer paying tax to the USA? Oh, that's right - no - because our government has driven many Australian manufacturers out of business - so there are few Australian manufacturers TO pay a USA tax, and none to pay our government tax either - so the solution is the same - drive overseas sellers away, just like the drove Australian manufacturers out of business, LOL!
Every single time government shoves their greedy foolish hand into the cookie jar they BREAK the damn jar. Bring in a new illogical rule, get it wrong, cost us more, gain them nothing - stuff it up for everyone.
Does Amazon even Straya?
They should just apply GST when purchasing foreign currency. Problem solved.
I am kind of in two minds about this. The government is cheesed off at those international retailers for not paying taxes while making a tonne of money and sending it all off-shore.
i am a very loyal and keen oz-bargainer but I find myself buying things from overseas which I don't particularly need and things I am happy to wait for, generally low priced items. I've just recently moved out to a place on my own and everything I've purchased was from local retailers, for two reasons; 1) I need it right now, 2) they're high priced items and I want that piece of mind buying with local warranty/ support.
I am not happy with the government taking this action because it's basically putting their finger up at the consumer (me) but it's a move needed for our economy. We need companies paying their fair share of taxes if they want to trade in Australia and we need consumers to pay their fair share in gst. Our economy is built on people having to pay this. It's what makes our country so great and with roads we can drive on, doctors we can goto, surgeries we can have without being much out of pockets. It's why a lot of our families came here in the first place.
I just don't know how the government plans to enforce any of this. No international company needs to comply to any of this.
The neggers are just clicking without reading, but still, it's far from good for the economy. Just one example is all the courier/Australia Post jobs, investment, and infrastructure (trucks, vans, depots, uniforms, training, airport handlers, etc.) that will now evaporate due to less packages coming in. All so Gerry Harvey could puff out his chest and prove money buys government favours.
And the amount of GST that would have been collected wouldn't pay for a second wasteful parliament house flagpole.
probably get downvoted for this
Just dont get it. So government wants to force big major national corporations to pay taxes and everyone is hating the australian government and harvey norman cause they want them to pay taxes? or play on a even playing field? you know the corporations have won you see this mentality.
While im here with this gripe i might as well chime for a 2 for 1 downvote special and talk about the farkn fast food joints as well where people carry on when people dont clean up after themselves. HOW ABOUT THEY HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO DO THAT SHT! THEY ALREADY MAKING MILLIONS/BILLIONS.
Amazon does not pay the tax… You do
You do
My god, there are so many people people in this thread who don't understand that.
Why is everyone making the claim that consumers pay the GST? At the end of the day, consumers pay any and all business taxes in the form of higher prices. GST may be collected differently, but it has the same effect of raising prices. An efficient business will lower their price so that the total, including GST, is lower than their competitors.
Why is everyone making the claim that consumers pay the GST?
Because some people think that companies (eg Amazon USA) are avoiding tax by not paying GST. These people aren't that bright.
Whose pocket does GST come out of then?
10% added to item price, customer pays the extra 10%, company hands that 10% to the ATO. The company's bottom line is exactly as it was before, while the customer has less cash.
GST is a tax on consumption, with companies acting as tax collectors. Is that concept so hard to understand?
It's not an 'even playing field', when the Australian government has to force the overseas business to collect the tax on its behalf, before it even becomes profitable. The closer analogy would be EXTORTION or BLACKMAIL.
The 'corporations won' when a certain owner of one bribed the Liberal party to force responsibility of collecting an Australian tax, on an overseas business.
It's not the fast food joints' fault people are too lazy to pick up their own rubbish and put it in the bins provided. Just like it's not Amazon's responsibility the Australian government is too lazy to pick up it's own tax via it's own systems already in place.
I am struggling to understand what is wrong with this.
We have leveled the playing the field. This does not shut down shopping for Australian consumers online. it simply means if you walk into a store, or buy something online, consumption will take place in Australia, accordingly Australia will tax. Therefore, Australia's consumption-based tax (which funds the States - which in turns fund your health care/schools/etc) will now apply equally. It is important to note as well this is a genuine issue. American sales tax will not apply to exports, and before this Australia's GST would not. This means an online seller has a genuine advantage of a local seller. It is this gap the law is now closing, which was never anticipated at the time of the GST's implementation.
This is a case of a multinational opting to ensure compliance by funneling sales down its Australian website.
Great news!!! we are sick of big business not paying their fair share of tax! and people here are still complaining.. Big corporations need to either pay tax or stop selling in Australia.. YOU PEOPLE cant have it both ways.
Do you have any comment on how you expect something like this to be implemented, the impact it will have on consumers or the actual amount of tax collected vs the cost of collecting it?
These are the issues people have and it is simplistic and stupid to keep trying to frame it as greedy consumers refusing to front up 10% gst.
It's not the business that pays GST, it's the customer.
People are generally frustrated with corporation's creative accounting. For example, Apple Australia sourcing all its products from Apple Ireland, even though they're all manufactured in China, so that the profit can be booked in Ireland instead of here. Or BHP exporting coal overseas while shuffling paper through Singapore to create an artificial 'marketing fee' over there to incur fake costs on the coal and therefore pay less tax.
Do you think IKEA is Swedish? Nope. It's a Dutch/Lichtenstein business wrapping itself in Swedish colours to fool the public. And IKEA is controlled by charitable foundations to further avoid tax.
I wouldn't mind Amazon adding 10% GST and passing it onto the consumer. Instead, Amazon has decided to shut us out of all international sites bar one. An example I posted earlier was a wine filter pump that I had delivered from Amazon US for AU$220. The price for the exact same product on Amazon AU is AU$462. Plus postage.
so many dumb people posting or smart ones from government trying to mislead.
consider this ….
you need a medical aid for your quality of life or even to stay alive.
up to this point you could import it from an overseas supplier for 25% of the cost of buying it here.
NOW YOU CANT BECAUSE OVERSEAS SUPPLIERS WONT SHIP IT ANYMORE TO AUSTRALIA.
Now you have to pay 75% more to stay healthy or get around.
so you were paying $1,000 but now you have to pay $4,000 au if you can even get it here.
Nothing to do with Amazon, everything to do with the most anti-consumer government that Australia has ever seen - the TURNBULL Government.
the constant dripping misleading crap being posted now under this thread is designed to cover up the fact that your right to import goods has been taken away to bolster profits for a few Australian business's.
if people get hurt because of it, and clearly most people now posting, now like the LIBERALS, couldn't give a flying f…..
nothing stops this person from still selling…. they are actively opting out. All they need to do is remit GST - a not overly complex process.
a not overly complex process
If you don't think much.
Suppose the USA wanted your company to collect sales tax when you sell to Americans. No worries, am I right?
All they need to do is remit GST
Even easier, they might not even have to do that - Medical aids and appliances are GST-free if they meet certain conditions. This includes their sale, hire, repair and spare parts.
Quality of life or even to stay alive still intact.
Funny, don't see Labor voting against this either.
is this GST refundable via TRS?
What I do not understand is that Amazon already collects the state taxes in the USA for over 20 states, which are all at vastly different %ages, and therefore find it difficult to understand why adding Australia GST so difficult for them on amazon.com?
That's a question only Jeff Bezos can answer.
My guess is that the vendor collection model isn't compatible with the way they do business — it probably contains too much red tape. Australia Post published a report that suggests that if the postal service were tasked with assessing and collecting the GST on international deliveries, it would cost almost A$900 million to collect A$300 million in revenue.
Yet strangely enough eBay is okay with it and have already implemented it last year. However, ebay differs in that it's purely a market place. Amazon however, is not just a marketplace, they are actually a vendor, a shipping company, a media company, a publisher, an IT company… and so on.
According to the Conversation and Lifehacker, they say that the Australian customer base for Amazon USA is too small to really matter, so cutting Australia loose from Amazon just seems like a more practical solution. It's also likely that they planned it from the start anyway (just my guess) and the changes to the laws simply sped up the migration process, and we're left with the 'yet to fully mature' Amazon Australia as the only way to shop from Amazon.
so cutting Australia loose from Amazon just seems like a more practical solution.
A lot of people seem to have forgotten what happens when we try to buy software, tools, computers etc from overseas because it's cheaper there. The companies tell us to piss off and "buy local", which is exactly what Amazon is doing.
Amazon already collects the state taxes in the USA for over 20 states
Which is exactly why Amazon USA shouldn't be forced to collect an Australian tax. Because it's a USA company, not an Australian company.
So a tightarse community is up in arms about potentially having to pay more for goods and turn it into various self serving philosophical arguments. Big surprise. Neg away lol
I think you might be on the wrong thread. This topic is people complaining about Amazon shutting us out of their sites. There might be another forum topic relating to people complaining about gst on internet purchases, but I've no idea, as I'm not interested in discussing it.
No not really… amazon shutting us down means we have to pay more for the same thing elsewhere. As I said you can dress it up anyway you like but ultimately it's all about missing out on the occasional bargain.
trolling
I purchased a $19 printer from Harvey Norman recently, with in-store pick up. I arrived there at 6:55p, last Thursday night (late night shopping) and they told me they closed at 7 and I couldn't come in. Every other shop in the centre opens until 9pm.
I don't really need the printer, just buying it as a spare. So I am planning to not collect the printer for some time. It can sit in their collection area, taking up space. I plan to stretch it out as long as possible, ignoring their phone calls and emails, only answering occasionally to say that yes I still want it and will be in any day now. One day, eventually, I may just ask for a refund.
The employees at my local HN are rude and unhelpful, and every time I buy something from there I regret it immediately. Hopefully my passive aggressive stance causes annoyance for them, and the business in general. It will make me smile every time I think about it.
Lol they couldn't care less but it was an insightful story into your psyche
Hmm from today I can't seem to use my existing credits on audible.com… when I try to confirm the purchase it says "Your purchase for this title could not go through
This title can not be sold in your country/region". ARGHH. I have hundreds of books on audible, they better not block them from me. (Credits and book purchases do not transfer to the .au website).
Does anyone know if/how this will effect us US Kindle people? I have a large library of books from Amazon US and I strictly use Amazon US for my ebook purchases. I use a fake US address etc and purchase with gift cards.
Would reallly hate to lose my collection.
According to this you can:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=…
My store is already set to Australia, and when I go to https://www.amazon.com/mycd I get a banner up the top saying
“Great news! You can now shop for digital content directly from Amazon.com.au. Learn more about updating your default Kindle Store to Amazon.com.au”
I haven’t transferred my collection over yet, but it looks like it is possible.
That doesn't even vaguely refer to transferring content. Likewise with Audible.
If Amazon or any major retailer doesn't want to service Australian consumers, a smart entrepreneur will start up another business that will. Hey, it might have the benefit of opening up a bit of competition in a tired, monopolistic online marketplace.
? If Amazon or any major retailer doesn't want to service Australian consumers
Amazon will still sell to Australian customers.
I'm sure we'll have no problem buying Alexa from the local site. Everything else we used to be able to buy? Well, no.
you don't read the news do you? - free trade is dead. Economic theory is dead.
America says so - so it is here too.
Welcome to fascism.
Actually globalism being wound back = good riddance to fascism. ;-D
As a dual citizen trying to understand arbitrage, but also aware of what's happening with Amazon and Ebay in a maturing market, I will say that eventually you'll be upset that you rely on them for your goods. The quality definitely goes down, as does your ability to sell on them.
Nope. You're either buying the very same items on Amazon you could buy here, except cheaper - or - you're buying quality made-in-USA items on Amazon when no Australian manufacturer exists.
Therefore manufacturers of junk get the same money for producing the same junk only they ship it to a different location - and the quality manufacturers get MORE money thus ensuring quality products don't disappear and we have more choice. Cut off that income, the quality company doesn't expand or goes out of business too - leaving the junk.
That's the result of this tax - less choice, lower quality, fewer quality manufacturers. Not the other way around.
There are so many items that are not even available in Australia that you can buy on eBay or from overseas sellers. I can't understand the logic behind restricting our purchase range.
No logic, they just don’t care
Plenty of logic. They're not a charity, not an Australian business, they already pay all relevant taxes in the USA, and are not a subsidiary of the ATO.
Screw Amazon, Im more likely to boycott them now than HN.
They told the govt they want a year and now use some BS excuse.
It's just a pressure tactic, they will come back. (or just put stuff on amazon.com.au at an inflated price)
It was too hard shopping on amazon.com anyway with all the stuff that wouldn't ship here (they had no problems implementing that!)
Conflicted on this. I suspect many of the haters are also upset that big corporations sell billions here and yet pay no tax whilst individuals are stung with high income taxes. So hate that the Big Corporations pay no local tax BUT when one is forced to at least collect a consumption tax on behalf of the government somehow it is all the government's fault. You cant have your cake and eat it too. Cant crack down on the big international freeloaders whilst being complicit in their tax dodge.
It is inconvenient, I know I will miss out on bargains but if we are talking about fairness, it seems unfair that the local Bike shop owned by my mate Robbie charges me GST when i buy a new set of tyres BUT the global monolith that is Amazon doesnt have to charge me GST if i bought those bike tyres from them. I love a bargain as much as the next man and I hate to see an noncompetitive local marketplace be propped up by local laws and taxes but i also see how the government should be looking after local businesses like my mate Robbie long before they lookafter the interests of Jeff Bezos.
You still think the problem is paying gst?
Exactly. I dont have a problem paying GST. I pay it on most items i purchase every day. For me the issue is choice. Amazon is just one example. If other OS retailers follow suit and stop shipping to Aus, its two fold, we lose choice and then local retailers will simply see that there is less competition and just jack prices up.
Personally if I'll see the price of whatever item is much more expensive on Amazon Au than Amazon US I'll postpone or renounce to the purchase. For example there's an american aftershave I buy on Amazon US, less than $10, is on sale on Amazon Au at 45. Are they out of their mind?
Correction:
Upset that big
AUSTRALIAN
corporations sell billions here and yet pay no tax
Yes, many large businesses here pay no tax, get handouts when in trouble, etc. but a company that doesn't reside here, should pay tax and qualify for zero handouts!?
it seems unfair that the local Bike shop owned by my mate Robbie charges me GST when i buy a new set of tyres BUT the global monolith that is Amazon doesnt have to charge me GST if i bought those bike tyres from them.
i.e. Before the Australian government can claim it has the right to force an overseas business to collect tax on their behalf, they should be notifying all countries, that from now on, Australia will collect tax on their behalf. Which would become an utterly ridiculous situation - thus it makes sense for each country to COLLECT THEIR OWN TAX instead of foisting that responsibility onto another country.
In other words: TARIFFS for MANUFACTURERS and GST on CONSUMERS for asking overseas RETAILERS to ship here. Too expensive for our government to make a profit that way? Then bad luck. Research why; streamline the process; increase the tax - but either collect it yourself, or start sending tax to every other country before expecting them to collect it for us.
Does anyone know what will happen to preorders?
there are a few things i have contributed to on kickstarter ages ago which are going to ship soon.
if they arrive after June, what will happen, will they get stopped at customs?
If it doesnt say on the invoice that you paid your tax it will get stopped. You will probably have to pay some other processing fees as well apart from the 10per gst, much like what they do with over 1000 dollar purchases
would it still apply though?
Kickstarter campaigns are donations to fund a development of a product or service, products I have received in the past have had no invoice on the box or in the box. This is because I haven't purchased the product, I have received it as a "gift" in return for helping fund the product.
I’m in a similar situation. Not sure what will happen because the person handling the project will be unlikely to implement an Australian GST accounting and remittance system.
I don't understand how Turnbull believes he has the political capital to run this. Or his non-explanation on new security measures cos "it's a dangerous world". What will happen is a sharp dive in the consumer confidence index which they'll have to bat away with a "well, it's to be expected" nonchalance.
Worst case? Places such as OzB will become a little quieter, second-hand goods will become more attractive and therefore firm in value, and we'll revert to a "mend and make-do" thriftiness.
My advice: tool up.
I think all, it'll do is hurt Amazon and grow other etailers that aren't axxholes. It is not about cost. Hearing people talk about it affecting second hand goods or whatever is just laughable. Do people realise what Amazon's currently do sell here, or do see) that we can use with our power? Is there ANYTHING major you would buy used that amazon sells to us?
yeah but hey don't need to if they have an Australian site do they?
the thread's a neat way to deflect criticism to Amazon but they are just a retailer responding to the barriers erected by our corrupt pollies.
The issue is the barrier now in place to sell to Australians - its like a wall.
We all live behind it now thanks to primarily to the liberals.
The only good thing is that they have now started their own extinction, because this is anti-trade - and we live on an island.