Rental Bidding and Accepting Applications before Inspection. Thoughts?

Edit: Thanks for the replies. For those who don't want to read below I'm just curious how many people offer more money for a rental than the advertised price. If so do you have a set amount (say $10 or so) or do you work off how much your limit/budget is.

Do you feel you need to offer more every time?

Cheers.


There is a property in our area that has been advertised for quite a long time now with no inspection date. Rent is $430 a week.
Advised by the agent a few weeks ago that the tenant was breaking the lease but was refusing to allow them to conduct any inspections. She advised me that they had 50 enquiries and that they would let everyone know when it could be viewed. Nothing for a few weeks so went in to the office and spoke to someone else who told me the same thing and said they had a huge pile of applications already.

Last weekend we attended an open house for a different property but the same agent. We spoke to her about the other property and she told us it would be available to inspect this week. She told us that it would be going for $480 and they had at least 3 applications they were considering already. She then proceeded to badmouth the tenant which was an absolute joy to listen to (not).

Remember no one has actually been able to view the property yet and the rent is advertised at $430. We won't be applying for it - it doesn't seem to be worth the extra $$.

I know that people do offer more for a property nowadays but we have never considered doing this (and never had to). I also would never consider applying for something before I've seen it.
I wonder how many people are offering more for everything they apply for.
It's making me think we won't be able to get a property for the advertised price. I hate the idea of offering more when rent is so high in the first place.

Thoughts?

Comments

  • Find another property.

  • Think about it from the Landlords perspective. If you had two exact applications, one was offering more, you'd obviously take a higher rent.

    • Yes I understand that. I just wonder how many are offering more?

      • I did

        • How much above the advertised price do you usually offer?

        • +1

          @chichi: I think $10-$20 extra/week

    • +1

      Not always. Tenant profile and rental history are also important. I'd doubt why a specific application would offer way more than the market price.

      • +1

        No. Tenant profile and rental history matter to if you accept them at all. But if you wouldn't accept a tenant at $X, then it wouldn't be smart to accept them at a higher rate either because the entire risk is that they won't pay - having them at a higher rental doesn't help if they don't pay.

  • I thought the rental person should be a bit of an alarm bell in itself? I'd walk unless you absolutely need to be in that house/area/catchment.

    • Yes they have seemed very unprofessional. But then again I am yet to meet an agent that is (it's just varying degrees).

    • +1

      Why? It's consistent with the tenant breaking the lease and refusing to allow inspections. No landlord will refuse inspections - the potential loss in rentals isn't worth it.

      • +1

        Their email communication was not very professional and bad-mouthing current tenants to potential new tenants is not great IMO.

        • -1

          Personally I don't care about that much at all. No matter how nice an agent is to you, at the end of the day it's all fake because they don't work for you. I only cared about two things from the agent/landlord:

          1. Deal with issues on-time; and
          2. Be reasonable when it came to renew or return my bond.

          And again personally, I've found if you're a good tenant (apparently we were a rare breed), kept the ppty well maintained and paid rent on time, landlords and agents fall over themselves to be fair and reasonable.

  • -1

    I'm not sure what your question is. Put in an application with your budget. If the place is out of your budget, then that's that. You already said:

    We won't be applying for it

    Ok, good?

    • My question isn't about this property. I was just curious about how many people offer more when they apply. Perhaps I should have just straight out asked that instead of adding the first part. I might just delete it.

      • Ah right. Plenty - I used to do this if I really liked a property and the advertised rate was below my budget. Basically my logic is: I have a budget for a location for a ppty with certain characteristics. It doesn't matter how much it's advertised for - my budget is what I consider fair so if I can get more certainty (and save time and effort looking at other properties) by offering above the advertised rate and still be within budget, then a lot of the time I'll do that. I know this is OzB, but my time is worth something to me as well.

        • Yes that's what I'm thinking.

          The property I was talking about jumped quite a bit from what we thought it might be worth (judging by the crappy minimal amount of photos).

        • @chichi: I suspect the advertised price is below market (and so below the budget of people looking to rent in the area) because the landlord knew the lack of inspections might suppress demand. It's probably just jumping back to what the market rate for similar places in the area. It's just an application too, not yet signing an actual lease. You can make signing the lease subject to a lot of things, such as:

          1. Professional clean before moving in;
          2. All inclusions working;
          3. Satisfactory inspection before move-in (this is vague and I personally don't like it).
  • If you havent seen it beware, could be in a bad way or not what you are expecting and breaking the lease will be drawn out

  • +2

    I've offered $10/week more once and we got the property. But I had a cat so I thought it was a fair offer given that other applicants may not have had a pet at all.

    Also as far as I know, at least with the ones I've dealt with lately, agencies won't let you apply for a property until you've inspected it.

    • That's true generally but a tenant breaking a lease and not allowing inspections is so out of the ordinary I'm not really surprised in this situation. A week's worth of lost rentals more than makes up for $10-15 a week in rent so in a lot of cases it's worth renting out slightly below market than to let it sit vacant for any amount of time.

    • I thought that too and have seen listings where they state you can't apply until you've seen the property.

      • I'm not sure about other states, but I was previously told by a few different agencies that it's a legal requirement for Victoria to see the property before signing the lease agreement.

        I guess the application itself can be anytime since the application doesn't bind the applicant in any way (like a lease agreement would).

  • I love the idea of Rental Auctions.

    It is the best way of striking the market price for rents.

    If we had open auctions we wouldn't need secretive silent auctions.

    • back in the boom in WA we sorta did, stories of people putting in an application then waiting around to see if someone else bettered them then upping their application. Of course now the pendulum has swung back and most people start an application below the asking price.

  • I've offered more before and successfully landed it.

    When I first moved here, I was sleeping on my mate's floor for almost a month and there 30-40 people at every inspection I went to and I was getting desperate to actually sleep in a proper bed. I pretty much asked myself why they'd pick me over all the other people. Couldn't think of a reason, so the last inspection I went to, I gave them a reason by offering more.

    If so do you have a set amount (say $10 or so) or do you work off how much your limit/budget is.

    I asked the agent that was there how much extra they thought would help. It does two things - firstly, it puts you on the agent's radar when they do the shortlisting of applicants and; secondly, the landlord isn't going to complain about extra money.

    All depends on how much you want it. If you don't think it's worth it, then simply find somewhere else.

  • +1

    I have never offered more.

    I have never reconsidered an application from someone offering higher rent. In fact, if an applicant offers more, I'd say they are not quite stable.

    • Yeah it sounds like they think there's something wrong with themselves that they need to offer more

      When I was looking a few years ago I offered more on a few places just since I had cats, and all things being equal I would assume a landlord would pick the person without cats. So needed to give myself an edge.

  • Never offered more, offered less twice and got it both times!

    • Nice!

    • Did they got you with rent increases yearly after that?

      Just curious as my landlord had kept my rent the same for 2 years, and was the same for 3 before that. I'm working on the belief that long term renters who pay on time and maintain property get fewer rises - in some cases at least.

      • In the first property yes, but that was 4 years ago and even after two consecutive yearly increases I still wasn't paying the rent originally advertised.

        For the second one, no, not a single increase. In the end it depends on a lot of factors, especially how strong your application is and how many people attended the inspection.

        • You must have offered quite a bit less on that property for it still to be less than the advertised rate!

          There are 2 properties in our area at the moment where they have dropped the price - one quite dramatically. I would be very hesitant to rent that as I imagine the rent would shoot straight up as soon as they could do it.

        • @chichi:

          It needs to be motivated though. In the first one I managed to get it down from 950 to 875. Even with two increases in two years of 25$ we still weren't paying the original amount.

          It was a coastal suburb in Sydney and rent were shooting up like crazy. But even there, they couldn't have increased the rent more than 25$ pw because it would have been too much % wise. They just want it to increase little by little so you can't dispute it.

      • +3

        I have a few friends who own investments properties most have the attitude that if you have a "good tenant"#, you want to keep them. They are quite happy for the rent to be slightly under the market because there is a risk the next one will be a bad tenant and it is not worth the grief for a few extra dollars. I would think the better more experienced property agents would have the same attitude because it makes their life easier.

        "goods tenants"; pay the rent on time, look after the place, are not too demanding and do not upset the neighbourhood.

        • Sweet as, it's all going to plan :)

  • I reluctantly offered $10 more on a $315 p/w place back in Feb when I was desperate and living between hotels. It didn't help but I'd do it again if I had to.

  • +3

    Once, i was interested by a property and the rent was 480$ advertised. We got approved but the the agent told us that there were 2 other couples who were interested and got approved by the owner also. And that if maybe i make a better offer like 500/week i should be able to have it. I didn t appreciate it and told the agent that i won't be bidding for the properties and rather wait and look for something else. Back and forth, the day after the agent called me and said it was mine for the initial price. But i didn t want it anymore. The week after the place was still up for inspection. So, if they advertised for a price and then suggested you that there are a lot of concurrence and you should make a bid, my advice is stay away!! There are always hidden fees, increase of rent later… and if theycan be straight from the beggining who knows what surprise they got for you.

    • +2

      Spot on. Aptly put. I will never trust anyone encouraging bidding for rentals. There is always a better choice. Good luck

  • +1

    I wouldn't apply for a home I hadn't been able to see the inside of (unless I had some other way to know the condition, etc such as knowing the current tenants for example) and I've never offered more than the advertised price (I know people do but I don't want to actively participate in that and encourage RE agents to expect it). We're about to move back into rental after living in our own property for about 7 years. We have an area chosen that we're interested in and know what we're looking for in a house. Our plan will be to approach RE agents shortly about what we need and what they might have coming up in the timeframe we're looking to move. We plan on offering under the listed rental price in exchange for minor improvements like upgrading the gardens, repainting if a place is one of those with ghastly colour schemes etc and we will be offering 6 months of rent up front to ensure we get the property we want. Because we've been out of the rental market for so long, we don't have a rental history to fall back on so we need to find other ways to make us a more attractive prospect to landlords, especially as we have children and outdoor pets (small dogs, a couple of cats, chickens etc). So all of that being said, if things don't go to plan, I will have to revisit the offering less approach because while we don't have a strict time line (I'd like to move in late August/early September), I really don't want to be still looking for a suitable rental by November. I'll be happy to pay the asking rental if it suits our needs but I agree that rents can be expensive and the biggest chunk of a family's income so offering more isn't really an option for some people. If that's how the RE agent wants to play it, it also says a lot about them and doesn't bode well for if you run into issues later.

  • +1

    do not offer more. there will be other properties. a nasty agent will also give you a hard time later. reality I found is sweet agents and landlords will disappear after you sign the else and ask for necessary repairs. hard realities of money make this happen. just put in your applications and you will get one in time. I signed with a desperation I regretted after 1 year. gave notice and got a good reference though I would not give the old agent a good one. the owner also changed agents and the new agents confirmed my suspicions about the old one. But the new agent also was going to abet the landlord in doing minimal repairs. the place is still untenanted after a month in Melb

  • We had a look at the property last night - mainly out of curiosity as we had no intention of offering more money. I have never seen such a huge crowd at an inspection. I think the people that had put in those offers of $480 would have been very disappointed when they finally got to see it. The property was not worth $480 - in fact it wasn't even worth the advertised $430.
    We also found out the owner lives in the house behind. He was hanging over the fence speaking to people.

  • I’ve never offered higher rent and I haven’t had a problem finding places. I have applied for places I haven’t inspected (moving interstate) and this has been fine as the photos in the ad were detailed and accurate.

  • We advertised our rental on facebook and got so many responses we had a bit of a bidding war: and people offering cash to keep it for them rather than show others. I'm sure we could have have played them against each other to get substantially more rent.

    So I have no doubt that it happens for nice places.

    • It has never occurred to me to look on Facebook for a rental. I had a quick look on gumtree a while back and found some pretty awful places.

  • Offering more rent is a slippery slope to start down. Why encourage a situation similar to auctions for a rental? Why do you want to live in a world where the advertised price is just a "guide" and pushes all prices up?
    In my current place I offered $10 LESS as I saw the rent was slightly overpriced compared to a similar property around the corner. Been living here almost three years and the rent went up once.

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