[SCAM ALERT] Another Car Buying Scam Tactic

Just putting this out there for those that are unaware of scams out there. I am in the midst of selling my car on carsales.com.au and guess what? I received email below. Instead of oil rig, RAAF now…LOL!

Where is it located at the moment?what's your final price?Why are you selling it?does it need anything to be replace or repair?I'm a Squadron leader at Royal Australian Air Force(RAAF) and i have been currently deployed .I have limited phone access and that's why i prefer the sales through email.Regarding the payment, I can pay you through direct bank deposit (EFT),using PayPal instant bank wire transfer service.I will need your Account name,BSB and Account number. If you are not comfortable with that, you can set up a PayPal account properly at www.PayPal.com.auand I will make the payment through PayPal,this way, all I will need is your PayPal email address.

I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct.With the issue of my details,transferring the name of ownership and signing of all paperwork will be done by the pick up agent..

Await your reply

Regards

Comments

  • +6 votes

    Sounds like it's the same scam tactic but with a different story?

  • +7 votes

    this is standard story for long time

  • +2 votes

    Everything seems exactly the same… Just another job title in the same remote area.
    Alarm Bells should be ringing no matter what his "job " is.

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    Should really tell him to be more creative next time.

  • +11 votes

    Ask for payment by Western Union, untraceable and if good enough for scammers it must be a good service!

  • +1 vote

    so how does this scam work? looks like he's paying you money? unless he wants to take the car away without money being paid?

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      Yes, I would also like to know how this SCAM works. To me it appears legit? does he claim back though paypal that he did not receive the car or something?

    • +7 votes

      How it works, is the scammer agrees a price for the car, and 'says' he will arrange transport/courier…..But, he says there is a problem, so can he pay you more money to cover the transport and you agree to pay the courier. The scam continues, by sending you a fake paypal (or other) receipt, you think you have been paid, so pay the courier, except its not the courier but the scammer.

      • +5 votes

        Another variation is the scammer 'pays' you too much, sends a fake invoice, and then wants a partial refund of the excess because that money was meant to go to the courier, not to you.

        The oil rig scam has been doing the rounds of gumtree/carsales for many years.

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        Ok so its a fake receipt all together, and you get no money for the car and transport??? And people fall for it? I would be checking my paypal first???

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          Surely Who has fallen for this fake PayPal receipt ?

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          @sidewinder1: almost did. The email looks pretty identical to the PayPal emails. Realised that my PayPal want linked to that account!

        • +1 vote

          Doesn't have to be fake - it can be real…. but from fraudulent funds (hacked credit card, dishonored cheque deposit, etc). That doesn't usually get picked up by the bank until weeks later, and then it gets reversed.

        • +1 vote

          @sidewinder1: Everyone who posts a gumtree scam thread

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          ok thanks all, makes sense now. Dirty Dogs….

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          @Topdog: How does a fake receipt work? Wouldn't a deposit show up your paypal transactions?

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            @EightImmortals: I'm also amazed at how someone could fall for this without checking their PayPal account first. Screw a receipt - before I'm doing anything I'll always check whether there is cleared, accessible money in my account. To be extra sure I'll even withdraw the funds right away to make sure they end up in my bank account. Then and only then will I give away the goods or take the buyer seriously. Before that he's just words on the Internet.

            Thought the entire purpose of PayPal was the convenience of not having to worry about receipts/pending transfers/etc. This isn't the 70s when you cna just say 'yup i mailed you a check you should have it in a few days'

    • +3 votes

      Variation on the cheque fraud scam. Instead of sending you a cheque for [price + transport], they paypal you [price + transport]. They then ask you to pay the transport fee for them.

      Of course - you're now paying them with your money, and once you pay, you'll find that the initial cheque/paypal transfer/eft was from a fraudulent source (as the bank will advise you) and that initial cheque/payment gets cancelled.

      So as an example, say price is $5,000 and they say transport is $500.

      1. They pay you $5,500. (You're +$5,500)

      2. You pay transport $500 (You're +$5,000)

      3. (1) gets cancelled (You're -$500)

      • +3 votes

        Also

        4 . You’re at -1 car as well

        • +3 votes

          I'm not actually sure how many of these scams actually want the goods. There's no actual courier who comes to pick up the car - you'll pay who you think is the courier, no one will show up, and then you're just out the money usually.

  • +3 votes

    Yours sincerely, Wedge Antilles

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    Same old scam, different words.

  • +1 vote

    RAAF, Oil Rig worker, alien that can't land their spaceship near your place… same shit.

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    I had the same one, worked in Darwin with the army

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      That's Life magazine published a story about this guy approximately 3 years ago. I kid you not. He said he was an RAAF worker on deployment, Darwin area, fooled a WA housewife into putting her red Ford Falcon onto a car carrier and sending it to him, she lost around $12k worth. Anyone else recall that article?? He even sent her a driver licence photo of some other random poor person for ID purposes… used the old fake PayPal screenshot trick…

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    What is it with all these deployed workers purporting to be from Darwin all the time?
    There's certainly no evolution in their storyline…

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      Not much evolution in darwin either….

      joking, its a lovely part of australia, check it out sometime. Barramundi and chips

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    How do they scam with the EFT?

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      EFT transfers aren't instant, and even a transfer that's cleared isn't guaranteed, because a bank has to balance convenience and security - once a transfer passes the first level of checks, the bank will clear it.

      The scam works because the actual transfer is actually legit. The scam happens because the source funds themselves are fraudulent, either a bad cheque, or a hacked CC, etc. Once that's discovered, the first bank notifies the second bank (the victim's bank) and the second bank reverses the transfer.

  • +1 vote

    In the above example if you pay the shipping fee of $500 to them & then $5000 gets reversed bcos of fraud can't you in return request your $500 back bcos of fraud & go on your merry way?

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      The full $5,500 gets reversed not just the $5,000.

      And while you can request it back, the bank wouldn't help you. They only reverse the initial transfer because the transfer itself was fraudulent. Your transfer of the $500 isn't fraudulent - you actually had that money in your account, you intentionally transferred it to the destination account.

      (And the scammer won't let you transfer it using a way that you can appeal to, like Paypal for example.)

      Your only options would be to lodge a police report (good luck) or sue them yourself (also good luck).

      • +1 vote

        For the $500 courier fee, afaik, they request that payment via Western union.

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    Yes $5500 gets reversed of which you can argue to PayPal $500 is your legit cash in the fraud which you had no knowledge or part of as such return what's yours. Which they can easily do if the bank said its a fraud.
    So won't you get your $500 back without much of a hassle?

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      Afaik, the scammers request the courier fee to be transfered via Western union. So no point in arguing with PayPal - if you did fall for the scam.

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    What about the transfer documentation? I have not sold a car for a while, but I thought that the transfer documents required each party to provide details of their license, address etc, so in doing the transfer document, you have to produce a license (or at least the seller should sight it).

    Also, it seems like this scam is clearly obtaining financial advantage by deception (if for example the source of the transferred funds were not legit i.e. stolen credit card, then criminal intent could be established by the fact that the source of the funds was stolen), so then how does the theft register the car, if it is stolen, as the whole transaction is tainted by the initial theft/deception?

    I assume this scam works, because otherwise people would not do it, but I am trying to understand how they end up free and clear with a car.

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      The scammers don't care and don't want your car , hence why they don't check if the car is a lemon like genuine buyers do.

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    Take the money and tell him the good news - you'll personally drive it to him/her at her chosen time and place!

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    RAAF eh? AFP next?

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    Isn't this old news?

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    This is old scam.It was happened once.

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    Would be great if the defence man sends cash through the courier to pick the car. Try doing that next time.

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    If this scam is so common, why don't the police set up a honeypot and wait for the scammer to rock up?

    • +2 votes

      Because even the police know the scammers aren't interested in the car, they just want the money. Plus, there's too many and they mainly operate overseas. It's like the aust police trying to set a honey pot for the "ATO who wants to be paid with iTunes gift cards"

      This kind of scam is very common and old

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    Jurisdictional issues probably prohibit the honeypot approach.

    I'm more curious about the recipient withdrawing the funds before the scammer reverses the transaction. What then?

    The whole point of the new funds transfer system being so fast is they should have enough identifiable information on the sender that they can chest the funds with confidence.

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      Either

      1. You actually get funds into your account, most likely from a hacked account. Bank will reverse the money, if you withdrew the money, then your account might go into the negatives.

      2. The money never actually landed in your account. The receipt you got from "PayPal" was fake, they're hoping you're greedy and gullible enough to not check your PayPal account and pay the "courier" via Western union with your real money (or similar payment system with zero protection).

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    Yeah I have had that BS from some guy who was on an oil rig in WA. Said he would pay me by paypal, I said no and after toing and froing with emails, I said to him why don't you give the cash or a bank cheque to the agent who is going to pick up the car? Never heard from him again.

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    I got exactly the same message as the top one aside from the fact that he is no longer in the RAAF, he is now a FIFO worker. He was able to produce a fake drivers licence when asked too. Now going by the name Kim Phillips and using [email protected] as the email. Beware!!

  • +1 vote

    I just received one of these emails. First time selling a car wasn't sure what's going on. Sent over bank details, will anything happen in terms of hacking into my account etc. I noticed it was a scam because I got the second in the same format but different emails.. :/

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    Thanks for this thread. Was corresponding with a [email protected] and I came upon this thread thinking the situation was too strange to be true. Now I know!

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    Same old story - this time he is working in the WA mines!!
    Watch out for George Manuel - [email protected]

    From my friend George:
    "I was about to make the payment when i had a little problem with the pick up arrangement, My pick up agent says I will need to pay for the pick up fee before they can schedule pickup date, they charged $1,850.00 AUD for the pick up, but the problem is they only accept Skrill Transfer for the form of payment

    I have tried to see if I could get the money sent to them through Skrill website, but unfortunately my credit card as expired and I am not back in town yet to request for another one, I will add the $1,850.00 AUD to the amount I am transferring for your item and you will help me to make the Skrill Transfer of the freighting fee through Skrill online. through www.skrill.com is very easy to set up. I will appreciate your help here and thanks for your understanding.

    Regards,
    George"

    Nice try George …!

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    Same scam and got my details through car sales.
    The person is now using the name Kim Phillips and email address [email protected]
    Claims to be a remote worker working on oil riggs based in Darwin.
    Thank you to your posts

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    What a disappointment. I received the following email from [email protected]

    Where is it located at the moment? what's your final price? Why are you selling it? does it need anything to be replace or repair? I'm cool with the condition as described on the advert. I work for Fly In Fly Out (FIFO)Mining Oil and Gas and we are presently in remote area .We do not have access to phone at the moment and that's why I contacted you with internet messaging facility. Regarding the payment, I can pay you through direct bank deposit (EFT),using PayPal instant bank wire transfer service. I will need your Account name, BSB and Account number. If you are not comfortable with that, you can set up a PayPal account properly at www.PayPal.com.au and I will make the payment through PayPal, this way, all I will need is your PayPal email address.

    I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your account. With the issue of my details, transferring the name of ownership and signing of all paperwork will be done by the pick up agent. If you are not comfortable with that, you can cancel the registration and i will buy Unregistered.

    Await your reply

    Same scam in 2020. Thanks to all who posted on this forum. You saved me time and money.

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      Created a Carsales ad and I received a txt message a couple of hours later from a guy called Kim - which i believe was generated from Carsales itself.

      The first message was…
      "I'm interested in your vehicle you listed ,contact me to ([email protected]) if you still have it."

      I found this thread after a quick search of his email address and thought i'd post this.

      I have just created a new email address and i now endevour to entertain his scam. lol

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    I have just had same guy try it out on me. I did give him Bank Account details as seemed legit at first and thought how can I loose if fund go into my account.

    I was sus so contacted bank and the bank suggested setting up a seperate account just for this transaction just incase.

    This george said he was going to pay and got the same BS regarding expired credit card and pay courier for him with extra funds he would send through so I could pay courier through Scrill.com

    This is his latest email name: [email protected]

    Here are his messages:

    Thanks for getting back,i'm cool with the price likewise the condition as described on the advert,I work on a remote mine site in Perth WA presently. and the reception is terrible. We do not have access to phone at the moment, which is why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.

    Regarding the payment,i will be paying you through PayPal linked up with my Nab bank account,please get back to me with your PayPal details so i can process the payment,you can alternatively send your bsb acct name and number if you have no PayPal acct.I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin NT after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct

    Regards,
    George

    We good to go now,I will transfer the fund into your account soon. Please am trying to sort out with the pick up agent though am having little problem with them now but hope to sort it out soon. i will email you when am done with the payment.

    PS:Please confirm the price once again because i don’t want any misunderstanding

    Regards,
    George.

    I was about to make the payment when i had a little problem with the pick up arrangement, My pick up agent says I will need to pay for the pick up fee before they can schedule pickup date, they charged $2,500.00 AUD for the pick up, but the problem is they only accept Skrill Transfer for the form of payment

    I have tried to see if I could get the money sent to them through Skrill website, but unfortunately my credit card as expired and I am not back in town yet to request for another one, I will add the $2,500.00 AUD to the amount I am transferring for your item and you will help me to make the Skrill Transfer of the freighting fee through Skrill online. through www.skrill.com is very easy to set up. I will appreciate your help here and thanks for your understanding.

    Regards,
    George

    Not sure how he ends up with any money but definatley a scammer.

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    This scam is still being used today. Looking on Carsguide.com yesterday to buy a vehicle we noticed here was a difference between the headline for a vehicle for sale in Melbourne " 2012, Hyundai, I30, Active Registration: 1BL6RK and the narrative which said "2014 Hyundai i30 Trophy Automatic registration 1BL6WC" advertised for $6,500 too good to be true. I sent of an enquiry anyway & got a reply from the seller claiming to be [email protected] there was even a photo attached showing the alleged person holding their drivers licence. She said she was currently in Tassie so was the car, with her squad for special training and was going to NZ at the end of the month for 3 years. She promised to arrange delivery of the vehicle to my house at no cost to me & let me keep it for 7 days & return it if I was not happy. However the payment would be made to a company called Escrow.com who would hold the payment & not release it until I was totally happy with the vehicle. I did not go any further through with the sale as I certainly don't want to deal with a third party and I smelled a rat as I know their are no air force bases in Tassie I also have friends in the defence force & this is a bullshit email address. I have contacted carsguide.com and they have immediately taken down the ad. I just thought you ought to alert buyers on your website to look out for this still going only using Escrow.com instead of Western Union or Paypal

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    Same guy just tried to scam me with a car I just advertised on carsales.com.au. Same name but working FIFO in Darwin. I asked for a copy of his drivers licence (for the transfer form) and he sent me on with the address of Durak, NT. Date of birth in 1958.

    His email was almost identical to that at the start of this post. He also rang me this morning (first contact) and sounded quite convincing. The emails that followed were quite a different tone.

    Glad I google his name and city (Kim Phillips Darwin) and this scam alter was the first item!!. Thanks

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    Latest version:

    SMS sent from +61491605182
    Timothy Martin
    [email protected]
    NT Drivers License supplied.

    Email:
    "Thanks for getting back, am pleased with the condition as described on the advert,I work on a remote site,Does it have any history I should be aware of and why are you selling?

    Regarding the payment, i will be paying you through PayPal or ETF (Bank Transfer),please get back to me with your BSB, Acct name & Number so i can process the payment, you can alternatively send your PayPal payment details as i can also pay into your Paypal acct.

    I've contacted my agent who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Palmerston City after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct.

    Await your reply"

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    Latest version:
    Renee Fitzgerald <[email protected]>

    Where is it located at the moment? what's your final price? Why are you selling it? does it need anything to be replace or repair? I'm cool with the condition as described on the advert. I work for Fly In Fly Out (FIFO)Mining Oil and Gas and we are presently in remote area .We do not have access to phone at the moment and that's why I contacted you with internet messaging facility. Regarding the payment, I can pay you through direct bank deposit (EFT),using PayPal instant bank wire transfer service. I will need your Account name, BSB and Account number. If you are not comfortable with that, you can set up a PayPal account properly at www.PayPal.com.au and I will make the payment through PayPal, this way, all I will need is your PayPal email address.

    I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your account. With the issue of my details, transferring the name of ownership and signing of all paperwork will be done by the pick up agent. If you are not comfortable with that, you can cancel the registration and i will buy Unregistered.

    Await your reply

    Regards

    Have reported to [email protected]

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    He is at it again, just put a car up this morning and within an hour got a text and asked to converse through email - [email protected]. sound to good to be true so we googled "George Manuel Darwin" and bingo Scam Alert !!

    Thanks for getting back,i'm cool with the price likewise the condition as described on the advert,I work on a remote mine site in Perth WA presently. and the reception is terrible. We do not have access to phone at the moment only fair since the NBN took over the sat service from Skymesh, which is why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.

    Regarding the payment,i will be paying you through PayPal linked up with my Nab bank account,please get back to me with your PayPal details so i can process the payment,you can alternatively send your bsb acct name and number if you have no PayPal acct.I have also contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin NT after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct.

    Regards,
    George

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