Hi All,
I need some advice on what to do.
I have been in contact with a dog breeder and paid a deposit for a particular dog. The breeder changed their mind and decided that they wanted to keep the dog. They offered us another dog and we accepted to take this dog.
We were due to pick up this dog this week and have spent a considerable amount of money getting ready for this dog.
The breeder has now changed their mind and refuses to sell us the dog.
What can/should we do?
Please help!
Get your money back.
If he is a registered breeder. Report him. Tell him that you are too.
Give him a bad review on forums and google.
Keep trolling him depending on how entertaining it is to you.
Money exchanged hands. At the very least this is a contract of sale. May be hard to enforce if it is verbal and no paper trail. Enforcement aside, the legalities is that you have a binding contract.
we have an invoice which says that when the deposit is paid, the dog will be retained until the pick up date. this date had been agreed upon via email correspondence.
The receipt is more important. The invoice is non actionable if payment was not remitted.
That's ur contract. That's all you need in small claims
If they had done this to me I would certainly be upset too. Asking for a discount sounds VERY reasonable when they see switched dogs.
Honestly if it were me, I would start a claim in the small claims court. To be clear, this would be more for punitive purposes for them wasting my time/money. Not sure if it would actually achieve anything, but from my understanding you are expected to self represent, and I don't think you can get hit with paying the others costs (confirm for yourself). Likely a minimal fee to commence.
If nothing else and regardless of outcome it should succeed in wasting some of their time/money too. Maybe give them a scare when they see the summons. Also, I want to learn the process so I feel more confident using it when it really matters. :)
thanks, i appreciate the support. i'm currently considering my options.
This seems like a huge waste of time for OP. The breeder will say the dogs sold and then what ? What sort of damages will you go for if specific performance is not available. Not sure of OPs circumstances but he/she will need to take a day off work possibly more. Fill in the application, gather the evidence and VCAT in Vic is around $200 not exactly pocket change
Binding contract. LOL. What if the dog died? What happens to that contract then? The breeder doesn't want to sell the dog for whatever reason. As long as they return the deposit then that's all that one can expect from them. If the OP wants to take them to court, then go ahead. It will cost them an arm and a leg and they still won't get the dog they wanted in the time frame they wanted.
The OP is free to share their story on as many forums as they wish.
What if the dog died? What happens to that contract then?
The deposit has to be refunded because the seller cannot fulfil the contract and the circumstances are out of the seller's control. The deposit is refunded and the contract is nullified.
The breeder doesn't want to sell the dog for whatever reason.
A change of heart isn't a valid reason for breaching contract.
As long as they return the deposit then that's all that one can expect from them.
One should expect another to honour a contract.
If the OP wants to take them to court, then go ahead. It will cost them an arm and a leg and they still won't get the dog they wanted in the time frame they wanted.
Again, enforcing a contract may not be pleasant nor financially feasible. It's a case of "pick your battles".
tvshow is correct, I'm currently doing business law at uni.
@iphoneors7: I'm afraid there is a technicality @tshow is missing, namely that we're dealing with dog breeders and owners - different laws and logic apply which overide all federal, state and common law
Replace dog with bike. What if it was stolen from the shop?
Despite the emotions in this thread it appears to be a contract like any other.
There is arguably a binding contract. You'll never get specific performance though, unless you're looking at spending $10k+ in legal fees.
From OP's point of view, to make them happy specific performance and would mean:
No, specific performance means enforcing the contract - i.e. court orders the breeder to hand over the original selected puppy.
@HighAndDry: well it means compensating for breach of contract in general
but whatever - I was mainly trying for laughs with my point 4 relating to @jelko relecting how do you hand over the originally selected puppy if the dog dies.
OP will never get specific performance, full stop.
Specific performance is not available as a remedy if an award of damages (i.e money) would be adequate. I'm assuming the following is not the case: (a) the dog that was to be received is particularly, amazingly unique; and (b) OP would be in a terrible way without it, such that no amount of money could fix the issue.
Oh yeah I agree with you. There's a slight (as in 0.00000000000001%) chance that (a) might actually be true, seeing it's a breeder's puppy…. theoretically, if this was a law school assignment. That kinda deal.
OP I feel for you. That really sucks. But, and not trying to bismirch breeders here, why not adopt as an alternative? Though, of course many people will have had no issues with a breeder, you really can pick up a marvellous dog from a pound.
Also, what sort of breeder refuses to sell their dogs? Seems to be a rather wrong header approach to business.
This sounds like the makings of a sit-com episode, where the OP’s character would end up just taking the dog, which I don’t advise by the way.
i have my heart set on this breed and they just don't exist on adoption sites otherwise I would.
I see. That’s really frustrating. I really hope you can get it sorted.
i have my heart set on this breed
That's really no different than "I have my heart set on this puppy, and this puppy isn't on adoption sites." Don't pretend that "having your heart set on…" means you have no control over your feelings, that's a cop-out.
You want to buy from a breeder and not adopt. Fine. At least own the decision.
HighAndDry
That's really no different than "I have my heart set on this puppy, and this puppy isn't on adoption sites." Don't pretend that "having your heart set on…" means you have no control over your feelings, that's a cop-out.
You want to buy from a breeder and not adopt. Fine. At least own the decision.
This is total crap. I also want a certain kind of dog that isn't available to adopt. We're talking about a 15 year commitment here. I want what i want for that 15 years. I don't want what someone else didn't want and isn't what i want.
What is it about this that you can understand?
I want what i want
I remember my 3 year old nephew saying that once. Great logic then and apparently still used by a lot of people.
@HighAndDry: You can never compare a Maltese to a Fox Terrier or some mixed breed, so it is and will remain, valid logic when used for something you're going to have in your home for at least 15 years.
@snook: Sure, and if you asked a dog owner, you couldn't compare their Maltese to another Maltese either. So again, we're back to the fact that your logic is the same as "I want this particular puppy and you can't find this puppy in adoption centers."
@HighAndDry: I've had lots of Maltese and they are all different so that logic would only apply to stupid people.
Pure bred Maltese don't exist in adoption centres.
I've had lots of Maltese and they are all different
So one maltese isn't the same as another then?
so that logic would only apply to stupid people.
So…. when you said:
"You can never compare a Maltese to a Fox Terrier",
I was right to say you'd also say you can't compare a maltese to another maltese…?
Did you just call yourself stupid? Because you seem to be proving me right when I say:
your logic is the same as "I want this particular puppy and you can't find this puppy in adoption centers."
I was right to say you'd also say you can't compare a maltese to another maltese…?
I said only a stupid person would say that their Maltese was better than someone else's
Did you just call yourself stupid? Because you seem to be proving me right when I say: your logic is the same as "I want this particular puppy and you can't find this puppy in adoption centers."
I already said you can't find a pure bred Maltese in an adoption centre and if that's what someone wants, then that's what they want.
I've had Maltese since 1986. I've tried a few crossbreeds since then and they aren't the same. Specific breeds have specific traits and there's no getting around that … so your logic remains null and void.
Specific breeds have specific traits and there's no getting around that … so your logic remains null and void.
No getting around that…. other than adjusting your preferences? Or are you literally saying you can't control your feelings? I mean, can someone who likes Shark Fin soup use the same logic? I only like shark fin soup, you can't duplicate the texture and flavour with anything else, sorry can't help it?
@HighAndDry: Lol, so you're saying that people should adjust their preferences from a specific breed they like/love/want/prefer to just 'a dog' because a dog is a dog is a dog?
That's not how it is. If it were the case, then no one should have preference for a life partner, because all people are the same.
@snook: Also, a pet isn't a necessity. Not buying a pet is still better than buying one from a breeder, because that encourages more breeders which leads to surplus dogs and puppies who also get invariably put down.
@HighAndDry: Surplus puppies from reputable breeders are more to do with ignorant owners. No dog or puppy of mine has ended up as "surplus".
@snook: Ah, you're a breeder? That'd explain things. Well, no point arguing with someone who has a vested interest. Carry on I guess.
Surplus puppies from reputable breeders are more to do with ignorant owners.
Puppies aren't bred to order. They're there whether or not the breeder finds an owner for them.
@HighAndDry: I'm not a breeder. I've had 4 litters in 30 years.
I had to wait over a year for each dog. I then had a litter of puppies knowing that they all had homes for 15+ years. I had the litter because my dogs are pure bred with pedigrees that are in no way related, and came from different states. Both of them have outstanding personalities, character and health.
There's a big difference here. I chose breeders that only breed Maltese and i'm sorry to say, they are bred to order from these places. They wait until they have people to take them and then they'll have a litter. That's why I had to wait. A quality litter of pups is a lot of work.
Also, a pet isn't a necessity. Not buying a pet is still better than buying one from a breeder, because that encourages more breeders which leads to surplus dogs and puppies who also get invariably put down.
Neither are children a necessity, but people keep having them which encourages more. This leads to a surplus that can't get jobs and others end up paying for them. Many should probably be put down but we haven't got that far yet have we.
people keep having them which encourages more.
This is far and away not the same as the fact that breeders making money off buyers incentivises more. Something similar was the baby bonus, which I also think is stupid.
Also - you're equating pets with children. What's wrong with you?
Personally for me the breeds of dogs available at the shelter are not appealing. They are either extremely old or the type of dogs formerly owned by bogans (pitbull cross, etc).
What you said is probably your impression but that is absolutely not correct.
All of my dogs are rescued dog. One is a Jack Russel, extremely smart and loyal. Another one is an Australian terrier, also very brave and royal, and another one is a Papillon, cute as a button. They all had some issues in the first few weeks, which is understandable because they were in a new environment, were in the pounds for a long time and possibly abused previously. With a bit of love and patient, they are the best dogs that I can dream of.
Many people around me also adopt pets from the pound and none of them regrets their decisions so far.
Get your deposit back and find another breeder. Case closed.
There are lots of breeders out there.
Well now you've spent all that money you are ready for any puppy. We are talking about a puppy, right? Find another one.
How old was the puppy when you looked at it?
Did you ask the breeder why they changed their mind?
Breeders usually hold on to puppies that have show dog potential but to hold on to the entire litter until such a time that potential can be observed may mean being stuck with an entire litter.
Some dodgy breeders will take a deposit for the puppies and ditch their obligation if there is a puppy with potential. Essentially, they get a customer to travel, invest time, emtion and money, so they have a fall back plan. The buyer OTOH, thinks they are a customer but they are actually just free (actually, even better than free) insurance for the breeder.
Perfect cake and eat it too scenario.
Sounds a likelu scenario. I have a friend who owns some show dogs. Apparently they are an intensely competitive bunch, even to the point where they will do anything for the prestige of winning, even though they don't make money from winning shows. My friend told me he and his wife ended up with a bunch of haters, for no other reason but their dogs won alot, so others got jealous and angry about it.
they said due to the circumstances. I said what specifically about the circumstances and then they hung up on me. classy as.
Letter of demand, then court!
Adopt, don't shop.
anyone who buys dogs from breeders hates dogs. you're supporting people creating new dogs, when we already have a dog surplus. This means you're actually murdering a dog that you could have picked up from a shelter who is now getting put down. you're a horrible person
^this
I lost so much respect for former friends of mine who bought a dog from a breeder because they “didn’t know what sort of troublesome dog” they might get from a shelter. The $2000 (presumably inbred) doberman they got is so stupid it trips over its own feet, jumps on you constantly, doesn’t listen to any commands even at 1 1/2 years old and cost them another 20k in vet bills after getting a turkey bone stuck in its throat, which snowballed into more problems. It also has a skin condition and a couple of other health problems.
OP if you’re considering getting a dog, please do as others suggest and get one from a shelter that actually needs a home.
Good breeders are VERY particular about their animals bloodline and do not engage in inbreeding… even going as far as to import sperm from overseas for breeding purposes.
It is after all in their interests to maintain healthy stock… they earn more from it.
And there are many good reasons to buy from a breeder, oh just pick up a dog from the pound? What do you think the odds are of finding a Golden Retriever puppy that will play nice and not be a danger to young children/babies? Want to recommend a 4 year old, possibly mistreated, pitbull for a young family? Plenty of them available for adoption.. plenty of difficulty finding other breeds though.
Just because there are some bad breeders, and some people who are irresponsible when purchasing (such that their dogs end up in shelters) this does not mean that good breeders should be tarnished with a bad name nor people be dissuaded from buying from them.
It is a valid business and they are valid to make purchases from.
(*not a breeder, don't have a dog, just disappointed when I see people uncritically pump out media/leftist/green/virtue signalling drivel).
And there are many good reasons to buy from a breeder, oh just pick up a dog from the pound? What do you think the odds are of finding a Golden Retriever puppy that will play nice and not be a danger to young children/babies? Want to recommend a 4 year old, possibly mistreated, pitbull for a young family? Plenty of them available for adoption.. plenty of difficulty finding other breeds though.
This part is the only part I have any problem with.
Clearly if people have specific requirements such as young children in the house, you would adopt a dog that suits those requirements. Most adoption places are very specific about which animals they adopt out to which people. My dog for example was specifically said no young children. Not because he is aggressive, but because he is a 35kg boofhead that doesn't understand his size.
Also with a more mature dog, you can observe his temperament, whereas a puppy, you have no idea what they will grow into. The puppy genes don't guarantee a specific temperament.
And yes I would recommend a 4yo English/American Staffordshire Terrier (Please don't say Pitbull unless you are referring to an American Pit Bull Terrier, that's media talk) as long as it has been evaluated by a dog behaviorist and deemed suitable. Staffies are amazing dogs in general. It's the ones that are raised by arseholes that make the news.
@AdosHouse: Staffies are exactly the type of dog pounds are overflowing with. They appeal to bogans, the type of people who want a 'tough' dog, treat it poorly, and dump it.
There's no way I'd get a Staffy.
Like someone said, nice family dogs are relatively rare at the pound, this is because people who buy nice dogs keep them. People buying from breeders are not the problem here.
@bmerigan: The pounds are overflowing with them because tonnes of people want them, and like every other breed, people dump them when they are no longer puppies. Problem is there is too many staffies to start with.
I've met a LOT of Staffies in my days, and never met a mean one. Most were either hyperactive, spinny, and fun nutcases, or calm and sweet and great with little kids. Sometimes both. Never get in the way of a nutcase Staffie doing zoomies.
The reason I don't meet mean Staffies, I don't associate with arseholes who want a "tough" dog.
I have friends that have rescue Staffies, and they are love bugs.
I even had a lost Staffie come up to me the other day when I left work at 4am. Lovely dog, took him home, gave him food and drink, and put him to bed until I woke up. Took him outside to go to the toilet and he got on well with my nutcase dog. He was very lovely, and spent about 30 minutes trying to lick my face.
English/American Staffordshire Terrier (Please don't say Pitbull unless you are referring to an American Pit Bull Terrier,
Beth English and American staffs are pitbulls.
Putbulls aren't a breed but a type of dog.
@AdosHouse: Well said Adoshouse.
Bull-terriers were historically used to guard nurseries in the UK. More recently, the famous dog trainer Caesar (whether you like him or not), smitten with Staffy’s, recommended, trained, and fostered them, among other breeds, provided their personal temperament was relatively suitable and appropriate for children.
Police historically used German Sheppards for suspect recovery, these are dogs that are trained to subdue (attack) people, the police didn’t use Staffy’s or Bull-terriers, because they weren’t suitable due to their size, and yet the public has been conditioned to fear Staffy’s due to misuse amongst elements of criminal enterprise, and therein lies the answer, it’s not the dog, it’s the handler who is at fault.
The idea that any particular breed is inherently dangerous is tosh. Recent attacks on children have been from so-called safe-breeds, such as Retrievers, and attacks are not isolated to Staffy’s or Bull-terriers. Idiots adopt, or buy Staffy’s (and similar breeds) in the hopes that they’ll (owner) appear tough or hard, when in reality they have no business owning any breed of dog, and so called safe-breeds in the hands of such recklessly irresponsible owners would result in very likely similar attacks on innocent people.
If centres such as the RSPCA were incapable of selecting suitable dogs for adoption to families they simply wouldn’t exist by now. The number of dogs adopted out by the RSPCA and the law of averages dictates that countless numbers of people would have been attacked by dogs by now, which just isn’t the case.
The RSPCA evaluates their animals carefully and dogs not appropriate are destroyed.
Further information for those who might be interested.
https://www.caninejournal.com/dog-bite-statistics/
https://www.avma.org/news/javmanews/pages/171115a.aspx
@BertieBrown: "The idea that any particular breed is inherently dangerous is tosh. Recent attacks on children have been from so-called safe-breeds, such as Retrievers, and attacks are not isolated to Staffy’s or Bull-terriers. Idiots adopt, or buy Staffy’s (and similar breeds) in the hopes that they’ll (owner) appear tough or hard, when in reality they have no business owning any breed of dog, and so called safe-breeds in the hands of such recklessly irresponsible owners would result in very likely similar attacks on innocent people."
This is simply not true. If you look at the data the majority of attacks have come from Pit bulls. A great documentary i recommend is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFa8HOdegZA
@sam91: What I’m getting at Sam91 is that if Golden Retrievers were used for pit fighting, they’d considered a dangerous breed, but just because Golden Retrievers aren’t used for pit fighting by scum bags, it doesn’t mean they’re inherently safe, it means that less of them attack people. The two aren’t directly correlated.
No dog breed is inherently dangerous. It’s how the dog is raised, trained, and kept. I’m not talking about how many attacks occur, I’m saying that no dog breed is inherently dangerous. The most commonly used firearm in crime is a handgun, but that doesn’t mean shotguns are safe. Any dog, like any tool, or any gun when mistreated and abused can be dangerous.
It’s unfortunate that the majority of attacks occur from a range of breeds, including German Shephards & Chihuahuas, but it doesn’t mean that those dogs are bred to attack.
So I guess by saying that more attacks occur from Staffordshire Bull Terriers means that all Staffordshire Bull Terriers are dangerous dogs, just isn’t realistic or representative of how the vast majority of that breed actually behaves, which if you ask many owners, will tell you they’re not ‘by default’ aggressive dogs.
I was bitten on the face by a Blue Heeler, but statistically Blue Heelers aren’t considered as a bad-breed.
@BertieBrown: I think some breeds are more dangerous, not because the are inherently aggressive, but because of how powerful they are.
Even if a dog like a chihuahua is super aggressive, it's never going to cause serious harm to a person just because of it's size and tiny mouth.
Conversely a dog like a staffy can very quickly cause major injuries to an adult and even kill them.
There is a reason particular breeds were/are used for dog fighting, it's because they are the strongest breeds and the best at fighting.
@IamEzza: But, (sounds so lame to start a reply with but, however) Staffordshire Bull Terriers aren't the strongest dogs. Mastiff's have the highest bite force, and I'd consider Husky's probably as one of the strongest breeds. It's also relative, as any dog, including a Poodle, can cause tremendous damage to someone. A chihuahua that attacks a child's face if they're asleep for instance is just as bigger risk, if not more so, than the dog considered a hazard, which people don't become complacent around.
I totally understand where you're coming from, but there are many dogs that are larger, with a higher bite force than a Staffy, which people consider safe breeds that are much more capable of seriously hurting someone, which again, is largely not the case, because most often the people that own those breeds don't mistreat, abuse or neglect them.
and they are valid to make purchases from.
Sure, and it leads to other dogs and puppies being killed. Nothing you say changes that fact.
@HighAndDry: Person A buys dog B from person C, (transaction Z) fails to be able to take care of it and it ends up in the pound.
Persons DEFGHIJKLM…….(25 million people) do not purchase that dog and so it is put to sleep.
Person N buys dog O from person P (Transaction Y)… HighAndDry the moralistic places blame on dog B's death with N. Ridiculous.
Something for you to realise - people that are not a party to a deal (transaction Z) are not morally liable or responsible for the consequences of that deal.
Person C drinks themselves to the point of liver failure… person B is responsible or their death because they didn't donate their liver to save them. HighAndDry Logic.
@HighAndDry: All I have gotten from seeing your prolific nature on Ozbargain, typically in a disagreeable guise, is how without merit the rest of your life must be.
@HighAndDry: Are you kidding? By volume of messages, specifically arguing with other people you would easily be number one with a bullet on this site.
Whether it is fame or infamy is up to interpretation ;)
But breeds of dogs are already inbred. Hence why they show specific characteristics such as temperament and physical looks. Breeding within the same breed is already limiting that gene pool. Specific breeds have specific problems brought on by a very tiny genetic pool. So saying breeders do not engage in inbreeding seems to be a very unscientific view of dog breeding!
@lainey13: Lainey13 Unscientific?
Perhaps you should try comprehension before going for insults.
I was opening some space up for the truth that not all dog breeds are suffering issues from being significantly inbred (or would be deemed as being significantly inbred) and that responsible breeders exist that pay significant attention to the ancestry of their breeding stock & partners to specifically avoid the issues of inbreeding.
Specifically inbreeding becomes an issue where populations have been closely bred over a period of time and the breeding pool kept very small. This is true of some breeds, not others. And except for the fact that often the choice of partner is consciously made by a breeder none of the science is any different to any other animal (sheep, pigs, cows, birds etc) or even humans. Just because a breed/species/sub-species/race/sub-group exists, does not mean necessarily that continuing breeding solely within that group causes problems. On the contrary, as selective breeding can build in problems, it can also eliminate them.
Problems will occur where the breeding pool has been small, has experienced significant close inbreeding (between close familial pairs.. father-daughter, grandmother-son, cousin-cousin etc), and will continue to be so. Where a breed has a large population of breeding stock & incestuous breeding is kept to a minimum by responsible breeders inbreeding is not an issue.
If we take a look at humans, Japanese & Pakistani Muslims. Japanese have been isolated on a small island, for a great deal of time, but culturally inbreeding was frowned upon and was not prevalent… there is not an issue with Japanese inbreeding despite them having a small pool (relative to all humanity) to breed within. Pakistani's, who culturally practice cousin marriage, have significant issues with inbreeding and a much greater prevalence of certain genetic diseases and abnormalities than equivalent populations.
Reputable breeders of dogs pay attention to the lifetime health of the dogs they breed, sires & dames are selected based on their genetic health, the genetic health of their offspring, the ABSENCE of congestive conditions in themselves and their offspring, and based on genetic distance from their partner.
I am not saying other breeders do not exist, yes inbred dog populations exist, yes some breeders will inbreed out of laziness or because of the opportunity to accentuate perceived positives of a particular breeding pair >>> like in all purchases investigating these things requires some due diligence. There is no absolute in pound dogs/mongrel dogs good / pedigree dogs/breeder dogs bad.
And the fact that a breed exists, is not enough to say that it is inbred. All of life shares roots, to some degree most of the genetic variance we see in the world has inbreeding in parts of its genetic history.. if we are going to use the term inbred to describe every dog breed then you'd have to do it for every form of animal life in existence.
Dobermans are one of the smarter breeds… are you sure it's not the owner? Almost always with untrained dogs it's the owner that's to blame…
(e.g. how did the dog get hold of a turkey bone?)
I definitely agree that breeders can be pretty scummy though.
Many shelters (I'd hazard to say all shelters because I have yet to encounter one that does not do this) let potential adopters spend as much time as they like with their dogs because they know how much it sucks for the dog to get returned again. They let you take them for a walk. You can tell how a dog will be like just by spending a couple of hours with it (thats a day in dog time lol).
Sometimes people want a puppy for the malleability but a puppy needs a lot more time, commitment and energy.
We were super lucky to get our shelter dog. Doesn't bark and doesn't destroy stuff (only discarded wrapping). Was not trained before us but picks up most commands within several tries. Was wondering why nobody picked him up before us.
Another weird observation is that I don't see some pedigree/pure breed owners even bothering to train their dogs. What?
I have no respect for you with your fake championing passion for dogs when you clearly just have a dislike for your former friends dog, for no real reason at all call it stupid and go on to list things that are of no fault of its own.
A "stupid, presumably inbred" Doberman should be loved as much as a purebred or shelter dog.
Everything you said could have happened with a shelter dog.
I don’t have a passion for dogs and admittedly don’t love every dog I meet (mostly due to bad owners). I just hate people who buy a dog from a dog pimp, don’t train it, neglect it because it won’t obey, then dump it at the shelter when they can’t control it or when the novelty wears off and having it around becomes an inconvenience. Happens so often with yuppie idiots who have a dog bred for them instead of adopting, because they assume a shelter dog is “there for a reason”. Yes, that reason is another yuppie idiot had one bred for them, didn’t train it, neglected it, then dumped it there when it became inconvenient. It’s a growing problem and a lot of people are still unaware that if a shelter dog isn’t adopted, they will be euthanized.
I agree that I disliked my friend’s dog for reasons that are no fault of its own and the term “stupid” may be a little harsh, but that doesn’t change the fact that the dog is not very smart for a dog considered to be a smart breed.
Everything you said could have happened with a shelter dog.
Some things, yes. But if you’ve ever been to a shelter, you would know they do a health check and will let you know if the dog has a medical condition that requires ongoing treatment -something you likely wouldn’t find out until much later if you bought a dog from a pimp.
@Some Human: Here is something to consider Super Kami Dende…
…how many dogs that have come from reputable breeders, so pure ANYTHING… actually end up being a nuisance at dog shelters and end up getting put to death?
Let me illustrate:
Desirable dog A, B, C, D from breeders (cost $1500+), very high in demand (why the price is high), MOST (70%) kept by their loving family for life. 30% into a shelter or a new home (not sure of exact numbers but that point will come moot when I discuss the next stage).
Of those 30% how many pure breed quality dogs (the kind that originally cost $1500+) from breeders languish in shelters unloved? ZERO.
Any dogs of this type that do end up in a shelter (already the minority), are quickly purchased or adopted from the shelter (perhaps even turning them a profit on a per dog basis). Why? Because they are high in demand dogs, that many want but cannot afford as puppies, and even when they can be afforded supply is usually too tight to meat demand.
So what are the dogs in the shelters that do cost shelters money, that do get put down.. where do they come from? Ah, backyard breeders, mongrels, mutts, irresponsible breeders, pit bulls, staffies, mis-treated dogs no longer suitable for a new owner. Some of these find new homes, some don't.
Now rather than point aim at the kind of people that bred the dogs nobody wanted (unlicensed breeders, people buying puppies off gumtree from questionable sources, people not desexing their animals and letting them get out on the street) you blame the people that are putting dogs into the system responsibly, where the dogs never end up being the problem you critique.
Sometime the truth requires a closer examination that what is given by the media or social justice warriors.
The answer to cleaning up the system is not to penalise the good traders, it is to get rid of or limit the bad.
Actually…
You are a horrible person for taking riciculous hard line stances and accusing someone of dog murder for buying a different dog.
I wont say that you are everything that is wrong with the world, because I don't know you. But people who think like you and decide to hate based on narrow minded black and white thinking cause a lot of the pain and suffering in the world.
oh I am a horrible person, but not for the reasons you've listed.
also you are everything that is wrong with the world when you ignore facts because they make you feel bad. lets all pretend that no dogs get killed at the pound and we can all ignore pounds now and buy dogs from breeders instead.
Good work mate. You did identify a fact. Dogs are killed at the pound.
Your accusations of dog murder by buying a different dog is however not a fact but an emotionally driven conclusion with no basis in 'fact'.
I put it to you that by commenting on OzBargain instead of donating to charity… You have murdered several young children in Africa. How can you sleep at night? You absolute monster!
Ignorantly accusing strangers of murder on the internet for not doing things that you like is fun actually. Not productive… But fun. :)
@SnakeCasablanca: if you buy a dog from the pound, that almost guarantees one less dog will be put down that month. if you are going to buy a dog, and don't get one from the pound, you are indirectly killing a dog. i'm sorry it is so hard for you to get your head around.
@[Deactivated]: Your logic is not sound and your agression is misplaced. If these issues are not addressed it will negatively affect your life.
Have a good day. :)
Why being judgmental about it? It is up to OP if he wishes to get a dog from a shelter or a breeder.
It is neither illegal (except VIC) nor immoral.
Saying OP is a horrible person is horrible in itself.
i never said it was illegal, but it is immoral, and I wasn't singling out OP, anyone who buys dogs this way is a bad person.
Anyone who has kids the natural way hates kids. Youre supporting something which creates more kids, when we already have a surplus of kids. This means youre actually murdering a kid you could of picked up from care. Youre a horrible person.
btw. Unless you want a kelpie, cattledog or staffy then good luck finding a dog at a shelter because this is what 90% of these dogs are.
You know they don’t euthanize unadopted children, right?
we really need to start euthanizing some adults…..
It's good to have a calm and rational discussion. Don't you think?
https://dogshome.com/dog-adoption/adopt-a-dog/
So many adorable floofs just waiting for love. You can give them their forever home!
They won’t come with the same price tag either. Usually just pay for all vaccinations they’ve had to have and a $300~ admin fee.
Did you see the dogs? Staffy, Staffy, Staffy, Staffy…
It makes my point that nearly all shelter dogs are Staffies or Bull-something.
Maybe we need bogans to stop getting Staffy puppies. Buying a family dog from a breeer is not the problem.
That’s a rarity. It changes. I usually see a lot more smaller terriers or jack russells.
sooo…. did you get the deposit back?
waiting…
get your money back and find another dog, leave a few bad reviews online, report them to ato, report them to breeders association, create a facebook page about it, tell the bikies, make a nuke with donald trump ..
Nice trick, market 1 dog, but sell different ones
I'd google their name to see if they do this often
Are they offering your deposit back since they cancelled and not you?
If you get your deposit back simply go to a different breeder and no harm done. Annoying about the screw around though.. but I'd already be questioning the breeders competence and mental health to have tried to switch dogs on you twice and then refused all together.
If they didn't think you were fit to be a dog owner they wouldn't have offered you the second dog, so obviously they're just a scammer or just get too attached to the dogs to actually want to sell them..
hope you get your deposit back at least. Threaten small claims court otherwise.. but depending on the price of deposit, it's probably not worth pursuing if they don't return the deposit.. probably just write some bad reviews on social media, often that'll scare them into returning your deposit to, especially if you tag their business page.
appreciate the support.
I wonder why the OP doesn't want to mention the dog type.
I was thinking the same!
It was just a matter of waiting till the kiddies got home from school: