Are Drivers Habits Getting Worse?

Is it me or are people's driving habits getting worse?

  1. Driving through red lights.
  2. People deciding to make late lane change across multiple lanes to get to a turn off.
  3. Uber drivers worst.
  4. Then Taxi drivers.
  5. People sitting in right hand lane 10kms below speed limit rather than freeing up that lane and being courteous.
  6. No indicating at roundabouts. Just not in ndicating at all for turns or lane changes.

I could go on and I see this often and don't drive that much only short drive from work to home each day.

Comments

  • +4 votes

    I wonder how much is down to people following their GPS.

    Regarding slow cars in the right lane, I think cars behind should blip their horn a tiny bit rather than get aggro about it.

    • +18 votes

      Your only meant to use horns for emergencies. Like when idiot pedestrians walk out in front of you just after a pedestrian crossing. What the F.

    • +34 votes

      People get so offended when they're honked though, even if they're in the wrong. Road rage then starts.

    • +3 votes

      slow cars in the right lane, I think cars behind should blip their horn a tiny bit

      That's not a good idea - a blip of the horn could result in a brake-check.

      You get dicks who sit in the right lane on purpose thinking it's their job to police the speed limit.

      • +1 vote

        And don't forget those who like to sit 10km/h under the limit, and/or as they don't know how incorrect their speedo is, even in fine conditions. Or those that think if that means they lag behind the other lanes that's not their problem, etc.

        Or that being on cruise means they can stay in the right as long as they like… etc.

        • +1 vote

          Because those who speed and tail gate are the ones to emulate.

          SMH!

          • +10 votes

            @syousef: Or just stay out of the right lane if you're not over-taking.

            • -2 votes

              @HighAndDry: There is no excuse for you to break the speed limit or tail gate. None. If you can't obey the road rules get the hell off the road.

              • +6 votes

                @syousef: Did you know your speedo reports your speed as between 2-4km/h below your actual speed? Yeah, you're under the speed limit. The guy "speeding" is actually going at the right speed.

                • -7 votes

                  @HighAndDry: Do you know how to use a GPS? Did you know that despite the accuracy being bad for position, a GPS is remarkably accurate for speed so long as the road is straight and flat? Did you know that condescendingly implying that I don't know how to check my speedo doesn't make your tailgating and speeding safe? Did you know that making excuses such as the one you just made is LAME as anyone that drives knows perfectly well that people speeding aren't doing so within the margin of error of their speedo?

                  Grow up. If you want to drive, learn to obey the law.

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                    @syousef:

                    Did you know that despite the accuracy being bad for position, a GPS is remarkably accurate for speed so long as the road is straight and flat?

                    Repeat that to yourself and figure out where you're wrong. How the hell can something be bad for position but good for speed, considering that speed is change in position over time? And please tell me you don't depend on your GPS for your speed over your speedo…. Sigh I give up.

                    doesn't make your tailgating and speeding safe?

                    I don't speed or tailgate. But if I'm sitting on the speed limit, I'll move over to the left lane.

                    Grow up.

                    Funny. Every time I talk to you I feel like I'm talking to a 12 year old. Who else uses "lame" in all caps past that age?

                    • +5 votes

                      @HighAndDry:

                      Repeat that to yourself and figure out where you're wrong. How the hell can something be bad for position but good for speed, considering that speed is change in position over time?

                      It's counter-intuitive but it's also correct. A GPS gives an inaccurate position but an accurate speed. How? The inaccuracy in position over short periods of time is consistent. If it's off by 3m here and now, it'll be off by very close to 3m in 30 seconds several meters down the road. Learn a bit about the world before trying to lecture others.

                      And please tell me you don't depend on your GPS for your speed over your speedo…. Sigh I give up

                      https://www.geotab.com/blog/the-need-for-speed/
                      https://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-drive/culture/commutin...

                      They're just a couple of the first ones that come up.

                      I don't speed or tailgate. But if I'm sitting on the speed limit, I'll move over to the left lane.

                      Yeah sure you don't speed. I guess that's why you need to move over to the left IF you're sitting on the speed limit. Are you even paying attention to what you wrote?

                      Funny. Every time I talk to you I feel like I'm talking to a 12 year old. Who else uses "lame" in all caps past that age?

                      I'm just targeting my language to the audience's level of education. Anyone that advocates intentional speeding and tailgating should have their license revoked.

                      • -5 votes

                        @syousef:

                        If it's off by 3m here and now, it'll be off by very close to 3m in 30 seconds several meters down the road.

                        Yeah. Until it decides to be off by 3m in another direction. Unless you can tell when your GPS decides to changes how inaccurate it is, you can't rely on it for speed because it could be wrong at any one time.

                        This isn't learning "about the world". This is basic logic. Hell, your linked articles don't even back you up. Anyways as I said I give up.

                        • +8 votes

                          @HighAndDry: Read the articles. Educate yourself. Or don't. I no longer care. I'm tired of debating with people that have no idea.

                          If you want to try to use your GPS in a tunnel and claim it's inaccurate that's your problem.

                          • -6 votes

                            @syousef: Your first one is a blog, so I'm just going to ignore it.

                            From the second:

                            The accuracy of GPS does depend on certain factors

                            and

                            As long as you're getting good GPS coverage - which you have to realize can be affected by signals bouncing off downtown city buildings or mountains

                            and

                            GPS will probably provide the most accurate measure of your speed - but the conditions must be right to rely on this technology.

                            and

                            Several Canadian lawyers I contacted, though, say they wouldn't want to stand behind a GPS reading in court

                            So yeah. I can read. How about you?

                            • +6 votes

                              @HighAndDry: No you can't read. You can cherry pick comments out of context to fit your preconceived notions. From the 2nd article.

                              '"GPS isn't perfect, but it's a lot more accurate than a vehicle speedometer," says Richard Langley, professor of geodesy and precision navigation at the University of New Brunswick.'

                              'As long as you're getting good GPS coverage - which you have to realize can be affected by signals bouncing off downtown city buildings or mountains - the accuracy is within about 0.2 of a kilometre per hour."'

                              So if you can get decent coverage you can check your speedo, which was the point. So stop trolling.

                              • -5 votes

                                @syousef: What part of:

                                which you have to realize can be affected by signals bouncing off downtown city buildings or mountains

                                is apparently so hard to understand? That's something a normal person will have no idea of.

                                Also, what does YOUR ARTICLE SAY IN ITS CONCLUSION?

                                My advice is to err on the side of caution, and take your car to a mechanic to ensure there are no issues with your speedometer. Then, stick to its reading.

                                F*** I'm done.

                                • +1 vote

                                  @HighAndDry:

                                  Also, what does YOUR ARTICLE SAY IN ITS CONCLUSION?

                                  It doesn't say you can't check your speedo against your GPS, genius. It doesn't say you can't take multiple measurements to be sure either.

                • +1 vote

                  @HighAndDry: This comment doesn't make any sense? If a car was stopped at traffic lights they are going back to the future? You drive a delorean?

              • +1 vote

                @syousef:

                None. If you can't obey the road rules get the hell off the road.

                Such as keep left unless overtaking?

                • +2 votes

                  @tomsco: I don't have a problem with keep left unless overtaking. Personally, I don't sit in the right lane. If I did do that I'd expect to be fined and if I kept doing it I'd expect to lose my license (well on roads where the speed limit is >80 anyway). It doesn't change the fact that most of the people complaining about this are hypocrites who literally can't obey a speed limit to save themselves. I see a lot more speeders than right lane hogs. But of course they all think the limits shouldn't apply to them because they're such fantastic drivers.

                  • +2 votes

                    @syousef: This!

                    Whilst I don't stay in the right lane unless overtaking, I will overtake at the speed limit (i.e. because the left lane has a slower car). Speeders seem to have to sit on your tail because they want to break the law. Idiots.

                    Every other day you see someone have a huge accident, killing people due to speeding.

                    Slow the F down and think about others instead of being a hero. People have families in their cars.

      • +11 votes

        could result in a brake-check

        Which should be no problem, because you are following at a safe distance…

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          My Hyundai i30, has a cruise Control mode, where you can specify the distance when following a car. It also can automatically brake/slow down.

        • +1 vote

          Agree - with sufficient distance, a brake-check may not cause an accident, but it means that the driver behind still needs to react quickly.

          My point was, there's enough idiots out there who are willing to dish out these brake-checks, why blip the horn and give them the opportunity to do that to yourself? If they're not willing to move out of the way in the first place, I doubt a beep from the horn will help. I wished the cops would hand out more fines for hogging the right lane.

          • +1 vote

            @bobbified: Maybe some will be so sociopathic as to slam the brakes, but some (most?) are also just absent-minded and will move over or adjust their speed (see: fundamental attribution error). It's your call if it's worth the risk.

            For what it's worth, I was stuck behind someone a while back who didn't move when the light went green (looking at phone). I gave him a full 2 seconds, then a tap of the horn. He looked up at the green light then gave me the finger before moving off… !

            So yeah, I'm fully aware there are some right cockheads out there.

            • +1 vote

              @abb: I won't honk someone who's under the speed limit, but I give far less than a full 2 seconds before honking someone at the traffic lights. It's not even meant as a rude honk, just a "hey, the light's green."

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            @bobbified: Hell even cops do it!

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              @BestofOZB:

              Hell even cops do it!

              I'm definitely not stupid enough to do anything to attract cops' attention.

              Whether they're right or wrong doesn't make a difference. I make my decisions to avoid their attention based on the fact that courts will believe their word over mine.

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        This reminds me of that Denis Leary song.

        "I drive really slow in the ultra fast lane
        While people behind me are going insane"

        I'm an A Hole.

  • +15 votes

    I saw an idiot who's brake lights would turn on every 3 secs as soon as they hit 61kmph in easy traffic. Gtfo the road you hazard.

    • +9 votes

      ^ This.

      Idiots who brakes randomly while their front is clear as coast.

      • +17 votes

        I randomly start braking when someone is tailgating me.

        • +22 votes

          I used to do this. But it really achieves nothing, do you really think they are going to learn from it?
          I now think it's just as bad as tailgating, all it does it make them angry, which increases the chances of a crash.
          I now just move out of their way and forget about it.

          EDIT: Though I do remember this one time when someone was tailgating me and right when they were taking a drink from their chocolate milk, I slammed on the brakes and from what I could see, chocolate milk everywhere, it was gold!

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          I put my hazard lights on to indicate hazardous behaviour.

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          Do you start braking when there's no cars behind or infront of you?

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          Cant avoid to tail gate ya if its on one lane or heavy traffic.

          If you have an aneurysm while driving, then that is different story. :D

        • +5 votes

          Spray your windshield instead. The run off will hit their car and can be quite annoying.

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            @Ryanek: That's exactly what a cop told me once, if your doing the limit and being tailgated, keep pulling on the washer/wiper till they back off. If they come up again , keep doing it.They will soon get sick of it. Just make sure you are doing the speed limit, not under it.

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        Idiots who brakes randomly while their front is clear as coast.

        We know who these ppl r

      • +1 vote

        Anyone obeying this pesky thing called the speed limit.

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          So you don't know how to maintain a constant speed without jumping on the brakes every few seconds. Wish I could say I'm surprised.

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            @HighAndDry: Try maintaining a constant speed down hill without your brakes. Would love to know how.

            • +1 vote

              @syousef: Ah, you still can't read. Point out where "downhill" is mentioned anywhere in this thread. Go ahead. I'm not going to wait though.

              Also (not advised, but possible): engine braking.

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                @HighAndDry: Oh I forgot downhill stretches don't occur on Australian roads.

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                  @syousef: Yeah, kangaroos run onto our roads as well. Are you going to say: "Would love to see how you avoid hitting a kangaroo without using the brakes!" too?

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                    @HighAndDry: I'm still waiting for you to tell me how you maintain your speed without using the brakes on a downhill stretch of road. Let's say a nice wide one like the Hume highway.

                    I'm guessing you'd rather speed than "tap the brakes". If so you should get off the road because you're not willing to abide by the laws.

                    Tell you what: Why don't you go take a nice scenic drive on Mt Panorama in Bathurst. NSW state revenue will love you.

                    • +2 votes

                      @syousef:

                      I'm still waiting for you to tell me how you maintain your speed without using the brakes on a downhill stretch of road.

                      I already mentioned it: engine braking. Not to mention we're not talking about downhills. No one mentioned downhills until you did. No one is complaining about people braking on downhill stretches of road! Christ, learn to read, please.

                      • +1 vote

                        @HighAndDry: So you're in favour of engine braking which gives no visual indicator to the driver behind. This to you is better than a bit of wear on the brakes is it? Keep digging.

                        You still haven't told me how to avoid going downhill. No one mentioned it because no one needs to. It's a common condition on Australian roads.

                        You're obsessed with my ability to read. If I couldn't read at least I wouldn't be confronted with the ridiculous nonsense you wrote.

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                          @syousef: Again, my comment above already says:

                          (not advised, but possible)

                          No I actually just give up. You actually literally can't read. First person that I've hidden the comments from, congrats.

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                            @HighAndDry: That's not an argument. Your position is untenable.

                            If it's not advisable to use engine braking why mention it?

                            If braking is necessary going downhill, and downhill stretches are common on Australian roads, why chastise people for "tapping the brakes"? Or me for not knowing a better way to slow the car down and avoid going over the speed limit?

                            When I show you how easy it is to check our speedo, and that a GPS can be used to do it quite accurately, you start with a logically flawed rant about not being able to determine accurate speed without an accurate position (plain wrong) then ranting at me about GPS not being usable in court. You ignore that it is USUALLY much MORE accurate than your speedo and that lack of precision can be overcome with repeated measurements.

                            You insist on behaviour that will lead to speeding and even slip up and say that IF you're staying under the limit you use the left lane. But somehow I'm suppose to believe you don't speed.

                            And you have the gumption to accuse me of an inability to read or reason? Seriously?

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              @syousef: Easy, change down a gear, even auto's can be changed down.

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      What is really annoying, is when both brake lights don't work. +1 btw

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      I had this happen to me following a car down Punt Rd once. They would literally brake every 1-2 seconds - so I started counting.

      From memory I believe I counted 80+ times they hit their brakes. It was completely ridiculous.

      In the same time period I hit my brakes 3 times.

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        Some peoples can't control their car. Or both of their feets are on the gas and brake at the same time.

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          So shouldn't be driving. In fact that isn't correct operation of the vehicle and technically isn't driving it's being a menace and having no control of the 1 tonne lump of metal. For some reason I feel you are advocating this.

  • +8 votes

    I know that people are so paranoid about redlight cameras at intersections so they slow down 10m or more prior when they are green not amber.

    • +4 votes

      Sensible thing to do… These days many will drive through a red light so you should be ready.

      • +1 vote

        I have never seen anyone drive through a red light that has been red for sometime.

        • +1 vote

          They tend to make appearances in those dashcamsaustralia crash compilation videos. :S

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          Just red for a little time?

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          I just saw that yesterday; the green left arrow lit up and the car next to me must have thought he could go straight. A red light camera got him too …

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          I just saw an SUV do it today. We're all sitting at this red light. Opposing traffic gets a green while ours remains red, so they can come towards us and turn across our direction of travel. As they start making their way through, this numpty drives 1m into the intersection, stops, then 3 seconds later rolls the rest of the way through. Luckily no one was turning across, else I would have been stuck behind an accident for at least 10 minutes.

    • +2 votes

      Better to annoys other than copping a fine. :)

    • +3 votes

      These days many of them are dual speed/red light cameras

    • +1 vote

      The ones who slow down to 15km under the speed limit while they drive past a fixed speed camera annoy me more.

  • +21 votes

    Needs a poll

    A frightfully common one these days is those who don't turn on their headlights even though it's basically black outside …

    • +3 votes

      I think that has alot to do with the general street lights being very bright. Most new cars have auto lights. Older cars not. However, I am surprised at some new cars without their lights on, as the sensor would definitely know there is only artificial street lights on.

    • +8 votes

      Plus a lot of cars have their instrument cluster lit up without headlights on, if you're an older driver you might get confused! I remember as a learner not being able to see the speedo when it got dark

    • +1 vote

      And a lot of modern cars have DRLs too so some people might think their lights are on when they're not.

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        It is no coincidence that DRLs were added around the same time as auto light switches, they prevent the manufacturers getting sued for contributing to the cause of accidents in instances that the auto light sensor is not doing its job.

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          DRLs actually do a lot towards mitigating the danger. Headlights serve two purposes - for the driver, so they can see the road. And for everyone else, so they can see the car.

          DRLs mean the second function is already served, and usually headlights being off happens when there's too much/enough other lighting the driver isn't themselves thinking "Omg it's so pitch black outside", so presumably they can already see too.

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            @HighAndDry: I didn't say they were a bad thing, just that they were not added to improve safety- it was a way of mitigating risk caused by adding a auto-light switching feature that the market demanded.

            Thanks for the neg though, very nice

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              @resisting the urge: Lol the neg wasn't me. I run out a lot earlier in the day.

              But the "avoid a suit" rationale is pretty bad too - there's never been such a lawsuit that I'm aware of, ever.

              They did it to be trendy after the Audi R8 pioneered them and it spread through luxury marques.

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                @HighAndDry: They don't design cars for Australia, they do it for the EU and US. Regardless they don't need courts to tell them what to do, they employ armies of risk-managers that review everything marketing wants included and decide what goes in, and what doesn't

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                  @resisting the urge: Sure, but that doesn't explain why - if it was a legal-liability decision, it was pioneered on the Audi R8, spread to luxury marques, and then to all the other mainstream cars. If anything, the legal liability angle would mean it should go to the larger volume, mainstream models first.

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                    @HighAndDry: No, because auto manufacturers do not introduce new features across the board in one go, as it has to be planned and executed. They do it model by model, line by line, jurisdiction by jurisdiction, and market by market. Consider that:

                    1. BMW were the first to add high intensity LEDs as daytime running lights into headlamps, and did so in markets that didn't mandate DRLs as it was a design thing. Also, each new model that had them (e39, e46 fr around 2000 onwards) also had the option of Auto switching lamps and wipers.
                    2. People were designing and retrofitting LED DRLs in many ways long before any manufacturer designed them in, esp. in places like Sweden where the regulation always existed for DRLs to be enabled since the 70s.
                    3. When Audi R8 became a thing 5 years after that, it too had auto switching headlights as well as DRLs

                    Decisions on what new features are to be implemented are taken once a design is chosen, (marketing, risk, cost and other corporate decisions all follow this). The only reason regulation doesn't come first is because regulators never force manufacturers to implement new things, rather to adopt them gradually- so it can all be done practically and that there is time to work out ways to get the public to bear the costs rather than the regulators or the manufacturers.

                    Add-on technical upgrades can occur outside this cycle, but LED DRLs are a major technical and marketing feature for an industry still using 200 year old engine tech, so their adoption followed the design cycle

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      haha this WAS me, when I was a red P.

      The other car's occupants all shouted 'turn on your headlights' :)

      never happened again.

  • +6 votes

    Add truck drivers to your list too. It seems to be that the more you drive as a "professional" driver the more you feel entitled to only follow some of the road laws.

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      Agree donga, but have you noticed how new drivers have more skill and ability than anyone else?

      • +3 votes

        Yes, some P plate drivers live up to the stereotypes but on average newer drivers seem to follow the road rules more consistently.

    • +2 votes

      Yeah… Then you get those ignorant drivers that cut in front of trucks, buses,(large vehicles), that are leaving enough room for them to be able to STOP. Then wonder why that said truck, has to "Air Brake" lock-up, and let them know WHY that is kinda dangerous.
      I live close to a rather stupid Traffic-Island set-up, with two lanes each way, merging into 1, and a side road being able to turn "blindly" in both directions… But they (cars) continue to ignore the LARGE school bus trying to turn across the 2 lanes and feel compelled to overtake on the inside (left lane). while at the same time, other cars are trying to turn left & right, at the same time… Argh….
      A daily occurrence, but what was the councils fix?
      Build a round-a-bout 100m further up the road?
      Yeah, I don't know why either. I would have thought that fixing the problem, where the problem is, would make more sense.
      School (out) time, is a coin flip as to whether the, "screech" turns into a "bang - thump" (at least once a week, or more). Luckily, because there is increased traffic at that time, speed restricts any injuries to minor ones. I think MY car insurance reflects the fact of where I live, because of ALL the instances reported, at the location?

  • +7 votes

    1 Road morons.. "Tailgaters" :-(

    At the end of the day how much time have your gained by your impatience & ignorance? What do you do with those 3 seconds?
    So many drivers are just oblivious to the fact that a public road is a shared space, not just theirs alone.

    • +12 votes

      If drivers sitting in the right lane moved over everyone would be happy. Not great when your in the right lane 10km below speed limit. People dont understand that by not driving to the speed limit it has a muliplying consequence to that lane. You drive at 10km below. I drive another 5k below that to keep clear of you and so on to the other cars behind.

      Its ignorant not to use your mirrors and just move over to a slower lane for car in a right-hand lane. It's impatience only caused by that ignorant driver.

      • +3 votes

        If I am going 5km above the speed limit in the left lane and being tailgated. Should I ignore them or should I speed up?

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