Yamaha HTR-3071B 5.1ch 100W Bluetooth Receiver 4K Pass, Hdcp2.2, HDR Video $308 (RRP $499) @ Radio Parts Melbourne

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ozf1 on 31/12/2018 - 11:17 radioparts.com.au (613 clicks)
Last edited 31/12/2018 - 12:18 by 1 other user

The Yamaha HTR series has the same inner components as the RXV line.
This model is the same as a deal posted a few days ago, finishing tonight (https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/428076).
With the HTR version you save an additional $17.00!.
Whilst asking questions at Radioparts on difference b/w the 2 models, I spotted the one difference (even the sales guy who was supposed to be the 'knowledgeable one' came out to assist another with my questions, had not spotted it).
The main 'physical' difference is the speaker binding posts(where you connect the speaker wire), you only get the 'higher end' type for the front speakers, the rest get a more basic clip type.
Technical difference, The RX-V line has the power amplifiers rated from 20-20000 Hz. The HTR line has the power amplifiers rated at 1000 Hz.

Both units have the same RRP, and although the HTR version is rated lower, Yamaha says "Both lines can reproduce the full frequency response of 20-20000 Hz".
(http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/audio-visual/av-receiver…)

HTR line is also typically sold in Receiver&speaker packages, so this goes to explain why the clip connections for the usual small to 'VERY' small rears, needing only a clip on contact for the very fine (thin) wires.

So go ahead and save $17.00 more and be a true ozbargainer!.

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  messiah1095 on 31/12/2018 - 11:48

  Doesn't look to support the new Dolby or DTS codecs. Otherwise would have been a great purchase for me.

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    AlexF on 31/12/2018 - 12:32

    +4

    With only 5 amps, ATMOS and X are irrelevant. I’d go further, without ceiling speakers, these codecs are irrelevant. Even further, without OMNIMAX type projection, these codecs are superfluous.

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  CH on 31/12/2018 - 13:19

  The Yamaha HTR series has the same inner components as the RXV line.

  You have to be careful not to confuse/compare the HTR series to the same number in the RXV line, the RXV3071 (3xxx) is/was top of the line for their receivers, the HTR3071 is a very different kettle of fish at around or below the bottom of the RXV (3xx) series.

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    AssociatedCarve2 @ Radio Parts Group on 03/01/2019 - 10:24

    Absolutely.

    HTR = bulk stock, or bundled AV receivers with speakers.

    RXV = general AV receivers, sold in many places.

    RXS or RXAS = slim AV receivers.

    RXD = rarer, has a DAB+ digital radio tuner rather than AM tuner built-in (see RXD485)

    RXA = AVENTAGE range, special features (including DAB+), sold in limited retail outlets.

    CXA/MXA = AVENTAGE Separates components (i.e. pre/processor and power-amp components), very limited retail outlets.

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  AssociatedCarve2 @ Radio Parts Group on 31/12/2018 - 15:03

  +1

  Thanks ozf1 for posting this here.

  I'm actually the 'knowledgeable one' from the showroom, and you're right, I definitely hadn't spotted the spring-clip terminals on the HTR picture! Thanks for pointing them out, as it's something useful to know.

  One small point (from the link you posted and your text) - Yamaha used to (back in the 2000's) measure/rate the power for the HTR-series differently to the RX-V-series. Now, they measure/rate them in the same way, so both the RX-V385 and HTR-3071 are shown as: Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) 70 W (6 ohms, 0.09% THD).

  That's still not the full story, of course, and AV receiver power ratings are a bit of a sore point for me (long winded stuff incoming). You're more likely to use 8 ohm speakers, so if you compare that with the Denon AVRX550 power ratings (70 watts per channel (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, THD 0.08%, 2ch driven)), then the Yamaha has less power (albeit for almost half the cost!).

  Then you look at the "2ch driven" part. They've only rated these AV receivers to that 70W while only two speakers are being tested. What happens when you connect up all five speakers in your home? Well, you're not going to get all 70W per channel for all speakers simultaneously. How often will you do that in practice? Probably not often, but it's the spirit of the thing that bugs me a little.

  And now we get to the crux of the irritation for me. Have a look at the complete power ratings for the HTR3071:

  70 W per channel (6 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.09 % THD, 2-ch driven)
  100 W per channel (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9 % THD, 1-ch driven)
  135 W per channel (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10 % THD, 1-ch driven)

  Who knew? Testing at only one specific frequency (1kHz) rather than across the full frequency spectrum, not worrying about distortion (Total Harmonic Distortion at 0.9% or 10%? Nasty) and you can get ALL THE POWER!!!

  Sorry for the rant. It always feels a bit "fake", particularly when a casual reader might only see the biggest number and run with that.

  On an entry-level AV receiver, we shouldn't be expecting performance to rival its biggest brothers, and for a simple job, these HTR/RXV are pretty good choices. For my entry-level customers, I prefer a receiver with networking, MusicCast, app control and that sort of thing - i.e. the HTR4072.

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    ozf1 on 31/12/2018 - 15:51

    Hey Cheers for contributing Carve2, and apologies if I did come across as a smart_r_e with my comment 'knowledgeable one'. It was just you said both were exactly the same unit etc…

    I also thought Id only mention the specs 'most' users will look at (if that), which is usually max power and or range. If more technically curious most do further research on their own.

    I use it as indication of the power of the unit in comparing different models, however once I zero in on a unit, I do further research on comparable models with similar prices. When a unit is discounted like this, I find it's hard to beat as most other units circa $300.00 won't get near it specs wise, in my needs I really want the 4K passthrough, which I understand many comparable units don't unless the unit is on stand by etc.
    I'll never do Atmos etc. so this is perfect for me in our TV room, in my Home Theatre/Lounge room I am running my good ol' Onkyo TXSR701E still going strong, and loving it.

    I think your price is worthy to post as a 'Deal' for our community of Merry men and Women!

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      AssociatedCarve2 @ Radio Parts Group on 03/01/2019 - 09:15

      No, you didn't at all come across that way. I love finding out new things, and I genuinely thought those two were identical, so finding out a point of difference was great! Yes, I am that much of a geek. I definitely think the price on the HTR3071 is worth talking about here too.

      And my comments about power ratings and the rest were more of a personal gripe. There isn't a universally agreed-upon power ratings scheme for AV receivers, and manufacturers gaming the figures by making them incomprehensible to most people gets on my nerves.

      As an entry-level AV receiver, it's hard to go past something like this HTR3071. Good brand, made in the same factory and with some of the same components as receivers 10x the price, and with every-day features like Bluetooth, it's a great choice.

      Because I stream a lot of audio, much more than I watch a screen, my preferences are more towards networked AV receivers. With higher end speakers, or for critical listening, or a larger space, or for Atmos/DTS:X, or for multi-room audio, or for LP inputs, for Critical Feature X, Y, or Z, there are more appropriate AV receivers. That's the best part about having a wide range of products - there's something there for anybody.

      Anyway, thanks for posting it here, and if you do go ahead and buy one, please let us/me know how you go with it!

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    AlexF on 31/12/2018 - 16:09

    Hi Carve3, since you’re the ‘knowledgeable one’ perhaps you can answer my question - why doesn’t Yamaha (and other receiver makers) sell pre-/processors and power amps as separates on the lower-end of market segment? Is there insufficient profit, demand or something else?

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      AssociatedCarve2 @ Radio Parts Group on 03/01/2019 - 09:52

      Honestly, I'd say it's the perceived "high-end" nature of pre/power-amp combos, combined with the slightly-higher complexity of installing/using one, that some "lower-end" customers are space-conscious, and partly a cost analysis.

      It's hard to be completely sure, as I don't know the exact economics inside AV receiver manufacturing. What you're asking for is a new product segment (for that price point, anyway), and the research/development costs for something like that are huge. Actually making it would be relatively complicated to split components between two boxes, but could be done.

      However, now you're faced with educating the general public on why you want to buy two boxes, rather than one. And part of that reasoning is me saying directly to you: "Some aspects of this pre-amp here that I'm selling you today are going to be obsolete in the future, possibly even within a year, I don't know when, and will be worth almost nothing when that happens". It's absolutely true, and we all know that, but it's a rare customer that wants to be told that when I'm trying to get them to open their wallets!

      And it's hard to underestimate how much of a "one box to rule them all" mindset already exists. "Plug everything into this one box, from your BD player to your speakers, and it'll look after everything else. Oh, and it comes with an app now for controlling it remotely, isn't that nice?"

      I guess one other factor is that selling a pre/power amp combo takes a reasonable amount of sales skill and understanding of the customer's needs. Maybe the manufacturers understand that that conversation takes time, and doesn't fit with the average "I'm here to buy a box for less than a grand" customer.

      I'm absolutely not saying that every customer fits all those moulds. Personally, I'd love to have a pre/power amp combo for RRP $1000-1500 as an option for the right customer. It would be something I can see customers planning around buying, and looking at upgrading every few years, just like we seem to have to do with TVs.

      A brave manufacturer might take on the challenge of leading the pack, but at the moment, I bet they're all working madly on the latest HDMI updates, improving multi-room audio, integrating voice-control more completely, all while increasing profit margins. Pretty safe bet, that one!

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    bargaino on 31/12/2018 - 16:28

    For my entry-level customers, I prefer a receiver with networking, MusicCast, app control and that sort of thing - i.e. the HTR4072

    I was thinking of getting something like this, with Android-TV box attached for Netflix, Spotify, casting, etc.
    Could also use Apple-TV, or Chromecast and Google Home mini.

    Is there any great advantage to having the network smarts built into the amplifier, other than being a bit easier for some people to understand and set up?

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      AssociatedCarve2 @ Radio Parts Group on 03/01/2019 - 10:15

      +1

      Hi manic, thanks for the great question.

      On paper, what you're getting for the ~$200/60% cost increase between the HTR3071 and HTR4072 is WiFi/networking, MusicCast multi-zone audio, Airplay, Spotify Connect, the ability to add wireless MusicCast surround speakers, along with full control over the unit via the Yamaha AV Controller app for your phone/tablet.

      However, if you want to stream movies, you're still going to need either a TV with Smart built-in (not my favourite thing due to lack of updates & obsolescence), or AppleTV/Chromecast/FireTV/Android box, etc, etc. So, let's assume you have one of those things connected into a HTR3071 (which doesn't have WiFi/app control).

      Now you're using your phone as an interface/control for the streaming box, and the Yamaha's IR remote control for turning the volume up/down, changing theatre sound modes, adjusting dialogue levels and that sort of thing. You've got two control methods in your hands.

      If you take a networking/app-controllable AV receiver (like the HTR4072 and all its bigger brothers), you're doing everything from the one phone/tablet, just by switching between apps. You can hide the AV receiver away in a cupboard, and everything happens in your pocket (hello).

      You can also walk in the door, open Spotify, select the HTR4072 from within Spotify, and press play on your playlist. For non-techy people, that's the goal. Simplify, simplify. Oh, and if you're in the Alexa world, add an Echo Dot to be able to say "Alexa, play "Despacito" in the Living Room", if that's your kind of thing.

      Let me put it this way - you and I and others here might not need those features, but others who share our spaces might want them. Is the price difference worth it? That's something you and everyone who uses it will have to decide.

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  asteelrim on 09/02/2019 - 09:16

  Current price is $289