Rise in Racism on OzBargain

A lot of us have been personally or non-personally impacted by recent events.

There are also a number of those not impacted, including a incumbent senator, who are currently quite active on social media.

It appears OzBargain has in recent days also become a commenting platform for some of those to spread their views. It would also appear that the use of racist and religious comments intended to cause offence are not clearly defined in the commenting guidelines.

Need I remind OzBargain Moderator(s), that racist conduct is unlawful(legislation.vic.gov.au) and falls under a combination of Commonwealth and State legislation(humanrights.gov.au), and OzBargain is surely aware the responsibility they hold in the event that such posts are published on this website.

I now call upon the OzBargain Moderator(s) to:

  1. Publicly confirm that OzBargain, and all Moderator(s), condemn racial or religious motivated posts that are intended to ridicule, humilate or spread hatred and will actively and timely remove those posts; and
  2. Update the commenting Guidelines to include a specific subheading for Racism and Religion regarding comments of this nature so there are clear guidelines going forward.

Mod: Resolved

closed Comments

  • +11 votes

    I'm just here for the bargains.

  •  

    You agree that you are responsible for your own communications and for any consequences thereof. Your use of the Service is subject to your acceptance of and compliance with the Agreement. You agree that you will use the Service in compliance with all applicable local, state, national, and international laws, rules and regulations, including any laws regarding the transmission of technical data exported from your country of residence. - Source

    Anyone who should be breaking these terms, should deactivate their account immediately (via My Account > Edit > Account > Account Management > Deactivate account.)

    • If you see a racial/inappropriate comment, please click report under the message, and a moderator may moderate if deemed necessary.
    • If you would like to censor the internet, please install the great firewall of China.
  •  

    This forum topic is not published.
    Rise in Racism on OzBargain and Lack of Timely Response from Moderator(s) (Use Talk with a Moderator)

    Yet you think they'll allow this post? lol

    I now call upon the OzBargain Moderator(s) to:

    You can't just simply ask, or request?

    • -2 votes

      Yet you think they'll allow this post? lol

      I did ask before reposting this. Albeit with certain paragraphs removed. The moderator did not object.

      You can't just simply ask, or request?

      I have asked 3 times.

      •  

        I have asked 3 times.

        "No means no" zeggie. Jeez. Do we need the Mods to implement a mandatory consent course before people can comment on the forums too?

  • +3 votes

    Here we go, [grabs.popcorn].

  • +3 votes

    I now call upon the OzBargain Moderator(s) to

    Hahaahahahahaha.

    That is all.

  • +1 vote

    I now call on you (and everyone else) - to post some decent deals.
    Which is what this site is about - not trying to establish social justice warrior-ship credentials.

  • +2 votes

    You are entering the courtroom of Judge Judith Sheindlin.
    The people are real.
    The cases are real.
    The rulings are FINAL.

  • +8 votes

    This thread makes me want to go back and read threads about not having motor vehicle insurance or chasing the landlord for lightning strikes.

  • +2 votes

    Oh, of course, we have to pretend that people immigrating from from wildly differing cultures wasn't done so that labour costs remain low for the ruling class or you're a racist.

    Make sure you call anyone that says anything else a racist so that people get outraged and can't think properly.

    •  

      Immigration of skilled migrants contributes to economic growth for the nation as a whole. "The ruling class" - what rubbish. Employers sometimes find they don't have enough skills labour they need, and by attracting skilled migrants from elsewhere in the world it's a win-win for everyone. No need to inject anti-immigration sentiment in here.

    •  

      'Nazi' seems to be the current label of choice to shut down discussion.

  • +2 votes

    Ozbargain have a hide function. Stop whinging and use it.

    •  

      But whinging is a part of OzB culture! Stop oppressing zeggie! Are you trying to ridicule and humilate them? Mods! Mods!

  • +5 votes

    profile pic checks out

  • +3 votes

    Cool story bro!

  • +1 vote

    Didn't we go through this last year with (minority groups) and it was actually determined that unless it's been shared openly that 99% of comments were off the cuff and in no way related to an actual group of people in regard to orientation, preference, race or religion, the forum doesn't require to declare any of that in half the cases you don't know if they are male or female

    It's up to the user to share if choosing to do so, otherwise it was a potentially a mocking comment that hits as often as you win the lotto

    More regulations are a minefield and without prior knowledge not just for the participants but the moderators too

    Without providing all that information how can the mods know it's actually a motivated comment.

    • -3 votes

      That's why an update to the commenting guidelines would assist. Make is clear to mods and posters what is acceptable.

      I've been told not to repost a specific comment someone made (for obvious reasons) but it took 4 hours for a decision to be made to remove that comment when it clearly mocked that person's race. Not 4 hours for the post to be reported and actioned, 4 hours for a decision to remove or not.

      • +1 vote

        How do you know it took 4 hours for a decision?

        • +1 vote

          Exactly this is all cloak and dagger where a couple of people know the story, yet won't provide the details so we have something called CONTEXT to work with.

          This is what failed last time this was attempted nothing could be disclosed, so nobody other than a couple of people knew the story.

          yes I see comments that are not right to me, but I weigh up how much that person actually knows and it's next to nothing.

        • +1 vote

          Because I asked why it took 4 hours, and that was the answer I was given by a moderator.

          •  

            @zeggie: Did you know that torture is an ineffective interrogation technique because the subject tends to say whatever they think will make it stop?

            •  

              @HighAndDry: Do you have a personal issue with me? If so, PM. Or speak to a mod.

              •  

                @zeggie: No, nothing personal. I do have issues with the opinions and views in your comments here, which is why I'm replying to them.

                I literally don't know anything about you, and I don't care to. Certainly don't tell me your race or religion, because believe me, any ridicule or humiliation is to do with your opinions only and nothing else.

                •  

                  @HighAndDry: If you have an issue that I requested review and revisions to the commenting guidelines, and neil confirmed there would be review and revisions to the commenting guidelines then I'd probably suggest you whinge to somebody. But please, don't make it me.

              • +1 vote

                @zeggie: He just loves this shit, it's nothing personal.

      • +2 votes

        Damn those mods and their real lives, their need to eat, sleep and work is beyond a joke.
        Anything could have happened in those four hours, ANYTHING!

        • +5 votes

          We're striving to hit Dominos delivery times. Don't get your moderation answer on time, get your pizza delivered for free.

        •  

          I agree, but the post in reply to the offending post was removed within 5 minutes of it being reported. The original post took a lot longer.

  • +7 votes

    This thread offends me.

  • +1 vote

    Maybe the OP that started this thread was knocked back for a mods. job?

  • +2 votes

    I now call upon the OzBargain Moderator(s)

    Who do you think you are?

  • -3 votes

    Just wanted to say that your freedom of speech does not include you insulting my race & religion. The buck stops there.

    • +3 votes

      your freedom of speech

      You mean, OUR freedom of speech.

    • +1 vote

      Actually that's not correct, just as you can insult my race and my religion too, though the second would be quite a feat, seeing as I'm not really religious. But feel free to wail on atheists or agnostics I guess.

      I absolutely condemn anything which incites violence. Or causes actual harm. But, and I'm sorry (and I'm sincere in my apology), the law isn't there to protect your feelings and shouldn't be. I'm sorry that the benefits and positives associated with freedom of speech will mean that others might abuse these rights to insult your race or religion. I'm sorry if this right, and my support of them, mean that your feelings are hurt.

      But - and this is my personal opinion, though not without a lot of support from people far wiser than I - freedom of speech, to the extent of, yes, including even insults, is an important right and one that shouldn't be subservient to protecting people's feelings.

      • +1 vote

        So are you telling me you have the right to insult my race and religion and that falls under your freedom of speech?

        •  

          I could be wrong so more knowledgeable can correct me.

          Australia - no freedom of speech enshrined into constitution. It has been law and adjusted over time. Recently, they have been trying to bring in, or have already brought in, "hate speech" laws.

          In the US, free speech is part of the 1st Amendment of their constitution so cannot really be touched.
          Calls to violence or inciting violence is not protected.

          US = Freedom of speech
          Australia = not quite so

          If you ask me, the US has got it right (amazing considering it was written centuries ago). There should always be freedom of speech (except for calls to violence, and there should be recourse for defamation etc).

          Stopping speech is dangerous and leads to speech police and eventually thought police.

          One should have the right to insult you/your religion/your race/your car/your hair etc..(again, as long as its not defamatory or calling for violence against you).
          It is up to you, whether you choose to take it as an insult.

      •  

        An "insult" is far different than a "racial insult".

    •  

      Any freedom that only extends to the inoffensive or generally acceptable is no real freedom at all.
      It is only when it protects stuff that upset people that the freedom is necessary.
      My religion is currently being mocked at sneered at by a wildly successful Broadway musical that has won awards and made millions. Apparently it is socially acceptable to laugh at some religions…
      I won't support it, but I won't call for it to be banned either.
      My freedom to express my views depends on my willingness to allow others the freedom to criticise those same views.

  • +2 votes

    How funny is PC Principal in South Park

  • +2 votes

    It appears OzBargain has in recent days also become a commenting platform for some of those to spread their views. It would also appear that the use of racist and religious comments intended to cause offence are not clearly defined in the commenting guidelines.

    Can you please provide some substantive evidence that what you are claiming is in fact occurring on this site? I have not seen any material from community members that would bolster your viewpoint on this issue (although I will admit I am not checking for bargains every single hour of the day).

    We all are sympathizing with those affected directly and in-directly with the events in Christchurch last weekend but to bring the general populations wave of sentiment and outcry of those terrible events onto Ozbargain without any evidence except your own commentary comes across, from my perspective, as someone trying to connect two unrelated social dialogues together.

    Clearly the shootings have impacted you and moved you to take what action you can to help society change for the better, but is this bargains website really the platform for your reform push? I do not see anything that shows Ozbargain as a platform for distasteful views, prove me wrong OP.

    •  

      I have been asked not to link those comments by a moderator. One comment by a particular poster still exists if you search for it.

      So unfortunately I can't respond as I would like to, or it would likely be deleted.

      •  

        If the moderators have specifically asked you not to post examples then I cannot press that point any further.

        One comment by a particular poster still exists if you search for it.

        Does that in itself not mean the moderators are doing their job and removing racist and anti-religious comments if there is only a single comment still out in the wild?

        OP I feel like this should not of been a forum post and, if anything, a simple message to one of the moderation staff to remove the offensive posts that have impacted you would of been sufficient.

        •  

          Alas, I don't believe I can post the contents of the Talk with A Moderator discussion considering the first Forum post was unpublished as I quoted from it. So once again not sure how I can answer you there unfortunately.

          Had that discussion been resolved privately I would not have posted this redacted Forum post.

  •  

    Yeah Nah.. terms such as "racist" or "nazi" have pretty much zero meaning these days.

    When everything is racist, then nothing is racist.

  • OK, the OP has his answer and the discussion is all over the place. Resolved.

  • Top