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Ever so slightly better than Ryzen 5 2600 for gaming, but significantly worse for workstation/compute tasks.
Still not a bad price. But if you have the Ryzen you have a better upgrade path.
Sorry noob here.
Can you expand on this comment ?
Intel change motherboards every 2 revisions, where as AMD said they would stick with the AM4 socket for awhile and that way you just need a firmware upgrade from your motherboard maker.
@tugman: They guaranteed till 2020. Will likely only change when ddr5 memory drops.
Regardless, that counts their first 7nm line-up. And zen 2 is looking to be great.
And as far as I can see, neither have onboard graphics, so you will need a discrete graphics card with either of these? (add a couple of hundred $)
I am not a gamer, so onboard graphics works fine for me.
No need to spend more than about $70 for a GFX card if integrated would do.
Those that don't need an external GPU might be better off just putting that $70 toward a CPU that does have internal GFX.
This is the first I've heard of this no graphics lurk.
You can start looking for specs here: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark.html#@Processors
Intel® Core™ i5-9400 Processor has Intel® UHD Graphics 630
Intel® Core™ i5-9400F Processor Doesn't seem to have integrated graphics
" A quick look shows that these are effectively the same CPUs as the non-F parts, but without Intel's integrated graphics."
This is not news. It has been known since the January announcement of the F series CPUs that you will save $0 by buying an iGPU-less F CPU.
Fair enough but it is news to me. My two main desktop computers are still socket 1150 and 1155. I'll have to replace them eventually but they still work very reliably so I haven't been paying too much attention. The "F" thing is a trap for the unwary and I'm sure it's old news for some but there will be people even further out of the loop than me. I just don't find keeping up with the latest as interesting as it was fifteen years ago.
The F series wasn't newsworthy (technologically) but for the fact that Intel dared to charge the same for less. That raised many eyebrows in light of AMD's offerings.
Seriously don't get the point of these CPUs.
Demands for 9th Gen Core chips are high, so why throw away those CPUs with a bad iGPU? Disable the iGPUs, call them the F series and satisfy the buyers who don't want to wait.
@alvian: It's not a useless product itself. But the price makes it redundant. You're paying the same for less features.
And seeing as it's a locked chip, definitely seems to be just much more appealing to go for a Ryzen option.
F for Failed GPU series :-)