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[NSW] 6.6kW Solar System: Huawei 5kW Hybrid Inverter and 20 Canadian Solar Hiku 330W Panels $3100 Installed @ Solar Power Nation

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I was able to negotiate on a 6.6kW Solar System - Huawei SUN2000L 5KW Hybrid Inverter and 20 x Canadian Solar Hiku 330W Panels fully installed for $3100 out of pocket supplied and installed by Solar Power Nation in NSW (Single Storey, Metro Install)

Wanted to share it across with the OZB community

The deal sweeteners are below -

Cost - $3100 fully installed with excellent workmanship
Inverter - Huawei SUN2000L Hybrid Inverter (Battery Ready) and plug in compatible with LG Chem battery at no extra installation cost later
Panels - Premium Canadian Solar 330 split cell panes released in April 2019 with the latest technology

Please call and speak to Dav at 02 8711 6352 and quote 'Huawei Canadian Package'

Lowest I got quoted for this package was $4000+ elsewhere !

Note - According to my research, a $4800 rebate will be launched end of 2019 on batteries nationally !

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            • +1

              @Umar511986:

              STC - $4190 for NSW (Please correct me if I am wrong)

              my maths says ~3700

    • +1

      Theres some negative reviews on their workmanship and after service here https://www.solarquotes.com.au/installer-review/solar-power-…

    • +6

      I don't understand why you're defending this company black and black. If people have had a bad experience, they're entitled to voice their opinions, with or without proof! People should be able to make up their own mind with the experiences shared from other customers, not just soley rely on your feedback, 1 single job.

      My 2 cents about companies like this. I hate them, avoid them like the plague, not just solar companies. They literally subcontract all their work out to the cheapest installers they can find, which unfortunately is reflected in their work. The company and workmanship is only as good as the subcontractors they employ.

      I'd rather pay more and deal directly with an installer who will be doing the job themselves.

      • -1

        OPs in denial. He probs got a shoddy install and just doesn’t want to know the truth. :)

  • Wow. Price is getting cheaper. I installed mine 6kw Hanwha q cell 305w and Fronius 5kw back in May 2018 and the whole set was $4,750.
    It was such a bargain then.

    • Do you mind PM'ing me what company you went with for that price please?

      • +1

        It was done by More Green Energy in Sydney. Ironically I grabbed the deal from their spam mail. Overall I am happy with their deal, service, and installation.

  • +1

    Can anyone suggest a reputable dealer that's reasonably priced and will do the batteries also? I live in the hills where they are trialling the rebate. Thanks

    • +1

      There is no such rebate for the hills area or any other in NSW on batteries. its simply marketing gimmick talk for a "discount" towards the cost of a battery subsidized between the manufacture and the installation company.

      Personally I wouldn't go near Natural solar or the sonnon product they are offering.

      If you are after a battery id look at the Tesla powerwall 2.

      • If you are after a battery id look at the Tesla powerwall 2. calculator

        FTFY

  • If the rebate is only launch end of this year, why get it now?

    • I think that is for battery. You are still getting rebate on panels which is getting down every year.

  • Anyone suggest quality of Trina panels over these and will prefer Fronious inverter. It comes down to $4100 installed.
    How to check for a company's fitting standard?

    • +1

      Check out the link I have posted below.

      As for Trina scroll down on this page - https://www.solarquotes.com.au/solar101.html#entry-1 you can see Trina are entry level but a reputable supplier. I've got Trina's on mine there's a stack of them in Australia and are considered good quality.

      Fronius make top inverters I love their solar monitoring app and info too!

      • +1

        yes. I have checked review and they are entry level like Jinko. Trina and Jinko are brands mostly many suppliers are using.

  • anyone know do they have this promotion in qld brisbane, i contacted but nobody replied

  • Block-quote Please call and speak to Dav at 02 8711 6352 and quote 'Huawei Canadian Package'

    Huawei CFO was arrested in Canada. I wonder what this package REALY involves.

  • So here's some reviews on Solar Power Nation that I'd trust from a reputable solar advice page - https://www.solarquotes.com.au/installer-review/solar-power-…

    Great site for research, general info and then you can search for installers in your area and see how they rate.

  • +1

    Any deals in Victoria , Melbourne . Currently looking to get solar. With the government rebate

  • +3

    I suggest that the buyers must educate themselves on the key aspects of the system that they are purchasing. I am sure people in this forums and other forum referenced above can help. For example categorize and rank hardware ( inverter / panels) by type and quality such (Grade A B C D) in order to make it easy to compare apples with apples and analyze quotes in a scientific manner. Then make effort to understand the best practice (gold standard) in installation and the the recommended certifications over and beyond any legal requirement for installers. Get the installer's name and license details so that if there are any defects you can complain to the licensing body. Try to understand what key areas needs to be checked during the installation process. Get a third party accredited inspector if you need more assurance.

    If need to pay 50% more to get a Grade A equipment, installed by an fully accredited installer according to industry best practice then so be it pay 50% more. However, the reverse will be a pipe dream; that is paying 50% more in order to purchase from a reputed company would not guarantee the above.

    My relative has been servicing his car under the capped service program at the authorized dealership for 3.5 years and the dealership has not replaced the $20 cabin air filter during that period and the car had a 4 year old cabin air filter with almost 10 mm dust on it. The bottom line is paying a premium and going to large reputed company in business for 20 or 20 years DOES NOT WORK.

    Keep in mind it might be still possible to get good value for your money but you must educate yourself.

    Reputable company today might not be the same in the future as financial position, policies and service quality can definitely change over time especially in the 3-5-8 years horizon. Hence I would be hesitant to pay a huge price premium for future warranty. Similar to the extended warranty provided by reputed authorized automobile dealers You would take if if it was offered free but wouldn't pay a lot to purchase because they have so many conditions to minimise claims.

  • +11

    I thought I might add my 2 cents worth into the chat - I'll preface my comments with I am not associated with any Solar/Electrical company but have been looking at getting solar for the past 2yrs and finally went ahead in May of this year. I was originally looking for a 10kw system (12.8kw of panels) and hoping to get under 10k in price. I am also located in QLD.

    I researched hard into 'value for money' rather than just getting the cheapest or even the most expensive. Both ends of the scale are not best value for money from my experience. I really like this review on panels and inverters which updates regularly.

    After acquiring several quotes I quickly realised that the most efficient panels (LG, Sunpower, REC etc) was at least double in price compared to your Trina, Longi or Risen branded panels. I couldn't accept that a lesser quality panel to be about 19% efficient compared to the top of the range panel 22% efficient as being 'value for money' when it is double the price. About 18months ago the Canadian Solar, Seraphim and the like were hot on the market but still going to cost me about 12k in price with a Fronius 10kw inverter. That was good buying at the time but couldn't find the money to go ahead.

    Over the next 12 months up until earlier this year the prices started dropping dramatically and the quality and capacity of panels started to increase. I eventually had quotes from reputable companies for a 10kw system under $10,000 in fact, just after Christmas, was offered a new year special of $7999! I really wanted to go ahead but still needed a few months of saving to do it. In the mean time I thought I might look at a 15kw system (19.9kw panels) as you can have 5kw per phase sent back to the grid. I have 3 phase power at home.

    I had narrowed it down to 3 companies to choose from and I knew exactly what I wanted so it made it easier for me to explain to the sales staff what I wanted right down to the materials they used for installation. The following were my requirements:
    * 15kw Fronius 3phase inverter
    * Trina, Longi or Risen mono-perc 300w-320w panels (that equated to 19.5kw to 19.9kw total)
    * Fronius Smart Meter installed in my electrical box
    * Clenergy/Titan materials used for installation and specific thicker gauge wiring.

    I was quoted a couple times with these specific requirements and even looked into the current QLD government loan schemes that allowed customers to borrow up $4,500 interest free for a solar system package. There were some strict requirements to qualify including going with an approved supplier so had to get some quotes from them to find the best deal. Unfortunately I didn't qualify and it came down to the fact my bill wasn't high enough (they required you to have a bill of $2000+ per year over the last 2 years and mine was only $1800 per year) so was rejected!

    Ultimately this is the price I got it down to for this package on a low set house with Colourbond roof:

    • 15kw Fronius 3phase inverter (installed inside my garage)
    • JA Solar P-type Mono Half Cut (JAM60SO3) 320w x 62 = 19.9kw panels
    • Fronius Smart Meter installed in my electrical box
    • Clenergy/Titan materials used for installation and specific thicker gauge wiring.

    $10,380 Fully installed. - I signed the contract mid April and had everything approved and installed by mid May. I have already had days EVEN in winter where I have generated 105kw in a day and only had to purchase from the grid approximately 8kw per day.

    Furthermore I have a spreadsheet that determines the best electricity company to go with which gives the exact amount I would need to pay or receive in credit. Because my system is above 10kw AGL wouldn't sign me up on their 20c FIT plan. So the next best was Energy Australia with their 16.1c FIT No Frills plan. Currently predicted to make back in credit approximately $3800 per year and have no more power bill which is an extra $1800 back in my pocket. So total about $5500 savings back into my pocket with my system paid off fully within two years and a passive income after that!

    Needless to say I am very happy!

    • +2

      Thank you for providing a detailed process.

      • +1

        No worries at all - I should have put in my comments that it wasn't through this company, Solarpowernation, just in case ppl were wondering. Happy to send details and information to anyone that might be interested and see if they service your area (They are recognised in most states of the country). Also happy to help anyone that would like to know if they could be getting a better deal with their electricity company.

        • Great comment and insight.

          Would love to see your spreadsheet to calculate which plans are the best.

          • @impoze: Thanks - I've just seen your PM so I'll respond there for you.

    • +1

      @CrocDundee

      This was the type of analysis I had in mind. Thank you for sharing your unbiased logical analysis.

      • No worries at all, utsc! Happy to help in any way.

        • +1

          PM sent. Excellent analysis.

    • +1

      "After acquiring several quotes I quickly realised that the most efficient panels (LG, Sunpower, REC etc) was at least double in price compared to your Trina, Longi or Risen branded panels. I couldn't accept that a lesser quality panel to be about 19% efficient compared to the top of the range panel 22% efficient as being 'value for money' when it is double the price."

      I think it's worth pointing out that the LG, Sunpower and REC offer 25 years warranty on their panels and the cheaper Trina, Longi and Risen offer 10-12 years warranty, you aren't just paying for greater efficiency. As to if that is value for money depends on the individual, if it was your forever home it might be but if you can't see yourself there in 15 years then the cheaper panels make more sense.

      • Yeah you're right about warranties. The better quality panels have a good long warranty but I was happy with what was offered. It wasn't the main determining factor for me when deciding but I was quoted, and took up a 25yr performance warranty on my panels. Others might find this important.

        • Yeah the performance warranty seems a bit of a gimmick imo, you need to be able to prove the panel degradation has occurred faster than the panel specifications state. This is pretty difficult to prove, plenty of fine print to get out of it.

          • +1

            @donkcat: Yeah completely agree! As mentioned, wasn't something I was really concerned about. Just wanted to make sure I was going with a reputable brand and based on reviews, quality panels.

            • @CrocDundee: Mate you got a great deal, I'd be really happy with your setup.

              • +2

                @donkcat: Thanks! Yeah I am very happy! I purposely had my house built with solar in mind (my roof faces North) with no trees or other objects shading my roof. For anyone wanting to see how it looks here is a drone shot of my Roof

      • You make a very good point but the question based on cost benefit analysis how much premium (25% vs 100%) would justify the benefits of the high efficiency panels with 25 years warranty.

        If the price premium is 25% then I would buy the high quality panels.

        However if the premium is closer to 100% then you might be better off to invest the extra 100% premium that you would pay now and then install a newer better system after 10 years. I would assume in 10 years the efficiency and quality of the cheaper panels would have improved significantly panels while the price would have dropped.

        Also claiming warranty for solar panels is usually a very complicated process. Your installer has to be still in business say in 15 or 20 year and honour the labour warranty because most panel manufacturers would require you to remove the panel, TEST the panel and ship it back to the manufacturer and then install it back.

        • My thought process as well, UTSC. I figured in 10-15yrs time I will have well and truly paid off my system and had easily made enough money to upgrade to whatever is out in 10yrs time if I was unhappy with my systems performance.

          Ultimately I looked at it as a worst case scenario plan. My family and I are settled here and won't be planning to move for at least 15yrs time (when our kids have graduated from school and it's time to downsize). 15 x approximately $4,500 = $67,500 total return after 15yrs (remembering worst case here, it is highly likely the first 5-10yrs I should be getting $5,500 back in my pocket per year).. I plan to put away a certain amount per year so when the time comes to upgrade, we can. Or if we plan to move and need to install solar that becomes an option too.

          If your house is orientated well enough with little to no shading and enough roof space, it is well worth looking at getting a 10-15kw solar system over the standard 5kw systems being offered atm.

        • Yeah there is a lot to add up, I don't think there is a simple answer. The STC price is being phased out every year until it is finally phased out in 2031, that's worth about $4000 to the price of the 6.6kw system in the OP. Solar prices have been coming down but the Chinese government provide massive subsidies to the solar industry where most these cheap panels are made and they want to cut these subsudies which will most likely lead to panel prices going up.

          Warranty is a tricky one but keep in mind providing the manufacturer of your panels has an Australian office it doesn't matter if your installer goes bust, your warranty will be honored. Where it can come unstuck though is if they deem that the panels were roughly handled during installation and have caused micro cracks that have lead to panel failure many years later.

          All in all these systems have a pack back time of 3-5 years these days, so if they last 10 then they have well and truly paid for themselves and you replacing at 10 years isn't a big deal.

          • @donkcat: Re warranty, some only provide parts as opposed to parts and labour warranty

            Big diff in terms of that end cost for a warrant issue.

            • @SBOB: That's crazy if they only warrant parts. I guess the installation warranty is what you'd consider as vital. Mine came with a 10yr Workmanship warranty including the rails and mounting system.

              • @CrocDundee: Only helps if your installation company is in business in 10 years time.
                As a CEC member, every install has to offer something in the 5-10 year warranty like you've mentioned

                none of that relates to the hardware warranties (panel, inverter), its just warrantying the 'quality' if the install and any faults like mountings breaking or cabling issues.

                The solar panel manufacturer won't care about that 'warranty' nor the inverter manufacturer (depending what may be faulty)

            • @SBOB: I think all the 25 year warranty providers cover labor, could be wrong though

              • @donkcat: The premium ones like lg, sunpower, winaico etc do

                Most others do not cover the labour(eg Canadian Solar, Trina, etc etc), so if your installer is gone (or wont come to the party) then you'll be up for $ to investigate and reinstall

    • +1

      Excellent payback period of 2 years wow! Currently my payback period for 6.5kW of panels with 5kW inverter will be 3 years which I'm happy about!

      • Anything under 5yrs payback is great! With the FIT and competition out there now, most people should be able to work it so their system is paid back well within 5yrs though.

    • Did you consider the Huawei inverters at all? I was initially going for Fronius and then was recommended the Huawei because they are quieter, nicer looking, and more battery-ready for when the time comes. I'm currently leaning towards the Huawei…

      • I considered a few different inverters but came to the decision that Fronius' reputation and Austrian build was far superior than the other options I was looking at, including Huawei. Don't get me wrong, most companies are now putting out better quality inverters but I decided the Austrian built Fronius was going to be better than the Chinese built Huawei. Just a personal choice tbh.

        Here are some non-biased reviews of both the Huawei and Fronius inverters. They have since been updated from when I was originally looking but at the time, Huawei had a long way to go to be competitive in build quality and performance. Looks like they are improving though which is great for competition!

        • "Clenergy/Titan materials used for installation and specific thicker gauge wiring"
          Quotes I asked from installers didnt provide any information about the materials they use for installation.
          Is it something I should ask ? for a 5kw system, do we still need thicker gauge wiring?

          • +2

            @EnALup: Im assuming they specified the thicker gauge cabling for the AC run between inverter and switchboard, as thats the common point where losses are incurred

            This will depend entirely on the run distance between inverter and switchboard
            If they are next to each other, no point
            if they are 10m+ apart, then definitely something required, but also something a quality installer will do anyway as this voltage drop is lost productivity/efficiency and also puts the inverter closer to clipping/shutdown due to over voltage

            (i use to know the rough % drops per metre but cant remember)
            Either way you ideally want to be aiming for less than 1% loss from cabling (once again, quality installer this isnt an issue, facebook/spam marketing/cheap-as-chips special, unlikely to be budgeted for)

          • +1

            @EnALup: Exactly what SBOB said, Gaggy. Although my Inverter wasn't that far from the switchboard (less than a meter as my inverter inside my garage backed onto the same wall the switchboard was located outside) so didn't really need it.

  • -6

    I would recommend people to not get Solar at all
    Wait until the technology gets cheap enough

    You are better off upgrading all your light bulbs to LEDs

    • +2

      Even if you use only 10% of the energy coming out of this system and you get 11 cents for the rest of it, which is what alot of places in NSW are currently offering.

      Then your looking at ~1300kWh/kWp which is pretty standard performance in NSW.

      This system is 6.6kW, so 8580 kWh / year for the first year.

      If your electricity rate is 28 cents, and a 11 cent feed in. Using 10% (which is really bad).

      Then the value of the electricity is about 12.7 cents per kWh.

      The system made you $1086.70 in the first year, with a price of $3100 you are paying back in less than 3 years.

      Thats without even using the energy yourself…

  • Is it worth it to get solar, if I'm paying $150 average a quarter for electricity.

    • +1

      If you want to message me your address i can have a look at your roof and give you a reccomendation, depending on where you live there might still be some value if you can get a decent Feed in Tariff.

      • Can you turn PMs on, interested in this as well.

        Thanks

        • +1

          Didn't realise it was off by default, turned it on now.

    • My quarterly bills were about $360 - The way I saw it was buy a bigger system and let it generate a passive income for you.

    • $150 including supply charges? What is that in kWh/day?

  • I installed a Solar System in year 2011 and has premium feed-in tariffs. However the size of the system is very small. It's only 1.5 KW. (my roof space is not that big to have that many panels) Therefore I still have to pay part of my electricity bill from past couple of years. Regardless of me trying to reduce the usage every year the bill keeps going up with the price hikes.

    Is it possible to upgrade my system and add more panels. Would that change the eligibility for premium feed-in tariffs which I will have for another 4 years otherwise.

    • You lose the premium feed in tariff, if you alter the system. For people with big roofs one solution was to simply install another system side by side with the one with the premium feed in tariff.

  • Hey guys, for those who have the huawei inverter and smart power sensor, would you please share you experiences? Especially around the monitoring function

  • At this price they're cutting corners you don't want cut on the roof of your house.
    These Budget Companies are in a price war and there lucky if they are just breaking even, or just there just running up accounts from the suppliers till they go belly up.
    Read the solar quote reviews, the problem is the Solar Company's Target people they done good installs for not the shit installs so bad reviews are just the tip of the iceberg, if you don't believe it you deserve what you get.

  • Hey OP, does this out of pocket cost include the rebates, if so , what rebates are they? I’m from VIC and apparently there’s two rebates over here plus an interest free loan from the govt,

    • That price would include STC's (government rebate) which would account for about half of the total cost.

  • I arranged a solar power nation install at my parents place in regional NSW - Can't complain for the price. Install is fine. The only issue would be the top entry to the isolaters on the wall but I've seen a bunch of those with local installers that charge more than double. I did get the cheapest and nastiest panels as the roof does not have ideal angles - pannels are on southeast and north west, but there are some shade issues late in the afternoon on the north west side. Figured it wasn't worth paying more when conditions weren't ideal.

    Hopefully it doesn't break!

  • Would like to know the OP's affiliation with this company. OP's comments are a little too biased in my opinion.

    • I can confirm that I have no affiliation with this company and only shared the BARGAIN with OZB community for people to benefit from price perspective. I do understand the OZB community has shared their experiences with this company however my experience with them so far has been great. If another solar provider (your preferred supplier) can match the price mentioned here, then it will be a win win situation for OZB members :D

  • Has anyone done an install with Origin? Been reading a couple of reviews and they seem pretty woeful but I do like their FITs and their payment plans.

    • I looked into getting my Solar through Origin. Yes - the bad reviews didn't help but you'll get that from any company. Having said that, they were far too expensive to get my solar installed through them compared to other retailers and Energy Australia's 16.1 FIT for my 15kw system was good enough. If you are getting a 10kw system or less then AGL's 20c FIT is the way to go! And you get to chose your choice of installer.

      • 15kw. You must have a lot of roof space!

        I just got a quote from Origin this afternoon.

        6.6Kw system (Fronius Inverter and 21 Trina panels) for $11468.

        So after the rebates (STC and Victorian government rebate), my cost will be approximately $5945.

        FIT will be 15c where as a few days ago it was 27c!

        Do you think this is a good deal?

        • seems pretty expensive, and that FIT is available (or better) without buying through Origin

          look up quality installers in your area and you'll likely get better gear (ie panels) for the same end result

          • @SBOB: I also thought it was a bit pricey however they're a big company so if anything should go wrong then they will probably still be there. That's what I was weighing.

            • @lightcn: buy quality gear, like LG panels, and this becomes less of an issue (and you have a better system in the end)

              Origin just uses third party, cheapest subcontractor level installers
              I'd rather a system from a company/installer that is well reviewed

              check out solarquotes for the companies that cover your area, plenty of well established solar companies that arent going anywhere soon

              • @SBOB: Cheers mate for your help!

        • +1

          I agree with what SBOB said. That is pretty pricey for a 6.6kw system. Yeah I have a 400m2 house with the roof specifically designed for solar. I fit 62 panels on my north facing side of the house.

          personally, I wouldn't go through Origin just from a price point of view. Their 15c FIT although good with their current prices, Energy Australia offer 16.1c.

          You'll get a better solar deal through another solar company. Origin quoted me for a 10kw system about 12k in price. Other companies for the exact same inverter, panels and equipment were 7k-8k in price.

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