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[NSW] 6.6kW Solar System: Huawei 5kW Hybrid Inverter and 20 Canadian Solar Hiku 330W Panels $3100 Installed @ Solar Power Nation

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[NSW] 6.6kW Solar System: Huawei 5kW Hybrid Inverter and 20 Canadian Solar Hiku 330W Panels $3100 Installed @ Solar Power Nation
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Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 14:13 solarpowernation.com.au (3676 clicks)
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I was able to negotiate on a 6.6kW Solar System - Huawei SUN2000L 5KW Hybrid Inverter and 20 x Canadian Solar Hiku 330W Panels fully installed for $3100 out of pocket supplied and installed by Solar Power Nation in NSW (Single Storey, Metro Install)

Wanted to share it across with the OZB community

The deal sweeteners are below -

Cost - $3100 fully installed with excellent workmanship
Inverter - Huawei SUN2000L Hybrid Inverter (Battery Ready) and plug in compatible with LG Chem battery at no extra installation cost later
Panels - Premium Canadian Solar 330 split cell panes released in April 2019 with the latest technology

Please call and speak to Dav at 02 8711 6352 and quote 'Huawei Canadian Package'

Lowest I got quoted for this package was $4000+ elsewhere !

Note - According to my research, a $4800 rebate will be launched end of 2019 on batteries nationally !

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  • fajman on 01/07/2019 - 14:15

    What batteries are you getting?

    • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 14:16
      +1

      I plan to get the LG Chem Battery at some stage after rebate has been announced !
      LG Chem RESU 7H to be exact

      • otter-raptor on 01/07/2019 - 14:21

        Hey mate ,do you know when is the rebate expected to be coming around, I'm waiting for the same to pull the trigger too

  • jesseboy89 on 01/07/2019 - 14:19
    +1

    Do they only service nsw? Or do they also operate in other markets like ACT/Canberra

    • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 14:21

      I think they service nationally, best to call and ask.

    • Muneerca on 01/07/2019 - 16:51
      +2

      Did you call to check if they service in canberra..

    • Ozkaays on 02/07/2019 - 21:51

      have a look on their website they service all of australia i think. well i check for Victoria and they do it .

  • Bellpop on 01/07/2019 - 14:25

    Great info. Thanks for sharing :)

  • leTintin on 01/07/2019 - 14:28
    -1

    AKA as a 5KW system as that's the most you will produce.

    • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 14:30
      +5

      Yes understand that but my understanding is panels are not always working at full efficiency so 135% of panels are required to run optimal 5kw system as per Australian weather conditions.

      • Manny Calavera on 01/07/2019 - 14:34
        +3

        You mean 133% to maintain eligibility for STCs.

        • kehuehue on 01/07/2019 - 14:36

          Gotta claim that sweet ass monehs

        • norkle on 03/07/2019 - 22:04

          Yep, this.

          What the comments below don't take into account, is that the STC's (credits) is measured on the panels, not the inverter. So installers max the panels, as that actually provides the best value.

      • ozblocd on 01/07/2019 - 14:36

        It IS a "5kW SYSTEM"!

      • Enjj0y on 01/07/2019 - 14:50
        +1

        Depends where it is installed. We have half on East side & half on West side it is generating 3-4kwh being 6.6kw & 5k inverter.

    • ozblocd on 01/07/2019 - 14:34
      -8

      Exactly! It's just a matter of time till the ACCC fines these companies for such misleading info.

      • bleemo on 01/07/2019 - 14:37
        +4

        As above, you want to max out the number of panels on your roof up to 133% of your inverter capacity. This maximises efficiency, while making the most use of the rebates available. Everyone sells as a 6.6kW system, as long as your roof can accommodate all of the panels.

      • OzBrogains on 01/07/2019 - 14:53
        -1

        "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt" - Abraham Lincoln

        • UncleRico on 01/07/2019 - 16:16

          Abe said that?

          I always thought it was Tupac!

          Or Helen Keller…

      • norkle on 03/07/2019 - 22:02

        Strictly it's 6.6kW PV, with 5kW inverter.

        But it's commonly described as a 6.6kW system. May not be correct, but from what I can tell, 90% off PV owners don't know the difference.

    • bleemo on 01/07/2019 - 14:44
      +4

      Have a read of this link: https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/oversizing-solar-arrays/

      Discusses why 'extra' panels are recommended.

    • Barry Gnome on 01/07/2019 - 16:23
      +4

      It's over clocking. The system will ramp up to 5KW production faster and longer. Its worth it.

    • jason andrade on 01/07/2019 - 19:06

      We installed a 7.5kW system (rated by panel) and peak power generation is around 6.8-6.9kW - actual (with a rated max of 7.05kW..)

      I realise our engineering is going to be different but just saying that depending on what you do it doesn't have to be that much of a drop..

  • superboring on 01/07/2019 - 14:34
    +2

    Hey just wondering if you could link to where you read about rumours of the national rebate?

  • Fuzzyduck on 01/07/2019 - 14:38

    How do these panel hold up ?
    Caution should be applied

    • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 14:41
      +2

      Look up how long Canadian Solar has been in business for.

    • moar bargains on 01/07/2019 - 19:27
      +1

      The panels are almost certain not to be the problem in any early system faults. It's far more likely to be the inverter.

      • Olli on 01/07/2019 - 21:10

        Than you haven't seen the shit a lot of people get onto their roofs, and that's not taking shitty installations into account.

        • moar bargains on 02/07/2019 - 07:04

          I was specifically referring to these advertised Canadian panels. I'm fully aware that there are plenty of rubbish panel brands. And rubbish installations I guess. But assuming proper installation of the advertised system, my comment stands.

  • prisonmike on 01/07/2019 - 15:06

    Is this price after the solar rebate or before?

  • donkcat on 01/07/2019 - 15:13
    +11

    I would recommend those interested in this deal to have a read of https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/98kzlxv3 on these guys

    • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 15:23

      Interesting !
      Well my experience with them has been excellent, from signup to installation it took 5 days and their installers showed up on Sat to install and completed it on the day… Happy to share photos of the work they did at my place for quality / comments !

      However I highly recommend to avoid the cheap systems floating around in market such as K Star / Growatt etc which every other company including Solar Power Nation advertise… I did my own research and decided to buy the specific Huawei Inverter and Canadian Solar Panels.

      https://solar.huawei.com/eu/Residential
      https://solar.huawei.com/en-GB/download?p=%2F-%2Fmedia%2FSol…
      https://www.canadiansolar.com/upload/9ba8cee65e2d6ec7/386848…
      https://www.infiniteenergy.com.au/new-release-canadian-330w-…

      • donkcat on 01/07/2019 - 15:30
        +1

        It's great the install went well for you, and it's not all negative in that thread but I think people need to know there are some horror stories with this company. Out of curiosity did you check to make sure the panels that are installed are what was stated on the contract?

        • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 15:34

          Yes definitely I did. Before they even unloaded their van, i checked to make sure everything was as stated in the contract.

        • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 15:36
          +1

          I basically added in my contract an additional clause on installation delay and stated a deadline of 4 weeks :)
          No install in 4 weeks would mean full refund of the deposit and contract void, but the turnaround was quick to my surprise !

          • donkcat on 01/07/2019 - 15:50
            +2

            @Umar511986: That's interesting they were accommodating to those terms. No issues with the parts chosen, my concern would be about the workmanship given clearly subbies are paid bugger all at these prices and that the companies after sales support.

            • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 16:03

              @donkcat: Trust me I was more worried than you can imagine and was standing on the ladder supervising the install and Was surprised by the workmaanship and equipment they used.

            • GregMonarch on 01/07/2019 - 20:09

              @donkcat: No skin off their nose… They just delayed someone else's install by a week, LOL.

      • pathacks on 01/07/2019 - 15:47
        +2

        It goes beyond how well it went at install though. It's definitely a case of buyer beware with smaller installers, and it's notoriously easy for these companies to go bust before your warranty ends. There's a reason why people pay more to go with larger installers that they know will be around for years to come, like CSR, Origin Energy etc.

        Just something to keep in mind when doing the cost benefit analysis of course.

        And for what it's worth, Origin, for example, offers a special feed-in rate for customers who installed solar through them, so for some customers, it may end up saving them more money in the first few years of ownership.

        TLDR: YMMV and do your own research, not only for installers, but for energy plans that suit your household's consumption patterns.

        • ozyboy84 on 01/07/2019 - 16:53
          +1

          Spot on with your comments. I have no issues with the good operators out there and there are some smaller good players. I manage the sales team at CSR and the best peace of mind we can give you is that we will be there is something goes wrong.

          Most of these shonky facebook companies that work out of a shipping container will be gone by the time your system fails.

      • jazzk on 01/07/2019 - 19:40

        Good morning. Its 2019 and its the age of Mono Panels. You can easily get Panels made up of Mono cells in this budget too. Poly Panels are now history.

    • jaybee2019 on 01/07/2019 - 15:27
      +2

      I also had a very bad experience with them, My friend is still waiting for refund from at least six months.

      • tukulzz on 01/07/2019 - 15:30

        Yep same experience here

      • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 15:32

        Their reviews online suggested otherwise
        https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/solar-power-nation

        It will be helpful if you can please share what exactly happened from your experience?

        • donkcat on 01/07/2019 - 15:59
          +7

          Some of these reviews appear bought imo

          "I would like to commend Solar Power Nation on the recent solar installation at my home. Sam provided me with no nonsense advice, prompt & clear documentation and a very fair price which is still the best deal around. The installation crew were a pleasure to deal with & the product quality appears to be of a high standard. Hopefully no warranty claims down the track, but I am confident if there is I will be looked after. The service to date and follow up calls after installation have been appreciated.
          As an engineer I had a keen interest in the technical aspects of the installation as well as the quality of the products & installation workmanship. I can report all is satisfactory. The whole experience was completely painless and all the staff were a pleasure to deal with."

          Lots of 1st time 5 star reviewers

          • SBOB on 01/07/2019 - 16:08
            +6

            @donkcat: considering the near identical review is on 'Clean Power Co' website i'd say you're right ;)
            someones being dodgy, not sure which side (or both)

            https://www.cleanpowerco.com.au/testimonials/
            "FRANK TOORADIN, VIC"

            I would like to commend clean power co on the recent solar installation at my home. Sam provided me with no nonsense advice, prompt & clear documentation and a very fair price. The installation crew Cam and Elliot were a pleasure to deal with & the product quality appears to be of a high standard. Hopefully no warranty claims down the track, but I am confident if there is I will be looked after. The service to date and follow up calls after installation have been appreciated.
            As a retired sparky I had a keen interest in the technical aspects of the installation as well as the quality of the products & installation workmanship. I can report all is satisfactory. The whole experience was completely painless and all the staff were a pleasure to deal with.

          • entropysbane on 01/07/2019 - 17:34
            -1

            @donkcat: Not saying you aren’t right about them being bought or not 1(definitely smells like it though) , but for this kind of thing wouldn’t they mostly be first time reviewers? At least you would hope so.

        • DesiredUsername on 01/07/2019 - 16:20
          +2

          https://www.solarquotes.com.au/installer-review/solar-power-…

          Checking the last 6 months they appear to have as many 1 star as 4/5 star reviews so ymmv.

  • adgnetworks on 01/07/2019 - 15:47

    What if you want a 3phase inverter?

    • resisting the urge on 01/07/2019 - 16:07

      Just ask for an upgrade, they will offer you Fronius, amongst larger Huaweis

    • Major Mess on 01/07/2019 - 17:21
      +3

      You buy it.

  • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 15:51
    +2

    http://imgur.com/a/tend4bh
    Photos of the install if anyone is interested !

    • SBOB on 01/07/2019 - 16:01
      +2

      is that top row overhanging the ridge on your roof?
      thats not a sign of a good install

      also, based on that first pic, the panels are mounted outside the clamp zone and therefore your warranty may be invalid (pg16, depending on wind load area, bit hard to tell from that image without measuring, top row likely a definite if its overhanging ride cap)
      https://www.solar-electric.com/lib/wind-sun/Canadian_Solar_I…

      • Spizz on 01/07/2019 - 16:02
        +2

        Also will the pipe in front cast a shadow onto the panels?

        • DesiredUsername on 01/07/2019 - 16:12

          Doesn't appear to be shading based on the photo, and its the middle of winter so doesn't look like the shading from it would be an issue.

        • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 16:13

          That was picked up by the installer and he shortened the pipe :)

      • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 16:12

        Nopes its not, the top row isn’t installed as yet in the photos.

        • SBOB on 01/07/2019 - 16:15
          +1

          well im sure others would be happy to see the finalised install pics

          • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 16:17

            @SBOB: I will get those over the next couple of days in sunlight.

    • SBOB on 01/07/2019 - 16:14
      +3

      I also especially love their WH&S equipment, such as harnesses or fall arrest anchors ;)

      • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 16:16

        ;) LOL true that man…

      • hoxygt on 01/07/2019 - 18:11
        +1

        Not required on a single.

        • SBOB on 01/07/2019 - 18:45
          +1

          Pretty sure if is, but it depends on what you classify as 'mostly flat' and minor roof tasks

          https://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/system/files/documents/…

          Pretty sure if you're an installation company and one of your workers was injured falling from a single story normal pitched tile roof during a full solar system install, that the use of (at a minimum) a harness and fall arrestor would be considered a reasonably practicable safety implementation, and that not using one was in line with Safework Australia standards

        • DesiredUsername on 01/07/2019 - 22:44
          +2

          In NSW you are working at heights whenever there is a reasonable chance that a fall could cause harm to person or persons. So they should be wearing harness'

    • jazzk on 01/07/2019 - 19:53

      I think the DC Isolators between the Inverter and meter box are useless.Unnecessary accommodation of DC Isolators increases chances of fire. This model of inverter already house load break dis-connector circuits / isolator which is compliant to Australian standards. The inverter with very old design like suntellite and such needs this kind of setup. This is a sign of poor unqualified/untrained installers and installation.

      • Steptoe on 21/07/2019 - 19:52

        Wouldn’t they be working off an approved design?

    • RubenM on 01/07/2019 - 20:25
      +1

      Thanks for that.
      Unfortunately two things aren't great. The DC isolator has a top entry, which does not comply with CEC rules.
      The second on is that it looks like the panels might be attached outside the clamping zone, voiding their warranty.
      Did you receive a CCEW?

      • Umar511986 on 03/07/2019 - 10:07

        Thanks a lot for your feedback and the issues pointed out. I have since requested them to come out and rectify the 2 points mentioned in your comment as well as provide CCEW for the work done at my property

        This is why I love OZB community :D :D :D

  • Ryanek on 01/07/2019 - 16:02

    I'm not familiar with those panels. Can anyone comment on how good they are?

    • DesiredUsername on 01/07/2019 - 16:18

      Canadian Solar are alright, pretty stock standard.

      These facebook mobs are honestly quite 50/50, you might have a good experience or you might have a nightmare.

  • laser on 01/07/2019 - 16:05
    -2

    Does it have Google play store?

  • illuSion on 01/07/2019 - 16:06

    I thought huawei makes phones. lol

    • resisting the urge on 01/07/2019 - 16:16

      They 'make' many 'things', everyone in Asia is doing inverters these days

  • CharcoaI on 01/07/2019 - 16:21
    +5

    This Huawei inverter does not support EPS in conjunction with LG Chem batteries (Huawei acknowledge this oversight and are working on an 'add on box' to fix this). I can't find any info on how this inverter works with the Tesla Powerwall 2, but I imagine it'd be the same story.

    Translation: If you add a battery to your package (now or later), you won't receive power from it during a blackout (unless you buy another add on unit).

    • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 16:53

      Power during blackout wasn't a concern for myself.
      Maybe because I haven't yet experienced a power outage in Sydney for the 12+ years I've lived here.

    • mps41 on 01/07/2019 - 21:26

      Lots of detailed info here about the inverter and yes it mentions EPS and blackout protection lacking, but also many good points: https://mcelectrical.com.au/blog/huawei-inverter-review/.

      One other thing they mention in that review is current LG Chen batteries limit the voltage to 500V and depending on the panels you get and the setup you may well be over that limit and not able to plug in the battery as is. It sounds like a 600V battery is on the cards for later to solve that limitation.

  • [Deactivated] on 01/07/2019 - 16:33
    +10

    Stay away from these mongrels, me and many of freinds paid deposit to get solar system installed about 6 months back. They took our deposit and never heard from them. They kept delaying the installation well beyond 3 months. Finally to be told that solar panels are no longer and I have to change to. Another system with new quote. Wanted my money back, had to write cancellation letter and fill up a form and took me another month to get my deposit. Same story with my freinds who signed up alongside me. They probably have a single mobile phone and a single chair in tent as a call centre. Stay away from these mob.

    • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 17:06
      -6

      Was that the $100 deposit ?

      • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 17:18
        -8

        Indeed :)

      • GregMonarch on 01/07/2019 - 20:28
        +7

        Not sure why, unless we're going to demand validation that positive votes are only from people who buy deals too. I'd rather hear any negatives - it gives a potential buyer who has no idea where they could be cheated, some idea what to avoid. And if he's had a negative experience, why not click the neg?

        Personally I don't pay more than very nominal deposits anyway. They either get paid when I receive the product (like every other retailer manages to) or I go elsewhere. By demanding a deposit, they're either saying they can't trust me to pay, or, they're a company too small to keep stock on hand - and thus I'll suffer if THEIR suppliers muck THEM around - so they're too small to be trusted with the job in the first place.

      • [Deactivated] on 01/07/2019 - 20:41
        +3

        I got all the email interactions.

  • ozyboy84 on 01/07/2019 - 16:52
    +3

    Wow, probably wont of the worst companies you could choose. I am in the industry and while i have no issues with some operators on the market. these guys are shonks.

    • swampson on 01/07/2019 - 17:13
      +4

      From your experience (without it just being as response to them being a competitor, considering you're manager of the sales team at CSR) - can you provide some more info on this comment?
      Solar's a minefield for most consumers, esp considering the lack of regulation. I'm dead keen on pursuing it but am extremely confused by price, availabilty, figures, etc .. checked in to Solahart most recently.
      It's hard to really know which are the ones to trust, vs the ones who say you can trust them and then fark you over…

      Anyway - keen for more justified opinions and experience :)

      • ozyboy84 on 01/07/2019 - 17:33
        +6

        As ive mentioned in the above comments. I manage the sales team for one of the largest in the industry. Im not here to bad mouth a competitor. suggest you do your own research. A good starting point is "crap solar" on facebook. Then search the company name - you will enjoy reading the comments and doubt you would choose to deal with them.

        the comments are from real clients that have been screwed over by this company. And yes we have gone and installed batteries for some of their clients and the workmanship like a lot of smaller facebook companies was shocking.

        OP was luck and hopefully the workmanship was up to scratch but ive suggested to him in a message he gets a 3rd party CEC electrician to inspect the system for defects

        • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 17:43
          -8

          Pretty much every company Big or Small advertise on facebook… its a marketing platform !
          They do have their own website if you’re interested which I linked to as well.

          And yes, you’re bad mouthing a competitor mate, its fairly visible in your comments :)

        • swampson on 01/07/2019 - 18:01
          +2

          Thanks for replying - but it's hard to filter anecdotal from factual in situations like this. Additionally, to be fair, I can't say that your FB search suggestion gives me much solid confidence in this or that. You are right about own research, but the problem is that using that search suggestion as a basis for educated decision making is a bit flimsy, I think - so much of personal opinion and unqualified review is uneducated or based on lack of understanding. No offence, I dont intend to suggest you're being misleading.. just hard to know WTF! :)

          Having said that though, can you direct me to some good material (that could be good for my own research) that offers good grounding for basis on CSR?

  • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 17:02
    -7

    Guys,

    I reckon we're getting into a lot of negative feedback from people who are unable to explain their experience with the company !

    If these guys took $100 deposit and didn't do the job then surely yes that's SHIT and you should get your refund back ASAP, however if you add a clause to your contract with timeline for installation it should not be an issue (this is exactly what I did).

    Please share lack of after sales support or bad installation / dodgy workmanship issues with this company !

    For the price they are offering this system @ is pretty competitive unless an INSTALLER / SOLAR COMPANY from OZB community can vouch to beat or match it :P

    • ozyboy84 on 01/07/2019 - 17:31
      +7

      And your last comment is the issue. While we all love a bargain here on the community. the best price should not be the best option when it comes to the safety of both your home and your family.

      Ive found that most of the time the cheapest systems are often the worst. Ive personally helped clients that have been screwed over by this company aswell as many others.

      Great to hear your experience was god however id strongly suggest you get a 3rd party accredited CEC electrician to inspect your system to check the workmanship. from personal experience there will be many shortcuts that would have been taken.

      • Umar511986 on 01/07/2019 - 17:40
        -3

        Well to be honest, your comment doesn’t make sense to me… being cheap and being dodgy are 2 different things. Let me put it this way, if other companies are charging me upwards of $4500 to install the same system that’s a rip off. Maybe you work for a similar company !
        However as @swampson suggested above, Solar industry is still quite far from stability and its really difficult to understand the levies and standards etc. I did the best I could in the most affordable price I could get it for… now if you’re from the industry maybe you’re pissed because you’re trying to rip people off installing similar systems for double the price :D
        If you have something better to offer and help here then please do, otherwise there’s no point negging my comments which are not directed towards you.
        By the way if you’re from the industry and have good reputation around, would you mind sharing the company name so we can lookup some reviews :D or can you help do an inspection in my system and dig out shortcuts taken ?

        • ozyboy84 on 01/07/2019 - 19:36
          +3

          Ive mentioned my company name in above posts. I work for CSR. We are the largest national supplier of solar and battery in Australia.

          With regards to inspecting your system, we are too busy you would be best engaging with a CEC accredited electrician not affiliated with the company whom installed your system . shouldn't cost you more than $150

          they can be found here: https://www.solaraccreditation.com.au/consumers/find-an-inst…

          Its good practice for peace of mind I encourage anyone thats has a system of ours installed they are welcome to have the inspection done and in the event a fault or defect is found ill happily pay them the costs for any such inspection. Im yet to have anyone claim that cost back.

          As i said you may be one of the lucky ones and if their sub contracted electrician has done a good job, thatch great. But history shows otherwise. Issues with scheduling, stock and install times are one thing and they are bound to happen with companies but when it comes to the quality of the workmanship that effects safety this is completely different. May I suggest you search "crap solar" on facebook. Then search the company you chose to install with. There are lots of personal reviews on their regarding the company you have chosen.

          There are plenty of good reputable companies i would personally use for my own house if i needed to. the company you mentioned is not one of them. Even if they offered it for free

          Good luck with your system

          • Umar511986 on 04/07/2019 - 15:05

            @ozyboy84: So I did a bit of research about CSR solar and found out that Bradford Solar is infact CSR owned… Let me tell you this much, you guys rip off your customers providing similar systems for almost DOUBLE or MORE. By calling yourself the LARGEST is a lie as well, do you have any backing or numbers to claim being the largest.

            Now coming to the quality of workmanship. Yes, offcourse if you will charge 2-4 times more of the industry standard charge for installing solar the work should be excellent. However reviews about Bradford Solar are also not that great and for the clever people who understand how you rip off in broad daylight actually mentioned this in reviews (just google Bradford Solar Reviews).

            Furthermore, in the last 2 days I actually went ahead and priced my system if I was to get all the equipment involved from my own pocket to understand how much it will cost and the REAL cost of solar -

            COST

            Inventory -
            - Huawei Inverter SUN2000L-5KTL = $1400 (Market Retail Price)
            - Canadian Solar HiKU Panels 330W = $3000 (Estimated)
            - Wiring + Isolators + Rails etc = $500 (Estimated)
            Total - $4900

            CHARGE

            STC - $4190 for NSW (Please correct me if I am wrong)
            Out of Pocket cost - $3100
            Total - $7290

            Therefore I would assume vendor will have $2390 to play around with. I am not sure how much does it cost in labour but I would assume some installers here would be able to tell how much do they like to charge for their 1 day labour !

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